allergies and intolerence

i found some conversations on other threads and thought some of you seemed to have great knowledge on food allergies.
was wondering if you had any theories on the causes of allergies to dairy and wheat?

i always thought it was farming methods. pesticides fertilisers refining etc
however i just read a knew theory that makes sense:

the World Health Organisation have declared that babies should start solids at 6 month of age- it used to be recommended at 4mnth.
4 month is now thought to be too soon as baby gut lining is not full developed and large protiens can get absorbed into the gut lining, where as at 6 months the got is lined with IgA so the larger protiens are not absorbed.


it has been suggested that the increase in allergies over recent years has been due to milk, dairy and wheat products having previously been reccommended as "first foods".
now suggested that wheat and dairy are not introduced till 1yr.



any thoughts on this by ax experts?

I wouldn't consider myself an expert but as I've had a food intolerance test (I'm intolerant to cows milk and yeast), I can comment on some of what you are asking. Firstly the difference between an allergy and an intolerance is that with an allergy the body reacts straight away (making allergies dangerous if airways close up) and an intolerance is a delayed reaction (so something you ate on monday may have triggered the migraine you had on tuesday). I know that a lot of people are intolerant to cow's milk (i.e. Dairy products). It could be due to the presence of lactose in the milk. If you think about it, milk is designed for infants, and we are the only species that still drink milk into & beyond adulthood. Also, we are the only species to drink the milk from another species (and cows have 4 stomachs!), so it's not surprising that most humans are intolerant to milk. I'd write more, but I need to dash to work. I hope this helps anyway

Stef

I don't know much about them either but I think eating well and good quality foods and balancing your body goes a long way. The opposite, I believe, can cause allergies.

On milk etc-many people with problems don't get them when they drink real, oragnic, unpasturised and unhomoginised (man messed with) milk. I should say that that means without the fat etc taken out too. Milk in its whole natural state.

3 months ago when I was a couch potato an eating rubbish, I could no longer eat peanuts, hazlenuts etc. or most fruits, especially strawberries and cherries as they virtually made my larynx close up and gave me a really bad reaction.

I could eat all of these 2 years ago when I was a lot more physically fitter and eating healthier.

Since starting back on the fitness trail only 1.5 months ago I can now eat all the above again without any problems.

So, to summarise, I am actual evidence that what Mark said is true!

well, basically, allergies are when your immune system goes up against something that should be harmless.
white blood cells protect against viruses parasites and bacteria, they recognise small parts on the invaders surface: antigens.

some things get recognised as dangerous when they are not; allergens.

the reaction varies depending on who many allergens are present, how many cells recognise it and who strong/fast the response is.

Allergy
there are 4 types of allergy loosely speaking as follows
type1: takes a day and gives you a mild headache and a pimple or two, most folk wouldnt even realise they had a reaction.
type2: takes about 12 hrs, gives you an ithcy skin rash then clears up
type3: can make you vomit and squirt within a few hours
type4: anaphalatic shock. full system shut down almost instantly, can kill.

although response time and severity is different, all allergy reactions involve the immune system at a cellular level.
memory cells are left to watch for re-invasion so taking the thing that made you ill again and again will only make you sicker.
you can not build up a tolerance to an allergy.

intolerance
is when your baody doesnt like something and kicks it out to be on the safe side.
intolerance does not actively involve the immune system on a cellular level and no memory cells get left on guard so you can develope a tolerance.

like chillies for example. alot of folk get ill eating chillies at first, but over time and dedicated practice the body will eventually realise that chillies are ok, infact quite good, and before you know it you carry round a bottle of encona hot sauce in your bag.


on the surface, it seems like allergy and intolerance are the same, cause both involve being ill when you take a reaction to someting you ate. but they are quite different.
said that though, most lay folk refer to any mild allergy (one that insnt anaphalactic shock) as intolerence.



ever increasing allergies
i always thought that it was farming processing and refining foods that caused the steady increase in allergies in the population.
for years i have been happy to blame farmers and politicians for making us eat crap to make them money, even though they know it's bad.
i didnt know why cultivating and refining caused reactions, but it seemed only fair to blame pesticides and fertilisers and all that.
so when i read it could be simply that we are weened at 4mnths not 6, it shocked me.
but it seems like a plausible simple and beleivable story.
mum gave me wheat 2 weeks too early now i'm allergic.
pants.
its all mums fault.
though i can blame the farmers and politcians for telling her it'd be ok!

i'm not sure that there is evidance to support the early weening = allergy theory, certainly what you say above doesnt fit.
must just be them dodgy farmers trying to shift the blame.

cows in poor health and thier milk fried (I mean pasteurized) is alot different than a healthy cows raw milk... The former leads to allergies i believe.

Dehydration also plays a role I believe (largely to do with histamine)-increase water intake

geneticallymodified stuff too...

food intollerances can be caused by leaky gut syndrome as well. One reason I am suppose to be rotating my foods right now. Haven't got that far yet. If you have leaky gut, every time a bit gets out your body develops antigens for it (going on memory here). Always eat the same stuff you can get a sensitivity to it.

Like oats for breaky everyday like I use to.

just posted some stuff on the colitis thread that I think is relevant.

leaky gut will lead to food sensitivities.

K, this is on allergies in general but there wasn't a thread, this ones been quiet and I didn't want to start another so...

"Allergies are not caused by pollens, house mites, dust and other allergens.

While it is true that these types of things trigger allergic symptoms, the underlying cause is a malfunctioning immune system. The allergen simply triggers an incorrect immune system response. When immunity goes wrong, the immune system identifies the harmless allergen and tries to kill it by triggering the allergic symptoms many of us are so familiar with -- runny noses, watery eyes, etc"



If thats true what does that say about our approach to them?

Instead of building the immune system and trying to normalize function we take drugs, which much of the time weaken the immune system.

Interesting the cycle that always seems to show.

So that would mean allergies are our body talking to us saying our immune system is down. What do we do? Go to doc. What does doc do? Give us a drug to cover up the symptoms. Never anything to restore health, improve the actual problem. Simple cover up will work... (now what are the side effects besides poisoning the body?)

Oops....hit the wrong button....

Well i'm no expert either, but all I can say is that while living in Australia I had no allergies or intolerances. After being in the UK now for almost 4 years I have developed an intolerance for wheat and dairy, overprocessed foods and it also seems I'm allergic to the grass and the trees.

I'm not sure exactly why or how, but i believe it has to do with increased pollution, increased stress and obviously a change of environement. I think all these factors together have made my body a lot more sensitive.

I grew up on bread and now if I eat 2 pieces of toast its like having CFS and I get bad headaches as well. Damn I miss toast!!!!

Oh yeah....and wish me luck because it seems like I'm staying here!!

:-)

Many whites and especially of UK decent have intollerances to wheat and dairy-especially the processed crap.

histamine is a huge factor in allergies. Also a huge factor in water regulation. Salt (good quality unprocessed sea salt) has a big cause too.

Don't try any drugs untill you check hydration (with a pinch of sea salt per liter)

Peta

Have you ever tried sprouted bread (mana), not quite the same but you might like it as a subsitute. Its a real whole food as well.

Maybe a bakery that makes better bread, not all breads are equal.

Mana and Ezikial (spel?) bread are great!

Sprouted and should be very low, if any, gluten.

I havent even heard of any of those breads...guess I'll have to Google them and find out...unless they are Canadian style only?!

Still waiting to find a specialised local bakery for options, im sure there will be one somewhere.

:-)

Pete,

I've got hold of sprouted breads in ASDA and TESCO so I guess most of the bigger supermarkets sell them over here although they are quite expensive and they only really do one type which you could quite easily miss if you blink!

Most of S'markets also stock other gluten free products although again slightly more expensive then usual and the range isn't massive. They are usually next to the equally massive!! organic products.

here is an extreamly well worded, simply put look at the issue. Now his methods of dealing with the underlying cause are one of many variations. My interest in posting the link is his lead up and understanding what the actual CAUSE is.

http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/allergies_reactivity.php

Make sure it is gluten free!!! (breads)

Sprouting doesn't remove the gluten. If you're gluten intolerant you are stuck forever with bread that has no texture and tastes like C***, sorry! If you are also intolerant of yeast it's even worse.
I miss bread too, and cake.
Milk - I can't drink cows' milk but I milk goats and can drink the goats' milk. Of course since it's not processed in any way it still contains all the good bacteria needed to help digest it. Plus a few other household germs that wander in along the way! Hey, I'm still alive!
Migraines - far fewer and less severe since I quit gluten, yeast and lactose. I was virtually disabled by them. Now, I'm not. It took a few months for the migraines to fade away though, but worth it.
Intolerance = leaky gut syndrome = food particles in your bloodstream = inflammation of blood vessels and "sticky" blood = blood vessels are constricted by inflammation, then dilate to counteract. The ones in the dura beneath your skull have nowhere much to expand = migraine.
The constriction causes the "aura" and neuro syndromes. The dilation causes the pain.
Intolerance also causes some pretty gross gut reactions. I'm quite happy to be without them, too!
And as a side effect? The weight drops off too, as you are freeing your body of the stress that makes it panic and grab hold of nutrients and store them "just in case".

no sprouting doesn't. -saw what I posted above, don't know where that came from, how old is it? lol

But some sprouted types are made sans gluten.

Not processed is more important than goats but many poeple do better with goat. I wouldn't touch any kind if boiled and burned (processed)

Aaesome to hear that you get results with cutting out gluten, yeast, lactose!!


Nice stuff flynn!!!!

Most people will do much much better cutting that stuff like you did!

Amazing how much it makes a differance in mood and thinking huh???

Personally I don't eat any grains at all and I feel so much better!! But I would eat some but no way on the gluten. Not worth it at all! I don't think no grains is needed to be health but most people over eat grains hugely.

The good thing about cutting gluten is it pretty much cuts your grain intake too!

Lacotse is likely not a prob if lactase is around and lactase producing bacteria aren't dead (note in processing is you drink dead bacteria, they don't take it out they just kill it as well as all the goodness).

Have you tried re-introducing raw cow milk after staying off of gluten for a few months?? Just curious. If gluten sensitive and you eat it automatically makes you lactose intollerant. But staying away from it for awhile allows the body to heal and to be able to produce the enzyme lactase.

Awesome to hear you are getting results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Worth it big time huh?

hey thanks for the link mark
http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=articles/allergies_reactivity.php

been suffering from allergies for years and spendin heaps of hard cash on antihitamines when i shud of listened to my mum and ate raw enzyme containing foods and changed my diet. would be alot cheaper and healthier than stuffing my self full of $20 worth of antihistamines a week.
cheers

SIRRAH-food, water and sea salt play huge roles in histamine...

Something you might want to look into also is EFT. I won't get into it too much here but I would try it on ANYTHING.. heres a link to some allergy stories

http://www.emofree.com/articles.aspx?id=4

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-big success in dog phobea (a few different related aspects that need to be adressed still)
-large reduction in reumatism pain in thumb (that one was about 3 weeks ago-she couldn't pick up mug without pain still no prob now -my Mum :)
-elbow pain gone (she knew about some similar stuff but was blown away when her elbow pain went from a 5.5 to a 0 in about 30secs)
-one of my students has a fear of looking silly and being embarassed that was delt with in mins also (I don't know if other aspects have come up yet)

I have had one failure so far with a spider phobea-however we are meeting today and I think I can get past it..

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