Strentgh training for up and coming fight.

Squating around 727 Lbs for 3 reps and Im weighing around 80kg.

You fat like eddie murphy marlonee Brando fruits! LOL you should fight a real champion be stop hiding, just giving it a go!

Pmsl
I do sort of miss him now. The forum has gone all quite now lol

Hasn't it just

I will take over..........

why on earth are you showing us ...you weight training?

Thats not a squat its a sq... plus smith machines are for fairies!! lol ;) Seriously though why the one inch squat? Legs pararell to the floor or glutes to calves is a squat!!??

Big weight but real athletes dont use squat racks!!!!!!

Gotta 2nd Mick...... Can give you some good rates for Functional Strength & Conditioning advice

;-)

lol, real athletes dont use SMITH machines.
I'd be massively impressed if you could do 1 proper rep at 3.5x your bodyweight in a rack.

Haven't seen the footage as on mobile but gotta say when i first read it i thought that most be a world record as its nearly 4 times body weight. Reading posts above though it sounds like it's not proper technique.. Partial reps do have a place though, and even having that on your shoulders takes some doing!

more of a PART rep rather than PARTial :-)
On a smith machine
With a spotter (who looks like hes working hard too!!!!!)

:-)

Although...... still it is a heavy weight to rest on the shoulders and move at all

Smith machine rack is for safety.
Sorry Crippler for not being a real athlete lol, but I wouldnt really want it dropping on me.
My spotter must be really strong holding that weight on his forearms :)

Got him spotting me on bench press also. :)

is that 3 plates plus a 15?

Yeah 150kg and the bar which is 30kg.
My max for 4 reps has been 190kg + bar

Haha to be fair, Ricky Hatton used to do partials on the leg press with Kerry Kayes stating that fighters never bend there legs further than to dip the knees for certain shots or when evading shots so i think they've got a place and its some weight for a super middleweight fighter either way.

Would be interested to see your numbers on free weight bench, squat and deads dude?

Yea Mick and Ricky never got back up off his arse!!! Should have gone deeper! Lol

Hey Marlon no disrespect, just a bit of banter. Heavy lifts are heavy lifts!
Alhough Smith machines don't work the stabilizing muscles which support the joints. In a contact and dynamic sport such a fighting this should carry high importance too. Fairplay if someone lift only using smith or any other machines and don't get injuries during padword, sparring or fight then hats off to them.

lol good point re Hatton crippler!! Have to agree on smith machines. I hate them, Your fixed into an unnatural plane of movement and can't work any of the target muscles across the full range of motion - and agree any explosivve sports require strong connective tissue and stabilisers which aren't worked on the smith creating an imbalance between the strength of the large muscle groups and that of the smaller ancillary muscles. Also, the newer ones like these seem to use a breaking systemtake most of the tension out of the muscle during the negative which imo is the part of a rep you can get the most work out of.

It's almost, in fact I will stick my next out and stay it is impossible to Squat or Bench press with correct technique using a Smith machine.

But as I said many things have thier own benifits!!!

To be honest you cant beat one legged squats or split squats. Total stabilisation of the joint. Combine this with some clean and press done with explosive style.

Its down to the fighter though and if it makes Marlon feel good and strong then its job done.

Good post Mark Gibbs and very true! I miss you!! haha

I also do split legs and various other exercises.
This was to show how heavy you can lift with a smith machine.lol
We will see if it works tonight :)

Mick

I'll be back around soon. Cant find any shows in the Midlands this year at all, all cancelled.

Good luck Marlon!

The new Life fitness smith machines that are out now have movement in them, so helps with the stabilizer muscles.

Dude. If i deadlift more than ya can i have one of your belts?? ;)

300kg is my max :)

I will let you borough one :)

Marlon, you (must) have a super strong back!!!!!!!

Need to get your chest higher in the set position, the bar is to far away from your shins before the 2nd lift......

Not hating playa, just astonished & I have no idea how you havent hurt yourself!!!!

:-)

im no expert on weight lifting (being a skinny 60kg guy) but thats terrible technique lol

Don't worry I'm only 80kg. :)
Just get it up thats how I think. lol

:-)

I wonder what you could lift with correct technique, your legs should be/are stronger than your back!!!!!

Starting training with a guy thats in this years Britains Strongest Man who will hopefully get into World Strongest Man.

Will let you know :)

Smith machines for those with big time brain damage.

Too much risk? means you are lifting more than your body can handle or you don't know what you are doing.

If you cannot lift without such major aid then that extra weight won't be transfered to functional power movements, say in the ring.

The chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Smith machine protects your weak link and works on making other links stronger - in the ring you don't get a smith machine LOL

"The new Life fitness smith machines that are out now have movement in them, so helps with the stabilizer muscles."

Does this mean the machine is designed to mimic the machine not being there? :) Good gimic (but just a little bit of course.. to really get the body working the machine would have to be an illusion

The body limits power movements to what the body can handle. Strength gained in an artificially stable environment doesn't translate into real life.

Now there is a time and place some feel to build some then integrate. I think there is a time and place - say with bench press (laying down, the support system for your spine is not functioning and there for when standing the same type of movement and strength required is not usable standing to a large degree) - then later doing exercises that integrate this more isolated strength with real functional use. Now bench on a machine I think is a total waste of time...

Just my opinion based on my experiences and training

"Q: I use the Smith machine extensively in my training, but I've been hearing that it's not the greatest piece of equipment ever invented. What's your take?

A: To be frank, I don't think much of the Smith machine. In fact, when I design a weight room for a client, I never ever buy a Smith machine. In fact, if a dork asks me a question about chest training during one of my workouts, I quickly prescribe him ten sets of 20 on the Smith machine as my way of getting revenge. One of the reasons that the Smith machine has so much publicity in the magazines is because it makes a great visual picture but, as far as functional transfer, it scores a big zero. It was probably invented by a physical therapist who wanted more business for himself.

What you might perceive as positives with the device are in fact strong negatives. The perceived positives are only short-lived because, in a Smith machine, the weight is stabilized for you. However, the shoulder really operates in three planes. But if you do exercises in a Smith machine, none of the shoulder stabilizers need to be recruited maximally. For example, the rotator cuff muscles don't have to fire as much because the bar's pathway is fixed. That creates a problem when the trainee returns to free-weight training. When that happens, the trainee is exposed to the three-dimensional environment called real life. Since the Smith machine has allowed him to develop strength only in one dimension, it predisposes him or her to injury in the undeveloped planes of movement.

Exercise prescription specialist Paul Chek of San Diego has identified what he calls pattern overload syndrome. In his seminar and videos, he stresses that the Smith machine bench press is one of the most common sources of shoulder injuries:

"People get a pattern overload from using the Smith machine. The more fixed the object, the more likely you are to develop a pattern overload. This is due to the fact that training in a fixed pathway repetitively loads the same muscles, tendons, ligaments and joints in the same pattern, encouraging micro-trauma that eventually leads to injury. If Johnny Lunchpail always uses a Smith machine for his bench presses, he ends up working the same fibers of the prime movers in the bench press all of the time: triceps brachii, pectoralis major, long-head of the biceps, anterior deltoids, and serratus anterior. But he can't change the pathway?the bar will always be in the same position."

Because of the mechanics of the human shoulder Joint, the body will alter the natural bar pathway during a free-weight bench press to accommodate efficient movement at the shoulder. A fixed bar pathway doesn't allow alteration of this pathway for efficient movement of the Joint, thereby predisposing the shoulder to harmful overload via lack of accommodation.

All in all, the Smith machine is a training piece for dorks. If you're interested in training longevity, you're far better off sticking to the standard barbell and dumbbell exercises or try the newer chest machines from Magnum and Flex.
Gallery of Guinness5.0"

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"Just walk away from the Smith machine.

I started this year thinking I was mighty with a squat over 400 and a bench over 300. I ran the madcow 5x5 and everything went up. I was even mightier.

I then got away from the leisure center I was working out in with its one and only Smith machine and went to a hard core gym. At first I had trouble benching 135 due to atrophy of the stabiliser muscles. The bar was all over the place. After a couple of weeks I had a very wobbly 250. It's taken four months to get almost back to where I was.

The squat was the same. My knees didn't have the support muscles and neither did my thighs and hips. The Smith does too much of the overall work for you and I went from thinking I was almost a 450 squatter to realising that I was barely a 300 squatter. I'm nowhere near back where I thought I was with squat but I can feel the improvement almost any time I have to push aganst the floor.

The good side? My chest and legs are fuller from the free movements. My stabilizing muscles now are able to do their job in helping with the lift and if I have to do the movement in the real world I know that I'll be able to do it without having a whole bundle of untrained support muscle pop under the load.

The bottom line is that the Smith is a very restrictive machine and to train on the Smith without, at least, also working with free weights will leave you with a lot of muscle imbalances that you won't even suspect you have. Your real-world strength will be just a fraction of your gym strength and correspondingly you're an injury waiting to happen. The tragic thing is that I didn't have a clue about my weaknesses until I went to free weights.

Free weights work you much more and force your body to provide its own support and stability. You can get stronger on the Smith machine but you'll do it faster and in a safer and more complete fashion off and away from it.

I've never tried the angled Smith."

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/smith-machine-debate-thread-434136.html

Can anyone post this for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhYH_qtJrFk
An example functional workout that will kick your ass lol

Includes a type of squat

Mark L....... Amen!!! LOL
I tried keeping it light, think you've put the subject to bed!
:-)

Cheks got some great stuff. Looking at possibly doing one of his courses at some point.

Cheers dude.
Will try it all out and let ya know. :)

Haha suppose I'd settle for a loan!! Glad the smith machine things been discussed. I hate them!

300kg deads you serious? Thats got to be like world class powerlifter level? 200kg is my max but for reps - about 6 on a good day with a bit of bounce on the last 2!! lol

When you back in the ring?

The Crippler

Chek and Poliquin have some great stuff!!!

I know a guy with a couple university degrees in Kinesiology etc and has also trained with Chek and Poliquin. I asked what percentage of degrees does he use with clients and I think he said well under 10%.

I met a couple guys at a course I did. One was a trainer for Poliquin and the other was his lawyer - they designed fatgripz (spelling?) which I think are worth looking at for anyone serious about strength training that does not use the thick bars. Anyway, they know about Chek and Poliquin and a bunch of others and they found a guy they were telling me about that they thought was really cutting edge.. I forget his name but if you look up fatgripz and email them and ask what courses they would recommend you might get some different ideas. Don't get me wrong CHEK stuff rocks but there is always more....

There is a good Chek article called "big bench,bad shoulders" talking about working within the ROM of your shoulder joint when lowering the bar. The scientific back course was good but chek courses are very pricey if you want to get to practitioner level.
Your right about there being others out there. I met a guy called Michol dalcourt. The guy who invented VIPR definately recommend reading some of his stuff.

in which sense?!..

-explosive strength
-stamina in strength
-speed in strength
etc..

if the fight is close i.e. closer than 1 months then "explosive strength training" sgould be kept out...