8 man 70kg Grand Prix, 5,000 Prize Money - 28th October 2012

Stay tuned for further details...

Thai?

Adrian wedolowsi (sp) for this i'd think, exciting fighter

k1 ?

Thai or K1?? Mike Egan for this ??

K-1 :-) please

Aslan from Bridgestone Dublin would be good for this

K1 or thai?

Jordan Watsit?

Not only training in the gym in a sports-specific manner to a set of rules, but also competing regularly to that set of rules will greatly benefit any fighter that has aspirations to fight on one of the major Kickboxing promotions in Europe, such as...
...

“K-1” http://www.k-1.tv/en/

“Its SHOWTIME” http://www.fight.nl/

“GLORY WORLD SERIES” http://www.gloryworldseries.com/

“SUPER-KOMBAT” http://superkombat.com/

“FIGHTCODE” http://www.fight-code.com/


With this in mind, the Grandprix-Tournament will be under the same Kickboxing 'format' and 'scoring criteria' as used by the main promotions on the continent.

K-1 / Oriental Style Rules:

Kicks and Boxing, including Knee-Kicks.

Limited Clinch-Hold defence of 3 seconds.

Three rounds of Three Minutes.

Draws = extra round.

All striking techniques to score the same.

Hopefully this will help benefit U.K. fighters by giving them valuable experience of tournament fighting, should they get an opportunity on one of the European gala's.

A decent purse too, ( by U.K. standards ), for the lucky winner!

Thanks,

Neil
www.warringtonkickboxingstudio.com

its not kickboxing...kickboxers where shinpads and slippers

Isnt K1 or OR referred to as kickboxing in Holland and japan? Its only the Americans and the UK that refer to what used to be full contact karate as kickboxing. n France and many other parts of Europe they usually mean what the UK call low kick kickboxing when referring to kickboxing. And they wear shorts and have bare feet and shins.

Lol - whatever.

K-1's last Heavyweight World Grandprix report that was on their official website, stated that the event that Alister Overeem won, was the worlds premiere Kickboxing promotion.

Most European promoters on the continent advertise their events as Kickboxing Gala's.

There is no such thing as 'C' class or 'B' class Muaythai. Muaythai is five rounds of three minute and allows elbows and knees to the head. So if it is not Kickboxing ( Kicking and Boxing ), it certainly is not Muaythai!

:)

Kickboxers do not wear slippers. They wear pads! Why do you have to put it down? it is a different sport get over it.

is it k1 rules then?

hahaha i knew this would get some people goin...you douches

TNT flying the flag


THE FIRST 16
•Shemsi Beqiri (Switserland) defeats Yoshiro Sato (Japan) by decision
•Tim Thomas (UK) defeats Dennis Schneidmiller (Germany) by decision
•Robin van Roosmalen (The Netherlands) defeats Dzhabar Askerov (Russia) by decision
•Davit Kiria (Giorgia) defeats Kem Sitsongpeenong (Thailand) by decision
•Ky Hollenback (USA) defeats Michael Corley (USA) by TKO, round 1
•Sanny Dahlbeck (Sweden) defeats Warren Stevelmans (Netherlands) by decision
•Albert Kraus (Netherlands) defeats Mohamed El Mir (Denmark) by decision
•Giorgio Petrosyan (Italy) defeats Fabio Pinca (France) by decision

Whatever rules 70kg 8man is gonna be good.

Good luck with the show

TNT Flying the flag = WELL DONE TO HIM!

Glory World Series is one of the leading KICKBOXING promotions in Europe, as I mentioned on an earlier post.

Taken from....
http://www.gloryworldseries.com/about

GLORY events are staged around the globe and with over 30 nationalities on the GLORY roster, its events are truly the World Cup of KICKBOXING.

Its prestigious 16-man tournaments offer prize money unmatched by any other organisation in the field, with winners taking away up to $1,000,000 and earning lucrative sponsorships from some of the world’s foremost brands.


Full results of the Kickboxing event that Tim Thomas fought on,

http://www.gloryworldseries.com/news/23-glory-first-16-stockholm-results

is it k1 rules or kickboxing rules?

Too many 70kg Grand Prix style OR/K1 tournaments going on for me to keep up with haha!

Some great UK names for this! McAllister, Jose, Thomas, Watson, Salah, Fenwick, Barnhill..

it was K1 the glory thing, i dont think u can knee in kickboxing

shit dint no tnt was in it good work mate

You kick with you legs, using your shin, your instep, your heel or your knee. A lot of European gyms call a knee and knee-kick. Most Japanese also use the term Knee-Kick when refering to what we in the U.K. would simply call a knee.

'Shin-Kick' an opponent across the arms, 'Knee-Kick' them to the stomach, Spinning 'Heel-Kick' to the head etc.....

what?

how come tim dint get a thread up about fighting on this. he defo should have had more exposure big win that

well done on the win tim!!...............im sure thats the guy that badger beat in denmark last year in the pic fighting albert kraus.

Isnt this a tourney thats coming up?

yeah same guy

Tim keeps getting the results like, well done mate.

Nice fella, well deserved

TNT is doing it at the minute bombs on tour lol
surely u knee with ur knee? is it elbow kick and punchkick?

TNT best welterweight by far man glad im moving back down to fight sanchai i wouldnt want that whack, its floored thash, dicks, cambodian champions neil woods, frankie hudders, everyone its a disgrace. infact it shouldnt be allowed

only person iv seen him hit flush and take it was jordan at contender tourny... i love this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WY2xRN2VM4

and frankie hudders must have one of the best chins iv ever seen to get up and fight and win after the knockdown aswell that was unreal...tims muaythai skills are up there with his punching power now too which makes him even more dangerous...forgot he even floored that giant man in k1 2009 or when ever it was too who was about 8kg heavier than him

triple uppercut was ridiculous, tim has perfected the skills to disguise the bomb and u dont wanna get hit with that when u dont see it - horrible

Liam R writes...
Posted: 2012-06-01 09:41:53
...surely u knee with ur knee? is it elbow kick and punchkick?

Most people I have dealt with in Europe use the full description for techniques, rather than abbreviate. For example Knee-Kick rather then saying knee.

Elbow-kick and punch-kick. Posting nonsense like this does not detract from my stated fact.

Some people say 'Muaythai', some say 'Thai-Kickboxing'. For those people who may have no any idea of martial arts techniqeus or styles, you may find that it is more beneficial to use more descriptive terms when first introducing them to the sport.

After over 20 years as a full time professional martial arts instructor, I have a lot of experience about what works better and what does not.

A Knee-Kick, as seen in Thai-Kickboxing ( Muaythai )!

A Knee-Kick, as seen in Thai-Kickboxing ( Muaythai )!

A Heel-Kick, as seen in Thai-Kickboxing ( Muaythai )!

In Europe, if you go to any of the "KICKBOXING" Gala's organised by any of the main promotions, such as K-1, ItsShowtime, Super-Kombat, Glory-World-Series, FIGHTCODE, you will expect to see Kicking and Boxing, and KICKING includes KNEE-KICKS!

Well, if it says so in a book........

souphine allouche was the giant 70kg guy in the tourney that tim dropped. massive for 70kg and had had around 100+ fight then, thai and pro boxing

kick knee, so a elbow would be a punch,a bit complicated for a numpty like me

Hope it's Thai rules tbh

Tims a really guy too.....glad because he spangles people x

Tim took a great scalp in Schneidmiller


Looking at trying something a bit different if enough interest and doing the tournament under Fight Sport "k1 style" rules.

There will still be some international full thai rules super fights on the card.

Dan when will this be?

Says khow trong which means straight knee. Christophe however is the first thai I've heard of with that name, good one.

Pahahaha

Yyeah Iv read this book I think he's from germany or denmark the book was trash. I'm pretty sure he trained with berklerk pinsinchai. Have you really ever seen an ax kick in muay thai. If I remember correctly there are quite a lot of words and phrases wrong due to it first being released in german then translated into english elbow punch makes exactly as much sence as knee kick. None really.

Paulinthailand - I was asking that same question myself a few months ago and my mate put me on to Ekusung kor Rungtanakiat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gd1BAjnREQ

He does quite a few ax kicks.Mental, they actually seem to work for him.Cant remember who he was fighting but he broke someones collar bone with one last year or year before I think.A big name aswell.Il post it if I can remember who it was!

hahaha I say quite a few, in that fight I posted he throws one right at the beggining that misses by a country mile, maybe wasnt the best example!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt4Vld4v_98&feature=relmfu

He busts up sittichai Sitsongpeenong with an ax kick in this, towards the end I think

If you take the time to read what I have posted, I have said that the rule set for this tournament will be inline with what is being used by the major promotions in Europe on their Kickboxing Gala's.

Partly to help U.K. fighters be more prepared should they have aaspirations to compete on one of the mainstream events.

These rules being Kicks and Boxing, including Knee-Kicks.

Obviously not everyone is aware of the European Kickboxing scene or the sheer size of it, and the promotions such as K-1, ItsShowtime, Glory-World-Series, SuperKombat and FIGHTCODE.

Likewise, not everyone is aware of the terms used by many gyms or promotions from different countries that hold these Kickboxing gala's ( one of the reasons I listed each by its name along with their homepage web addresses ).

The term, 'KNEE-KICK' is used widely by many gyms in Europe, as a lot of the trainers have their background in the Japanese style of Kyokushinkai Karate. A combat system that uses extensively 'HIZA-GERI', which translates as 'KNEE-KICK'.

The book, 'Muaythai Advanced Thai-Kickboxing', may not be held in high regard by Paul, but it is not that bad at all and much better than many others I have come across over the years.

The fact that the author is a 'European' and his chosen translations, merely explains further why on certain European Kickboxing promotions a 'Knee' is not seen as an additonal technique to 'Kicking' and 'Boxing', but an intricate and expected technique..... as it is simply regarded to be a 'Knee-Kick'.

Wether you like the fact that some say 'Knee-Kick' and others say 'Knee', is irrelevant, as long as you realise that if you ever fought on one of the Kickboxing Gala's held in Europe by either K-1, ItsShowtime, Glory-World-Series, SuperKombat, FIGHTCODE you are aware that your opponent could also knee you! Why because the rules are Kickboxing, and an opponent can kick you with his shin, his instep, his heel, or his knee!

Would an English man argue with an American that he does not walk on the sidewalk but insist that he walks on a pavement? No, as along with literal translation you also have cultural differentials to consider.

Some cultures explain in more detail the names of martial art techniques. If you asked most Japanesse martial artsist what technique the fighter in the white shorts was executing, you would be told the technique was a 'HIZA-GERI', translation... KNEE-KICK!

Incidentally, this morning friend of mine has emailed me saying that the Japanese Kickboxing promotion, "KRUSH" is planning an event on the 12th August that could feature Englands Andy Howsen against I.S.K.A. ( International Sport Kickboxing Association ) World Champion Nobuchika Terado ( 55kg ).

I would expect to see "HIZA-GERI / KNEE-KICK" used in this Kickboxing bout, as it is being proposed as a World Title defence, under the I.S.K.A. Oriental Rules format.

Hope this comes off, and if it does - Fly the Flag Howsen!

its not a kickboxing bout its a k1 world title fight, there will be kicks and knees but knee kicks im not too sure

Neil Holden
Posted: 2012-05-31 09:20:53
Lol - whatever.

K-1's last Heavyweight World Grandprix report that was on their official website, stated that the event that Alister Overeem won, was the worlds premiere "KICKBOXING" promotion.

And if it is not a Kickboxing bout, why is it being sanctioned by the I.S.K.A. (International Sport KICKBOXING Association)?

They sanction muay Thai, mma and kickboxing

True they do, Muaythai sanctioning - as some counties refer to Muaythai as Thai-Kickboxing, hence a style/format of Kickboxing.

With regards to I.S.K.A. Mixed-Martial-Arts titles, the sanctioning is frowned upon somewhat by many in the M.M.A. Community as purely a financial venture. I believe that they do a decent job though.

Not that I mind. As stated earlier - different people have different opinions. An I.S.K.A. Muaythai World title or an I.S.K.A. Mixed-Martial-Arts World title - if people dont like it, then it is upto them. I know some people would much prefer a Muaythai association to Sanction a Muaythai title such as W.M.C. World Muaythai Council.

Still this does not detract from the fact that many people regard the K-1 ruleset as a KICKBOXING format. This is seen globally with so many media outlets, magazines and websites that refer to people such as Alister Overeem as a former K-1 Kickboxing World Champion etc....

By Sergio Non, USA TODAY

Comments
Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair "Demolition Man" Overeem's decision to focus on K-1 kickboxing in the fall is paying off so far.

Overeem knocked down Australian veteran Ben Edwards three times in the first round of their bout Saturday in Seoul...

Quick search on GOOGLE as an example of how the media regard 'K-1'. You may notice is says 'K-1 Kickboxing'

Source:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/post/2010/10/strikeforces-alistair-overeem-reaches-k-1-gp-final-eight/1

I could put up many other examples.... But I am off training now.

Enjoy your Bank Holiday!

What difference does it mean whether we call it kickboxing or K-1?
A "roll and sausage" in Scotland is a "sausage butty" in England.
"Trousers" in Britain are "Pantss" in USA.
It is just different, culturaal termanoligy.

headline news!!!!!
Ford talks sense shocker!!!! lol

its K1 unless k1 change their rules again :/

Every now and then I say something worthwhile keith :p

Dean Ford
Posted: 2012-06-04 11:25:00
What difference does it mean whether we call it kickboxing or K-1?


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Because of ignorant posts like the following...

liam badco
Posted: 2012-05-31 10:10:47
is it k1 rules or kickboxing rules?

And...

Liam badco
Posted: 2012-05-31 09:07:39
its not kickboxing...kickboxers where shinpads and slippers

Or...

Liam R
Posted: 2012-05-31 10:19:39
... I dont think you can knee in kickboxing

Meanwhile Kickboxing promotions like..."GLORY-WORLD-SERIES", with its mission statement - hoping to be the World Cup of "KICKBOXING" is giving fighters like Tim Thomas ( U.K. ) the opportunity to fight in its tournament that has a prize fund of $300'000.00 Three Hundred Thousand Dollars, while some people in the U.K. do not realise the bigger picture or how far KICKBOXING has progressed on the continent, due to 'NAMES' in the 'GAME' dissing anything that is Muaythai.

Meanwhile Kickboxing promotions like..."GLORY-WORLD-SERIES", with its mission statement - hoping to be the World Cup of "KICKBOXING" is giving fighters like Tim Thomas ( U.K. ) the opportunity to fight in its tournament that has a prize fund of $300'000.00 Three Hundred Thousand Dollars, while some people in the U.K. do not realise the bigger picture or how far KICKBOXING has progressed on the continent, due to 'NAMES' in the 'GAME' dissing anything that is not Muaythai.

K-1 Rising – The kickboxing juggernaut’s return to glory begins in Spain. Full lineup announced!


For months now, we have had heard rumors regarding the return of K-1. Then there came the news that K-1 and current kickboxing powerhouse It’s Showtime struck a deal whereby both promotions would join forces in order to put together some of the biggest kickboxing bouts since the K-1′s glory days in Japan.


Source: MUAYTHAI IS LIFE website

http://www.muaythaiislife.com/tag/its-showtime/

Official rules for a K-1 bout, taken from the K-1 Official website…


Article 5 :AUTHORIZED FIGHTING TECHNIQUES:

The following techniques are authorized,
Punches : Straight punches, hooks, uppers, and backspin blows
Kicks : Front kicks,low kicks, middle kicks, side kicks, back kicks, inner thigh kicks, jumping kicks and knee kicks.

Please note the last kick listed by K-1.… Knee Kicks

http://www.k-1.tv/en/rules.php

... Anyhoooo... Any word as to whos in this tournament? :)

Neil any chance of spamming another thread and keep this one on topic

Well done Neil+Dan.Over 3000 views with no details released. Great publicity and advertising. This show should hit 100000 views when details released. Dan always promotes a great show and this wont be any different.
Is the venue Parr Hall in Warrington by any chance?

Yes, Dan and I always use The Parr Hall for our shows. The venue is ideal, fully seated with viewing from tiered seats.

All of the downstairs will be VIP Tables.

Along with the tournament, there will also be some international Muaythai bouts, and some K-1 / Oriental style rules "Kickboxing" matches. We usually bring teams of three over for the international contests.

I will leave the details to Dan, as he is the master match maker!

Further info to follow...

Yes, Dan and I always use The Parr Hall for our shows. The venue is ideal, fully seated with viewing from tiered seats.

For this event - All of the downstairs will be V.I.P. Tables.

Along with the grandprix tournament, there will also be some international Muaythai bouts, and some K-1 / Oriental style rules "Kickboxing" matches.

We usually bring teams of three over for the international contests. I will leave the details to Dan, as he is the master match maker!

Further info to follow...

not an ignorant post it was the truth as far as it was explained to me by international sport kickboxing associations it was as follows...

full contact karate - shin+insteps no kicks below waist
pro kickboxing - no shinpad
low kick kickboxing - no shinpads 2xanklets must be worn no knees no clinching no catching the leg
oriental muaythai - lowkicks, knees, clinch, catching leg but no elbows allowed
muaythai - full thai rules apart from sometimes depending on if they are working from the old rules release or the new rules release can be 1min rest instead of 2.

hence my comment i dont think you can knee in kickboxing

defo cant knee in kickboxing

Liam R
Posted: 2012-06-06 04:37:39
not an ignorant post it was the truth as far as it was explained to me...

Fair enough. Ignorant simply means without knowledge. The world is a big place, with different languages and cultures. Hopefully you will be aware of the bigger picture and how far KICKBOXING has become, especially in EUROPE.

I stated that inline with the Kickboxing promotions in Europe the tournament would also have knee-kicks.

I posted to support the fact that the Kickboxing promotions also allow knee-kicks, as they generally follow what has become the most popular ruleset for Kickboxing, K-1 Rules.

I posted that some countries describe striking with the knee, as a knee-kick, with an example from a European autors on his book Muaythai Advanced Thai-Kickboxing.

Thai-Kickboxing... a term used not only in Europe but also by quite a lot of U.K. Muaythai gyms in their advertising. Thus showing that some people see Muaythai as a style of Kickboxing - which is why Kickboxing associations such as I.S.K.A. sanction Muaythai titles, along with K-1 style.

Then I posted further evidence from some popular media outlets such as USA today newspaper ( 3.2 million daily readership - thats a lot of hits ) and the website MUAYTHAI IS LIFE. Both of which refering to K-1 as Kickboxing, or a style of Kickboxing - however you chose to interpret it.

Finally, after being told there is no such technique as Knee-Kick, ( Japanese translation from Hize-Geri, and K-1 was Japan based ) I posted the official K-1 rules from the K-1 website.
PaulinThailand's opinion vs Official K-1 website...hmmm I go with official K-1 website.

Kickboxing gala's are being held across Europe and are using Kickboxing rules that allow knee's as part of the permitted kicks, as they are using K-1 style rules.

I am happy that I got my point across, especially after certain comments...



Liam badco
Posted: 2012-05-31 09:07:39
its not kickboxing...kickboxers where shinpads and slippers


liam badco
Posted: 2012-06-06 04:41:28
defo cant knee in kickboxing



Well, should lets hope that at some point you guys get to see some Kickboxing bouts promoted by either a K-1, an ItsShowtime, or a Glory-World-Series Kickboxing gala sometime soon.

Oh, and by the way "KRUSH" is a Kikcboxing promotion that was once connected with the All Japan Kickboxing Federation - and has adopted K-1 rules for its Kickboxing events too.

Of course should Andy Howsen's bout come off he will be aware that his opponent is pretty good with Hiza-Geri!

his opponent is a strong low kicker his knees arnt very good so dont know what your on about there...the ruleset for those glory series is k1 rules not kickboxing rules i dont get what your on about at all

kickboxing i itsa own thing, k1 is its ow3n thing and muaythai is its own thing surely?

every thing gets modified these days. Always check the rules, weight, scoring system and opponent caliber before you fight on a show. Just commomn sence. If you get beat don't make excuses, you took the fight aand that's it.

Source: I.S.K.A. website

http://www.iska.org.uk/news/article/iska_world_title_fights_trill_a_capacity_crowd_at_korakuen_hall_tokyo/

ISKA World title fights trill a capacity crowd at Korakuen Hall Tokyo.

KRUSH 11 staged at Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan on the 14th August featured two ISKA World Championship matches as the co-main events. The ISKA World bantamweight and Super-Lightweight titles will be contested under Oriental/K-1 rules. KRUSH is one of Japan’s leading KICKBOXING promotions.

________

So... a Kickboxing promotional company staged two World Kickboxing Titles... under K-1 / Oriental Style rules.. that allows Hiza-Geri Knee-Kicks!

It is human nature and common practise to abbreviate terms / sayings / names.

There is a popular sport in the U.K. called Rugby-Football. Commonly this is shortened to Rugby.

American Full-Contact Kickboxing, gets shortened to Full-Contact Kickboxing or even further shortened to Kickboxing. ( This particular kickboxing format does not allow knee-kicks ).

Muaythai Kickboxing, gets shortened to Thai-Kickboxing or even further shortened to Thai-Boxing. I dont have a problem with that. Different countries / cultures / translations etc... Heck, some people even just say " M.T."

Its not unusual to hear someone even simply saying they are training "THAI" tomorrow, then doing some "Jits" in the afternoon, meaning Muaythai and Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu ( Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu commonly abbrebiated to BJJ or as stated Jits ).

Stating that KICKBOXING does not have knee's or knee-kicks ( depending on language / translation ) is incorrect. There are kickboxing formats allowing knee-kicks, ie K-1 / Oriental Style Rule bouts as seen on all of the big KICKBOXING promotions in Europe like.... ( boring... ) K-1... Its SHOWTIME... Glory-World-Series....

Maybe some day will understand this. Maybe it is not easy for some people to understand as they are confused by the U.K. advocating 'C' class Muaythai ( 90 second rounds and no knee or elbow to the head ) and 'B' Class Muaythai ( 120 second rounds and no elbows to the head ), and diluting the style to what many people then see as Kickboxing as the format is Kicking and Boxing.

K-1 style Kickboxing allows knee-Kicks.

Muaythai always allows elbows and has round duration of 180 seconds.

If someone says they are competing in Muaythai and it does not allow elbows and extended clinch over three minute rounds, personally I regard what they are doing as a Kickboxing format, beacuse they are Kicking and Boxing ( including knee-kicks ).

There are not many 'C' class or 'B' class Muaythai bouts going on at Lumpini or Raja stadium, because...... 'C' class and 'B' class is not MUAYTHAI!

4000 threads hits...... lol!

The japenese call muaythai kickboxing so that point means nothing kickboxing is nothing like k1 or muaythai iv fought all 3 I should know. Fought kick with low kick rules. K1 and thai. There all totally different

To be honest I'm not surprised people put kickboxing on k1 events cos a regular joe wouldn't have a clue what k1 was so makes sense.

I have given you tonnes of examples of K-1 being classed as a Kickboxing style... websites... etc.... if you wish to ignore this then it is your choice.

You posted on here, directed at me, regarding my post saying that the tournament rules would be in line with what other Kickboxing promotions are using in Europe. As not everyone is aware of this, I added that the rules would include Knee-Kicks.

Then I backed this up with website links, even going as far as listing the official rules from the K-1 website. This website that stated the 2010 World HW Grandprix was the worlds premiere Kickboxing event ( the year Alister Overeem won ).

At least Liam R has posted... saying this is what he had been told. Fair dues to him.

PaulinThailand could have manned up and said, fair enough Neil, especially when I listed knee-kicks from the K-1 website.... still it is his choice.

You are just ignoring what has been explained to you.

I know several respected names from U.K. Muaythai who have been deeply immersed in Muaythai for many years, come back from the Kickboxing gala's in Europe with a more open opinion, as they have seen the Kickboxing format being used and how big popular Kickboxing format has become.

Knees and Elbows may well once have been the dividing line between Muaythai and particular style of Kickboxing like Full-Contact. We now live in the 21st century, and Kickboxing promotion know stage bouts under K-1 rules, allowing Knee-Kicks.

ItsShowtime, Glory-World-Series etc... are not K-1 promotions, these are KICKBOXING PROMOTIONS.

I'm not ignoring it I just think its aload of shit tbh, cos there nowt alike can call it what you want and ill call it what I want how about that.

Fair enough - then there should be no need for you to post disrespectful remarks, or dis-information in an attempt to derail the thread.

You can knock the cyber-bullying on the head, and I will offer relevant information to anyone that maybe interested in the proposed tournament and are chosing to look at this thread.

Neil Holden be quiet! Your opinion deosn't matter because the Mighty Liam has spoken!
He has fought all 3 so he should know!

good fight by Tim, rules r shit really breaks up the action when they have to stop dead in clinch and ref walk between them, i guess the yellow card means 1 point off and a red you are disqualified?
Shame there isnt enough money in the proper rules fights that we lose all our best fighters to to these watered down versions of the sport makes it look srappy when people punch in clinch.

I just dont understand why people prefer watching this format.Tim Thomas is class tho!!

same mate, i understand when people say clinch is boring etc and i fully agree with c class and novices it awful to watch especially if refs are shit, i can also understand the euros dont like the elbows as they get bad cuts and cant fight so often but 5x3 without elbow would be so much better

Ok jesus i'll clear it up, Yes i am fighting in Japan in August against Nobuchika Terrado (who came over to the uk a few years ago and beat Reece Crooke by stoppage under Muay Thai rules with an elbow) for the ISKA K1 (not kickboxing) World title. Where Muay Thai purists so obviously we no what is and isnt Thai techniques, there is not such thing as a kick knee?? :/ the book examples are a westerners book, not THAI. Go ask a Thai instructor in a top gym in Bangkok to teach you that secret knee kick and you'll be laughed out of the gym. Why can't we just agree Kickboxing is kickboxing, Muay Thai is just that and K1 is K1. Its not hard, K1 is just a dilute of both sports chucked together. Nobody is trying to dilute the thread Liam wouldn't do that, jesus he fights on most of Dans shows im pretty sure thats not the case. Everyone's just getting there knickers in a twist. Dan and neil good luck with the show, i've fought there for you guy's twice and a great venue and well looked after, i'm sure it will be great.

I agree entirely with Andy, it doesn't matter what the rules are, all competitors will be aware of them, and fight by them, if you want to see what could be a brilliant 8 man tournament buy tickets if you don't. then don't go.

Andy, your post makes statements that are contradictions.

You have posted….

AndyBC
Posted: 2012-06-08 09:26:38
…. there is not such thing as a kick knee??
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AndyBC
Posted: 2012-06-08 09:26:38
….for the ISKA K1 (not kickboxing) World title.


So you there is no such thing as a "KNEE-KICK" and you are competing for a "K-1" World title. Well what are the official rules for a “K-1” bout?

Lets look at the official “K-1” rules, as listed on the official “K-1” website.

Article 5 :AUTHORIZED FIGHTING TECHNIQUES:

The following techniques are authorized,
Punches : Straight punches, hooks, uppers, and backspin blows
Kicks : Front kicks,low kicks, middle kicks, side kicks, back kicks, inner thigh kicks, jumping kicks and “KNEE KICKS”

Please note the last kick listed by K-1.… KNEE-KICKS

SOURCE : Official K-1 Website
http://www.k-1.tv/en/rules.php

So, is there or is there not a technique that some people call a KNEE-KICK

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Some people say Rugby-Football, some chose to say RUGBY
Some people say Thai-Kickboxing, some chose to say Thai-Boxing
Some people say K-1 Kickboxing, some chose to say K-1

You may think that I am wrong saying "K-1 KICKBOXING", however many people across the globe have the opinion that K-1 is a style of KICKBOXING, I will list again three examples of some media outlets to give you examples of this.



EXAMPLE #1:--------------------------

Source: MUAYTHAI IS LIFE website :
http://www.muaythaiislife.com/tag/its-showtime/


K-1 Rising – The “KICKBOXNG” juggernaut’s return to glory begins in Spain. Full lineup announced!

For months now, we have had heard rumors regarding the return of K-1. Then there came the news that K-1 and current “KICKBOXING” powerhouse It’s Showtime struck a deal whereby both promotions would join forces in order to put together some of the biggest “KICKBOXING” bouts since the K-1′s glory days in Japan.


EXAMPLE #2:--------------------------

Source: USA Today Newspaper – (3.2 million daily readers.)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/post/2010/10/strikeforces-alistair-overeem-reaches-k-1-gp-final-eight/1

Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair "Demolition Man" Overeem's decision to focus on "K-1 KICKBOXING" in the fall is paying off so far.

Overeem knocked down Australian veteran Ben Edwards three times in the first round of their bout Saturday in Seoul...



EXAMPLE #3:--------------------------

Source: MUAYTHAI IS LIFE website :

http://www.muaythaiislife.com/tag/its-showtime/

K-1 Rising – The “KICKBOXNG” juggernaut’s return to glory begins in Spain. Full lineup announced!

For months now, we have had heard rumors regarding the return of K-1. Then there came the news that K-1 and current “KICKBOXING” powerhouse It’s Showtime struck a deal whereby both promotions would join forces in order to put together some of the biggest “KICKBOXING” bouts since the K-1′s glory days in Japan.



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"KICKBOXING" promotions are not hosting "KICKBOXING" bouts, with the bouts under K-1 style KICKBOXING rules.

"KICKBOXING" promotions like...."GLORY-WORLD-SERIES", with its mission statement - hoping to become the World Cup of "KICKBOXING" is giving fighters like Tim Thomas ( U.K. ) the opportunity to fight in its tournament that has a prize fund of $300'000.00. These "KICKBOXING" rules allow "KNEE-KICKS"( as they are the same rules as K-1 ).


Source Glory World Series website :
http://www.gloryworldseries.com/about

In 2011 the people who drove that success partnered with some of the world’s top financial investors and sports marketers to create GLORY, the world’s premier KICKBOXING league.

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You are soon to compete on a Kickboxing promotion in Japan called “KRUSH”, What does the media outlet, the I.S.K.A. website say about “KRUSH”. It says the KRUSH is one of Japans leading “KICKBOXING” promotions.


Source: I.S.K.A. website

http://www.iska.org.uk/news/article/iska_world_title_fights_trill_a_capacity_crowd_at_korakuen_hall_tokyo/

ISKA World title fights trill a capacity crowd at Korakuen Hall Tokyo.

KRUSH 11 staged at Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan on the 14th August featured two ISKA World Championship matches as the co-main events. The ISKA World bantamweight and Super-Lightweight titles will be contested under Oriental/K-1 rules. KRUSH is one of Japan’s leading “KICKBOXING” promotions.

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There is nothing wrong with being a Muaythai purist.

Most Muaythai purists that I know feel that Muaythai should only be contested according to the official rules of the main stadiums. If it is not, if you are removing the Elbow strikes and shortening the durations of the rounds, then most Muaythai purists have the opinion that it is no longer Muaythai but a style of KICKBOXING.

How many 'C' class Muaythai, ( 90 second rounds, and no knee strikes or elbows strikes to the head ), are being held at Raja or Lumpini Stadium?

How many 'B' class Muaythai bouts, ( 120 second rounds and no elbows strikes allowed to the head ), are there being held at Raja or Lumpini?

Not many, as most purists would see these as being Kickboxing bouts. Yet some people will call a contest a Muaythai bout - when others would not. Just as some people will call a knee-strike a knee-kick, or view the K-1 rules as Kickboxing rules ( hence so many Kickboxing gala's across Europe using these rules on there events, including knee-kicks ).

Such a long post, and probrably a waste of time, as you guys are ignoring the stated facts. Kickboxing promotions staging kickboxing bouts using the K-1 style format that include knee-kicks.

It is beyond me that you will write that there is no such technique as a knee-kick. Then state that you are fighting K-1 rules, yet ignore the official rules from the K-1 website...

Article 5 :AUTHORIZED FIGHTING TECHNIQUES:

The following techniques are authorized,
Punches : Straight punches, hooks, uppers, and backspin blows
Kicks : Front kicks,low kicks, middle kicks, side kicks, back kicks, inner thigh kicks, jumping kicks and “KNEE KICKS”

Please note the last kick listed by K-1.… KNEE-KICKS


Chose to say what you want. Don't state that others are wrong, and expect them to offer a reply.

Rugby Football..... Rugby
Thai-Kickboxing.... Thai-Boxing
K-1 Kickboxing...... K-1
Knee-Kick........... Knee

Should Japan go well for you, ( and I sincerely wish you the best of luck), if you want to be known as a K-1 World Champion then thats fine.

Dont be upset though if a media outlet, such as the I.S.K.A. website lists the winner as the I.S.K.A. World Kickboxing Champion ( K-1 rules ), as they do this from time to time, stating the kickboxing format within brackets.

Anyway, I will finish this post now with the following...

Article 5 :AUTHORIZED FIGHTING TECHNIQUES:

The following techniques are authorized,

Punches : Straight punches, hooks, uppers, and backspin blows

Kicks : Front kicks,low kicks, middle kicks, side kicks, back kicks, inner thigh kicks, jumping kicks and “KNEE KICKS”

Please note the last kick listed by K-1.… KNEE-KICKS

SOURCE : O F F I C I A L "K-1" Website

Click-Paste-Look a learn. http://www.k-1.tv/en/rules.php

Enjoy your weekend.

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I cannot believe you posted all that. Too much time on your hands lol

Neil i didnt read any of that after the first line...! Far too much nonsense to attempt to read. Jesus no need to bang all of that down. Its like this mate, all of that shite thats wrote down, its an organisation made up out 2 different sports ie kick and thai. Thats what K1 is. And there rule list is what they have made up for there organisation, so this outrageous shit of a kick knee is made up by them. I fight Thai its not a kick in the sport i do, i am fighting K1 for the first time because well, its great money, in Japan ffs and another World title to add to the collection so of course i'm going to do it, would be stupid if i didnt take the chance.

End of the day there is too much chat about all this on here, lets just agree to disagree mate, you are from more of a kickboxing background so will defend your side of stuff and thats cool. Lets concentrate on this show your having now seen as thats actually what this thread is about.

Well said Andy. Just to clarify, you won't be using the kick knee then ? Ha ha

Neil i didnt read any of that after the first line...! Far too much nonsense to attempt to read


LOL LOL LOL

I think we have another Nathan Kitchen on our hands :) , thats just a bit of jest so dont takeit too serious,

Why is this thread being hijacked anyways, Dan any of the line up for us?

AndyBC
Posted: 2012-06-08 09:26:38
…. there is not such thing as a kick knee??
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AndyBC
Posted: 2012-06-08 09:26:38
….for the ISKA K1 (not kickboxing) World title.


So you there is no such thing as a "KNEE-KICK" and you are competing for a "K-1" World title. Well what are the official rules for a “K-1” bout?

Lets look at the official “K-1” rules, as listed on the official “K-1” website.

Article 5 :AUTHORIZED FIGHTING TECHNIQUES:

The following techniques are authorized,
Punches : Straight punches, hooks, uppers, and backspin blows
Kicks : Front kicks,low kicks, middle kicks, side kicks, back kicks, inner thigh kicks, jumping kicks and “KNEE KICKS”

Please note the last kick listed by K-1.… KNEE-KICKS

SOURCE : Official K-1 Website
http://www.k-1.tv/en/rules.php


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Most people would apologise, when they have made such a strong statement, that then proved to be incorrect.

Especially when there was no requirement for them to post on the thread in the first place.

I would like to run a tournament with a prize fund of £5‘000.00 ( not bad money by U.K. standards ), in line with the rules being used on the main KICKBOXING gala’s across Europe, where the money pays the fighters what they are more than due.

Why do I want to do this? To give the fighters more experience, so if they do get an opportunity the have a greater chance of winning.

The European fighters, much like those in Japan, are training sports-specific to the rule set and competing to the rule set.

These Kickboxing events use K-1 rules. K-1 is regarded as a style of Kickboxing. K-1 rules state that knee-kicks are allowed..

This thread got purposely derailed, by comments. Comments by people that are influential . Comments that were wrong.

What is correct is the following…

K-1 is regarded as a style of Kickboxing across the world.

If you fight under K-1 rules you are participating in a Kickboxing bout.

If you fight on any of the main KICKBOXING promotions/Galas across Europe, you will be fighting under the rule K-1 style rule set.

K-1 rules allow Knee-Kicks.

AndyBC
Posted: 2012-06-08 09:26:38
Why can't we just agree Kickboxing is kickboxing, Muay Thai is just that and K1 is K1.

I will tell you why….

Because you are wrong with your statement!!!!!!

Because many people across the world regard K-1 as KICKBOXING, ( as I have shown on my posts )

Because all of the KICKBOXING galas that promote KICKBOXING and are paying fighters huge sums of money ( like Glory-World-Series, and the Grandprix tournament that Tim Thomas is participating in is offering $300’000.00 dollars in prize money ) , are using K-1 style rules which is KICKBOXING that includes KNEE-KICKS.

Because - some names in the U.K. influence people with what they post on AX “KICKBOXING” ( Not “AX “MUAYTHAI” by the way ), and if this is wrong and is not corrected this disinformation can get passed onto other people who then also become ignorant of the bigger picture.

Because there are a lot of U.K. fighters missing out on opportunities to earn big money on these KICKBOXING GALA’s due to disinformation.

I don’t post on threads for “HGH Promotions“, which has event titles like “THAI-BOXING” take over, and then features K-1 Kickboxing bouts?????

If you chose to call them K-1 that’s fine. Myself, like others, will still smile and think that you are promoting KICKBOXING bouts under K-1 style rules - despite you being a purist.

With regards to my background, and you saying that I am more KICKBOXING - using this term almost as a slur by a Purist to a person of lower standing ( W.T.F.!).

Many people like myself who have backgrounds in Muaythai chose to have their fighters compete in K-1 style Kickboxing bouts. Some chose to have their fighters compete in M.M.A. Mixed Martial Arts bouts.

This does not make their knowledge of Muaythai less than would be found in a gym that regards itself as a purist muaythai camp.

If anything, people who expand there knowledge into other area’s actually know more than you can imagine, and can benefit their students greatly with additional skills.

There are plenty of Thai gyms for example, that have fighters with better punching skills than those from particular camps….. because they cross train with Boxing.

I was very fortunate to train with, and be instructor certified - 20 years ago, by Grand Master Sken, one of the U.K.’s leading authorities on Thai martial art systems, learning Muay-Boran methods as well as Muaythai. What I was taught, is the core of what I teach, and my Instructors teach, on a daily basis.

So….

K-1 style Kickboxing rules
K-1 Style Kickboxing
K-1 Kickboxing
K-1

One person says “Pavement” another says “Sidewalk“. However one would not tell the other that they are wrong, as has been happening on this thread.


Good luck with "K-1" fight in Japan!

I think this thread should be moved to the off topic!!someone shuold start another thread about this show

Picture - Japanese fighter in a K-1 bout, executing a Hiza-Geri Knee-Kick!



AndyBC
Posted: 2012-06-08 09:26:38
……Go ask a Thai instructor in a top gym in Bangkok to teach you that secret knee kick and you'll be laughed out of the gym

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And while YOU are in JAPAN - Go ask a Japanese instructor in a top gym in Tokyo to teach you ( sarcasm ) Knee Kick...

you wont be laughed out of the gym, just shown a technique and its variances ).

Regards

I heard on the grapevine this thread was actually about a show? :)

Any news on matches?

Lol,

The plan is an 8 man tournament, plus two fighters in a reserve bout.

Three international bouts - England vs... One of these a ladies bout, K-1 rules, the other two are gents bouts and will either be K-1 rules or Muaythai rules.

There is also a possibility of a series of £5'000.00 prize Grandprix Tournaments to follow this. It would be great if we could use these to then help U.K. be more prepared for the big events in Europe that are paying incredible amount of money to fighters.

Lol,

The plan is an 8 man tournament, plus two fighters in a reserve bout.

Three international bouts - England vs... One of these a ladies bout, K-1 rules, the other two are gents bouts and will either be K-1 rules or Muaythai rules.

There is also a possibility of a series of £5'000.00 prize Grandprix Tournaments to follow this. It would be great if we could use these to then help the U.K. fighters be more prepared for the big events in Europe that are paying incredible amount of money to fighters.

Sawatdee Khrup,
It's all academic really, each sport has it's own history and roots. Kick boxing or 'Full contact Karate' as it was first known originated in the 1970's under PKA with the likes of Joe Lewis, Jeff Smith, Yves Theirault and Bill Wallace, to name a few, pioneering the sport. Muay Thai is a part of the culture of Thailand as well as it's national sport.

'Kick-boxing' as a name is more generic than Muay Thai and gets used even for semi-contact competition, so has been more 'bastardised'.

The term Hiza-Geri is literally 'Knee-Kick' because the Japanese word for kick is 'Geri' and so it's just in translation that's all, since K1 is originally Japanese.

I might start teaching the 'Elbow-punch' lol

Anyhow I wrote an article for Fighters mag some years back which might be of interest and I will post it below.

SHAUN

TRAIN LIKE A THAI, FIGHT LIKE A THAI

By Kru Shaun Boland

“There are basically two types of people. People who accomplish things and people who claim to have accomplished things. The first group is less crowded.”
Mark Twain


Through recent media popularity, either via the K1 & UFC tournaments or more flamboyantly through films such as ‘Ong Bak’ and ‘Beautiful boxer’, Muay Thai is receiving international exposure. Its reputation as a devastatingly tough and tenacious martial art is gaining momentum. However, more times than none what we are seeing at these tournaments and certainly in the films, is not ‘Muay Thai’. Muay Thai has been diluted to suit the tournament rules and/or the film audience. We see this locally at our own ‘Muay Thai’ tournaments through ‘C’ or ‘B’ class fights that do not allow elbows or knees to the face. Full rules Muay Thai is 5 x 3 minute rounds with 2 minute breaks and the Nak Muay (boxer) can kick, punch, knee and elbow with full power anywhere on their opponents body or head, the only area not allowed is the groin. Watering down of the rules is akin to saying that no head shots are allowed in western boxing, or that ‘groundwork’ is not allowed in Judo tournaments. The Thais fight full rules from their very first fight, no restrictions and no dilutions. Amateur Thai boxing, where head gear, shin pads, elbow pads and body armour is worn, is becoming more popular in Thailand and the West. Full rules are used and this is certainly the way forward for any acceptance towards the Olympic Games which is the aim for the relevant governing bodies. So why do we lessen the rounds and why do we restrict/dilute the rules of Muay Thai? The answers to my questions have been varied but the general feel is that, for one, most westerners work full time and training is done for a few hours every evening, unlike the Thais who live and train, eat and sleep on their respective camps. A Westerner may have up to 5 or 6 fights a year if he is really pro-active, whereas the Thai will have 15- 20. Shorter rounds therefore make it more acceptable for our training regimes, not having elbows and knees to the head means that, for most of the time, we can return relatively undamaged to work the next week.
There are however, plenty of fighters, here in the west, that fight full rules and they’re pretty good at it too. They hold down full time jobs and still manage to train 6 days a week. The ones that are top of their field are the ones that travel to Thailand and train with the Thais.

The Thais attitude, personality and views are so much different than our own and this provides them with the catalyst to develop into the tough fighters that they are. Thai fighters do not generally have the luxuries, resources and financial securities that Westerners have. Their lifestyle is that much tougher and therefore they cope better with the hardships of training than we in the West do. Their general attitude is to live for the day and to have fun (Sanuk). This in no way means that they are irresponsible as their commitment to their family, their teacher (Kru) and their King and country is legendary.



At a Khaai Muay (boxing camp) the Thai will train twice a day, early morning and evening. Each camp has its own syllabus but generally most fighters will start their day at 6.30 am with a 5-8km run followed by skipping and shadow boxing. Pad work, bag work and techniques follows and this routine is repeated in the evening around 4.30pm. Training is for around 3 hours each session and can be 7 days a week. So already by sheer workload the Thai will be that more efficient. Their diet is good too, the Thais love food and tend to snack eat through most of the day with one main meal in the evening. Rice and noodles provide the necessary carbohydrates for their muscle endurance.
When you have little in the way of luxuries you do not have a sense of detachment or missing from them when you commit your time to arduous training regimes. Such is the way with the Thais; their ‘hardier’ life styles are similar to that of the Mexican boxers, which forges them into the tough fighters that they are.
So you can already see that in addition to commitment, focus, tenacity and endurance, it is attitude that can make the difference between good and great.

One of the Thais greatest attributes though is heart; the language of the ‘proverbial’ heart provides a place of central importance for the Thai.
In Thai the heart is called‘JAI’. The Thais have many metaphors for ‘Jai’ which I touched upon in a previous article of mine called ‘Heart’. For the Nak Muay some of these heart metaphors are indispensable;

• ‘Jai Khem Keng’ (strong heart)
When you believe strongly in yourself then you have Jai khem keng’. If you are in the Army and on the front line and you have been given the order to advance against the enemy, you better have a strong heart or ‘Jai khem keng’. The concept is strength and commitment in oneself come from the heart and success arises from those who possess a strong heart.
• ‘Kamlang Jai (Strength heart)
A person who feels a sense of accomplishment or success possesses ‘Kamlang jai’. The girl who wins the beauty contest or the football player who does well in a game also has ‘Kamlang jai’. After an argument, when one person apologises, then one or both involved will have ‘Kamlang jai’.
• ‘Jai Yen’ (cool heart)
This is the Thai equivalent of a stiff upper lip in the face of adversity or provocation. A person may have suffered an emotional set back or disruption but he or she is able to feel (or give the appearance of feeling) collected and cool emotionally in the face of the problem.
(The above descriptions were taken from the book ‘Heart Talk’ by Christopher G. Moore White Lotus books, Bangkok, ISBN 974-8495-60-4).

More and more Westerners are travelling to Thailand to train in the various camps in Thailand. Commitment and heart are there too, I have seen many ‘farangs’ (foreigners) train their ‘hearts’ out. Some fight on the local shows and some are successful.

More and more camps are accepting westerners to train in Muay Thai and, as well as promoting their art internationally, it also brings in richly deserved income for the relevant camps.

When training at a Khaai Muay the Thais are looking for commitment and, as I stated earlier, heart. Some westerners just pop in for a workout as ‘tourists’ some just train for a couple of days. Basically you get out what you put in; the Thai trainer will take you through the rudiments and give you a damn good pad workout, however if you want to truly learn the art of Muay Thai you need to show dedication, you need turn up morning and evening, day in day out.

To truly understand any martial art you need to go to its roots, to seek out the culture behind the art and this is no more so than training Muay Thai in Thailand, training with the Thais, training like a Thai.

However, in order to fight like a Thai, you not only need to train like a Thai but you also need to eat, sleep and above all ‘think’ like a Thai


“I haven't failed. I've found 10,000 ways that don't work”
Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Kru Shaun Boland
Posted: 2012-06-10 06:21:18

.....TRAIN LIKE A THAI, FIGHT LIKE A THAI

However, in order to fight like a Thai, you not only need to train like a Thai but you also need to eat, sleep and above all ‘think’ like a Thai


Great AX post, as per usual from Shaun.

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This is exactly my point.

In Europe, the major Kickboxing promotions are staging their events to K-1 style Kickboxing rules.

Three rounds, of three minutes. Allowing the full repetoire of Kicks and Boxing ie Kickboxing.

As these rules class striking with a knee, a knee-kick, then obviously a fighter needs to be aware. The last thing a U.K. fighter needs to be thinking in preparation or during a contest is that..... "oh it is KICKBOXING rules... so there wont be any knee's... because I read as such on AX"

Train Muaythai if you are competing to Muaythai rules.

Train K-1 Kickboxing if you are competing to K-1 Kickboxing rules, and especially if you are on a big money Kickboxing tournament in Europe as this is the rule set that they are using.

Sports-Specific training, along with sports-specific ring experience, ie fighting to the same rules as being used on the main promotions will only benefit a U.K. fighter that has aspirations to mix with our European partners.

Hence the reason I have worked hard for many months for finacial backing for the show, with £5'000.00 in prize money and even possibly a series of £ 5'000.00 Kickboxing tournaments.

Maybe if Tim Thomas is successfull on the Glory-World-Series $300'000.00 Kickboxing tournament, more people in the U.K. will realise the bigger picture.

I've started reading this thread to help myself fall asleep.

Neil just stop the crap nobody is even reading anything your putting, i'm not and havent insulted or tried to insult you at all, and never have. Your just taking away from what the thread is actually about and brought my name up and into it when not needed. I am not wrong about what ive put your opinion is that i am cause you have read a shit book wrote by a crank who no one even knows. Like i sai you believe you kick knee BS and i wont, either way i dont give 2 fucks. I'm doing 1 K1 fight ffs and for the money, trip to Japan and a good opponent, i dont care about the title, money talks and its who you fight not what for. Nobuchika is a great fighter and has fought and beaten some top THAI'S under MUAY THAI rules, not K1. This is why i will take the fight. And no my comment about you been from a more Kickboxing background was not an insult or tended to be so its the plain and simple truth. Oh and while where on that The Thai Boxing Takeover HGH show featured 17 fights all Muay Thai no K1 get your facts right before trying to take us down mate. I dont care about anything you have written about the rules, the made up moves or anything else to do with K1 for that matter. What i care about is the show you and Dan are putting on and wanting to no who is actually fighting on it like everyone else who is on here, as it is all you've managed to do so far is bore us all with useless info no body cares about so concentrate on the show mate, taken this all way too far now. Jesus just stop lad :/

Andy - you have already stated that you have not read what has been posted, which is obvious as you would understand what has been written and why.

As far as my comments on HGH promotions, this is in reply to being a Muaythai purist with your opinions. I dont mind what your opinions are, but was pointing out that myself - like others also have a Muaythai purist view - that unless a bout is under the same rules and criteria as used at Raja and Lumpini, ie 5 rounds of 3 minutes and includes Elbows - then it is not Muaythai.

What you call 'A' class, or 'FTR' or Muaythai - is what I also call Muaythai. So we are on the same wave length.

What some in the U.K. call Muaythai - but is then 'watered down' to 'B' class and 'C' class I do not. This may be a purist view but thats my opinion.

it was called the thaiboxing takeover not the muaythai take over. this show is muaythai thai mayhem for no other reason other than alliteration. nice try tho

only thing i fought there is no version of kickboxing that i know of, low kick rules, full contact, all the flicky semi pro stuff, where you can knee or "knee kick" thats why its not same as k1. thats all i was saying

We obviously have different opinions.

I have mine on K-1 style Kickboxing, the techniques allowed under K-1 rules ( ie knee-kick as stated on the in the official K-1 rules on the K-1 website ).

We also seem to have different views on Muaythai.

Mine are that, like the rules of K-1, I only regard a bout as a Muaythai bout if it is under the same rules official rules, in this instance - as used in the Thai stadiums of Raja and Lumpini, ( not much U.K. invented 'C' class and 'B' class going on there ). I would not call a 'C' class or a 'B' class bout Muaythai.

Now, I am posting on your HGH promotions threads, or anyone elses that is promoting a Muaythai show and then putting on 'C' class or 'B' class bouts.

NO I AM NOT!!!


All I am doing is looking to promote a Grandprix Tournament, using the same Kickboxing rules as are being used by the main promotions in Europe, which as K-1 style, include Knee-Kicks.

I am doing this to give U.K. fighter that may have aspirations to compete on these events, valuable experience under the specific kickboxing rules. Along with this, offering a decent prize fund, by U.K. standards of £5'000.00.

Also there potentially will be some International K-1 and Muaythai bouts on this show. No need to ask me if they will be 'C' class or 'B' class.

So, good luck with your Muaythai promotion, and its 17 "Muaythai" bouts ( all under the same rules as used in the main stadiums of Thailand? ). I hope this goes well for you.

Maybe, with a bit of luck the £5000.00 - 70kg Grandprix tournament will be a success to.

Although, maybe not - with all the negativity that has been drawn to it. Time will tell.

We obviously have different opinions.

I have mine on K-1 style Kickboxing, the techniques allowed under K-1 rules ( ie knee-kick as stated on the in the official K-1 rules on the K-1 website ).

We also seem to have different opinions on Muaythai.

Mine are that, like the rules of K-1, I only regard a bout as a Muaythai bout if it is under the same official rules, in this instance - as used in the Thai stadiums of Raja and Lumpini, ( not much U.K. invented 'C' class and 'B' class going on there ). I would not call a 'C' class or a 'B' class bout Muaythai.

Now, becuse my opinion is different - am I posting on your HGH promotions threads, or anyone elses that is promoting a Muaythai show and then putting on 'C' class or 'B' class bouts.

NO I AM NOT!!!

I have kept my opinions to myself - yet people have felt the need to post their opinions on this thread.


At the end of the day, all I am doing is looking to promote a Grandprix Tournament, using the same Kickboxing rules as are being used by the main promotions in Europe, which as K-1 style, include Knee-Kicks.

I am doing this to give U.K. fighter that may have aspirations to compete on these events, valuable experience under the specific kickboxing rules. Along with this, offering a decent prize fund, by U.K. standards of £5'000.00.

Also there potentially will be some International K-1 and Muaythai bouts on this show. No need to ask me if they will be 'C' class or 'B' class.

So, good luck with your Muaythai promotion, and its 17 "Muaythai" bouts ( all under the same rules as used in the main stadiums of Thailand? ). I hope this goes well for you.

Maybe, with a bit of luck the £5000.00 - 70kg Grandprix tournament will be a success to.

Although, maybe not - with all the negativity that has been drawn to it. Time will tell.

Will be releasing initial list of fighters this week

lol

Can't be called a knee kick. The definition of kick is to strike or propel forcibly with the foot.

Just searched "knee kick" on YouTube and it just shows people doing knees.

I guess it must depend on your background. If you do Thai then it's just a plain old knee....but if you do K1 then it must be called a knee kick.

What about a punch elbow? Or toe foot? Are they moves as well ?

Lol. Or butt-head

Jamin
Posted: 2012-06-10 15:33:53

".... If you do Thai then it's just a plain old knee....but if you do K1 then it must be called a knee kick."

Some people understand, some people .....struggle a little.

I posted on this thread with regards to a Grandprix Tournament being held under the same ruleset as is being used on the main Kickboxing promotions in Europe, which are K-1 rules.

I listed the official K-1 rules, they define an allowed technique, called Knee-Kick.

I was correct in what I posted.

I posted on this thread that there are also media sources on Muaythai ( not just those on K-1 Kickboxing), that categories knee strikes, as "Knee-Kicks".

I am not 'stating that one is correct over the other - I am saying, look there different views/opinions, and some people involved within Muaythai do propogate the term.

I offer once again another example, to support what I am saying ( there are so many examples - a little research may suprise you, if you did not realise ).

Media Source:
http://www.muaythaini.co.uk/category/basics/knee/

I was correct in what I posted.

I posted on this thread that K-1 is known by the wider audience as a style of Kickboxing. I offered media sources to support this.

Here is another


Media source: Wikipedia Alister Overeem.

He is the former Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion, Dream Heavyweight Champion, K-1 World Grand Prix Champion, and made history by being the only fighter in combat sports to hold a world title in both MMA and K-1 kickboxing at the same time.

I posted on this thread that Andy Howsen would could soon be contesting a Kickboxing title in Japan.

Why, because the I.S.K.A. ( International Sport Kickboxng Association ) list their titles in the following format.

ISKA "-----"weight World Kickboxing title under "-----" rules.

As they recently listed on their latest newspage..

14 May 2012 - Women’s World Championship Kickboxing:

The Women’s 'I.S.K.A. Atom-weight World Kickboxing' title under 'Full Contact' rules .....was contested in Dijon, France ...

Source: www.iska.org.uk/

Which means that on the leading Japanese Kickboxing promotion known as 'KRUSH', there will be an...

I.S.K.A. Bantam-weight World KICKBOXING title under 'K-1' rules.

Some people are narrow minded, set in their ways, and live in a bubble.

Other people understand that there is a bigger picture, the world is a big place, and thats Kickboxing has progressed a long way as a sport.

There is not much point in explaining to someone that blatantly refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong - just for the sake of it.

For those that have followed the thread, hopefully they will either have already been aware of K-1 style kickboxing and the official rules of the format, and or now have an expanded knowledge and realise that you can strike with the knee when competing in Kickboxing under particular rule sets, as knee's are classed by some groups as knee-kicks.

jamin
Posted: 2012-06-10 17:02:40
Lol. Or butt-head

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On a lighter note - I think we should save Butt-Head or Head-Butts for a seperate thread on Muay-Boran ( known by some as the arts and science of nine limbs ).

I could exchange posts all day long on this subject I know a bit of Ling-Lom ( Windy Monkey ) style, as it is a great system.

Ong Bak, what a film!

:)

Well this thread seems to be getting very catty and scrappy lol

So is the £5000 for the winner or total fund for all the tournament??

Source M.M.A. Weekly:

http://www.mmaweekly.com/paul-daley-released-from-strikeforce-contract

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One of the U.K.’s leading professionals in Combat-Sports, Paul Daley has been release by STRIKEFORCE.

“I am personally disappointed to see Paul leave Strikeforce,” added Alameddine. “He is without question one of the most charismatic personalities and talented MMA athletes to come out of the UK. We have parted ways with Strikeforce on good terms.
“Now that Paul is a free agent, I’m expecting plenty of interest in him from promotions both within the sport of MMA and K-1 Kickboxing…

Hi Andy,

The Winner of the Grandprix Tournament will get £3'000.00 for 3 wins!

The rest of the £5'000.00 prize fund will be split between the other fighters.

I will probably get a mountian of stick for saying this but who gives a toss about all the different rules people keep making up as they go along!!! I'm Muay Thai through and through, done it all my life, but in my younger years as a fighter when we got NOTHING I would have jumped at the chance to fight for £5,000....and you could have called it a K1-THAI-KICKBOXING-KICK KNEE-SPINNING BIRD KICK competition for all I would have cared....5K is a lot of money and would have been basically fighting Muay Thai with a few technics removed!!!

The simple facts of what we do gets lost in all the back-stabbing and insults that go on in these threads. Some of us are fighters, some are instructors and some are ex-fighters. The bottom line is we have ALL spent years trying to make this sport the best it can be, all the blood, sweat, tears, highlights and disappointments has put this sport (by whatever name you choose to call it) on the map AT LAST!!!

Good luck with this event and I truely hope it works, it's nice to see fighters finally getting paid good money and great promoters willing to pay it.

Please remember one thing, weather you are a fighter, instructor, spectator or someone with an opinion....THIS SPORT IS NOTHING WITHOUT US!!!!

If you change or adapt the rules it makes the possiblity of other fighters from different arts have the choise of entering. Like K1 so to speak. I think they are good ideas and a good way to earn money.

What about making a finger wrestling competion?

jamin
Posted: 2012-06-10 21:33:53
Can't be called a knee kick. The definition of kick is to strike or propel forcibly with the foot.

I don't know where you got your definition but in the dictionary your quote is onlyone of five two of the other four are "to drive, force, make, etc" and "to strike in recoiling"
so the definitioni is contextual.

so what are the rules on this tournament?

Knee Kicks are highly illegal.

I heard Imran is going to be in this. Is it true or fake?

Going to start announcing tournament entrants tomorrow, one every couple of days.

Entrants?

Dan Can you start a new thread please :)

Sorry been crazy busy

First participant to announce is Kerrith Bhella of Firewalker Gym, coached by Joby Clayton and Kirkwood Walker.

Bhella is one slick puncher and if there's one gym in the UK with huge experience under K1 style rules it's Firewalker (just look at Kirkwood and Peter Crooke). A definite contender against any opponent!

Next fighter to announce is Stockport's Eric DeCarriere, coached by Panicos Yusuf & Liam Robinson.

Decarriere has been on a fantastic run of form of late, recently beating Marc Sargeant.

Think that will be Mark Beale Dan lol,
I fought Eric about 4 years ago :)

ah ok sorry - not sure where got that from :)

Next up to announce is Chad Sugden. Sugden trained in Newark by Dean Sugden is regarded as one of the UK's top K-1 rules prospects.

Sugden recently defeating Joe Roberts on the Main Event.

Christ chads going from 76.5kg fight weight to 70kg fight weight is he in the 63.5kg one next lol

Robin :-) Think we would need to cut an arm or leg of for 63.5kg lol... Happy to be part of this event but focused on O2 this Saturday first :-) @ 73kg

Next up to announce is Craig Jose who brings a great deal of tournament experience to the table (previously winning a Power Of Scotland 8 man)..

Newcastle's Craig Jose has a great forward style and will make the tournament even more exciting!


entrants announced so far:
Kerith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (Fight Faktory)
5th ???
6th ???
7th ???
8th ???


Next fighter announced Wednesday

how about the bodysnatcher had 40f 37w 30 by ko and still only 19

bodysnatcher deffo get stopped by all those above, paul kelly blew him over and it looked a mismatch

ryan has beat chad and lost once plus kelly fight was my fought just came back from thailand day before ryan was jet lagged and injured

fair enough if he was in that state poor lad, still looks odd from this video though.

thanks laim as u can see just a shadow of himself that day didnt wont to fight that day he was only just 18yr old my thought didnt understand how knacketrd he was paul said we can have rematch one day

Next to announce is another great young talent - Soloman Wickstead from Franks Gym

Trained by Frankie Hudders, Wickstead recently beat Adrian Wedloski on points, showing he is really coming into his own.

Tournament entrants announced so far:

Kerrith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (Fight Faktory)
Solomon Wickstead (Franks Gym)
6th ???
7th ???
8th ???


Next fighter announced Monday

Craig Jose obviously the favourite aat this point! Would like to see some bigger names.

Sam Wilson from Team Tieu needs to be involved in this now then....! He fought a fantastic fight just a few weeks back beating Eric for ISKA Britsh title, although the thing is i cant remember what weight that was at but he would be a great guy to add to the mix, he was slick in the fight the other week, looked great.

This is ace already.

Feel bad for young Chad if he draws Craig Jose, Chads decent but nothing compared to Jose, saying that, Jose is too good for anyone mentioned so far. Be interesting to see who else is in this.

What about that French dude that fought Daitan, imagine it would be no easy task dealing with them but would make it interesting under these rules.

No offence to those who are in, but there would be more high profile names like Watson, Tnt, Mcalister etc.

Dan, Craig fights out of THE FAKTORY not the FIGHT FAKTORY, two different gyms

get Wedolovski in too, exciting fighter

Agree with Liam, Adrian is awesome under this ruleset.

Thanks Andy Sam Wilson can make between 70-72kg but his fighting Chris Shaw on my show october 20th

is it first come first serve or is it a bit clicky?

Apologies Mr Jose - corrected below:


Tournament entrants announced so far:

Kerrith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (The Faktory)
Solomon Wickstead (Franks Gym)
6th ???
7th ???
8th ???


Going to announce next entrant shortly.

Watson, Thomas and McAllister all have commitments abroad around this time, however this is one of several tournaments we will be doing.

Good luck with ur show..

Next fighter to announce if Mike Egan of Next Gen. Egan has been on a roll of late, adding another ISKA title to his collection.



Tournament entrants announced so far:

Kerrith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (Fight Faktory)
Solomon Wickstead (Franks Gym)
Mike Egan (Next Gen)
7th ???
8th ???


Next fighter announced next week

Tom McCormick

Too light

Brad Stanton?

I spoke to Neil about putting Nathan Epps,K-Star in This.

Good shout

Tommi could easily fight in this

is this k1 rules iof so i totally disagree tommis style isnt k1 at all he would have to change it up seriously for this he is a pure muaythai style fighter as are all wicker guys

I think Thomas would be good in this.

The prize money for this event has just been increased!

This will now be £6'000.00.

The additional £1'000.00 will be paid for

"BEST KNOCKOUT OF THE NIGHT!"

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We are aiming to give the audiences EXPLOSIVE KICKBOXING, just as seen on K-1, ItsSHOWTIME, GLORY and SUPER-KOMBAT!

Same Kickboxing rules - same Kickboxing scoring criteria ( posted much earlier on the thread ) for the goldfish on here.

The £1'000.00 bonus can be won by ANY of the "10" fighters in the Grandprix Tournament.

The Grandpix will have 8 Tournament fighters, plus two fighters in the Reserve bout - total = 10.

The two fighters that compete in the Reserve bout will be also be seeded for the February £6'000.00 Kickboxing Grandprix Tournament, giving them a guarenteed spot in the final 8 of that event.

2013 Dan Green and I will promote a "series" of four Kickboxing Grandprix Tournaments - details to follow shortly.

So...

Prize money is now increased to £6'000.00.

Best KNOCKOUT of the Night = £1'000.00 BONUS!!!

This event will be EXPLOSIVE, and not one to be missed!

iv never seen explosive kickboxing. k1 rules will be pretty explosive tho

tommi is 66, while he is better technically, different rules and a much heavier weight no way he would do this doesnt make sense.
true abt k1 rules

Thought it was Thai rules like

I think Thomas would be great in this.

Jon Greenwood asked me to include his name. So if youre still looking for 7 and 8 he'll take 7

Hi Dave,

I hope you are well.

Dan is sorting out all of the matchups. Please contact him regarding an entry.

Ideally, we are looking for 12 fighters and actually having two reserve matches. Fighters 9,10,11,12 - if they only have a single bout on this show, due to a reserve not needing to enter the grandprix - will all be seeded into the first eight of the next tournament.

We are planning a Kickboxing Grandprix series next year!

If you do not have his number, drop me an email to neil@warringtonkickboxingstudio.com or text to 07973431818.

Thanks,

Thanks

Next fighter to announce is Nathan Epps of K-Star. Trained by Steve Logan, Epps is another great young British talent that is coming through.



Tournament entrants announced so far:

Kerrith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (Fight Faktory)
Solomon Wickstead (Franks Gym)
Mike Egan (Next Gen)
Nathan Epps (K-STar)
8th ???


Next fighter announced next week

With Craig's correct gym name....

Next fighter to announce is Nathan Epps of K-Star. Trained by Steve Logan, Epps is another great young British talent that is coming through.



Tournament entrants announced so far:

Kerrith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (The Faktory)
Solomon Wickstead (Franks Gym)
Mike Egan (Next Gen)
Nathan Epps (K-STar)
8th ???


Next fighter announced next week

who is the 8th, i gave you Shaun Faceys name and record plus he has beaten numbers 6 and 7 on that list already, granted both at A class Thai but he can fight these rules also if we adjust his training accordingly, in fact Shaun is on a show in Ireland tommorrow fighting similar rules.

Will need to know asap because getting offers all the time for fights and also going to Thailand sometime to fight

Shaun also beat Jon Greenwood at ukmf 4 nations 2011 under Amateur rules at -75kg

Thanks Dan LOL

And that loss under those unrealistic rules is why Jon has no interest in amateur contest.

I thought the rules was exactly the same ?

I hope Shaun gets in, would like to see him fight mike on a neutral show, thought mike was robbed in Cardiff

We can rematch Shaun and Mike also on a different show would have done it on Mikes show but Shaun was going to Thailand with his missus to see her family. Would like to have that rematch as it was a good fight

Thanks lee, we'd like that too, see you at the show mate

ryan edmundson was upset by with laim robinson
because feels that one of the poeple he looks up to thinks
he a bad fighter after one bad night when was 18yrs ?
so as ryan being a warrior ask me to match him and laim k1
laim turned the fight dowm at k1 which a shame
as ryan a good kickboxer and laim great thai boxer and a chance
ryan show laim how good he is .plus k1 is the middle ground

if the money is there ill do it im 66kg that bout was 73kg but ill do k1 at 73kg for right money, however i dont think i was ryan, ive offered you some of my lads who do K1 for him but you didnt take it, Sam is happy to fight him thai or K1, i didnt say he was a bad fighter i said he isnt good enough to be in an 8 man with the top 7 in the country, which is true, that doesnt make him a bad fighter esp at his age does it.

laim ware did 73kg come from ryan fights
at 69kg ? we ask u to fight him at k1 got a
no as u do thai only ? i ll pay u to fight in bristol
or will be happy for ryan to fight u k1 anyware
be a classic fight and a chance ryan to
prove himself v one of the best

Edmundson would get destroyed.

dean love proving u wrong x

I'm just being realistic mate, Liam Robinson is top drawer.

good wont to fight best dean and like to be under dog haha x

Countdown - just 11 Weeks to go!

Where is this event being held and how much are tickets? It may say further up but it's a bit difficult to find. I've never watched K1 style fights so depending on where it is and how much the tickets are I may come to the show. Thanks

yup Neil 11 weeks to go and so far it's a 7 man tournement

Final fighter to announce is the exciting, hard hitting Adrian Wedlowski!

Wedlowski had a great win earlier this year over Stuart Kemp but also lost a close points fight to Solomon Wickstead - definitely one of the top 70 kilo fighters in the UK. Makes this one of the best tournament line ups in the UK for some time.



8-man tournament:

Kerrith Bhella (Firewalker)
Eric Decarriere (Stockport Thai)
Chad Sudgen (Newark Martial Arts)
Craig Jose (The Faktory)
Solomon Wickstead (Franks Gym)
Mike Egan (Next Gen)
Nathan Epps (K-STar)
Adrain Wedlowski (Caledonian)



reserve bouts still to be announced

Can't wait send us 100 standard tickets ASAP Also want that VIP table mate we discussed.

Posters :-)

Great line up Dan

Will hopefully be there to cheer Nathan on at this event.

That's a great line up, good mix of youth v experience, I will hopefully be there to cheer my boy Craig Jose on. I am biased but he has to be a clear favourite for this, although in a tournament format under K1 type rules anything can happen. Will look forward to this one.

Dan are fighters allowed to wear their own gloves?

I am looking forward to this show, not long left now.