Hi all,

I have a military background, and since my last fight i have been having problems with my knees. I'm 30 this year and have never suffered until now, but during the build up to my last fight i was running 4/5 times a week. Now when i run i feel a bone rubbing sort of sensation, not quite pain, but a dicomfort or ache. I've never had this before but now i have to reduce the distance i run. Ive just started taking glucosomine and hope this will help. My knees and ankles both "crack" all the time and i just wondered if anyoe has this problem or if they have any experience of glucosomine and know if it will help, and how long it will take?

Thanks

Danny

First thing.

Drink 0.5oz of water for every lbs of body weight daily. Add a pinch of unprocessed sea salt per liter.

Many other things but if not doing this likely rest almost pointless.

cartilage of joint, partly made of water
lube in joint, largely made of water
water used to flush acid out of the joints
+much more

if you are dehydrated the body will scavenge water from areas of the body less important and use them for more important areas... joints are not high on the list of importance

Try that for a week, even though there are often many pieces to a puzzle I wouldn't be surprised if you saw (read felt) some great results.

If you lived out this way I would do some work on them - pay for results only

can you reccomend any supplements Mark?

nordic natural fish oils...

suppliments are suppliments and do little without a base foundation in my opinion...

the geletin from glucosamine (etc) capsules prob do as much as what you pay for in them...

Great Lakes Geletin has good geletin... nicw mix of amino acids from joints etc of animals that our ancestors use to eat (we use to eat almost the whole animal)

but good omega 3's (nordic naturals is the only one poliquin recommends) is a good start...

i'd say water will get better resuults (decent water I hope)

Im the same as you DanUK turned 30 last year! never had a problem until about 3 weeks ago its only 1 knee with me at the moment , feels as if its on the inside part/ or just behind my knee cap , Popping sensation every time i bend it , It also feels as if it needs to have a good crack if you know what i mean . Its not painfull just now , more of a an ache or discomfort. I have started taking cod liver oil capsules along with glucosamine , so hopefully that works , after reading this im going to have to start drinking more water .

To Mark L. when you say decent water do you only mean bottled ?

In Canada you can get big 18.9 liter bottles. There are a couple decent companies that sell a spring or natural mineral water. In my town there is a local company and it costs me $5 for 18.9 liters... try and beat that for something to drink :)

Technically yes on bottled water, depending where you live tap water is pretty scary period. I haven't looked at Scotland specifically but I would imagine they use chlorine etc?

Its used to kill bacteria - now about 80% of your immune system (that includes taking care of repair from training) is in your gut and a huge amount of immune function is related to the bacteria ("good bacteria") in your gut.

Do you think chlorine thinks and goes... hhmmm I'll leave the "good" and take the "bad"?? Hell no!

Don't know if fluoride is used in the UK or not but just do a little research on that and you know you don't want it in your water.

In the United Kingdom the Green Party refers to fluoride as a poison, claim that water fluoridation violates Article 35 of the European Charter of Fundamental Rights, is banned by the UK poisons act of 1972, violates Articles 3 and 8 of the Human Rights Act and raises issues under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.[8]
-wikipedia


"Don't drink fluoridated water .... Fluoride is a corrosive poison which will produce harm on a long term basis." Dr Charles Heyd, Past AMA president
Some 61,000 cancer deaths in the US result from fluoridation each year. I repeat 61,000. (Burk and Yiamouyiannis) One study found that fluoride elevates cancer mortality 17% in 16 years in large cities. (from Gerald Judd, PhD) "You have been led to believe the fluorine makes teeth harder. The fact is, it actually makes teeth softer." (George Meinig, a founder of the American Academy of Endodontics)
The US sees a 22% increase in decay every 16 years from fluoride use and a 50% decline in decay every 20 years compared with Finland's 98%, Sweden's 80% and Holland's 72%. And they are non-fluoridated. (Gerald Judd)
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/fluoride-controversy.aspx

Has Mark states there is certainly a lot of concern around what is in tap water. Check up on this on the net and you will find scientific claims on fluoride that are alarming, including that it is used as a dumbing down ingredient in prozac and sarin. Basically it starts that it used a sedative

Has Mark states there is certainly a lot of concern around what is in tap water. Check up on this on the net and you will find scientific claims on fluoride that are alarming, including that it is used as a dumbing down ingredient in prozac and sarin. Basically it states that it used a sedative

Its interesting to me why things hurt or don't heal over time.

I watch my 4+ month old get a scratch and hour later its gone. Where as if I had the same severity of a scratch it would probably take a couple days at least.

I think, as children, we learn the value of holding on to pain, it often gets us attention.

There is a MA system called Systema. I do not know lots about it. There is a class after one of mine at World Class Martial Arts and my friend who teaches MMA there has told me about it. One part of it is that you learn to let the blow pass through you and not tighten up and hold on to the energy. A large part of not holding on to the energy of a blow is mental and emotional. He told me stories, of him training, where at the end he whipped the instructor with no signs of injury (he'd been getting whipped in training and this was last day at a camp or something).

I am also curious about the process of healing in the body. From western science we know that the immune system kicks in and blood flow this and white cells that or what have you... What Western science doesn't know is how an why the body responds.

An interesting book I read (can look up title if anyone is interested) did experiments with DC electricity (very low levels). They found they could speed up and slow down healing (did a broken leg with a dog). They also found with salamanders that they could get the tail, when cut off, to not regrow using DC or stimulate it to grow in the wrong place using DC current.

Very interesting read.

This brings me to the meridians as mapped by the Chinese, the same one's used in acupuncture. They can be thought to be like veins that carry energy instead of blood and disruptions or blocks can occur. Meridians that run through your knee, for example, are not associated only with your knee and not only physical issues also. If there is a disruption with a meridian that goes through your knee and you have a knee injury (possibly weaker because..) the healing could be limited until the energy flows in the meridian are balanced and normalized.

Many things, including thoughts and emotions, can effect meridian flows.

In part I share this cause last week I had a client with some knee issue's. the knee had just started hurting, however (ask right questions) back in '72 (I think) she had a knee surgery.

She was open to this kind of thing and easily started to make links to things going on in her life then and also related stuff now. The old pain, starting to feel again, when some life situations are bringing up past situations that were stressful.

Lots happened with her knee that day (thought we were really focusing on something else)...

Consider this: split personality disorder Person 1, personality A may have diabetes, personality B in person 1 may not.

Person 2 may be near sighted in personality A and far sighted in personality B only.


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/21/Early-Childhood-Stress-Can-Have-a-Lingering-Effect-on-Your-Health.aspx

"In my experience with patients, the vast majority have medical problems related to previous emotional stress. And for the serious illnesses, most of the time, the trauma went all the way back to their childhood.

What was very consistent though is that nearly everyone was in denial that their previous emotional wounding could have any influence at all on their current health. They felt they had previously addressed that with therapists or prayer. While that is clearly possible, if they were seeing me for a continued medical problem, it was actually quite rare where the problem had been successfully addressed."

Knee
Chakra system of India
Root chakra related to safety, security, survival and tribal.
Today that generally means work, money, family. The learning lessons around the above issues are suppose to have happened 0-7 years old.

Many people, including Louise Hay I think, relate the knee's, metaphorically, to moving forward. Knee problems then would often be related to change and moving into a new stage of life.

In Chinese medicine the right side of the body is related to masculine energy and energy flows and the left to feminine energy and energy flows.

In my experience, in most knee cases, if the person is open and looks they can find mental/emotional stress close to the onset of the injury or pain appearing related to work, money, family or moving forward and usually, if a family member male if right knee and female if left.


This is simplified and a rough view from my opinion. My experience includes watching swelling in knees go down before my eyes after finding the related cause (knee holding fluid - got some results working on physical and wanted to go deeper I asked "if the fluid in your knees represented something, what might it be" - she guessed and we worked on an emotional thing being held on to and watch the swelling go down before our eyes).

In my opinion, if you want the best results with your knee, you approach it holistically from multiple directions.

interesting this thread sometimes a have sore knees myself but mostly am fine,i used to just put it down to the strains of training i wonder now if im maybe slightly dehydrated on those days.

Try doing it standing up!

I've got what sounds like the same thing, and I have been diagnosed with Patella Femoral Syndrome/Dysfunction and I'm currently having physiotherapy in an attempt to get it sorted out.

My physiotherapist has given me some exercises to do at home, standing on one leg (the bad leg) on a folded over pillow, throwing a ball against a wall at the same time. And, from the sitting down position, standing up on one leg, repeated ten times.

I have six more weeks of the rehab programme to go!!

After attending physio for a few weeks, today they have referred me to orthapeadics, so it seems likely there will be a surgical intervention to fix my knee :(

I've been told the target time is to have patients in, treated, and out again within 18 weeks, so fingers crossed I'll be back kicking pads and out for a run by the end of this year!

I'd get a second and third opinion from a different view (ie not peoples who's job it is to do surgery)

Might be "necessary".

Either way, all the best and think positive!

Cheers Mark, I'll see what happens when I eventually get an appointment. To be honest I don't mind the idea of surgery, as long as it gets my knee working again I don't care what happens!