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Topic:Power Of Scotland 6, The Lagoon, Sun 3rd May '09
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2009-02-23 19:31:29

Power Of Scotland 6 returns to the Lagoon Arena on Sunday 3rd May 2009 (Bank Holiday Weekend). The Lagoon has proved to be a great venue for POS and the setup just adds to the great fight action!

The POS6 lineup will hopefully be announced later in the week, but will feature the best Scottish fighters and also our hottest prospects, such as: John Dick, a very popular fighter with great heart and energy, who is always looking for the next big challenge. John Douglas, one of the most naturally gifted fighters of his generation. Chris Ferns, establishing himself as one of the biggest characters in our sport, a true showman in and out of the ring. James Doolan, a devastating fighter with real KO power. Ritchie Hocking, growing into one of our biggest with equally large potential. Hilary Mack, consistantly the best female fighter in Scotland for many years. Kieran McAskill, a young fighter with great speed and techniques that is brilliant to watch. Jordan Calder, Scotlandís most experienced and decorated Junior fighter how is turning heads in the adult ranks. Stevie Lochhead, a powerful young fighter how is developing dramatically with each fight. John Cullen, a past favourite who makes his return to Muay Thai after a successful and very explosive stint in MMAÖ plus many more taking on domestic and international challengers!Ē

POS6 will run from 2-8pm, with doors opening at 1pm. Tickets go on sale this week and can be purchased from any of the fighters on the show or you can visit the Lagoon, Musclebound on New Street in Paisley. You will also be able to buy them through and hopefully Or alternatively call me on 07790 788 368 for tickets, info or to book Ringside tickets . Seating is unreserved apart from the Ringside, so basically first there on the day will get pick of the seats and youíll have the flexibility to sit in groups etc. However, the last two events at the Lagoon have practically been sell outs, so get in quick.

Tickets are separated into 3 bands, Ringside (£50), Tiered (£25) and Standard (£20 for adults and £10 for Under 16ís). Ringside tickets offer close proximity seating, some food and waitress service. A lot of the tables have already been reserved, so please get in touch if you are panning on taking one.

Any fighter or coach that I havenít spoke to and that needs tickets, or flyers and posters, please get in touch.

For regular updates on the event, check out the website:, which will be updated regularly as the event develops. Thank you to everyone that has helped so far!
Posted: 2009-02-24 03:14:55
good luck with the show, will defo be up for it!
liam badco
Posted: 2009-02-24 03:39:32
me too...good luck mate
stu holden
Posted: 2009-02-24 04:20:48
Will have some fighters for you Gary i,ll ring you later.
Posted: 2009-02-24 05:00:03
These are always class events.
I'm sure this one will be of the same high standard.
Chokdee Gazza.
Posted: 2009-02-24 05:16:27
Table please!
Posted: 2009-02-24 06:37:44
make sure dougies table is close to the ring so i can hear his great advice again :p
Posted: 2009-02-24 06:46:39
I won you that fight mate, don't forget it!
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2009-02-24 15:35:57
Thanks for te support Guys! CBBT, got your table reserved mate, thanks! I've got tickets now which I'll get out to everyone this week if I can, should also have the flyers for the weekend and posters the following week.

Forgot one important name missing from the lineup, John Lamb will again be back on the POS stage, heard it here first!
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2009-03-07 08:08:09
Just waiting on a couple of the main fights to be confirmed then I'll post some of the lineup! Anyone that needs tickets and flyers please let me know.
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2009-04-01 16:38:54
Had to juggle the lineup a little with a few pullouts, so waiting on a few confirmed additions to the lineup, but hereís a little bit on some of the main matches.

A Class

  • Gulapkaw Boapbapbam (NKT, THAILAND) Vs. Paul Kelly (Wossobama, SCOTLAND) (64kg)

  • Gulapkaw is the new unknown quantity to the Muay Thai scene in Scotland. A 19 yr old Thai national who moved to Scotland 4 years ago and who has recently just started back training in his national sport. Even with a 4-year lay-off from training, Gulapkaw has had 59 fights in Thailand and is sure to be a great addition to the domestic Muay Thai scene. The first Scot to take him on is Paul Kelly, a young up-and-coming fighter who is a well-rounded and rangy fighter with a great engine and who is determined to take this scalp.

  • John Dick (GTBA, SCOTLAND) Vs. Stephen Meleady (Bridgestone, IRELAND) (58kg)

  • John Dick is one of Scotlandís most successful active fighters and is the current No.1 Featherweight in the UK, STBA Scottish Champion, IKF British Champion, ISKA British Champion and is renowned for his toughness and attacking style. John is always involved in action packed fights and thrives as an underdog. John faces a young Irish fighter named Stephen Meleady, a very aggressive fighter who will not be intimidated by Johnís reputation.

  • John Douglas (NKT) Vs. Peter Tiarks (Sor Thanikul, ENGLAND) (70kg)

  • John Douglas is one of the most naturally gifted fighters of his generation and has been a POS resident from the start. Having picked up the ISKA British Welterweight Title back in POS4, he moves up to 70kg and is matched against Pater Tiarks from Newcastle. Peter has been fighting for many years in Muay Thai and also has a strong record in Pro MMA and brings will prove a tough and technical chalenge for Douglas.

  • Hilary Mack (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Alexia Rufus (Cobra Gym, ENGLAND) (55kg)

  • Hilary Mack has been consistantly the best female fighter in Scotland for many years. Hilary returns to the POS stage and this time competing under Full Thai rules in a match against the English fighter Alexia Rufus. Rufus comes into this fight with a reputation as a tough fighter who likes to mix it.

    B Class

  • Ritchie Hocking (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Vinnie Helwig (Eagles, ENGLAND) (78kg)

  • Ritchie Hocking is a contant on the POS stage, the 17 year old local fighter loves to put on a show and is set to take on English fighter Vinnie Helwig from Bedford. Hocking is another stylish young fighter with huge potential and he is eager to put in a strong performance.

  • Keiran McAskill (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Che Nam (Shin Kick, ENGLAND) (53kg)

  • After a head turning performance at POS5 when Kieran McAskill beat the highly decorated champion kickboxer Leif Taggart, this young man now moves down to 53kg, to take on the British Ranked No.4 Flyweight, Che Nam. This is yet another big challenge for the 19 year old McAskill, fighing this strong English fighter who will just be back from extensive training in Thailand.

  • Jordan Calder (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Fikret van de Doel (Scorpio, HOLLAND) (57kg)

  • Jordan Calder is sure to be a future star of Muay Thai in Scotland and at 15 years old, he again takes on international opposition, in Fikret Van De Doel from Holland. 17 year old Fikret is undeafeated in 4 previous fights, so on paper seems like a good challenge for young Calder.

  • Connor McEwan (Sit Ayuthaya) Vs. Adam Little (Dragons) (70kg)

  • Another young up and coming fighter that is quickly gaining much praise in the senior ranks is Conner McEwan, a tall rangy fighter who is good in every range faces the very tough and durable Adam Little. Little is looking to avenge his last defeat on POS at the hands of Raj Singh and is determined to show what he can do.

    Some cracking young Scottish talent again taking centre stage on the event!

    Had a few calls asking about buying tickets, you can do it online from, here is the links for: Buy Tiered Tickets, Buy Adult Standard Tickets, Buy Junior Standard Tickets
    Posted: 2009-04-01 17:46:03

    Jordan's Opponent : Fikret Van Den Doel, Holland.
    Posted: 2009-04-02 10:51:52
    best of luck with the show gary ....... looks set to be another cracking event. good luck to john dick...
    Dean Ford
    Posted: 2009-04-02 13:53:35
    no 8to1 on this show ?
    WMT-workshop muaythai
    Posted: 2009-04-02 17:23:38
    Hi Gaz, i have a lad at 78kg fourght last year international k1 rules title fight and beat one of famous Ollando whierts fighter in a great fight , he is a classe and ready to fight he dose have a big kickboxing record nearly 30 fights not all wins but have two titles in that sa well , give me a call soon as if your intresed . surge gladiators gym youve got my number.
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-02 17:49:01
    Apologies to Alexis, I'll get your name right from now on.

    Thanks Wainey!

    No Dean, I was planning on doing another tournament and had the makings of an intial lineup, but then had a few pullouts, and thought it was a bit risky this time. No point trying to force a tournament when there isn't enough suitable fighters, as worst case scenario, I'd get another few pullouts on the day and without enough standbys it would collapse. As soon as I have enough good fighters and standby'd within the specific weight catogry then I'l do it again.

    Thanks Surge, I'll keep him in mind, I'd have probably put him in with my lad but already matched him, maybe another time.

    A lot of the tables are already taken by the same groups, so if anyone wants any tables please let me know asap. Also only have about 55 junior tickets left, so again if anyone needs some, even if yu don't have exact numbers, please let me know.

    Just under a month to go! Really looking forward to seeing the young guns in the B Class matches flourish again. Should have a few other bouts to put up on Monday once I get the confirmation.
    Posted: 2009-04-03 07:57:03
    I can't wait, I'm going to get absolutely shitfaced this year.
    I've always fancied going to a POS and getting blind drunk, it just never happens.

    Very best of luck to Jordan 'The Cobra' Calder, Hilary Mack & John Dick.
    If any more Caly fighters get matched then best of luck to them as well.
    Posted: 2009-04-03 08:00:57
    Really looking forward to coming up for this, thanks Gary for having us on:)
    paulo da silva
    Posted: 2009-04-03 08:13:36
    good luck che nam
    WMT-workshop muaythai
    Posted: 2009-04-07 08:27:59
    Hi Gary, my lad will take that fight at 78kg please let me know asp to confirm . surge.
    Posted: 2009-04-07 08:44:52
    Good luck jordan C ,
    do your thing mate.
    chris podesta
    Posted: 2009-04-07 09:43:40
    good luck with the show gary
    Surrey Muay Thai
    Posted: 2009-04-07 10:18:01
    Going to be heading along to this after doing the Great Edinburgh run some wicked fights on the card including the wee man Che Nam who is looking sharp since his return from Thailand.
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-16 05:51:46
    Sorry I've been posted missing on here folks, like to keep away from Ax when busy, here is the lineup, ust waiting on a few confirmations from the couple of pullouts and hopefully that will be the final card.

    A Class

  • Gulapkaw Boapbapbam (NKT, THAILAND) Vs. Paul Kelly (Wossobama, SCOTLAND) (64kg)

  • John Dick (GTBA, SCOTLAND) Vs. Stephen Meleady (Bridgestone, IRELAND) (58kg)

  • John Douglas (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Peter Tiarks (Sor Thanikul, ENGLAND) (70kg)

  • B Class

  • Ritchie Hocking (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. TBC (78kg)

  • Keiran McAskill (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Che Nam (Shin Kick, ENGLAND) (53kg)

  • Jordan Calder (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Fikret Van Den Doel (Scorpio, HOLLAND) (57kg)

  • Lyn Min Din (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Wayne Fisher (Carlisle, ENGLAND) (63.5kg)

  • Nial Smith (NKT) Vs. Wullie Dempster (Dragons) (70kg) FTR

  • Connor McEwan (Sit Ayuthaya) Vs. Adam Little (Dragons) (70kg)

  • Keith Middleton (Aberdeen) Vs. TBC (75kg)

  • C Class

  • Steven Lochhead (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. TBC (58kg)

  • Paul Lapsley (NKT) Vs. Craig Floan (GTBA) (75kg)

  • Jamie MacTavish (NKT) Vs. Addie Murphy (Sor Taksin) (62kg)

  • Ricki Lapsley (BASE) Vs. Alan Weaver (NAMT) (60kg)

  • Scott Clark (NKT) Vs. Gregor Summerville (Sor Taksin) (74kg)

  • Alan Butler (GTBA) Vs. Mark Quinn (Sor Taksin) (64kg)

  • Kevin Healy (BASE) Vs. TBC (78kg)

  • If I have made any spelling mistakes or anything, just text or email me them.

    I've only got about 5 Ringside tebles left, so if anyone is wanting one let me know, even if its not confirmed. Also, I've got very few Junior Adult tickets, so again if you need any please let me know, likewise if you have a few and don't need them please let me know. only 2.5weeks to go and everything on track for another great show, good luck to all the fighters in the final prep!
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-16 18:32:06
    Jonno Chipchase from MFA has kindly stepped in to fight Steven Lochhead. Both of these fighters have nice styles, quite similar technically actually, but a bit of a step up for Steven in terms of experience, but its a fight he's up for. Should have the others confirmed aswell, just waiting on the ok back from them.

    Posted: 2009-04-17 06:14:42
    Just the 17 bouts this time?
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-04-17 06:16:22
    you might have to suck on a Fishermans Friend for this one dougie
    Muaythai King
    Posted: 2009-04-17 06:19:45
    Not something he hasn't done before though LOL
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-04-17 06:24:04
    Aye, you would know Captain lol
    Posted: 2009-04-17 09:14:05
    best of luck with the show and to all fighters......... id go for wins for jordan, jono and lyn, if anyone fancies a cheey £20 or something on any of those fights let me know
    Muaythai King
    Posted: 2009-04-17 09:16:29
    All the best to John Douglas, very tidy and technical fighter.
    Liam R
    Posted: 2009-04-17 09:18:25
    Good luck Jonno boy u know what to do.
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-17 13:10:18
    Ritchie Hocking is now fighting Matt Inman, which will be a great rematch. Matt won the first fight on points about 1.5-2yrs ago, but it was a good fight that pushed Ritchie and the big yin still says he's never been hit like that in his life, but he is looking forward to showing how much he's improved. Matt is now mostly fighting in MMA I understand, so will be interesteing to see if his style has changed.
    stu holden
    Posted: 2009-04-20 11:36:25
    Jessie i hope your up for a few beers on the sat after the weigh in. Get the boys back to the hotel and tuck them in and lets hit the big lights of paisley!
    Posted: 2009-04-21 05:48:24
    Stu, oh yes and ill have my alcoholic buddy Fensom with me!! haha Poor Che may be fighting with two very hung over cornerman!! haha
    Posted: 2009-04-21 10:19:23
    Stu, why would we wait til after the weigh in's??? I thought more of you! ;-)

    All the best on what looks to be a wicked show Gary, looking forward to it!

    Good luck to all the fighters xx
    Guy Paret
    Posted: 2009-04-21 10:48:19
    Gary, good luck with the show!! Will think of you all on the day!!
    Posted: 2009-04-21 11:13:02
    stu holden
    Posted: 2009-04-21 11:33:14
    I was trying to be a pro and at least stay of it till after the weigh in but my arm can be very twisted very easly!!!. Wont be the first time Wayne has been left in his room alone and i,m sure it wont be the last time LOL. Gonna be a cracking show really looking forward to it.
    stu holden
    Posted: 2009-04-21 12:11:16
    Forgot to say i,m on crutches so either jessie or dave your gonna have to be carry me back to the hotel.
    Posted: 2009-04-22 03:58:30
    you really trust me and fensom to carry you back to a hotel!!!! hahaha, you'll never be the same again!
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-22 16:17:54
    Cheers Dave see you next week! Thanks Guy, will give you a shout after the show mate, hope your well!

    Yeah Aaron, their will be definitly tickets on the day, however I can't promise a lot of Tiered, I have given out a little over the capacity , as I'm expecting some returned, so anything I get back will be on the door. There is still plenty of room in the Standard section.

    I was going to update the lineup as only one match to confirm, but had a really busy day guys and my fighters gave me a kicking tonight, so I'm off to bed, probably update tomorrow. Looking forward to next week, should be another good one! Looking forward to see what my Thai lad is like, think that fight will be an elbow war, for anyone that knows Paul Kelly.
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-23 06:06:34
    Just a quick update on the lineup, just an opponent for Connor McEwan to confirm and that will hopefully be me sorted.

    A Class
  • Gulapkaw Boapbapbam (NKT, THAILAND) Vs. Paul Kelly (Wossobama, SCOTLAND) (64kg)

  • John Dick (GTBA, SCOTLAND) Vs. Stephen Meleady (Bridgestone, IRELAND) (58kg)

  • John Douglas (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Peter Tiarks (Sor Thanikul, ENGLAND) (70kg)

  • B Class
  • Ritchie Hocking (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Matt Inman (SBG, ENGLAND) (78kg)

  • Keiran McAskill (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Che Nam (Shin Kick, ENGLAND) (53kg)

  • Lyn Min Din (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Wayne Fisher (Carlisle, ENGLAND) (63.5kg)

  • Nial Smith (NKT) Vs. Wullie Dempster (Dragons) (70kg) FTR

  • Keith Middleton (Aberdeen) Vs. Chris Batty (Team Jigoku) (75kg)

  • Jordan Calder (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Fikret Van Den Doel (Scorpio, HOLLAND) (57kg)

  • Connor McEwan (Sit Ayuthaya) Vs. TBC (67-70kg)

  • C Class
  • Paul Lapsley (NKT) Vs. Craig Floan (GTBA) (75kg)

  • Alan Butler (GTBA) Vs. Mark Quinn (Sor Taksin) (64kg)

  • Jamie MacTavish (NKT) Vs. Addie Murphy (Sor Taksin) (62kg)

  • Steven Lochhead (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Aiden Greenwood (Bradford, ENGLAND) (60kg)

  • Scott Clark (NKT) Vs. Gregor Summerville (Sor Taksin) (74kg)

  • Ricki Lapsley (BASE) Vs. Alan Weaver (NAMT) (60kg)

  • Just a week and a half to go!
    Rivals Gym
    Posted: 2009-04-23 06:12:40
    Hi Gary
    Good luck with your show
    all at Rivals
    Posted: 2009-04-23 06:56:33
    will this be the running order?
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-23 11:28:57
    Thanks Stewart!

    Alan, it will be roughly in reverse order, but I'll need to give Mark and Cuggy some time between bouts, so will juggle them about a little, will either post it tonight or tomorrow morning. Artwork for the program is away tomorrow anyway, so will be done for then.
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-04-25 13:08:48
    Hi folks, here is the planned running order:

    C Class

  • Ricki Lapsley (BASE) Vs. Alan Weaver (NAMT) (60kg)

  • Scott Clark (NKT) Vs. Cenk Coksen (Sor Taksin) (74kg)

  • Robin Downer (NKT) Vs. Alan Butler (GTBA) (64kg)

  • Steven Lochhead (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Aiden Greenwood (Bradford, ENGLAND) (60kg)

  • Jamie MacTavish (NKT) Vs. Addie Murphy (Sor Taksin) (62kg)

  • Paul Lapsley (NKT) Vs. Craig Floan (GTBA) (75kg)

  • B Class

  • Jordan Calder (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Fikret Van Den Doel (Scorpio, HOLLAND) (57kg)

  • Keith Middleton (Aberdeen) Vs. Chris Batty (Team Jigoku) (75kg)

  • Connor McEwan (Sit Ayuthaya) Vs. Gordon Ross (Kaizen) (70kg)

  • Nial Smith (NKT) Vs. Wullie Dempster (Dragons) (70kg) FTR

  • Kieran McAskill (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Che Nam (Shin Kick, ENGLAND) (53kg)

  • Lyn Min Din (Caledonian, SCOTLAND) Vs. Wayne Fisher (Carlisle, ENGLAND) (63.5kg)

  • Ritchie Hocking (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Matt Inman (SBG, ENGLAND) (78kg)

  • A Class

  • John Douglas (NKT, SCOTLAND) Vs. Peter Tiarks (Sor Thanikul, ENGLAND) (70kg)

  • John Dick (GTBA, SCOTLAND) Vs. Stephen Meleady (Bridgestone, IRELAND) (58kg)

  • Gulapkaw Boapbapbam (NKT, THAILAND) Vs. Paul Kelly (Wossobama, SCOTLAND) (64kg)

  • Hopefully everybody will be easing down in training now, so the lineup will stay that way.

    If anyone has Tiered tickets they are expecting to return, can you you get in touch, as I've started a waiting list for them now.
    colin anderson
    Posted: 2009-04-26 06:31:42
    good luck gordon ross and also nial smith do the buisness guys
    robert burt
    Posted: 2009-04-26 11:09:32
    me and the vioce of johnstone john ob will on the commentry so if ye want any names, words, phrases dropped in make payments of a quid to ma hip pocket at ringside;).......dinny tel gary...:),looks a good day aw the same.
    shona grant
    Posted: 2009-04-26 15:27:31
    good luck to Connor from everyone at Sit Ayuthaya
    Posted: 2009-04-26 15:38:15
    best of luck Stephen meleady, this 1 is yours
    Posted: 2009-04-26 15:52:45
    good luck with the show gary.

    im sure all the stress will be worth it.

    hope your feeling better too.
    best wishes,craig,lean+green.
    Muaythai King
    Posted: 2009-04-26 16:48:34
    Go Hilz ;-)
    Posted: 2009-04-29 10:38:38
    Good luck to one and all!!!
    nathan touchgloves
    Posted: 2009-04-29 10:42:04
    good luck to jordan calder---superstar
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-04-29 10:44:35

    2009-04-29 10:37:37 ( time)

    john_o_brien writes:

    I hope it snows!!!!
    colin s.t.b.a morton
    Posted: 2009-04-29 16:00:39
    good luck with the show gaz :) this is the first 1 im gona miss im gutted good luck 2 all fighting and hope the show runs smooth :D

    Posted: 2009-04-30 01:55:13
    Is there anywhere we can watch the Hatton fight the night before?? haha
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-04-30 02:53:07
    yes Zebs, the gala casino , merchant city, its open 24/7 free entry and will be showing the fight
    Liam R
    Posted: 2009-04-30 03:27:23
    Good luck Wayne Fisher, top lad.
    Posted: 2009-04-30 09:28:13

    Thanks steve, will you be there?? :) we could have a few shandys!! Haha
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-04-30 12:01:58
    Christian Percival
    Posted: 2009-04-30 16:26:08
    wayne fisher, top lad? surely your joking!!!!
    stu holden
    Posted: 2009-05-01 07:12:36
    Jessie do you think its wise for you me and fensom to go to a casino? my poker face is shit!!! Wayne is out to impress on this event and has put alot of hard work in at the gym. See you all on saturday. Are you staying in the holiday inn Jessie?
    Posted: 2009-05-01 09:53:27
    I have no idea where Gary has put us, probably as ive got Fensom with me, we wont need a room!!! hahaha
    Im not playing poker, i have no money as it is!! LOL
    Posted: 2009-05-01 10:02:37
    I just want to wish Stephen Meleady of Bridgestone Ireland a good fight, I know both John and Stephen will go hell for leather for a result.

    Wish I could be there.

    Chok Dee Malo!! :)
    Surrey Muay Thai
    Posted: 2009-05-01 19:54:22
    Good luck to Che Nam on Sunday sure he will do Shin Kick Cafe proud:)
    liam badco
    Posted: 2009-05-01 21:04:01
    jordan good luck mate....hope the show goes well
    Posted: 2009-05-02 02:26:05
    Good luck to Jordan Calder £50 waiting for you here if you spark him!
    Posted: 2009-05-02 07:23:24
    Good luck Jordan and Lyn!! hope its a great show Gary!
    Posted: 2009-05-02 09:39:12
    best of luck to john douglas and paul kelly
    Posted: 2009-05-02 09:40:37
    and nial smith anaw
    John Grainger
    Posted: 2009-05-02 13:41:08
    Good luck to Connor McEwan John Dick Craig Floan and Ritchie Hocking.
    fae Graing and Debbie.
    Posted: 2009-05-02 15:25:24
    Good Luck 2 Paul Kelly. The wossobama will b there 2 cheer u on.
    Christian Percival
    Posted: 2009-05-02 16:16:21
    all the best to me old mate Wayne "the mantis" fisher!! Hope you do the biz and I'm sure you will give it your best. Stick in mate.

    Posted: 2009-05-02 16:40:06
    Good luck Lyn do your thing.

    Good luck son x.
    Posted: 2009-05-03 03:14:28
    good luck to paul kelly!
    caitlin faulds phoenix
    Posted: 2009-05-03 04:29:46
    good luck to all the fighters today
    Posted: 2009-05-03 12:49:54
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-05-03 16:48:18
    Conor McEwan won, John dick lost, John douglass won, lyn min din won, richie hawkins won, kieran won, paul kelly won and so did some other people lol

    Jordan Calder
    Posted: 2009-05-03 18:06:31
    Thanks to everyone for the support and to Davy, Andy and my Dad for helping me today with the cornering and addvice couldn't do it without you's :D

    Also to Gary for puting me on the show forgot to tell my dad to say to you about my sponsership with Hi-tec for the shorts
    Jordan Calder
    Posted: 2009-05-03 18:14:01
    Also Mr Audley £50 for K.O lmao hahaha
    Posted: 2009-05-03 18:50:30
    Well done to Gordon Ross, who should have won had it not been for the amateur judging. When did getting your high kick blocked with double gloves and barely moving from the low powered impact constitute you getting a good score??? That was part of our strategy to cover up quickly from the long range attacks and close in on a fighter who was about a head and a half taller than Gordon. That is the only techniques that he landed on gordon. Almost every one was on the gloves. Gordon dominated Connor in the clinch with strong knees and mixed it up well on the outside getting the better of the exchanges. I hate to remind some of you guys but this is not Thailand and the judging should reflect that. You wont get no points in holland if your kicks are blocked on the gloves and show no effect and id say our general style is more reflective of the dutch with an emphasis on all round ability and effectiveness including boxing. Anyway i wont go off on a tangent and fix all your problems in one night, il simply say to all the judges of the evening, please take a rain check!
    Posted: 2009-05-03 19:13:54
    Yeah it's not Thailand but it is Thai Boxing.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 00:20:08
    Spot on Brian!
    Its not Thailand but it is muay thai and the judging should reflect that!
    Why try to bastardise the sport and remove a consistant scoring system for Dutch style K1 scoring that is completely different. Changing the scoring is ridiculous and would just confuse fighters, coaches and officials. Stick to the thai scoring system or change the sport you compete in!

    Well done on what seems like another great show Gary, will be in touch soon mate.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 03:11:41
    Was a fantastic show, well done to gary. Some really good fights, especially the later ones.

    I felt the scoring was pretty much bang on, on the fights I watched, my only critism was the
    Doctors decision on stopping fights because of cuts. Both peter tiarks and gulapkaw cuts were very small
    And were not in a bad place. Gulapkaws especially was a very strange one, as was on the cheek and there was
    No blood running into the eyes.

    Had a great time both saturday and sunday, and I'm sure when andy posts the video clips, my already dodgy
    Reputation will be in tatters!! Haha
    Posted: 2009-05-04 04:43:23
    Its really Thai Boxing, i never noticed?? wow thanks for that constructive and intelligent point. And who mentioned K-1?? I made a point about a specific area of scoring in relation and similarity to the Dutch not a whole scoring system used in k-1. The point i was making is, its not thailand therefore the skill level and fight experience at such a show, which was full of mostly uk guys is a fair bit lower than say a night at lumpini, so if one guy comes and fights his heart out and scores the most damage but doesnt look as pretty doing it why shouldn't he get the win?? Just because some guys kicks look good if they dont affect the opponent why should they score? I could hardly say my guys were bastardizing the sport, i would say that my fighters always turn up ready and with good technique on the day so before you accuse anybody of that look at yourself. I'd love to see them open scoring where the judges declare the score each round, then id get a real laugh! Anyway im late for a session now, enjoy the discussion armchair warriors!
    Posted: 2009-05-04 05:00:10
    Gary D
    Posted: 2009-05-04 05:02:43
    Big Big thanks to gary. again you keep trying to make your show bigger every year and love the videos and lights which adds to the atmosphere.

    Totally agree with brian and stephen on the soring .Anyhoo

    Well done to robin downer 3rd stoppage in a row again you showed the power and class against a good fighter in alan.

    well done to paul lapsley i would have liked to have seen this fight go on longer as it could have been a great fight, hope craigs back really soon and thats the best iv seen him look.

    Congrats to john good scalp peter is one hard mofo! iv never seen someone take bodykicks off john and just smile lol johns foot was the size of herman munsters after the first rnd lol he landed a nice elbow but i agree with zebedee that the cuts on peter and the thai were not worthy of stopping the fight

    Posted: 2009-05-04 05:23:46
    well i hardly think tellin a fighter to block using double gloves is a good strategy and if kicked with no reply will score yes....but without seeing the fight i cant comment but i agree with steve and brian above! you cant chage the rules because of being a different league to the top level fighters.... you wouldnt expect a conference team (football) to play different rules to a premier team just because they are not as good it just dont happen.... as stevie said if you dont like the rules change your sport.... k1 as mentioned is alot more like the dutch style mentioned muay thai is muay thai... thats my rant.... sounded like a great show again well done gary and team!!!
    Posted: 2009-05-04 06:12:35
    i thought effective technique scored not just throwing kicks that don't have any it says on the programme for pos that thai boxing is like a race the strongest fighter in the later rounds wins the fight.which i thought was Gordon.
    there was a couple of other fights that i thought were judged the wrong decision.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 06:48:03
    Lets let this thread turn into another debate about scoring zzzzzzzzzz.

    Well done Lyn top performance against a ranked fighter and only Lyn's 5th fight, well done lad.

    And well done Jordan, you were ace again son x.

    I would like to thank Gary for putting Jordan on the show and also thank Stephen Cooke and Fikret Van Den Doel for coming over from Holland, nice people.

    And thanks to Davy and Andy for coming up AGAIN from Leeds to support Jordan.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 06:49:08

    I meant lets NOT turn this thread into another debate about scoring zzzzzzzzzzzz.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 06:54:32
    thanks to gary for havin us on the show again, and well done too robin wish him the best for his big fight in june
    colin anderson
    Posted: 2009-05-04 07:07:47
    fights of the day for me,

    robin downer about 3rd time av seen him fight and 3rd stoppage pretty impressive.

    lyn min din fight with nice strong kicks to finish the fight infact robin v lyn would be fight i would like to see in the future with both capable of finishing fights off early.

    and the paul kelly fight would have liked to have seen this go on a bit longer though but good while it lasted.
    Wee G smtc
    Posted: 2009-05-04 07:11:25
    Lyn Min Din and Jordan Calder best fights of the night for me.. Another elbow stoppage for Paul Kelly job well done mate.......
    colin anderson
    Posted: 2009-05-04 07:48:17
    a missed the jordan calder fight what hapened in that fight points early finish??
    Posted: 2009-05-04 08:08:20
    congrats Jordan and Lyn!! will this be going on P4tv??
    robert burt
    Posted: 2009-05-04 08:27:32
    aye it will be on p4.wait til ye hear the commentry you'll pish yer sels...lmao;)....only joking:L
    Posted: 2009-05-04 08:42:05
    To BrianCal, what exactly was so laugh my ass off funny about a discussion of rules and dispute of a fight decision, it might be funny to you sitting there commenting on other peoples trials and tribulations but when you are there behind the scenes doing the work and a brick walls thrown against you in the end it can get pretty frustrating. Until you have been in the situation please save your expert opinion and maybe your Laughs out loud for a night at jongleurs because i am not remotely interested in them.

    To wainey, the tactics that we used were the correct tactics under the circumstances, if you had seen the height difference yourself you would understand why we had to cover with double gloves and close the distance to counter. It would be pointless trying to dodge back from the kicks and then make an attack from such a distance.

    Every time gordon covered he closed the distance and landed more than he took. As far as i know it was effectiveness that counted but apparently not. I could see your point wainey if that was all that landed was a kick on the gloves but gordon was unphased by any of it and closed the distance every time and rallied in some good strikes usually finishing with good knees in the clinch. You would be better watching the fight so you know what im talking about.

    Im not trying to change the rules. the fights in Scotland used to be 3 rounds and all rounds were scored, we changed to 5 rounds because we weren't getting the best out of the fighters over the first 3 rounds due to nerves etc and technique going out the window. The 5 rounds were introduced in Scotland to change that and give the fighters a chance to disperse that nervousness and settle down into a fight that the judges can properly judge. It was also a better platform to prepare inexperienced fighters for the longer rounds of B and A class competition. It was at a stage where you didnt know who the hell was winning because people were just coming out swinging for 3 rounds and you would need a keen eye to tell who was winning.

    Having "Changed" the rules from 3 to 5 rounds made a difference and i would say helped a lot but now it seems fighters are reluctant to commit anything to rounds 1 and 2 and therefore why score it, now are you guys telling me that the vast majority of guys in scotland are happy doing the first two rounds and not getting scored for it, i personally feel, and i know im not alone with some of your instructors agreeing with me, (ask them yourself) in that ALL rounds should be judged with an "emphasis" on 3, 4, 5 with the stronger fighter in the later rounds winning.

    Now i could appeal the decision but unfortunately a review will not take place anyway because the individuals involved are happy with the results and you can like it or lump it so we are lumping it.

    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:00:32
    DJ_Lex1 writes:

    To BrianCal, "but when you are there behind the scenes doing the work and a brick walls thrown against you in the end it can get pretty frustrating. Until you have been in the situation please save your expert opinion".

    I have been there and done that.

    End Of.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:02:39
    Sorry had to jump back in i kinda went off on a tangent there, i was saying how the rounds were changed from 3 to 5 and why, i should have then said that because of this it is now beleived it was done to "be like the thai's" so now the judges are judging the fights exactly as they do in Thailand. I dont find that to be the case as the judges in question have very little experience at any level never mind A class fights. And the fights in question were hardly at lumphini stadium standard or style and are harder to judge because of the broader range of techniques and combinations being used. Yes as much as you want to kid yourself our style is still more reflective of the dutch, other than a few top level muay thai fighters in the uk. The variety of our game HAS to be taken into consideration when judging, you cant just score a fight on kicks! Should we not try and develop the sport??? You must also be telling me that in changes are a bad thing because its not the same as the thais. Changes have and will continue to be made in Thailand. Have we not learned the lessons of the past with fighters like Ramon Dekkers and Rob Kaman shaking the ranks of the Muay Thai elite with blistering boxing and combinations?? You just have to look at Tae Kwon Do and Kyokushin karate to see that the europeans blew it apart with there own take on the sport. Okay maybey i am just ahead of my time in my views but watch over the next few years and im sure you will come around.

    If someone who carries authority on these topics, i..e Tony Myers tells me that a weak kick on the gloves that doesnt disrupt balnce, move a fighter or psychologically affect him in any way scores then il treat it with a bit more respect but il still have my own personal take on it. Also if the person who blocks the kick then follows up and lands effective strikes of varying description including knees, then who is winning the fight?

    Also to Gary, can you please clarify this for me so i know where i stand on your future shows?

    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:03:15
    welcome to paul kelly, those elbows are getting even more dangerous!
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:03:37
    dammit! meant well done! lol
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:06:39
    dammit! meant well done! lol
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:07:44
    Sorry Brian you were a bit selective there in your copy and paste. You neglected to mention how funny you found it when you had been there and did it, I bet you were ROFL at yourself, one bonus for you will be all that laughing you must have did will keep your stomach muscles in good order.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:09:46
    Our style is more reflective of the Dutch ????? What 1, 2 lowkick

    C'mon now.
    Robin Downer
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:17:52
    Would like to say a big well done to Barrhead fighters John Douglas and Paul Lapsley both winning by stoppage and making it 3 out of 3 for Barrhead.

    Would like to thank Alan for fighting me aswell, he showed how tough he was yesterday and i wish you all the best for your fight next month. thanks mate.

    Also, thankyou Gary for getting us on the show.

    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:27:19
    1,2 lowkick is bread and butter stuff for a reason, it works and i never knock it, but i was referring to the fact that we also like to box and throw in leading combinations such as from boxing to a kick or from a kick to boxing to a knee.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 09:28:43
    Anyway ive got to jump to another thread, please dont follow me, lol
    Posted: 2009-05-04 10:16:04
    Congats to steven Meleady on a big win
    guy caledonian
    Posted: 2009-05-04 10:40:06
    Jordan and Lyn...holy sh*t. I am so proud of how you guys fought yesterday, i know how hard you train, and how much you put in to becoming better and better, and it is a total inspiration to me. To all the grip, caley, ninja, bad co pad holders and sparring abusees, awesome work. Particularly Brian for Jordan, and Tommy and James for Lyn.
    Posted: 2009-05-04 10:54:21
    well done ste great win for ye.heard you gave it to him good
    Posted: 2009-05-04 11:09:21
    well done jordan and lin, both great performances, also was really impressed with steven meleady and big ritchie.....thought the last fight was stopped a little early as the cut didnt look that bad or in a bad place but maybe was worse than it looked. Thought all the decisions were spot on to be honest, well done gary........had a top weekend with some cracking guys although suffering for it a bit now!!
    Posted: 2009-05-04 18:17:13
    a friend of mine has asked this to be put on.

    Good to see DJ Lex has not mellowed lol and he has a fair point. Thought the level of refereeing throughout the day was below par. Appreciate that its a difficult job so I ask, why is two or more refs not used. Surely Kenny Burnett or Tony Myers could bring something to this event with all their experience. With the event being so long, would it be best to have more refs working to maintain a higher level of concentration.

    Just wondering. Hope your well Eck, sorry never got a chance to catch up
    Posted: 2009-05-05 06:55:38
    my comment was purely about the double glove cover up and as ive not seen the fight cant comment. gary usually has top officials doing his shows so cant see him changing that for second rate ones. anyway hope it was a great show as it sounded like there were some quality fights on
    Posted: 2009-05-05 08:11:30
    Anyone got all the results ??
    Posted: 2009-05-05 08:45:43
    thanks 4 havin me on again gaz! gutted it didnt last tho, was shapin up tae b a great fight! lol well done paul crackin body kick m8

    unlucky john n butcy,am sure u'll b bac in no time soon n doin the buisness.

    tam mccourt is my hero! takes a fight against steven lochead, wif 10 minutes notice, has only been trainin just over 3 months! and stand his own and lasts the full 5 rounds! HERO
    Posted: 2009-05-05 09:00:11
    Fantastic result for Stephen Meleady against a seasoned campaigner in John Dicks.
    This lad is getting stronger and stronger with each bout. Well done lad.
    Posted: 2009-05-05 10:07:43
    And he was fucking hilarious on the night out after!!! I want to go clubbing with that lad again!! hahaha
    Posted: 2009-05-05 10:19:57
    Are you talking about Stephen on the raz after the fights??
    Posted: 2009-05-05 15:51:04
    Fighting at 10 mins notice? fuck that! well done to that boy, thats some big balls!
    Posted: 2009-05-05 16:14:13
    stephe meleady was a legend with his double vodka and blue wkd concuction..........dont know whether the sugar or alcohol got us first mind you cos we were all hyperactive!!
    Posted: 2009-05-05 16:23:12
    davy mac, we drank you's under the table!! "you scots cannie drink" :):)
    Posted: 2009-05-06 04:40:51
    How long until it's on P4tv guys, any idea?
    Posted: 2009-05-06 05:20:39
    Nice pic of the lads after the fight.
    Posted: 2009-05-06 09:40:30
    DJ Lex you are so right and this

    Wainey writes:
    gary usually has top officials doing his shows

    when was this? the only time he did there was so many boos he is so scared of scottish fans he goes with second rate now
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-05-06 11:05:04
    Sorry Iíve not been on here, took a few days off to recover from the event and tie up the loose ends. Anyway, first of all thanks to all the fighters, trainers and support staff that helped with this event, I really appreciate the support! All of the fighters and teams were great to work with on the day and the weigh in was very easy! I donít like to single anyone out, but have to give a special mention to Tam McCourt from GTBA for stepping in at the last minute, not only t rescue the match up, but also put in a strong performance in the process!

    Just to quickly address the issues surrounding the officials. Alex, I didnít see the fight, but Iíll phone you when I do. However, I am pretty confident in the decision of the officials and their decisions generally reflect my beliefs on Muay Thai scoring. Their was only one majority decision with 1 judge going for a draw and the other 2 the winner, whilst every other decision was unanimous, so I am fairly confident that the correct decision was given, but I will comment when I see it.

    As for the stoppage of the cuts I didnít see the Peter Tiarks cut, however I understand it was on the top of the head, so although not really in a position that would affect Peterís vision, unless significant amounts of blood, so yeah, maybe premature. I did feel that the stoppage of Gulapkaw, was wrong. He had Paul rattled from the first bell and was dominating the round trying to finish the fight early, but to Paulís credit, he didnít give up under the pressure and managed to cut Gulapkaw on the cheek, which required some stitches. I donít like criticising officials on the net and didnít even kick off on the day, as it doesnít really help any. The referee took advise from the doctor, who is the main doctor for Muay Thai and MMA in Scotland so does have a lot of experience and does often let many cuts go, so I do understand why the Referee didnít want to take his advice lightly, even when the cut wasnít affecting the vision of the fighter. But the main thing is that we learn from it and address it as a community. Iíve spoken to the Referee and going to try and arrange a meting with the main Scottish officials, medics and trainers to discuss a number of issues, cuts being one of them. We were disappointed with the decision, but at the end of the day, nobody was hurt by it and the fighters can always have a rematch on the next show if they want to.

    We always make mistakes, but this is an important part of learning. I think the officials in Scotland have done a fantastic job over the past 5 years and have had a significant impact on the sport up hear. In fact, I am certain that if you took every fight in Scotland over a year, I bet the consistency on judging is significantly better than anywhere else in the UK. Yes there is mistakes, but this is sport and I will continue to try and give the officials experience on the big shows to again help develop our officials, as it is not sustainable to always rely on the experienced officials like Tony, as there is often conflicts in shows etc, so they need to get as much experience as possible instead of getting flung in like we have often had to do in the past.

    But to get back to the show and to take the promoter hat off for a minute. From a personal perspective, I was really proud of the performance of my own fighters a few of which have only been training for a small period but performed with a good style and listened to everything I said. Also, Kieran was clinical and a joy to watch IMO, it was one for the purists, Iím jealous of your technique wee man. Ritchie, had a big psychological barrier to get past in his fight, when I first mentioned the rematch I could tell he wasnít very confident, as he felt it was by far his toughest to date, but he trusted me and oozed confidence and scary to think heís still 17. I was really surprised with Gulapkaw, when he first came to train with me he showed raw power, but was very rusty and never really showed that fighter grit when sparring, but I hoped that was just down to the Thai play spar attitude. I honestly thought he was going to struggle with Paulís aggressive style and thought weíd either win by points or Paul by stoppage, but as soon as the fight started he showed a completely different side and was so aggressive. Its going to take a few fights for him to start showing his potential, but heís only 19 and Iím hopefully going to keep him busy this year and I can see him climbing the rankings quickly.

    I had a lot of people saying they preferred the Sat night on the last event, so looks like I might try that again, any feedback?

    I should have some pictures at the weekend.

    Gary D
    Posted: 2009-05-06 11:14:17
    lmaguire1977 what was your comment about?

    Sundays are better thought there was too much trouble on the saturday night, and there has been no trouble when its been on a sunday.
    Posted: 2009-05-06 11:19:04
    gary d shut it saturdays are better. chapel on a sunday lol
    Posted: 2009-05-06 11:20:58
    I think he means in regards to the officials Gary . The guys left negative feedback without a profile I wouldnt even bother responding to him .

    Anyway can anyone tell me how Scott Clark & Jamie McTavish got on , I know all the other results . Was working and missed the show (gutted)
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-05-06 11:31:24
    I'm not bothered Phil, but on the other hand, but the thread is getting a bit sidetracked, so just trying to bring it back.

    Both won on points mate and done great! Jamie had an awkward fight with Ady, I think Jamie hurt him in the first round, Ady was constantly circling Jamie and jumping in and out, but Jamie just stalked him and remained patient (well until the last round when called him on. LOL) and concentrated on scoring well. Bubba was a kicking machine, won every round and done great for what is only his second fight.

    Posted: 2009-05-07 05:15:00
    Imaguire1977 is troll, I've seen him / her talking pish on a few threads now, he / she is best ignored.

    Gutted I missed the show, I hear that the B & A class bouts in particular were very good.
    Well done Jordan Calder on another good win mate, you just keep getting better and better, we're all proud of you wee man.
    I also hear Lyn Minden was incredible... strong, aggresive, great technique and only his fifth fight. Compare that with Waynes experience of aprox' 17 bouts and you can see how good 'Quadzilla' really is. Well done mate.

    Unlucky John Dick, I've been at his last 8 or so bouts and he's won them all, I don't turn up to this one and he loses. I like to think that's down to my tactical advice but who knows.

    Anyway, the POS shows are always good (long, but good, haha), in my opinion it's a great platform for Scotlands rising stars and experienced pro's. The POS show is a positive thing in Scottish Muay Thai, keep the thread positive guys.

    Gary, well done on another show!

    Posted: 2009-05-07 15:52:51
    well done Gary and Clair another good POS well done all fighters......everyone is a winner.
    Posted: 2009-05-07 18:07:45
    Hi Gary,

    Thanks for having us over and thanks to John Dicks for giving Stephen the chance to compete at that level, it was a great experience for him.

    Looking forward to having Gary Douglas over for our show in Dublin this weekend whose fighter Nial Smith took the fight at the weekend as his fighter pulled out on POS so worked out well for both of us as I was stuck also.

    We will look after Gary and Nial in the same way Mr O brien looked after us, so I have syphoned most of the petrol out of my car for the Airport pickup tomorrow so I can make the lads push it as you made me when you ran out of petrol and tried to pull a Deckor on us, hee, hee, sory Gary could'nt resist it. Never seen a guy so nervous as when you had to ring Claire to come get us with some spare petrol.

    Had a great time great show and a good night out after or so the lads told me I had, after the 10th shot it got a bit hazy.

    Gary GTBA
    Posted: 2009-05-10 09:27:14
    Photos can now be found HERE -

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    Another great show, far too busy for a whole run down
    Unlucky to the GTBA boys, wont be stopping any of them though! Well done to Tam, absolute hero of the day, crazy bastard!
    How was Wayne Fisher feeling after the his bought? Spoke to him shortly afterwards but he was still quite dazed. Was shaping up to be a really interesting fight, Lyn Min Din was solid though
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-05-11 17:31:55
    Chees guys! Great pics from the Wonder Kid as normal, if any fighters are looking for copies or book's give Thermo a shout! I've also got another link for one of the photographers, Wullie Marr, again if anyone is looking for any prints etc. -
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-05-13 08:47:12
    Hi guys, the fights from power of Scotland 6 are now on p4TV, i would be interested in your comments on the Conor McEwan V Gordon Ross bout, their has been a lot written on here (albeit only from Gordon and his coach) about the fight, i have decided not to get drawn into an argument about the fight online, except to say that in my opinion, Conor won the fight and without losing a round.
    i was astounded when the opposite corner objected to the decision. Conor has been taught (as have the rest of my fighters) to fight according to Proper Muay Thai scoring criteria (from Thailand not Holland) as that is the way that the fight will be judged.
    The STBA has had a policy of implementing Thai scoring criteria since 2001 when tony first came up and did a seminar (i know this cos i hosted it)he has done so regularly since, and i hope to have him back up this year.

    anyway i dont wanna ramble, im gonna go home and watch the bout myself, let me know what you think.
    Posted: 2009-05-13 15:30:00
    just watched the fight again and my opinion hasnt changed from on the day, connor won clearly
    Posted: 2009-05-13 15:51:09
    just watched it again and it was closer than i thought on the day but still think connor won, just my opinion before anyone starts moaning, im not a judge so would be interested to hear the opinion of someone like tony myers, liam robinson, rihard wain etc
    Posted: 2009-05-14 08:44:01
    id love to sit and watch the fight again but £4.99 for one event, do i get to download the fight? i dont wanna pay for it if i can only watch it online. I did not train gordon to fight Dutch style, i trained him with the proper tactics we needed to get on the inside with an extremely tall opponent. I have a pretty good idea of what Thai judging is, having fought thai style many times and scored more body kicks than hot dinners, i like to think that at my gym we can switch styles when necessary and are not pigeon holed into one, further the discussion of the dutch scoring was slightly off topic in reference to judging all 5 rounds and scoring effective techniques whatever they were. However the main point i was making was that Connors kicks just were not strong enough to have any effect, infact gordon went for a run after the fight and was training the next day without a scratch on him. I was arguing the point that it was "effective" techniques that scored but apparently it isnt. Also watching a fight on video is alot different to being there and seeing the force of a blow for yourself or lack thereof. I will add that off late it seems its very hard to get a decision in glasgow, I have never been one to complain about judging in the past and have never opened a dispute until recently but that fell on death ears. Id love to see open scoring where the judges results are displayed round by round, Good luck to you in the world of semi contact!
    Posted: 2009-05-14 08:46:01
    Could someone please list the judges and there experience?
    Posted: 2009-05-14 08:49:23
    It's very hard to get a decision in Glasgow ??? Oh dear.

    And the fight wasn't in Glasgow it was in Paisley.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:33:43
    its all the same to me!
    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:35:02
    Glasgow judges.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:36:13
    oh dear.....glaswegian maybey, just before you find time to try and correct me brain! (correct)
    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:43:51
    You're hilarious.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:44:44
    And the judges were from PAISLEY.

    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:51:18
    And Connor won the fight CLEARLY. (Correct.)
    Posted: 2009-05-14 09:51:23
    Jordan and Lyn were amazing! technically brilliant and took total control, well done boys :)
    Gary D
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:05:53
    2 of the judges are from barrhead and one of them is a snr judge, both have gained their knowledge from tony myers,they often attend meetings to keep up to date with the rules and scoring altho they get paid pennies for what they do, they put in alot hard work in their spare time. If people have serious issues with the judges and refs then why do they not go to seminars and try and become a judge or ref??? people are to happy to sit back and complain.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:08:04
    Well said, couldn't agree more with Gary.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:09:24
    To Brian: Paisley is the administrative capital of the Renfrewshire council area, and forms a continuous urban area with Greater Glasgow, Glasgow City Centre being 6.9 miles (11.1 km) to the east. Close enough and as i said its all the same to me. Im glad im so hilarious too, i love keeping you laughing, although i am getting a little tiresome of you going off topic on a tangent. I thought id heard the last of you but it seems you cant get enough of petty squabbling. If your going to comment keep it on topic. Its like trying to have a conversation with a bluebottle fly flying around your head.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:13:46
    I'm not going on a Tangent I am actually pissing myself at everything you have wrote on here about that fight. And I am not squabbling, you are about the decision of this fight. So keep making me laugh it's wonderful.

    So to keep you happy back on topic, Conner won.

    End Of.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:14:40
    To Alex,

    I am so glad you passed you Geography O'Level.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:17:24
    To everyone else: Just watched the fight again and had to pay a skiver for it, outraged! I could see Connor having success with some lowkicks, some knee knees in the clinch in the early rounds which were very close to call but for my money gordon seemed to get better as the rounds went on, To add to that Connor's effectiveness dwindled as the rounds went on. and Gordon dominated the clinchwork in the later rounds and obviously winning the last round. To Gary, going to a couple of courses does not make you a great judge, it takes years of experience to be able to call fights that are deemed "close" Now maybey the judges are doing a good job in 90% of the case but on the day i felt like the decision was not right and thats my opinion. It was concerning my student and i wanted to express my opinion. I wasnt really asking for everybody to put in there tidbit especially people who were not concerned or who have been training a few years. However you are entitled to your opinion like everyone else.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:33:06
    Training for a few years ?? who me ?? I've been training alot more than that lad.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 10:35:45
    I agree with Davy Mac, not on the decision because I wasn't there and haven't so far seen the fight, but that if Tony Myers, Gary O'Brien, Liam Robinson or Richard Wain could watch the fight then give an explanation of the scoring.

    I'm not interested in joining a debate about it but, from all accounts it does seem that it was a close contest and if a top judge could watch it, score it and give an explanation of the result then everyone learns and it can only benefit Muay Thai.

    I have so far watched:
    The Jordan Calder fight... wee man you were awesome (again), I reckon we'll be watching you in the K1 Max in a few years making the big money (I hope so anyway, then maybe you'll buy ME a Nando's, lol)
    The Lyn Minden fight... everyone told me how good you'd been mate but I really had to see it for myself, that performance was top class mate, top class.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 11:54:29
    nandos are fkin great
    Posted: 2009-05-14 12:51:09
    Gonna throw my tuppence worth in here now...

    Was absolutely gutted not to be able to make the show last week and was delighted to hear that Conor had won. To then read your both yours and Gordons comment Alex, I was was very eager to see the fight for myself before commentating and making myself look like a tit.

    Now after watching the fight a couple of times now confirms that you were talking absolute bollocks!! Blocking with double gloves and barely moving? - I think I saw it about once in the whole fight! And Gordon shifted just about every time Conor threw a kick - and also moved back away from Conors kick to avoid them (without too much success) so to say Gordon barely moved is just nonsense.

    Conor also fought a damn site better than what you're giving him credit for - he scored a greater variety of techniques in the fight than Gordon did. I will, however, agree that on the day the tactics that were employed were the correct ones to use as in dealing with a fighter with as much height and reach adfvantage that Conor had and it made for a good, close fight with a good clash of styles.

    At first I held my tongue because I thought that your post might have been just a quick, maybe harsh reaction to the result of the fight but everytime I read your original comment and comments thereafter after seeing the fight for myself just makes me think you're being a bit of a bawbag. And to quote -

    "Anyway i wont go off on a tangent and fix all your problems in one night"

    "Okay maybey i am just ahead of my time in my views but watch over the next few years and im sure you will come around."

    are you the Thai Boxing Messiah??...Gie yersel peace!

    To come on to a public internet forum and berate the judges on the show the way that you did is highly unprofessional and just plain petty. IF it was a case of Gordon CLEARLY winning the fight then I could have seen your point but it was not. The fight was damn close and I wouldnt have liked to have been in their position on the day.

    So to sum up and in agreement with Briancal ...


    END OF!
    Posted: 2009-05-14 12:54:27
    To Gordon:

    Well done on a very good comeback mate, was good to see you back in the ring fighting again. Hope to see you fighting again soon :)
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-05-14 14:15:03
    Guys, can you find another playground to fling mud in please!

    Right I said I'd have a look at the fight when I got a chance, now obviously the angle changing between 3 camera's and not being close enough to really get a good understanding of effect, but here is my description of the fight and scores:

    Round 1.
    Both fighters not really scoring very heavily, with a lot of weak round knee's in the clinch, and ineffective low kicks. However, the standout moments for me where connor kicking Gordon to the body and arms with 2 unanswered left kicks on 3 seperate occasions and 2 of these being followed by a decent straight knee, which is also much better scoring. Some decent power behind some of Connor's low kicks towards the end of the round, not disrupting Gordon's position too much. Gordon tried to throw Connor, but Connor kept his weight on top and both tumbled to the floor. The round goes to Connor: 10 - 10*

    Round 2.
    Round started of again with some low kicks from both fighters as Gordon closed range into the clinch, which generally was opened with a single decent straight knee by Connor, fllowed by some low scoring side knee's by Gordon. Connor lands a heavy left body kick, which Gordon caught and tried to trip, but Connor keeps balance with the aid of the ropes and comes back with the straight knee again followed by a heavy unanswered kick on the gloves before it again goes to the clinch. They break then Connor lands another 2 unanswered left kicks which again are on the gloves but do affect his balance and are mixed with some low kicks. These body kicks and knee's put Connor in the lead at this stage. Gordon again closes to the clinch, again opened with the lead straight knee of Connor, some decent knee's coming from the side from Connor followed by a few low powered knee's by Gordon. Broke again and Connor lands another clean body kick which is caught but Connor again maintains balance and actually manages to take it to the clinch and follow up with his strong left knee's again. Goes out to long range, bit of a stand off, and Connor lands a body kick on Gordon's gloves and puts him a off balance. Goes into a bit of messy clinch, but Gordon holds the back and throws Connor to the floor, but still way behind. Again Gordon catches another body kicki and fails to drop Connor. Good round for Connor, but again scored: 10 - 10*.

    Round 3.
    Starts again with Gordon trying to close the range, circling to his left, Connor throws a few low kicks managing to disrupt Gordon's position as he runs in then again brings out the left unanswered body kick, this again looked as if it was on the arms, but delivered with power and moving Gordon so still scoring. The second kick not as effective, in the clinch Gordon throws much more knee's than Connor, but by the time they reach Connor's body, they have little on them and again are landing with the side of the knee or thigh so not scoring IMO. Goes out again and same thing, Connor mixing an unanswered body kick on the gloves, not much effect but landing some strong low kicks and again as it goes into the clinch landing a few lead straight knee's, followed by a few side knee's by Gordon but these are not enough in each exchange. Breaks, same storysome heavy low kicks and a clean body kick as Gordon throws the low kick and followed by the lead knee again. Some mixed clinch to finish, typical of the fight so far. Connor winning the round as he continues to throw the heavy left body kick followed by the good scoring straight knee's as Gordon comes in: 9 - 10 to Connor.

    Round 4.
    Starts with Connor taking the centre of the ring mixing it with some hands then kicks Gordon on the gloves and teeps him back to the ropes. Goes into the clinch with Connor trying to land some big knee's but seems to miss while Gordon tries to punch the head which is not scoring. Gordon gets the back again and tries to swing in the side knee's, but a lot are not landing on the body and hitting arms or connors hip. Again breaks and Connor landing the double left body kick to the lead knee clinch, this single combination is what is putting him in the lead each round. A little clinch which then breaks only for Connor to land 5 good left kicks, again on the arms, but again causeing Gordon to stumble, with only 1 returned kick from Gordon, first body kick of the fight. Messy clinch coming out with a little hands and high kick from Connor, nothing too effective, until he lands a few straight knee's as it comes into the clinch. Comes out again, Connor lands another high kick on the gloves of Gordon, yes blocked but again causes him to take 2 steps back and are followed by a clean body kick as Gordon closes the range with Boxing, the kick isn't heavy, but doesn't need to be as it pushes Gordon to the side and again establishes the long range fro Connor so scoring. Connor takes the round 9 - 10 again, if something big didn't happen in the last round, the fight was already Connors by some margin IMO.

    Round 5.
    Opens with a big left straight knee from Connor before going into the clinch, can't see much with the camera angle, but looks like Gordon again being more active with side knee's, but I wouldn't have thought much scoring from it if any. Comes out and Connor throws the lead body kick, not much power and Gordon rushes so Connor doesn't land balanced and falls back onto the ropes. Comes out again, Gordon lands some good hands, but Connor squeezes in 2 kicks on the gloves, neither particularly good balance at this stage. Connor then throws a weak right body kick but follows with a much better left on the gloves, again moving Gordon. Again Connor kicks the body and Gordon catches, fails to trip and goes to the clinch. Some messy clinch with punches and side knee's, nobody really scoring that well. Left Body Kick by Connor, but Gordon wals through this one but does not answer, closes to the clinch but nothing really effective. Connor does look a bit more tired at this stage, but backs off again with some hands and using the lead kick to knock Gordon off towards the corner, then another high on the gloves as Gordon comes in to box. Connor again wins the round: 9 - 10, which means he takes the fight 47 - 50, but as a gesture I would probably fudged the scores to say 49 - 47 as often done in Thailand when a fighter makes a good fight of it.

    I know John and Rab thought it was close because of Gordon's work in the clinch, but it is hard to judge whilst commentating, but I must stress Gordon's knee's were mostly with the side of the knee and low powered by the time the got to the body, if in fact the made it at all. Connor won the fight with unanswered body kicks, some clean, some on the arms but moving Gordon, but also used his lead knee as the opening strick in most clinch exchanges, which is a much more effective and higher scoring knee strike. Gordon fought well and put in a typical durable performance as I expected and looked slightly fresher at the end, but he did not score high during the fight. As a result this was not a close Muay Thai fight IMO.

    As for the £4.99 for the event, nobody is forcing you to buy it, but P4TV provide a great service to out sport and community and to be honest, if people grudge paying this for an event, then it will simply dissappear which would be a tragedy IMO.

    Alex, we are mates, but your out of line having a go at the officials on here, I know you feel hard done by, but I'm 99% sure Tony and any other good official will think it was the right decision, but either way, time and place! Gary D is right, they have a thankless job and without them out sport would be a shambles! I specifically asked for the 3 judges for last week and this is Franks last year as Ref, so I'm giving him the position as he enjoys doing it and has done a great job for our sport behind the scenes over the years, alright he might not get it right all the time, but does his best and is always open to feedback. The judges may only have been judging for between 1-3 years, but I'm confident that between the 3 they will produce the right result. Kirsty has been judging the longest out of the 3 and pretty sure she got 100% in one of Tony's early assessments and like the other 2, have been brought through the shadow judging process monitored by Frank for consistancy and accuracy and have been doing a great job, I've also personally spent many shows discussing scoring whilst at shows with Jim Walton and have been impressed with how he judged fights, particularly a few big controvetial ones down south. All the judges were spot on and will be at the next POS event!

    Now hopefully that will be enough of the nonsense, maybe we can get onto some positive things about the show or at least some other constructive stuff. I've not managed to watch all the fights, but did get a chance to see some of the ones I missed. As I said, was really pleased with my own guys on the night, thought Ritchie and Matt's was in terms of action, fight of the night. Classic performances from Jordan, Kieran and Lynn. Great fight between John Dick and Stephen aswell.

    Hopefully not to much bad grammer and spelling mistakes, but I'm running out to training, so can't check it, sorry its sooooo long!
    Posted: 2009-05-14 14:37:56
    cheers for the rundown gary, thats pretty much how i scored it myself when watching as well but wasnt sure as obviously im not a qualified judge......... glad i seem to be getting on the right path cos everytime i think im getting a grip of it i get something totally wrong ha! thought it was one of those fights that looks close if your looking at it as a 'fight' but not close with scoring techniques hence why i said in my first post that connor won clearly then added underneath that it was closer than i thought as i didnt want to offend anyone or make out it was an easy win.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 16:17:38
    I scored it the same as well, I gave Conner every round as well.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 16:53:19
    I am expressing an opinion and i am sorry if i have offended the officials who are indeed doing the best with what they have at there disposal. I was a little angry but have since chilled. I do believe more training is needed however as i recently had a similar situation in Johnston and i disputed it but nothing came of it, even the referee said our guy won at that show. So you can see where i am coming from. Anyway i dont want to split hairs.

    Thats how you see the fight and i see it a bit differently, You could argue Connors kicks were not effective just as you have argued Gordons knees were not effective. It really depends what you favour. I think that the "kick is king" mentality is only warranted if the kicks are strong. I thought knees were good scoring techniques and i thought gordons had ample power in them to score just as the commentators said. Who both suggested to me after the match that they thought gordon had won the fight. How could you score those kicks and not score gordons knees? Ive been left with a bad taste in my mouth after all this about the attitudes of people on the Scottish Muay Thai scene and i will be glad to leave it behind.

    On a brighter note Gordon is a durable fighter who has had more fights than many of the top fighters in Scotland and deserves a bit of respect. I would like to congratulate him on his performance as i know more than anybody how he has came back from alot of bullshit dished out to him from members of his former club and he came down from 86kg to 69kg, Also he took an awkward fight with very little notice after 3 years out of the fight game to help you and give Connor a fight on this show, So it would be nice for them to show some appreciation. Well done Gordon, you will move on to better things!
    Posted: 2009-05-14 17:01:38
    p.s. I think £4.99 is quite expensive for a fight event that you cant download. If they offered it as a download it would be better because you could burn it to a dvd and watch it on the tv at home with mates instead of crowded round the computer.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 17:43:13
    gutted I missed it :(

    a big congratulations to everyone involved :)

    and after watching most of the fights on P4, a big well done to all the fighters, who are all a credit to their gyms, to make the show as good as it was

    looking forward to the next one :)
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-05-14 17:47:04
    As for the P4TV, you can't download it because then it would be open to abuse, it would be uploaded in no time and the website would make no comeback. These guys charge a modest rate for their services and I'd imagine this would basically cover the running costs of the operation never mind lead to a profitable business. Therefore, the original idea of it being pay-for-tv is going to have to be supported or some other form of income to help sustain and grow it. We don't have Muay Thai on TV and doubt we will, so this is the best thing. As I said, you don't have to buy it, but when you consider most DVD's of shows are what £15-£20 and realistically how many times do you watch them. If you've got internet aceess you can still watch it with mates, I thought you'd have had a HDMI output to the TV anyway Alex, coz your the gadget king. Anyway, the business setup of p4tv is nothing to do with me. However, I will continue to put POS up as ppv, for two reasons, first of all it gives a bit of income back to the site and secondly it makes more sense financially for me, I pay for the filming and spend a fortune on the show, so if someone is in two minds to travel to my show, then they are less likely to come if they think they can watch it for free the following week.

    I do respect Gordon mate, I thanked him on the day for steping in and above stated he fought well and put in his typical durable performance, against what was a very awkward opponent. Gordon is a warrior and its nothing personal. I do think body kicks are often the main focus on scoring and I do emphasis kicking the body, but personally I rated the straight knee's of Connor at the beginning of most of the clinch exchanges above the side knee's that followed by both fighters. If you hit with the side of the knee and in a circle motion, there is far less power. In thailand, straight knee's (they shout "Tang") and straight stabbing knee's ("Cee-up") score much better. I'm also a big fan of throwing and unbalancing, but the only good one in this fight was Gordon's. Therefore the main differentials were the body kicks and straight knee's. But you are right, its all opinions and I'm always learning and will continue to, but the current train of thought in our community as a whole is going down this path, so I guess we either all continue and try and find our way together or someone starts a new path.

    Can someone do me a favour and start talking about something else now??? Please!!! LOL.

    Anyway, next date for POS7 is 28th Nov, back to a Sat night show, will be revealing some info soon and specical early promo's soon.
    Gary O'Brien STBA
    Posted: 2009-05-14 17:47:44
    Thanks Jamie, thats more like it!
    Posted: 2009-05-14 17:55:03
    P4tv is CLASS and people moaning about paying £4.99 fook me I've lost more running for a bus. I will pay that all day to watch the fights on P4, brilliant coverage and Mel and the team are doing a briliant job. Weel done lads and keep up the good work.
    Posted: 2009-05-14 17:55:48
    Weel hahaha
    robert burt
    Posted: 2009-05-15 11:26:45
    whit aboot the"jo is on him like a tramp on a bag of chips"
    Posted: 2009-05-15 13:04:55
    hahaha oh aye I had to go back a bit to check if you really did say that :P was pissin masel for ages lol
    stevie nisbet
    Posted: 2009-05-15 15:40:36
    watch conors entrance and youll hear John O,Brien singing along to the song lol
    Posted: 2009-05-15 16:21:56
    Hahaha Stevie, i heard him
    Posted: 2009-05-15 17:27:22
    Lex ive just watched the fight and Gordon did lose the fight. I dont know either fighter so can sit here and judge it as it should be. You say above though that you could argue that connors kicks where not effective? almost everone that landed made a huge slap around the arena and moved Gordon, and when they did get to the clinch Connor had the more dominate position, ie hands right round the back of his head, pulling him around and landing good solid strong straight knees. 1st 10-10 *connor, then connor all the way imo and a few others.

    End of the day the show was brilliant as always with good entertaining fights and the judging was spot on from the fights i watched, only 1 i wasnt happy with was the last one with the Thai boy and Paul kelly (whicjh gary was pissed with too) but Gray and John did a great job, put on a great show and its not on that anyone should come on slagging any part of it, if anyone has a problem with judges it should be handled after the fight away from the ring and not on the internet, end of really.
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