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Posted: 2009-07-02 11:46:35
just watched the new dvd about his life, was real good, he was so fast for a heavyweight! comes across as quite a decent bloke, he talks about don king and called him " a slimey reched reptilian like motherfuck@r that would sell his own mother for a dollar" and talks about when he kicked his ass! see it if you can
Posted: 2009-07-02 12:07:22
seen it, very good

read somewere aswel jamie foxx might be playing him in a proper film about his life so should be good.
muay thaison
Posted: 2009-07-03 05:36:05
Legend simple as.
Bigest waste of talent in history his downfall, if only his mind was as strong as his body. Greatest ever in his prime imho
Training clip.............
Posted: 2009-07-03 05:54:58
I have seen it........really one of the things i hate wasted tallent.
Posted: 2009-07-03 05:57:40
Wicked to watch back in the day,the Spinks combo was class everyone at the time thought spinks took a dive but ne he got smashed by the best heavyweight ever
Posted: 2009-07-03 06:03:54
simply awesome, the speed for a heavy weight was amazing
Posted: 2009-07-03 06:12:33
He was absolutely awesome in his prime.Loved the way he just got on with the job and plain shorts....Bang,Bang...goodnight!
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-07-03 21:29:07

and how good was he in the recent and awesome film

he played himself !!!!!!!!
Posted: 2010-11-18 04:55:31
listen i luv this bit dud em dud em... smack lol
Posted: 2010-11-18 05:28:19
tyson was awesome.. evander holyfield knew what he was doing with those headbutts. id have bit his nose off lol
Posted: 2010-11-18 08:46:26
My favourite ever, and an intelligent bloke as well.

Some of his early displays were absolutely awesome, one man devastation machine.

Posted: 2010-11-18 15:06:26
I remember watching ITV Fight Night on Friday nights, with Harry Carpenter presenting.
Back then Tyson was a 'show-filler' with Carpenter talking about,and showing footage of, up-and-coming fighters. They were memorable because they mostly lasted under 1 round, with Tyson KO'ing most of his oppo's.
Even then, (with the heavyweight division a joy to watch), Tyson made you tingle with excitement at what he was capable of !!!!!
As others have said, he is intelligent and has an encyclopediac knowledge of Boxing and Pigeons. Agree, a horrendous loss to Boxing when he had his troubles, but am glad he hasn't embarrased himself by making continuous comebacks.
My all-time favourite heavyweight boxer.
Posted: 2010-11-19 07:27:48
Posted: 2010-11-19 12:58:27
Thing is Soldier, you'll always get your opinion questioned by those who say Ali was the greatest of all time. I'm not saying it's wrong by any means, as that is all they are ..... opinions.

I still believe if Tyson had met Ali in the ring, Tyson would have triumphed in the end. I know Foreman had great strength, and Ali used his 'Rope-a-dope' tactics to wear him down from throwing all those big punches, But Tyson's punching power was greater. Add to that his lateral movement and speed, which made his style more akin to a middle-weight fighter, I fear Ali would have been KO'd in the middle rounds of a 12-rounder.

You can't take away Ali's incredible achievements, but for me, it's Tyson as all-time champion.
Posted: 2010-11-23 06:44:33
Tyson was the full package, but then I suppose Ali was as well as he took punches, floated around, and then KO`d big hard blokes as well.

Got to be the ultimate fantasy boxing match up?
Posted: 2010-11-27 16:07:16
Watched this tonight, great docufilm!! It is amazing how someone with nothing can have everything and then nothing within so few years.

Very candid view of his existence, well worth a watch.

Posted: 2010-12-09 11:14:40
dont really see being youngest ever heavyweight champion as being wasted talent. he just did everything sooner than most heavyweights his talent was utilised would have been wasted talent if he only had 2 or 3 fights but he got to the top of his game and is regarded as one of the best boxers of all time how is this wasted talent?
Rab McVie
Posted: 2010-12-09 16:37:53
Hook, its a wasted talent because he arguablly should have went down as the greatest Heavyweight Boxer in history. He lost fights that he should never have lost due to his mental state amongst other things.

Still lots of questions surround him about his career regarding some of his fights! A talent that was not wasted would not have to justify answeres for these questions.

Mike Tyson - Living Legend
Posted: 2010-12-09 17:07:42
Tyson was one of, if not THE best heavyweight of all time. Sheer power and ferocity defined... Such a shame that he got in with the wrong people who basically destroyed him, his state of mind, and lost him a hell of a lot, including his career.

I remember the excitement waiting for his first bout when he came out of prison - the fight itself was a let down, but that buzz of anticipation is rarely built in other fighters like it was with Tyson.

Can't wait to see the documentary.
Ruth Finch
Posted: 2011-12-10 09:18:23
He is a nice man I think...was a true hero..

Boxing Gloves
Posted: 2011-12-11 05:06:08
i dont think he was wasted talent

he peaked very early, got screwed by people around him and the grass grew under his feet while he was away

Ali said Tyson would have beaten him and tyson said he wouldnt have beaten Ali. There is a lot to be said that the quality of the opponents Ali had to face were simply leagues above the ones Tyson had, with only Holyfield and Lewis being the real tests.
My faves are Ali and Tyson, not sue who is teh greatest tho....
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-02 11:58:52
Sawatdee Khrup!

It's always an academic question as who would have beaten who and who was the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Based on quality of opponent; Liston, Frazier, Norton, Foreman to name but a few, being the first Heavyweight to win the title 3 times, 61 fights with 56 wins (37 by KO)with 36 title fights, plus Olympic gold medalist.Philanthropist, political activist. What he went through and what he stood for during the 60's when black leaders (Martin Luthor King, Malcolm X)were being assasinated, civil rights protests. Yet he still represented himself and was the peoples champion.
To compare skills as to who was the greatest is not possible as they were both from different generations.
But as a human being? Who was the greatest?......... drug and alcohol fuelled past, rape charges and violence, biting ears, fighting after the bell v the above?
But I am an Ali fan and a Tyson fan will always disagree as to who woud beat who in a fight, so it's down to accomplishment alone, longevity, title defences that I rest my case ;-)
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-07 05:33:11
You say some one is a better boxer because of his achievments were better outside the ring - that's almost stupid!
It could make them a better person of course.
That's like saying Mayweather is an average boxer because he beat up his xgirlfriend.

Tyson was amazing and powerfull and exciting to watch. Raping people gave him a bad name but didn't stop him from being a class boxer.
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-07 11:00:56
If you read the above properly Ryan I never said who was the greatest boxer I wrote -'To compare skills as to who was the greatest is not possible as they were both from different generations.
But as a human being? Who was the greatest?......... drug and alcohol fuelled past, rape charges and violence, biting ears, fighting after the bell v the above?'
So not really that stupid, just an opinion, just like which is the greatest Footballer George Best or Pele? you are always going to have an 'intelligent' debate over things like this this, people have their favourites, mines Ali yours is Tyson :-)
So, to enter the 'debate' I have never said that Tyson wasn't a great boxer, but my opinion is that 'hypothetically' a peak and fit Ali v a peak and fit Tyson then I believe Ali would have been all over him based upon his foot work, faster jab and general boxing intelligence. Remember Ali fought 'similar' boxers regarding style, speed and power in the likes of Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman and beat them. Tyson peaked real early too, getting mullered by an average Douglas and then never really finding form again. Like Tyson,(although Tyson was in Prison) Ali spent 3 years in exile and came back to re-gain the World title twice more. We will never really know if Tyson was or would have been the greatest because the division he fought in has lacked any real talent for decades and therefore his quality of opponents will always be in question, the good ones, Holyfield & Lewis beat him easily - But hey, For every 1,000,000 Ali fans who'd agree with me there will always be a 1,000 Tyson fans who'd disagree ;-)

Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-07 15:16:16
Well that's not entirely true. You started mentioning Ali's achievements in and out of the ring. Personally I think Tyson would destroy Ali. He punches way to hard for some one rope a doping. In his prime Joe Louise would have beaten Ali too. Ali won some controversial fights that supposed fans seem to forget about ;-)
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-07 18:17:23
Hmmmmm Like I said we all have our opinions, but you are under the misconception that Ali would have 'Rope a Doped'. Ali in his prime didn't do that. But its all conjecture and doesn't exist except in our fantasies, it's a silly academic argument based on the premise of 'IF', So to be honest it is not an intellectual discussion but more of an opinionated debate based on our own personal views of what we perceive as who is the better boxer. It's a shame that Tyson didn't fight anyone of real note (except Holyfield & Lewis)Berbick and Holmes were shot and old fighters way passed their prime and Spinks was just a light Heavyweight who to be honest was terrified. Once exposed by Douglas as being defeatable it was downhill fom there for tyson, who in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, was a thug and a bully with a tremedous amount of anger issues (Check out Teddy Atlas and what he thought of Tyson he was at Cus D'mato's house when Tyson arrived and trained him at his short peak. Anyhow, I digress, we won't agree on this one but the one thing I will agree on though is it would have made for an interesting fight :-)
Nuff said signing off
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-07 19:14:00
It aint nuff said yet until you have a think of how heavy Ali was and ask yourself who was a real heavyweight or not. Please don't spout of your boxing knowledge to me as if I don't know anything. Why are you doing that? Do you think people don't know that Tyson was a rapist and Ali was black?

How many fights have you had?
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 02:54:13
Omg Ryan! It's just my opinion, what has my fight record got to do with anything? I retired aged 40 over 13 years ago, I boxed for the RAF and have spent 38 years studying, competing, teaching and writing about boxing & Muay Thai, so I have an educated opinion about this as I am sure you have? Just because someone doesn't agree with you it's not the end of the World! Move on :-)
'Nuff said' means 'I have said enough' because we are not going to agree, you are not going to influence my opinion or I yours. Does it really matter? I only got into this to enjoy a healthy 'intelligent' debate. Unfortunately every time I have this discussion with Tyson fans they seem to react just like him and want to eat someone's kids! Lol - I think its all about you wanting to get the last word in so I am guessing you are quite young, so go ahead, I wont reply and you can feel better - Peace & Brotherhood x
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-08 04:37:17
That kind of psychology with the last word bullshit and you being young is very pathetic coming from someone your age and someone that bangs on about experience. Showing your true colors there a bit aren't we KRU SHAUN.
You can't decide to end a debate just because you've said your bit by saying nuff said. I was taking the piss asking your record as its a thing a lot of people do on here to way up your opinion on here if you're not in the click or if you're not a bum licker. Never mind though I got the last word in anyway...... did I
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-08 05:29:32
Ali: "Joe Frazier is an Uncle Tom(extremely offensive tearm used towards black people from other black people). He works for the enemy(enemy as in white people)."

Ali: "He's the other type of Negro, he's not like me. There are two types of slaves. Frazier's worse than you to me(referring to a white person when saying this).... One day he might be like me, but for now he works for the enemy(white people)."

Ali mixed with the NOI. This movement have been noted for killing several(and suspected) people including Malcolm X.

You only read what you are fed. Try and read between the lines.
People do great things but they also do bad things too.

Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 06:21:44
Actually that does warrant a reply Ryan.
You are totally correct, the young Ali was heavily involved and influenced by the Nation of Islam and said some harsh things including 'all white men are devils' etc etc. He wasn't too popular back then was he? what I admire about him (the man not the boxer) was, rightly or wrongly, he stood by what he believed and he nearly ended up broke because of this. Don't get me wrong here Ryan, my intention is not to insult you personally I just made an assumption that you are young (definitely younger than me at 29!) because you seem to be getting annoyed over this. I don't doubt your passion and knowledge for the fight game but just because I don't like Tyson as a man I still agree that he was a ferocious fighter. But like I said it is purely conjecture, it's never going to happen, Ali's not quite fit enough at the moment but he did say he's making a comeback soon ;-)I met the great man back in 2009 and wrote about him in Fighters magazine. I have recently written about Angelo Dundee (RIP) which will go into either Combat or Fighters next month so I hope you enjoy the read if you get the mag. Anyhow, no hard feelings we both each believe Ali or Tyson were the best as I am sure many do (I even have a friend who says Larry Holmes was the greatest of all time!)
Good luck with your fight career and all the best
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 06:22:38

Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 06:27:38

Slightly off subject Ryan but as you like MMA here's a piccy of someone you might recognise (not me!)
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-08 06:39:06
Thanks Shaun, that was reply came across better.
I do too agree with your friend that compared to the rest that Larry Holmes was the better boxer in the Heavy division.
Although someone sticks to what they believe it does show determination and strenght but his beliefs were wrong.
Ali caused was a manipulated my the NOI, told what to say and told what to believ so to me that's not a strong person. He was a married man that cheated on his wife with several mistresses and hardley ever worked a job other than boxing but continued to mock othe black people for working for the white man.

He said so many bad things towards his own struggling race and also looked down upon them.

For me not a great man.

Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 06:48:38
No worries,Ali did do a lot of good things too. Seems like both our 'hero's are faulty eh? guess that's what makes them human:-)No point scoring points off each other by digging up moral issues on each of them we would be here all day, and we might end up agreeing that Buster Douglas was the greatest heavyweight of all time! hope you like the pics
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-08 07:46:22
I can see you are just preaching things you know nothing about. Malcolm X was killed by NOI, Mohammed Ali was a member of the NOI. You said that he was a political activist around the time of when Maclolm X and Luther King were assasinated as if he was doing something brave. Malcolm X's former group killed him. So Ali was pretty safe.
Ali has been quoted saying Black women should stick to their own kind like pigeons with pigeons, elephants with elephants......

On another note, how would you know I like MMA and how do you think you know my age.
Are you some sort of stalker?

Posting pictures up ok that's great.
I take it you believe that you didn’t get the attention they deserve and needed to show them off again. You have proven you are worthy now Shaun I accept you! Well done.
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 08:14:51

XXX ;-)
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2012-02-08 08:25:02
Well done Shaun this is fantastic.

Shame he didn't give you any fashion tips
Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-02-08 08:46:20
Hah hah! At my age I still think platform shoes are cool (and necessary due to my height)
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