ISKA World Championship Thaiboxing
Saturday 29th March 2008
The Forum Wythenshawe Manchester M22 5RX

Tim Thomas will defend his ISKA World Crown against Frankie Hudders
Showsport International in association with Franks Gym will stage an ISKA World Championship Thaiboxing event on Saturday the 29th March at The Forum, Wythenshawe, Manchester. Local man Frankie Hudders will challenge World Champion Tim TNT Thomas for his ISKA World Welterweight Thaiboxing Title. Former World Champion Hudders won the ISKA Light-Welterweight 2002 when he defeated the Italian Champion Matteo Trevisan in his hometown of Torino, he defended the title successfully against Kieran Keddle in London stopping the challenger in the third round. Hudders vacated the title in 2005 when he could no longer make the weight limit. After a break from competing to set up his own gym Hudders has his sights set on winning another World title.
Hudders has fought all over the World in exotic locations including the Caribbean, South African and Thailand, but he is really excited about the prospect of fighting in his hometown saying ‘I can’t wait to face Thomas at the Forum the atmosphere is going to be electric, he just beat the British No.1 Michael Dicks by TKO he is a worthy Champion, I think Dicks underestimated him, I respect Thomas, I know it’s going to be a hard fight.
Hudders has only had three fights in the last three years, his last fight in February 2007 against Belgium’s Ahmedi Bejan which ended in a no contest both fighters unable to continue due to cuts. Hudders knows ring rust could be a factor, but says, I’ve been in the game for 15 years, I’ve had over 50 fights, I’ve been in with some of the best fighters in the World, I will bring all that experience into the ring with me plus months of hard training.
Hudders also wants to be recognised as the No.1 Welterweight in the UK and says I beat Kieran Keddle stopped him in three rounds and didn’t even get out of first gear, I beat Michael Dicks by unanimous decision, that fight was stopped in the fourth round because we clashed heads it went to the judge’s score cards all three judges gave it to me. I understand why both have been ranked above me because I’ve been inactive, but the independent rankings have still got Keddle at No. 1 what’s that about? Kieran is a nice guy but he’s done nothing to deserve it and has been avoiding me and Dicks for years. Dicks should have been No.1 he has been winning against good fighters, then Tim Thomas stepped up and beat him, if I beat Thomas I will be No.1 and I will offer rematches to Keddle and Dicks. Hudders was asked to predict the outcome of his match with Thomas, he said I don’t make predictions but I intend to win, I want to thank Tim Thomas for agreeing to defend his title against In Manchester.
Tim Thomas also refused to give a prediction on the outcome, he didn’t have much to say other than, I just like to get in the ring and get on with it, people know what I’m capable of, I have really focused on my training for this fight I know Hudders is a dangerous opponent. Like Hudders Thomas won his world title on foreign soil, in 2005 he defeated Farid Laidhouni in Belgium, the following year he made a successful defence against Lloyd Cochran in Glasgow. Thomas did hint at who his next opponent might be saying after the Hudders fight I will looking to fight James France or Jordan Watson Bad Company are the team to beat at the moment.

There will be a strong supporting card featuring Andy Thrasher against Phil Pullen, Tony Horbury against Joe Coville with Colin Johnson, Leroy Magardo and Dean James matches to be confirmed.
Tickets: Child (under14) £12.00 Adult £22 VIP £50.00
Box Office: 0161 935 4020
Hotel: Holiday Inn Manchester Airport
The promoters have arranged a special rate with the Holiday Inn for travelling fans, £54.00 Bed & Breakfast for a twin or double room .Please use Reservations Code THA280308 when booking your room

Was at the Forum the other week for Ladies Show and it is a great venue.

Looking forward to this!!!!!!

Is this a Paul Hennessey promotion?

Looks like a cracking match up.
I think it would be a very interesting fight between either Jordan Watson or James France with either of these guys.

I predict this will be a great fight but with Frankie contralling it .........I think Tim will have good sucess with his boxing but still have to go with my heart and say frankie will win

I would like to do do a KIck for Cancer raffle at this show ........I will contact you through the Franks gym website mate.

I was wondering about when this show might start having a thread, didn't feel it my place to start it, but untill now not seen any mention of it anywhere.
That's a "very interesting" choice of words noi, ;-)
I personally think Frankie will have too much for Tim, although that'll be if he doesn't do the same as me and Michael, and get bombed off his right hand.
Looking forward to this as it'll be my first fight of the year, and Phil has had a good last year from all accounts.
The forum is a lovely venue, and with the crowd that is expected the atmosphere will be electric.

Badger france Vs the winner!!!!!!!!!!

thrasher just said......"the atmosphere will be electric"

what the fook.......how poofy is that!

cardigans getting to you!

Sorry Westwood, that was a bit gay, but trying to be polite.
I second the Badger v winner shout.

yes that would be a cracker...........or you v the winner

I'm not ready for world title yet if ever, I've got my sights set on a European title first , something that James has already got, plus he has fought and beaten some of the best in Europe recently.

andy v phil will be good scrap both like a whack off and a good hooding! phils got age on his side but andy is very ugly and nout to lose! good luck chaps. TNT v Hudders will be class as would the winner v badger

Any idea of under card fights and if there are any fights still need to match

hudders v thomas will be a good match, never seen frankie in action so will be looking forward to this! jordan or france would both make cracking opponents for thomas, would love to see either of them against him.

Thrasher v Pullen, both top guys and both love a good scrap too lol. it's gonna be a nice fight to watch but i'm gonna have to go with my good mate thrashpot for this one though.

badger has fought him before dean!!

Sounds a cracker

didnt tim and james fight at pain n glory 06 with badger winning?

Yeah Wainey, Badger took fight on a days notice and won by ko, dropped tim with an elbow then finished with a knee to head. I no that Tim is on the look out for a rematch so would be good maybe at Leeds Town Hall, with badger just winning the Euro title in outrageous fashion would be nice if tim keeps his title to defend it against the badger baiter. Will be a good fight and could go either way but Tim is on a roll at the min and Frank not fought for age's and then there is always if his badly scared shin will hold up to it too.

just to set the record straight i dont intend to fight at 67kgs anymore - my next two fights being 63.5kgs and my summer fight being at 65kgs.

Some cracking fights on here and so glad to be up here with two of my fighters.

Well done to Paul on a good promotion.

Posters and Tickets as soon as please.

Two of my favourite UK fighters, should be a great contest!

Frankies takin this seriously and is very up for it too x

i'd love to rematch france win or lose - he's a great fighter - proven,and in great form at the moment and would be a good 3rd defence if i can defeat hudders,i think i underestimated france before and will def be sure not to do that again-don't think my jaw cud handle it!

as for Frankie - Just gonna do my best as i always try to do - and its a day after my 25th B day so would be a quality Bday if i win!!

So your not going out on the lash for your b-day then Tim? :) lol

25...am dreading my 21st nevernmind yours Tim x

1 ahead of you Vinns im 22 dinky doo this year i canni wait lol :-p

And to repeat Dazzas quote ref: the Wythenshawe forum, quality venue, enjoyed the fights at tricia and peles ladykillers there recently

That'll be a really good fight and interesting to see the different styles! Best of luck Tim!

any under card?

Best of luck tim R U coming up to watch pos4? respect finnie

should be a cracking fight - good luck to both love to watch it but im away in Thailand.

Good luck to Tim should be a cracker.
Danny wants to come and watch, but will miss it going to Bangkok.

Good Luck Frank mate

It is an interesting fight. Tim has been looking fantastic in last years fights where as Frankie hasnt been as active.
We all know Frankie can deliver at the top of his game.
Its a hard one to call.

Good luck to both guys.

Kieran ,,,, 63.5 for next cpl of fights ...best you keep that rubber gimp suit on mate , including Thailand while im in all the meetings .

Good luck to both guys, shame i wont be there to see it. Should make for a good scrap. I know tim has been on good form an always has that right hand but i'll go with frankie on experience an hunger.

I'm gonna try and make POS4 - would have loved to fight on the show as its always a good night. Dean or Howson to win for me but who knows anything can happen in 8 mans!!
good luck to little danny in Bangkok NMT

If kieran fights at a lower weight now any chance of the rankings being amended???

no tim no ammendment i dont wanna see you strutting about in northampton with some shorts with numero uno no the back lol cya 2moro nite i wonder who will turn up on time for the jog? naz was whinging last week

I can't run 2moz - work till six so won't get there till near 7 so won't have enough time - when u see naz tho ask him about his abs from training last night - he couldn't handle the medicine ball!!

good luck Tim!
: )

RE: Kieran Keddle and the rankings

I can appreciate some people questioning Kieran's number one spot on recent activity. However no-one else has been consistently fighting world class opposition for the last 3 years like he has (Fikri, Andrei Kotsur, Kaoponglek, Danthai, Withayanoi Sitkuanim) and whilst there are a couple of losses in there (as there will be with anyone who fights constantly at top level) none of them are stoppages. He's also not been challenged by those directly below him.

All credit to Tim he's on a roll at the moment and that's what has got him up to number 2.
Whoever wins out of Frankie & Tim they are more than welcome to challegne Kieran for top spot. Kieran has fights up till August 16th booked but is currently free 4 weeks after that. He'd also more than welcome fighting Imran Khan too. He's not avoiding anyone domestically.

If Kieran starts fighting regularly at 63.5 then we'll also look at moving him to that category but his last fight was at 67.




re: Frankie Hudders vs Tim Thomas
Great fight and good luck with it lads..

Frankie is very very focused,speaking to him yesterday(being honest i speak to everyday) but he is really up for this and is training hard and properly,he is making his own luck am sure of that x

best of luck for the show to you all, best of luck to you tim. start 2008 how you ended 2007 :)

tim sort ur queers out i mean fighters out, naz was in the ring in lycra hotpants on top of a bag ground and pounding it, jon told me u were ill but lying as u were on a date! oh and pitbull took nas on the pads and destroyed him quotes were fantastic i need to record it next time 'you hit like a pussy you slag' LOL pitbull is ace

Can you pay on the door for this?

Thanks.

Pretty sure chalky yeah x

Chalky I have tickets

Thanks Gents.
What time does it start?

dont sell chalky tickets he is a gay darren and has mentioned to ne before how attractive he found you

Franks lived the life for this one on his day he is wonderful sight and i went Beastmasters after watching him waste Brian taylor,seen him mature and take the game seriously over the last couple of years and he seems relaxed with his talent and temperament..oh he still has fire but its used correct x

Col is just jealous as he is ugly and likes to clinch big men and as for sharing a sauna.... Don't go there. LOL

I will try and bob over to Bury,If not i'll have to pay on the door.Is it a daytime or nightime show?

Wot's the undercard and wot time does it start and end?

TA,

FB'Slim

Nobody will tell us the times Fatboy. LOL

TTT.

Undercard? Times?

Please.

FB'Slim

TTT.
Answers to Fatboys Questions too for me Please.

Can't wait this fight, it gonna be gud!
Is Frankie still training at super camp?

Super camp...lol Supergym no Franks training himself all though we chat most days,he lives far away and has commitments to teach,,he is ready though x

we now does he live? is his gym in manchester? didn't know he trains peopele now.

Somebody must know what time it starts?? undercard??

Echo,Echo,Echo....... LOL

For Foooks Sake!!!!!

Someone must be organising this event or is it just Frankie and Tim in the Forum carpark!!!

Times / Undercard etc..........I want to get down to this but need to know the times!!!

FB'Slim

thrasher v pullen
joe colville v tony horbury

should be a good undercard the thomas fight will be class

They don't like us Fatboy! LOL

is Dean James fighting on this show? i was an instant fan after watching him live at POS2. looks like a good show, good luck to all involved

no dean is on next at POS4 :-D

i may be there to see it! :)

Any undercard news?What time the doors open,first fight. Would be nice to know.

who are you trying to convince Vinny your self or Franky?

wow will be a massive achievement for frank if he trains himself...........................amazing

TTT !!

Times, Undercard??????

Franks not been to my gym for this fight,Barnhills on though kiddies x

Come on somebody must know the undercard? and time of show? you trainers have fighters on this show. Thanks.

is anyone betting?

Looking forward to this. Assuming day pass from wife appears!

Doors openat 5 and the show is due to start at 6

Whose Barnhill Fighting Vinny, drop me mail I think I have info for you?

Thanks Darren.I may go now as i know the time.

Paul Hennessy having a bit of a nightmare with Undercard as i gave him a couple of Fighters to help, i think i might have a Novice on ( well 2 fights hes had 1 win 1 loss )
A Few of the ones on poster aint on and mentioned above!
like also mentioned can we have Gyms saying simply
my / our fighters on v ????? whoever etc:
and ive got a few tickets if people are struggling cheers
Also ref: a point made above Who is Frankie training with for it? or is it a secret?
its gonna be a scorcher whatever !

We have 2 on from Badco.
Karl Lewis (100+kgs)
Kyle Fella v irish opponent (52kgs)

Aiden Greenwood Bradford Thai versus Jordan Calder Guy Ramseys possibly for an area title.

Kyle Greenwood versus TBC for maybe an area title too.....

And then ive to get off to work.......

Is Kyle in line for the Rolex then....or is it now outside the time-frame? :)

Big good luck to jordan calder..........scottish thai boxing s best young fighter!!

the rolex deal kinda mutated into a gym equipment deal.

rolex offer was british not area if i remember rightly, theres joe colville and pullen from shinkick on undercard i think / hope! whos betting NMT? i want a few quid on a couple of these fights

how much you wanna bet on thrashers fight wobinson you man fiddler

depends who u want ur money on llama licker. ill also raise my bet on it not going distance if you want some of that either way i tink stoppage in that one and tim v frank. saying that you will definitely want your northern notes on the 2 northerners so we might have to discuss this on day, i need someone to win cash off as i cant win it off of thraser this time and im still down from the bet loss to harrison

well im gonna go for thrasher stoppin him in the 3rd or 4th

I think that one will go the distance.
Badger hit Phil with some right shots and he shrugged them off.

Beag Kyle fella aint fighting you dick fidller....Karl lewis and Baz (ive got cold arms) riley are on.

yeah but badger isnt as ugly as thrasher i think he would sicken the most strong stomached of us all if he was up close breathing on us ha ha

cant wait till the show looks like a good show Liam Andy and the rest see you all ther

My £50 says Tim to win

peahead......you matched?

FB'Slim

GOOD LUCK Jordan & Tim respect Finnie

il take your 50 nmt on frankie! i like tim but frankie is too good! clear points win.

youre on Paul
like frankie but Tim to win KO

lol mad heads.

And ive just found out Tony tiger horbury out injured toe??/injured

v joe colville Zebs gym

that right?

lol mad heads.

And ive just found out Tony tiger horbury out injured toe??/injured

v joe colville Zebs gym

that right?

Yep, just got news last night. a real shame, but we all hope that Tony recovers soon.

Still up there with Phil, and may have a novice on aswell.

Looking forward to it :)

i would like to put a 50 on thrasher to beat pullen as well, any takers?

£50 you told me u were broke lol u big spenders.

peahead writes:

yeah but badger isnt as ugly as thrasher i think he would sicken the most strong stomached of us all if he was up close breathing on us ha ha

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this happened to me it was all starting to go nicely nose fell off but i still caught a whiff and had to dive on floor and out of the ring, u must know he releases it in round 3 like he did to me.

i know thrasher will be taking this seriously and preparing well for it, phil is very powerful and fit and tough and not to be underestimated will be a good fight

Thomas won,t ko Frankie...frank to win x

This sounds like a S.H.A.G. reunion ive got one of my lads on now fighting against Rikki Williams so some of the undercard goes:
Aiden Greenwood (Bradford Thai Boxing) v Jordan Calder (caledonian muay thai) Area Title (looking forward to this one)
Kyle Greenwood (Bradford Thai Boxing) v Rajesh
Darren Till (Sapphire Gym) v Rikki Williams (Bradford Thai Boxing)

Looking forward to this show can't wait to see my buddy Thrashpants v Pullen as well as my lad Darren, any more news on the undercard? :-)

Aiden Greenwood (Bradford Thai Boxing) v Jordan Calder (caledonian muay thai) Area Title

??....The Area Between Bradford And Glasgow Title? :)

I love it when jordan fights.......its the only time brian isnt dishing out abuse cos he shits himself so much!!
Good luck to thrasher as well!!

Paul, im in Bangkok when Tim and Frankie fight but will
meet up to be paid or pay up in future.
Thrasher v Pullen would love to bet on this one but only live
round by round.

Thrasher by ko too Andys maddd for it..lol x

LOL @ jackson I did think that, but i'm sure thats what Dave Croft said, maybe Calder is originally from leeds and technically he qualifies ha ha ha! I dont kno - good fight anyway whatever its for.

You down for this Davymac?
Vinny - Thrashpants is mad, not mad for it! there's a difference!
Have the rest of the S.H.A.G. crew been told of the change in theme for POS4 it's a belter and i'm gunna win it this time!!!!
Sorry back on thread this shows gunna be off the hook!!! mo fo's

Im throwing in my 50 on Pullen to win. Tougher then leather Pullen is. Open him up and Thrashers got even more trouble. In regards to Tim.... Id say very talented. Maybe underestimated aswell. Good chance to KO Hudders...All in all Hudders is hardcore and very skilled. Tim's gonna be in for a tough time.Good luck the both of you.

bradford and scotland thats northern area aint it!

I'll have to agree with what Martin said, take the Thrasher/Pullen fight round by round. Both hard punchers, both can trade and war,but also can show good technical skills. Phils really up for this and has been training very hard, as Im sure Andy is too.

Andys mind focused x

Best of luck to Andy Thrasher, sounds like a great show with some exciting fights on.

Jordan is in part assisted in his promotion and training by liam harrison. For the title to be valid he is to be considered a representative of liams region.

Or you could consider that if you compete in a region. you are entitled to try for the titles on offer in that area.

I hope itll be a good fight any way regardless of the "area" distinction

what weight is the title thanks

max 57

Jordans a good kid x

aaaaaaaaaaawot and aiden isnt? LOL!

Fights at 56kgs

the belts at 57max. well actually 56.5kg so paul tells me. it'll be a same day weight in for sure.

And of course you can be lighter just not heavier. JOrdan has more experience and comes from an excellent background. Both are the same age and both promise great things for the future.

No there are not the same age who told you that ??

Hey man never seen Aidan darling x x best luck both

liam told me. aidens just 15yrs......couple of months back now

Not sure what your point is here but I was asked if aiden was available and I said he was. Liam called and said he thought itd be a good match. I accepted his thoughts as Ive not had the pleasure of watching jordan and agreed

I stand corrected then, I thought Aiden was 16 anyway no worries, it's cool will be a good fight.

theres not much difference in age maybe 6 months ish...it will be a great fight, and will make a change for them to be fighting so close to there age range instead of fighting men cos they are both very big for there ages.

x

tim why have u got my wp shorts on in your profile picture and who is that funny looking pervert in the pic with you?

S.H.A.G. crew are in attendance...........................you lucky people in manchester!!!!

You worry me Crazylegs!

I miss you Simon

I worry me too Dave ;-)

I miss you more Dougie x x x

martin mango writes
Im throwing in my 50 on Pullen to win.

is that with me mate?

I will take Frank to win.......win big

and thrasher to win big too

No disrespect to either Tim or Phill.......but i just think thats the way it will go......

Does anyone know the full line up yet?
looking forward to this, and seeing fat leum, Andy "the pikey", Davymac, Dougie, is leeroy & rob going? Oh them were the days............irish people! beer! Shakira! Man slaps! Elbows! & Subway's (footlong)! cake! spunk! laughter! friendship! Love! (me and dougie although he's in denial), tramps in leum's room!
Howson puking all over himself and then falling asleep in it aaaahhhhhh!

Oh yesss they was x

This weekend....

Looking forwards to it.

goong

Prawn?

Firstly, Simon I'm not in denial.
Secondly, What time does this show start?

I miss you dougie
you coming down or what?

Anybody got directions to this venue from Bolton,Never been to this place.
Cheers.
I have no sat nav....it would be worth more than my car!

does any one know the full line up?

Start time?

Weigh-in time for fighters?

Richard,I was told doors open at 5,Fights start at 6pm.
I just want to know how to get to the venue and the final line-up would be nice to know as well.

spoke to paul the other day and he said weigh in from 3 onwards, don't kno start time yet just left message on his mobile, i'll get back to AXers when I kno! Roger and out!!

Doh! chalky beat me to it, thats it all answered then ha ha

weight in at 3pm. doors open at 5pm. starts at 6pm

Cheers chaps

final full line up???????

Sawatdee Khrup!

Coming up from tropical Cambridgeshire to bear the hard horizontal rain of the North to judge for this one so be gentle with me Northern hard men (and women I hear!)

I want to take the opportunity to wish all the fighters the very best for their respective fights and to Paul Hennesey for putting on a great line up - Chock Dee Khrup!

Liam,Richard C & Andy I haven't forgotten re: our interview, just been a bit busy. Hope to chat to you Saturday if we get the chance, will put something together in next couple of weeks


SHAUN

Full line up will be posted soon :)

Saturday 29th March 2008

The Forum Wythenshawe Manchester M22 5RX

Doors Open 5.00pm show starts 6.00pm

Tickets on the door: Adults £25 Child £15 VIP Sold out



ISKA World Welterweight Muaythai title

Tim Thomas (Team TNT) v Frankie Hudders (Franks Gym) 5R MT



Supporting Bouts

Andy Thrasher (GFC) v Phil Pullen (Shinkick) 5R MT

Baz Riley (Bad Co.) v Tom Healey (Lumpini) 5R OR

Karl Lewis (Bad Co.) v Ben Thompson (Black knights) 5R OR

Kyle Greenwood (Bradford TB) v Rajesh Salhan (IFA) 5R OR

Ricky Williams (Bradford TB) v Darren Tilly (Sapphire) 5R OR

Aiden Greenwood (BradfordTB) v Jordan Calder (Caledonian) 5R OR

James Connor (Evolution) v Azram Khan (Shinkick) 3R OR

Stephen Edensor (Evolution) v Daniel Clear (Golden Cobra) 3R OR

John Montague (Bolton TBC) v John Maguire (TMAS) 3R OR

Nice one.... i'll be there if i can find it. LOL.

Good luck Thrasher ya big gay!

Good luck with the show dave an everyone fighting, im gutted im not in the uk for this one. All the best andy hope you have a good one, also best of luck to young jordan.

Good luck to Baz and Karl and Jordan! Oh and that guy called Andy Thrasher or something!

Its Azran Quasid from my gym!! Dont know where Paul got Khan from! :)

Good luck to everyone, should be a cracking show

Good luck to the Badco lads and Andy Thrasher do the business lads.

And to my boy Jordan Calder, do your thing son we all know what you can do.

Thanks beanie baby,Craig,and dad will do my best and see what happens

what does OR mean after the matches i.e.
Baz Riley (Bad Co.) v Tom Healey (Lumpini) 5R OR
Thrashers says MT (Muay Thai) after it, I hope it doesnt mean Oriental Rules cos were fighting thai style baby!!!!!! ;-)

Promise I'll get some good photos!

cheers Dave.I will be there.Good luck to all the fighters

Make sure you get some good ones of Darren Till from Sapphire Gym, he's one of my boys!!!!
And i'd like to get them before i'm 60years old beanie. LOL ;-)

audley make sure you have darren wearing clean under wear if hes going to hospital ha ha. what time you getting there?

OR is oriental rules

Ha ha dave, make sure your lads wearing knee pads cos it does chaf the knees getting up off the canvas so much!! LOL getting there probably between 3-4 mate. And we are fighting class C thai are'nt we dave not Oriental rules?

Its scheduled for 5 x 1.5mins. Its better for the judging criteria. Though its rikkis first outing at all so i have no idea if the projected lenght of the bout matters too much.

I kno its 5x1.5's I meant whats this Oriental Rules crap, that means limited clinch like K1.
p.s. wear a cap in the corner so the lights don't bounce off your bonce, blind my fighter and your lad steals one on him. LOL

lol crazylegs!! i shall try or i might purposefully forget!

oh i shouldn't have said that, you'll set alex on me!

oh i see? i have no idea. possibly its a reference to Muay Thai is Full rules. Therefore; its a distinction for modified rules ie no knees elbows to the head.

And less of the hair jokes....im very sensitive!

sorry lover :-0 no more baldy jokes til after the fights haha! c u up there mate

One 19 stone liverpool doorman with a mohican coming your way beanie, enjoy!!! LOL

oh noooooooooo!!!! well, i don't think he'll be able to find me without using a magnifying glass!!

tim 65kg frankie 65.9 kg both under the title weight, should be a cracker. place your bets.

Andy T 66.6 (no shock to some people that number being associated with Thrasher)

Phil 67.3

He he

go on thrasher! fookin have it kid!

on tim vs frankie i like tim and think hes a gent but have a 50 on frank so who ever wins il be happy, best of luck to both! i had the chance to brown nose frankie in wolves tellin him hes my fav uk fighter which is something i dont normaly do!

i hope tim has not taken this fight thinking it is his time to add frankie to his cv because of frankies inactivity in the last 3 years..... i saw frank today and he looks in the best condition i have seen him for years.. all i would say to tim is good look mate id rather you than me

Good Luck to Frankie Hudders from Mark Cannon Panthainarasingh Camp in Liverpool

Haven't seen Frankie fight since his match with Kieran. Frankie has always been a great fighter to watch though.

Think I'll be making the trip up from Brum for this, well worth it.

Best of luck to Si Audley's fighter. Had the pleasure of training at Simon's camp a few times when living in Liverpool and he was at the Martial Arts Centre - always made to feel welcome.

Just about to leave the house for this one.
Best of luck to my friend Jordan 'The Cobra' Calder.
It will be nice to see you beating up on someone other than me for a change.
Chok Dee Pal.

Also best of luck to Andy 'Extreme Cardigan Champ' Thrasher and Simon Audley's fighter, don't know him but Simon's a dude.

AV IT!

love you dougie xx

Who won outta Hudders and Kieran?

Frankie tko in round 3 i think x

good luck TIM &Jordan respect Finnie

I have had to work in Oxford today so cant go!

Best of luck to Franky and Thrashpants x

good luck to mr pullen hes one tough guy very durable i dnt think he wil get stoped by any1 at the moment but he may lose on points due to hes lack of expereince but wont eva happens he will never be in a dull fight.

Results tonight please folks!!!!

Sitting ere on the edge of my seat.................

thrash gave pullen a count in the 2nd and won pts, pullen is tough mofo

well done pants of thrash!

frankie took 8 count in 4th but won pts been told bad points decision by about 10 people but didnt see it so cant comment

Congrats Frank...........

Andy and Phil was a complete war from start to finish, Pullen has to have one of the hardest chins in the business. One very respected Nak Muay even said it was the best domestic fight between two British Fighters! Not taking anything away from Phil, Andy made it little hard for himself but Phil was a lot better than I expected.

Tim and Frank very close, I wasn't proper judging, but I had Frank ahead at the end of the third, even though Tim was throwing god punches mixed with some nice clincha nd knees, Frank was scoring very well with the left body. Turning point came in the fourth when Tim put Frankie down, he chased Franka round the ring for the rest of that round. Frank came back at the start of the last round but I still think Tim shaded it and should have got the fight.

Two great wars to finish with, onwards and upwards for British Muay Thai

Some great fights tonight.
Thrasher V Pullen was an absolute war. Both traded very clean hurtful shots.
Thrasher landed a peach of a left hook to drop Phil, but it didnt really take the wind out of his sales and carried on trading... Thrasher took a good points win. Nice one Andy.

I was one of the judges in the close-fought bout between Frank and Tim.
I had a few people come up to me afterwards displaying their disaproval of my decision to give it to Frank. I think Franks unanswered sharp left kick was telling in the fight. Tim had a lot of success with punches, and knocked Frank down for an 8-count in round 4, however one of the overlooked things that I think alot of people missed was the way in which Frank turned it around at the end of the round rocking Tim, and also cutting him under his eye. This then made it in to a 10-9 round, due to the come back.
I know it seems a little cliched, but its a shame there had to be a victor and a runner-up in this extremely close fight. Well done to both guys.
I can understand people voicing their concerns, but this was my decision as I saw the fight.
Well done to Frank.
Congratulations.

Sawatdee Khrup!

Alongside Richard I too judged Frank as winning an extremely close fight. The crieria for me was the same, the front round kick was countering Tim's punch low kick combos and this scores higher. I know Tim will be disappointed as no doubt due to the closeness of the fight he amongst others would have thought he won. However judges descisions, however unpopular sometimes, are 'decisions' and not 'opinions' and are based upon scoring criteria, proximity to the fight, experience and of course judgement. I appreciate that there will be some 'opinions' made regarding the decision as there always will be in a close fight.
What is more important though is that two great British athletes put on a fantastic performance both fighting from the heart and 'both' should be commended. Frankie is now the world champion but I know Tim will be starting to put this behind him and no doubt look towards a re-match and I belive that will be an even greater fight.

As a footnote Andy Thrasher v Phil Pullen was amazing both guys were tremendous and a credit to our sport a win that Andy had to earn from Phil as neither guy was going to give it away.

SHAUN

If they have a re-match i'd bring more security LOL like a SAS division! i bet there was murder after. The fight was great cant comment on the decision was to close call for me, 2 high level athletes doing really well. Well done frank.

Got to say tho Thrasher v Pullen was fight of the night for me, professional through to the end, a war, respectful, we shared a changing room with phil pullens team and they were top people too.

Like said earlier "onwards and upwards for British muaythai".

any more results?

for me round 4 was a definate 10-8 round.....frank was very close to gettin stopped and was out on his fight after he got up and was falling about the ring, he came back and cut tim but didnt rock him! I dont know how frank lasted the 4th round he showed great heart.
frank then started winning the 1st part of the last round but turned his back in the clinch 3 or 4x....1st round was 10-10 i gave frank 2 and 3 Tim 4 big and 5. was a great fight and everyone is gonna have different opinions thats mine...
As ive already said i thought Thrasher and phil was best uk fight ive ever seen....as most know im good mates with Andy and was sat next to his corner with my heart in my mouth for the full fight, ive never seen 2 fighters so happy to stand there and punch each others faces and love it so much....was the 1st time i got chance to speak to phil and hes a great guy i cant wait to see him fight again, so exciting!! A good win for thrash against a very strong phil pullen.

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There was no trouble afterwards,well i had trouble with some birds but i always do lol x x goodnight, good fight and possibly the most nervous i have been honestly he wanted it,hence him getting up,Thomas is dangerous and will be back am sure well done to both and was nice to see all the usual suspects x

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Wow!! What a night!!

I am so proud of Phil. It was a fantastic fight against Andy. I can not believe that they were both standing at the end of the fight. I truly have never seen Phil rocked like that, but he came back well. Phil didnt go down but was rocked hard and fell into the corner and the ref gave him a count, which was correct. Both fighters were true warriors and gave the crowd a fantastic night. I want to say that Andy Thrasher and Darren Phillips are both gentlemen of the sport and it was a pleasure to be in the opposite corner.
Next up for Phil is Mike Wakeling, while Andy has Rab Burt.... no easy fights then guys??!! :)

On the Hudders/Thomas fight, I felt that Tim had it, but I have to say that I was watching it as a fan, rather than a judge. It was a great fight, and Frankie did so well to survive that 4th round. I really thought it was all over. The one dissapointing thing for me was the bad blood and bad words after the fight. We are all sportsman and should conduct ourselves accordingly. Tim showed some dignity in what must have been a crushing blow to him.
Would love to see a rematch though!! :)

Great changing room antics, sharing with Bad co, Sandy and Sapphire. Good to meet you to Simon, see ya today in Bracknell!! :)

Rokdad.

I see your from GFC..... No pics of your own fighter then???? :)

Rockdad had another job to do during Andy's fight.

Would like to echo Jessie's comments, met Phil for the first time at the weigh in and took to him straight away great guy!

Easy fights, no way Andy's to old and ugly for easy fights

LOL. There was a photographer who took a pic of Andy and Phil drinking a can of tetleys extra smooth each... Would love to see that one!

Well done Andy and Phil great battle x

@zebedee

You got mail. :-)

Cheers Rob, and Ive answered.

Thanks.

sounds like it was a great night,think rab burt v andy thrasher ,pos4 could be a great fight. how did jordan get on respect Finnie

How did Aiden Greenwood get on?

Jordan Calder V Aiden Greenwood didn't happen....I don't know the reason

Jordan's fight didn't happen because Aiden couldn't make the weight. Jordan weighed in at 57 kgs with all his clothes on and Aiden weighed in at 60 kgs. Jordan still wanted to fight but I wouldn't let him, too much weight to give away and he is still only 14, Paul Hennessey gave Jordan the belt though and the title, that's all I'm saying on this.

THANKS Rokdad. cool pics respect Finnie

Some great pics there Rob lad, see you in the week

Cheers guys, can't wait to see what Beanie and Basil got from ringside though.

regrettably Aiden failed to maintain the weight loss programme I schedued for him and simply weighted in heavy. Jordan claimed the belt by default.

Certainly a disapointment and Aidens loss. He'll pay more attention next time to my instructions.

In a twist of irony I accepted a fight for my lad Rikki against Simons lad giving away 3kgs on the night. When fighters are that young there are many many external influences outside the control of the trainer.

Oh its worth mentioning that rikki lost his fight against Darren who frankly outshone rikki from the first bell.

Naturally I hate simon audley and darren! LOL! congrats lads!

I will try to get some photos up as soon as I can.

GREAT fight between Andy Thrashpants V Phil pullen,Always a crackin fight with Andy and what two great fighters and chins! Fight of the night for me.

Good to see the 2 heavyweight guys in there too,And a crackin shot from the lad from Burnley to win.

I was supporting Frankie in his fight,But as a spectator i thought Tim should have got the win.But there may have been a riot if he'd lost.BUT a great performance from both fighters.Not great to see everybody piling in the ring,But it was a electric atmosphere!

Well done also to a ex-training buddy and fellow sparring partner at times,Matt m+m montague(Sandy's),He is a great young man with a nice polite attitude.Well done!
Overall a good show,Good seating,enough fights...etc i was fading in the background.

Thanks Dave J,Directions were spot on...LOL Also,a good job reffing and crowd control...

Well done all involved in the show.

Jessie, has Phil been counted before, I'm sure he's not been stopped

i seen simons fighter at greenock show hes class.his kicking is brill all round great fighter 1 for the future.well done to all the fighters on the show.

why is it when you have a pretty decent photo, you end up with getting part of the ref in it?!

Tell me about it. Ref's should have much more consideration for us photographers, we put in literally minutes of preparation to get those decent shots, only for them to get their big, fat arses in the way, just at the wrong time! ;)

Top Night! Well done to Andy Thrasher. Not seen too many Grown up fights, but gotta be the best one yet for me. All credit to Phil Pullen as well, he was really going for it. Thanks to you both for a truly outstanding performance and a great sense of sportsmanship!

Plastered the conservatory myself Andy, despite your offer! Didn't want you falling over all Aarons toys and doin an injury!!!!!!!!!!

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

Maybe a slightly dense question but is this site attached to a time machine? As my p.c clearly says that it is nearly bedtime and is dark outside. Yet last post went on 6 hrs ago?

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

A few more of my amateurish attempts while we wait for the pro's to crop & airbrush Dave Jackson out of existence :D

Thanks for all the positive comments - absolutely gutted as you can imagine,really thought i'd won that - all the points made for the decision going franks way can be challenged,pretty sure if it had gone my way though not much of the venue would have been left!!
Just want to thank everyone who supported me and to say that i won't let this decision stop me,theres plenty more to come from me this year

I missed the Thrasher/Pullen fight but from what i hear was a great match - met pullen in the hotel with his instructior-great guys,well done to Andy for the win - great to be in a weight catergory with such good fighters

Here's my pics, (from the last two fights) I uploaded them all to flickr. I got some from your fight, Tim... there's also a couple on there from your last bout with Andy, mate.

Vinny, it was me who got that pic of Andy and Phil sharing those beers, it's all in there.

Click here to see Basil's fight pics

If you've got a flickr account, make sure you leave loads of comments! ;)


Rob, your pics are quality man, don't ever put "amateurish" next to them again, you crazy fool!

"Vinny, it was me who got that pic of Andy and Phil sharing those beers, it's all in there."

Vinny should read Jessie, obviously.

I see Vinnys hypnotizm is working in other area's of his plot towards world domination! :)

Noi be silent or you will dance like a turkey..again x

Vinny just wants to be like me :)

Thanks for the compliments stewart & sean, darren fought well, not very happy he weighed in 2kg over but will speak to him tonight about that one.

pullen got put down by darren balshaw think it was a knee to the head but got up and put balshaw down and won, cracking fight too. dont think he has even been stopped or will be.

i was amazed how they give the fight to frankie hudders the judges looked terrified with the hooligan elimant there this must have been the factor why he won.

thrasher pullen fight was class best i have seen in a longtime

i have to say i was actually quite scared when the decision was made, i was stood near the blue corner trying to take photos when everyone started running into the ring! must have been just as scary for tim!

Franky Hudders has a shit load of supporters saw him fight at Leeds Town Hall against a japanese opponent and his support was loud as.....makes for a brilliant atmosphere!

Some times external influences have an impact upon any decision we make in life. why would any one imagine a decision might not swayed in line with popular opinion.

I am in no position to judge the fight as I was not paying judging levels of attention and have no right to question the decision of this fight. Judging is a subjective art, that has each judge offer their interpretation of the action played out before them. Each offering a unique perspective from their viewing angle.

Tim enjoyed the mantle of aggressor for the earlier rounds and looked strong. but as it was pointed out to me. we score techniques, strikes and effect. not facial expression or demeanor of the fighters.

What is a fact though is the job of judging that fight, in that venue, with that partisan crowd in support of a local hero was no picnic. and respect to those judges for accepting the job.

stafford vocal support is one thing gangs of thugs is quite another.

dave croft frankie did not win this fight the judges must have been scarred to score correctly or they had no knowledge of the sport.

i have to agree with thai_tilidie, vocal support is one thing and it's always a good thing for the fighters. i didn't agree with the booing towards tim, but then again i don't agree with booing any fighter, quote me if i'm wrong but i think someone went to have a go at tim which is completely wrong!
there were people clambering over the tables to get into the ring and it's a bloody scary thing! it's like footie fans invading the pitch! i think that's something that shouldn't happen, it simply isn't safe!

Tim wasnt deterred by any of that one bit tho, it seemed to make him perform better he really seemed to be enjoying it.....Tim seems to thrive on being the underdog and always pulls out top performances when people think hes up against it.
Is it me or does tim look like a taller floyd mayweather??

I did feel that Tim had it but left before the final bell as there were young people in my group for whose safety I had responsability.

But its of no matter what i thought. I was not a judge. But regardless of why? The judges accepted the job knowing it to be a hard one. And for that I offer my respect. I may not agree with the decision. But declare openly i was not attempting to judge it and am not prepared to question those given that task on an open forum.

I had tim take round four with a ten/eight. Which if all judges recognised had tim six full points ahead assuming the first three rounds drawn. Which they werent. Frankie was much stronger in the fifth round and edged it. Across three judges that brings him 3 full points nearer. Tim still has a three point spread.

Im advised one of the judges exercised his perogitive and gave tim the knock down round a ten nine as he felt Frankie came back enough to nullify the Eight count. My thoughts are that an eight count results in a ten eight round.

But before every one runs away with the notion the judges got it wrong because of crowd pressure. Which of you would have done the job in their place.

Whatever; Im sure this will run and run.

My son was sitting ringside helping to time keep and at the end of the 4th round I went down and told him when the fight ends to come up and stand beside me on the stage because if Frankie didn't get the decision there would have been a riot. And the scenes at the end with all those people invading the ring when he won kind of proved that. And at the end when we were walking out we were behind Tim Thomas and this stupid girl gave him abuse, total disgrace, probably pissed though and thought she was king kong. I noticed she said it after he had walked by her and not to his face nuff said. On the decision the fight I gave it to Tim Thomas.

Im sure both lads will want a rematch. Somewhere nuetral would be alot better. I did think Tim won and Ill be honest and say I wanted Tim to win as a fan. Good muay thai fight from both lads. How about a rematch offer on your next show Zebs? And another rematch for Thrasher and Pullen. Would'nt that make the night spectacular. The crowd I saw were just being ignorant. No respect. But thats what you get in life, shit happens. The best for all the fighters.

Liam Badco - Is it me or does tim look like a taller floyd mayweather??
i've had that a bit lately mate and i love it lol wish i had his record tho

I will ramatch Frankie at any time,as long as its fair i don't care where it is or how much for!!!

Thanks for the thoughts of my show Martin, but mine is probably a bit too small, and under budget to put on a fight like Tim/Frankie.... never say never though I spose!!

Tim i meant floyd mayweather senior dont get excited lol

Who did the security and where were they when all this was going on?

People should never be able to get into the ring thats a security issue!!

I wasnt their so I cant comment but where were they?

There was security. But they were out numbered by a considerable value. Theres only so much they could have done.

yeah i know ha ha

Will there be a DVD of the show?

FB'Slim

Tim how about Woking fight night 18th May? Its a small show but a great show in my opinion. Great venue and good atmosphere. I know Zebs aint no Dodi Fayed but im sure he would look after you. Zebs I guess from Tims previous words you MAY have a chance. I guess its upto Frank really. SOMEONE SPEAK TO FRANK!!!Well done Tim great performance.

Let Frank have break mate...he is running his own gym full time and had to travel lots to train for this plus 2 rounds or so 2 years and fighting a great champion like Tim also,his shin was cut too thats why he never used his right leg as much,he took massive shots from Tim and got up not many would or could do that credit where credits due please, Tim you are a great champion and a brave guy as you went into the lions den to defend your title we all respect that and thanks a memorable night,Franks 32 and been around along time and has said to me he would give Tim a rematch,when i don,t know or where Frankie trained with Johnny roye and he did a great job as his condition was superb.
The decision stays as i am no judge when asked who won i said dunno,thats not my job everyones has a view so thats just life was great see everyone,the crowd where passionate as all the Wythenshawe lot are put he is well loved by them all he is great with kids and is typical jack the lad with a wicked sense of humour and a straight talker for that i like him,there will be rematch as Franks stated Tim gave me my chance i will give him his,well done love me x

DAVID MC ........ M7.Security Solutions did the Security for this show as we do for most of the Thai and Kickboxing Shows. I was instructed by the shows promoters to assign a 12 man team of which I did so. 12 men is twice the number of men that I normally put on for other shows. We can only go with what the promoters and venue managers require ( due to costing ) Im sure that you understand costing issues. I myself climbed into the ring and stood next to Tim Thomas and my team were more than competant to make sure that he got safely back to his dressing room , whatever the fight outcome. I had even briefed Tims team of the procedure to ensure his safety , which of course was paramount to myself ..... and believe me when I say this .... He was in safe hands !!!. I have looked after many people over the years both as an individual and as part of a team. I was a soldier for many years and have often had to count on my experience to assist people. Yes we were vastly out numbered , But there were no fights, no throwing of objects and no one was hurt. People did get into the ring but only after I had got Tim out and we needed 4 security staff to run the gauntlet with him to his dressing room. At no time was his safety compromised and nor did I feel he would be hurt. Given the circumstances I feel that we took a potentially volatile situation and took Tim to a safety zone. The people that got into the ring after I had got Tim out were there to see Frankie ( their local hero ) Yes people were stood up shouting and jeering as the fight was in full flow, But I had my men positioned around the ring to keep people from ringside. In an ideal world maybe Frankie should have taken the microphone and apealed to his supporters to sit down and represent him in a more apealing manner, who knows. I have been representing many promoters over the years and I have been more than happy and honoured to do so. I do not under any circumstances employ BULLY BOY BOUNCERS who scare and intimidate people, though of course thet need to be able to handle themselves if the worst came to the worst. I pride myself on having staff represent me, and more importantly prommoters who are polite, professional way. As some one once said " its nice to be important , But its more important to be nice ". I hope that this clarifies your question as to who did the Security. If I can assist you further please contact me. Thank You. Martin Hollingworth.

.........Tim how about Woking fight night 18th May?

fine by me,but i don't think Frankie would agree to a rematch to be honest!

Just as a footnote to another thread,It would have been a riot if Frankie had'nt had won and the ring invasion is one reason why muay thai won't go forward or get picked up by big TV companies.
If you have Lager fuelled fans you will always get that kind of reaction.
The security was good by Martin,But outnumbered.
I was supporting Frankie,But it was "thugish" at times,What about all the young kids there?

I was the referee on Saturday night and as Martin says his guys did a great job of controlling the situation with just 12 men.

I worked security recently at one of Frank Warrens Pro Boxing Shows in Liverpool and there were around 80 Security Personnel looking after the crowd. 43 local Premier Security Lads and his own team that do all the shows for him. The olympia holds around 1500 so was probably only 2 times the size of the one on Sat.

I was still in the ring when everyone invaded and I didn't feel threatened enough to leave. I simply took the microphone off the MC and pushed my way through the crowd around Frankie and asked him to ask his crowd to leave the ring and thats what he did.

It was a great fight and as a referee I wasn't judging but I did stand there waiting for the decision at the end thinking it was really really close.

On a side note i nearly burst out laughing when Pullen hit Thrasher with a decent punch and then asked him "are you ok" to which Thrasher answered "yeah" and hit him back!

Yep,I saw you take conrol of the mic Dave,And well done.It just does'nt look good when your trying as the main players in Thai boxing to take it forward and make it bigger.
If i had kids to take that show i would have been scared for them,It's not what i like to see.
Credit to all the fighters.

check out some of my photos on another thread called some photos from 29th mar show.

Martin Im sure Dave Mc was only asking as the thread seemed to suggest there wasnt any security. I think that your guys were great. and professional as ever. but frankly 12 versus a massed cohesive group is a no win situation. As i know from my experiences that very night at my club.

I know I expressed an opinion as to the out come but truly believe rushing to an immediate rematch does nothing for the sport. whether you agree with the result. it stands. and its the champions perogative to accept a challenge as and when he sees fit. Im sure that Tim edged it and posted that opinion along with the admission i was neither focussed upon judging or paid to be one and therefore; have no say.

a great fight and congratulations to Frankie. Im sure Tim will be stronger as a result of this and come back harder

Well done to both fighters. Tim DEFINITLY won in my oinion!!!

sorry opinion.

As one of the judges, at no point did I feel threatened by the "thug-element".
All I saw was an enthusiastic young crowd (most of the vocal group with the banners, must have been about 12-15yrs old). I think it was some of the older lads that rushed in the ring, that came from ringside VIP tables, that should have known better.

I believe I gave an open and honest decision on my interpretation of the fight.
There was not a conscious thought that entered my head about my own personal safety, should I give the decision against the home town crowd.
I was accompanied by one or two of the M7 Security Solutions Team, stood at my shoulder for the duration of the fight.
Thanks Martin.

"On a side note I nearly burst out laughing when Pullen hit Thrasher with a decent punch and then asked him "are you ok" to which Thrasher answered "yeah" and hit him back!"

That's hilarious!

Martin Hollingworth

No probs Martin, Mr Croft gave me a call and explained the situation and as I said I wasnt their and have been told your boys did an amazing job given the circumstances. I am ex forces myself and I know where your coming from.

Respect

I have to say, before the fight I was kind-of backing Frankie to win (you have to pick someone to back to make it exciting for yourself!), but I came out of the changing rooms after chatting to Andy after his fight and was stood behind Tim and his team as he was being introduced to a cacophony of boos. I switched my allegiance in a flash.

Yeah, I'm fickle like that.

Great fight.

Noi666 tell em the truth. That group of 15 year olds said theyd do ya if you never gave Franky the decision and you pooped ya pants. I saw how the guys on the vip tables were giving you the look. You got shizzled didnt ya? You feared for ya life. you even thought it was a conspiracy and M7 were in on it also.

Rich we all know someone with your great amount of experience respect and professionalism would not do anything but give your honest decision to any fighter you judge.weather your decision was the correct one or not i know you would have judged to the best of your ability and thats that.

I still rekon Tim won it tho!!! LOL. HE FUCKING DID!!! But its over now and the best we can hope for now is to move on.hopefully a rematch in the near future.

DAVID Mc .... Thank you. no offence was taken, I just wanted to explain my point. Thanks again... Respect 2 U 2. DAVE CROFT , I have always thought you were an outstanding ambassador for peace, love and understanding. You can have a job with me anytime and I would be prepared to pay the the full 25 quid for the nights work !!!. Seriously though, Thanks a lot M8. Martin.

The lads who were gettin "jiggy" were not 12-15 year olds,It was men lashed on lager,Rich you did'nt get to see it because you were judging,It must be me as i'm not young....but i'm enthusiastic and vocal in my support ie: Go on Frankie!

Maybe it's me being a borin old git LOL ;-)

Martin H........why you thanking M8? Are they another security firm? Lol. kidding great job.

On a side note, martin who runs the security is a top notch bloke and never backs down from his responsability. he guys are great. Him and one other lad where prepared to stand between two factions of 20 plus on small show I promoted last year. It was my mistake I never have had any thing like trouble and did not expect it. Thre was none, but had there been any I have no doubt Martin would have done everything he could have.

I was talking to the lad who organised th secuirty at the weigh in and he told me had booked 12, I said 12, that's a bit over the top. What do I know???

Martin H what weight are you? Fancy a FTR 3x2 with chalky?

Martin is top guy and his security is very very professional. However his opinion on dave croft is completely wrong! Dave exist to be in the YMCA tribute band not for love or piece haha

Come on crofty do the hand movements YMCA haha

PaulinThailand nearly had a nifty of you by all accounts
next time we meet i shall pay, cheers for the bet lets get it on for another fight and give me a chance to get even.
Well done Frankie top bloke , Tim and john well done i dont think anyone will be keen to fight you in future.
Danny is fighting on 12th April against a Thai with 18wins and good with knee


Martin

ok i wasnt going to comment and seeing as no one has actually mentioned the 3rd judge?
i will give you a clue.......
i judged and had the pleasure to do the last 5
i say pleasure because Andy Thrasher and Phil Pullen was simply Outstanding !
anyway
heres the drills !
1. I took my fighter to Fight and corner and with 20 of us supporting from Bolton !
2. I was asked to Judge and was Very Much up and ok for it !
i scored correctly and all 3 of was Consistant up to the last fight !
3. you want my scores?

ive used all my Learning and MuayThai Scoring thats been Paramount in recent times of the Muay thai Criteria !
I say Effect as this is the Highest Judging Criteria alongside
the "Not be Influenced by the Crowd or a Favourite etc"!

4.Before i get to the Score? Can i say this on a personal level Not a prof: one
if you Know what i mean?

ok if i was to be Influenced? / Biased do you Know who it would be ???
heres some clues........

A) Ive Known Frankie Hudders for over 15 years and always found him a top guy and always friendly and Never had a problem with him Ever !
B) hes a Manc Lad, 15 Miles from Bolton
C)Ive commentated and judged his fights before
D) My fighters on his show
E) Ive known Tim Thomas about 2 / 3years and only ever spoken to him 1 or 2 times and can only say ive watched about 10 of his fights and must say Like Frankie an outstanding fighter whom IMO has rocketted to the Top as a worthy Champion, by beating some top names along the way to that World Title ( ie: Michael Dicks, Andy Thrasher )

Ok so you do the Fav: / Biased Rating?


Now read My Scores the One that the Crowd probably didnt hear too much

Round 1
10 / 10 * Star Blue Corner
Round 2
10 / 9 win Blue corner
Round 3
10 / 10
round 4
10 / 8 Blue Corner win, 100% a knockdown NO Dispute!!!
Round 5
9 / 10 Red Corner a Massive Recovery of an Athlete !
49 47 if you want the points
but its not points its who got the nod ?
But as you can see who won though on muay-thai scoring !
id liek Tony myers to check the fight and my and judges scores!

ok now again you do the Maths for the Majority Win on 2 Judges ! not mine
Sorry Frankie and Team
Nothing Personal AT ALL
In fact you was Superbly Conditioned and to comeback in the 5th: a massive respect and Testiment to you and your team !

p.s. NOPE ive not got Big balls, im not that brave or hard either !
i must be just stupid?
But i wouldnt give in to outside influence !
ref: Not giving to that hostile end to the fight
p.p.s
Martin and Team did the Best as Any Security could do i thought they did a Top Job as ever !
you would have needed 100 + security to have even got close to sorting that situ out !
there was about 10 max they did good
p.p.ps
Paul hennessey Good Show But No Trophies For Fighters?
Dont agree ! soz

ok i wasnt going to comment and seeing as no one has actually mentioned the 3rd judge?
i will give you a clue.......
i judged and had the pleasure to do the last 5
i say pleasure because Andy Thrasher and Phil Pullen was simply Outstanding !
anyway
heres the drills !
1. I took my fighter to Fight and corner and with 20 of us supporting from Bolton !
2. I was asked to Judge and was Very Much up and ok for it !
i scored correctly and all 3 of was Consistant up to the last fight !
3. you want my scores?

ive used all my Learning and MuayThai Scoring thats been Paramount in recent times of the Muay thai Criteria !
I say Effect as this is the Highest Judging Criteria alongside
the "Not be Influenced by the Crowd or a Favourite etc"!

4.Before i get to the Score? Can i say this on a personal level Not a prof: one
if you Know what i mean?

ok if i was to be Influenced? / Biased do you Know who it would be ???
heres some clues........

A) Ive Known Frankie Hudders for over 15 years and always found him a top guy and always friendly and Never had a problem with him Ever !
B) hes a Manc Lad, 15 Miles from Bolton
C)Ive commentated and judged his fights before
D) My fighters on his show
E) Ive known Tim Thomas about 2 / 3years and only ever spoken to him 1 or 2 times and can only say ive watched about 10 of his fights and must say Like Frankie an outstanding fighter whom IMO has rocketted to the Top as a worthy Champion, by beating some top names along the way to that World Title ( ie: Michael Dicks, Andy Thrasher )

Ok so you do the Fav: / Biased Rating?


Now read My Scores the One that the Crowd probably didnt hear too much

Round 1
10 / 10 * Star Blue Corner
Round 2
10 / 9 win Blue corner
Round 3
10 / 10
round 4
10 / 8 Blue Corner win, 100% a knockdown NO Dispute!!!
Round 5
9 / 10 Red Corner a Massive Recovery of an Athlete !
49 47 if you want the points
but its not points its who got the nod ?
But as you can see who won though on muay-thai scoring !
id liek Tony myers to check the fight and my and judges scores!

ok now again you do the Maths for the Majority Win on 2 Judges ! not mine
Sorry Frankie and Team
Nothing Personal AT ALL
In fact you was Superbly Conditioned and to comeback in the 5th: a massive respect and Testiment to you and your team !

p.s. NOPE ive not got Big balls, im not that brave or hard either !
i must be just stupid?
But i wouldnt give in to outside influence !
ref: Not giving to that hostile end to the fight
p.p.s
Martin and Team did the Best as Any Security could do i thought they did a Top Job as ever !
you would have needed 100 + security to have even got close to sorting that situ out !
there was about 10 max they did good
p.p.ps
Paul hennessey Good Show But No Trophies For Fighters?
Dont agree ! soz

franky was in best shape ive ever seen him and the fight was fought at a ridiculously fast pace from start to finish, he was very sharp with his left kick especially in 2 and 3, still cant believe he got up from the knockdown cos Tim can finish a fight with 1 shot and frank took at least 7 before he went down.....will there be a reamtch??? or can badger france start chasing the title cos hes iska european champ at same weight and itching to fight for the belt. :)

"p.s. NOPE ive not got Big balls, im not that brave or hard either !
i must be just stupid?
But i wouldnt give in to outside influence !"

How do you know that this wasnt a subconcious positive discrimination?
You were that adamant not to be be influenced by these external influences, that you could of potentially been influenced, and swung the other way....
(Rhetorical statement)

Saying all these things, I think, is starting to detract from what a fantastic bout this was. It was extremely close, hence the debate.... I think we should let sleeping dogs lie and applaud both guys on a great fight.
There are certainly grounds for a rematch, but as has already been stated above, this is the champions perogative.

Y!......M!.......C!........A!

nigels jealous cos they didnt want a fat fifth member on a trombone in the village people.

Oi Crofty this is your first and last warning haha

Judges, stop explaining yourselves. That's half the problem with this sport judges having to beg for recognition! You judged it, the decision was made so people should get over it! Judging like politics is an opinion!

NICE PICTURES!

Good Luck Danny and Martin(NMT) for the 12th April - post the result as soon as!

havent a clue who won but fair flay for speaking ur mind sandy

Thanks Tim will let u know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBLSuRJHDMg round 4 and 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgvC1D65h-M round 1 and 3

There will be rematch x

yeah what did happen to the trophies for all the other fighters, they put a lot of work in..

Quote Martin Mango.....

"Martin H what weight are you? Fancy a FTR 3x2 with chalky?"

Why??? I have met Martin and Don't know what you mean? Explain...

Or have i missed a joke ;-)

You just missed a joke Chalky.

Wow, just reading this thread has got my adrenaline flowing...then you go and post the video :)

*What an effort by both fighters!!!*

It's my age mate LOL ;-)

3 X 2Mins! Hang on.... I'm 44! ha ha

What a great fight! anymore getting posted on youtube?

i too was not going to add to this debate but certain aspects of it have clouded what was an exceptional night of fights (all fighters desevrve credit) firstly let me say this so called hooligan element of which some people have commented i did not see .however i did see i lot of local guys supporting their man. is freindly banter being confused with hooliganism ie hatton/mayweather i dont condone the booing but it happens and were tims fans not involved? i would suggest poeple watch footage about end of the 1st round of the fingers pointed like guns and shouts of brat brat!!why you would wish to taunt an area with more guns per mile than afghanistan i do not no! as a spectator i thought that single action would have triggered the so called hooligan element of frankies lot but they did not rise. a fact i am grateful as i attended with my 8yr old son and his best friend . i think high spirits have been confused with hooliganism i havent read yet of these hooligans assaulting, robbing or abusing anybody! they may have been exuberant in celebration . the bad blood after the fight was a member of tims entourage shouting at frankie to pay him whatever for the rematch.all of what i have said i witnessed from my poisition and will be in any unedited footage of the fight. ps i dont want to be the bearer of bad news tim but i man i do not know leaving the event claims you kneed his wife in the hip /thigh after she consoled you on the loss of the fight.he said he was considering police action and had witnesses

robiedobdob just to educate you a little young man when eople raise their fingers tand shout brap brap (not brat brat) its a form of expression. its just like having your clenched fist in the air shouting yes yes.thats all so keep your afghanistani ignorant nonsense talk down.that was not a way of intimidation so get your facts right.the position i was in watching the fight i saw alot of ignorance coming from frankies side and this kind of behaviour from fighters supporters is wrong and should not happen.all fighters should get respect from interclubs to a class and from bad fighters to good fighters.no one regardless of their stats who goes into the ring should have booooooo shouted at them.and robiedobdobble you shouldnt be posting acusations about tim like that on a forum.of an attack on a woman.you should know better than that young man.great fight and lots of respect to tim and frank for their part.

i am not trying to attack tims chracter just to enlighten him on the acusations that were made after the event if i was able to tell him personally i would have done so . you have stated some valid points which i will take on board but this is the reason i was reluctant to post an opinion because i do not wish to be drawn into a slagging match with individuals who wish to call people little and ignorant.sorry for any offence caused and as i stated it was claimed.as noi666 wrote i think enough has been said on this matter. i tend to agree. and if tim and frankie wish to have a rematch lets hope its more conclusive!

robiedob & benburfitt why dont you use your names and leave your profiles to show who is behind these comments??? whats the point in posting when nobody knows who you are....

Sorry to add them remarks to you robiedob.just got a little rfustraed by you accusing tim on a forum (weather true or not its not the place.)cheers mate.
david mc alot know who i am.

See this is what I love about MT :(

Unfortunatly I have to go to California in the morning to help with Bispings final Thai training for his next fight ...then I go straight to Montreal for the fight!

Or was that another thread???

"See this is what I love about MT :("

I concur Dave.
Shame really....

robiedob writes:

i am not trying to attack tims chracter just to enlighten him on the acusations that were made after the event if i was able to tell him personally i would have done so

Look at his profile and send him an email or phone his gym its not that hard!!!!

Dave good luck to the Bispings team...

quote dave j "this is what i love about Muay Thai"
British Muay Thai(or maybe european?) but Thailand? I dont think so, Both Boxers tend to know who has won most of the time over there in my experience,so no controversy,just another way of showing how much we are still behind Thailand imho.

On a lighter note anyone thats ever handled a hand gun and tried to shoot one like Yo Samitty Sam the walt disney character will know that the only danger is to the cieling plaster and wall fittings. and rarely have fingers had the same ballistic effect LOL! That guy was a bit wild but funny too.

I dont think I ever said the crowd were hooligans? But I did think their enthusiasm might spill over into violence such was the angst between both groups.

Dave Jackson its sunny in California right now. Sun block for the head....Pack it or regret it!

And before you go change the rules of AX. No anonymous posts! saves a lotta shit.

i know people are in there trying to knock eachother out but its nothing personal,its just a hobby.until people are paying £40,000 a year for you to have a fight every 4-6 weeks cant see point in spectators getting so worked up about it, people dont see beyond what the boxers are like in the ring and some of the hardest hitters and dangerous people in the ring are such polite nice people outside it. neutral rematch and winner fights james france there could be an amazing 8man for pos5 at 67 now with some of the displays the guys at this weight have pulled off recently.

france
thomas
dicks
hudders
thrasher
rab burt
pullen
and the winner out of me and douglas, lol like a challenge.

I cannot understand why its now a case of lets forget this incident, It would no doubt been a very violent ending if the judges had not scored the fight to frankie hudders.

these men and girls also was not also just on alcohol horrible night really was and i was very intimidated by the whole thing

dave croft i really dont have a clue what you are writing and talking about most of the time you are always talking about hands guns, machine guns etc why not go join a cowboy forum and post on that :)

@Liam R

Now that's an 8 man I'd love to see...someone get hold of Gary O'Brien for next years POS :))

just watched the clips on youtube. in my own opinion tim won the fight. from the rounds given on youtube and the angle it shows which is pretty clear to see a good clear view to give a good opinion i think tim won. where is round 2? the 4th round was deffo a 10-8, frankie was rocked and didnt really seem to recover properly for the rest of that round. decision has been made though. hope tim gets the rematch.

LOL! it was a theme, private joke if you will with Liam and the lads some time ago, and the guns reference is a piss take on bicep size. not real guns? DOH?. Though on this ocasion I was simply illustrating the chap at the show gesturing with his hands was just having a game and no threat to the crowd and I didnt see what the fuss was about.

You are clearly dont like me and trying to get a rise out of me on a public forum from an anonymous post but Im interested in argueing. Lifes too short.

please dont get a rise on a public forum that is just wrong!
anyhow MT paintball day out are you going to captain the team or what, bring the biceps and stella artois vest but leave the ak47 at home please.

after reading some of the comments regarding the hudders v thomas fight i would like to add a few comments of my own.myself,partner and 2 children attended the show and a no time during the night did i feel intimidated or threatened by the crowd.All i saw was a crowd of people of all ages supporting a local man.not many people have had the chance to watch frankie fight as many of his fights have been aboard so it was expected to attract a large crowd with high spirts.after watching the fight over an over i belive the decision was right.i feel tim relied on his right hand to much where as frankie brought with him to the ring a fantastic display of thai boxing :- push low high and insideleg kicks,elbows and heart when he was knock down in the 4th round and came back to finish the round strong showing he is a true champion.i feel it is an unfair comment to suggest that people were on more than just alcohol(thai-tillidie)did you see what your surggesting? as"asumptions being the mother of all f***ups"i would like to say well done to all the fighter for a putting on a great display what a night cant wait for the next one

Chaps,what this thread has developed into aint Muay Thai. Rightly or wrongly a decision has been made. Let's move on, if we don't the sport / art surely won't and get the exposure it deserves.

Let's move on. Not sure if there's some winding up and trolling happening on here at moment

I think i could make a special effort to get down to 67 one last time for an 8 man of that quality ha ha!! pos 5 eh!? who knows?

As far as the frankie tim fight goes i didnt see it but there is a lot of debate on it thats is not called for. 3 judges are there to make a decision, they did end of! shit happens get over it. Sorry if that sounds harsh but its true!!

LOL. You all have to go and spoil my plans don't you! After POS2 8man, I always planned to revisit 67kg, especially if the defending champion is on-board! LOL. Seriously though, I have initial lineups upto POS6 and already thinking about 7, partly due to OCD!

Anyway, great fight, shame about all the controversy, the only way to address it now is a rematch on neutral ground with officials both sides are happy with, bound to be another good fight!

Anyone got round two of this?

muay thai criteria requires techinques to be on balance to score.

any news on rematch?