CLASH/FIGHTS/ SURREY cont:...

CLASH/FIGHTS/ SURREY cont:...

zebedee




zebedee writes:

Hi everyone!

I would like to say a very big thank you to everyone that helped myself and Gary with the show.
As everyone saw who was there, we went for a much bigger venue this time, and it backfired a bit!! Thank God for sponsors!!!!!

Well done to BOTH Adam and Imran who fought a very hard fight. I actually scored it a draw, but everyone agreed it was such a close fight, picking a winner was hard. Although it is congratulations to Adam, I feel it was very hard luck on Imran. I don't think either of them deserved to lose. I think a rematch has to happen!!!!

Great fight between Simon Dimitri and Chris Ballard!! Both their original opponents had pulled out, so Simon agreed to fight Full Contact rules.
Chris hit Simon with the first punch he through and it looked all over, with Simon looking like he was never going to recover, but not only did he get over the terrible start, he then put Chris down in the 2nd, and won on points.
Roll on Turner Vs Dimitri!!!!

As for the Woking guys!
Sheree Halliday lost a points decision against Candy Berry from Northern Spirit. This was a novice bout, although Candy had had 2 fights but was giving away 4 kilos.

Brett Trefry knocked out Andy Morris from Bolton in the 3rd round with a perfect right hand. The fight was very close in the first 2 rounds.
Thanks again Sandy for bringing Andy down (Oh and while I think about it, I think I know who nicked your pads!!! I'll tell you on the phone!)

Well done to all the fighters, and I'll try and get all the results posted as soon as my brain has recovered!!

Many thanks to Shaun and Sandy for the commentating, I can't wait to hear it! And for Kieran for stepping in when Sandy was cornering.


Now..... I've said my piece!!! Hit me with the critism!! Constructed of course!!!

zebedee




zebedee writes:

Ooops!! nearly forgot the highlight of the whole show!!!

The streaker running on (with shorts on, thank god!)after Eddie Beale had beaten Lee Tate. I may be wrong, but we could be the first tournament to have a streaker!!!
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Dave Jackson
dajhm1@aol.com
www.warrington-thaiboxing.com


Dave Jackson writes:

Mmm....OK! Constructive critisism....

Did you realise that the bar was two floors up from the fights!!! Man my legs are sore! :)
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Bill Judd




Bill Judd writes:

I must take issue with you when you say" everyone agreed and it was hard to pick a winner"all of the trainers including Pele ,Mr harding,and the ringside commentators Sandy and Saun that I spoke to gave Imran the fight because Imran`s tactics of clinching and Kneeing were very effective in neutralsing adams boxing skills. With the exception of round three where Adam landed a very good right cross giving Imran a eight count . The only explanation I can think of is that the judges (well at least two ,because there was a big discrepance in the scoring)did not score knees ,perhaps they are from a a kickboxing background.Imran followed his game plan to the letter and feels very hard done bye It was not a pretty fight but a effective one. Dose The I.S.K.A (the sanctioning body)score effective use of the knee in Thai boxing?I do not feel it was a case of Adam giving a poor performance he is with out doubt one of the most talented youngsters in the country it was a case of Imran using tactics in his fight plan to secure a victory.I just did not allow for the fact that Knees where not a scoring weapon in this contest.
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zebedee




zebedee writes:

Sorry Dave.... We were going to have a bar in the hall, but they decided that "our sort of crowd" might be a problem!!


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Colin.H
Colin@britishthaiboxing.co.uk



Colin.H writes:

Bill Judd.
Not that i need to say this to you, you have spent so long in kickboxing, but...
It is often the case that there is no directive from the sanctioning body as to scoring systems. The promoter just pays their money and you have a sanction.
If judge a, b, and c were to score this fight and then were judging at 'muaythai titles r us' sanctioned show, they would have read it the same way... probably.
I didn't see the fight (but these scenario's make me want to so i can see how i would have scored it) but it's usually the judges and not the sanction.
What was the discrepancy in the scoring?


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THANKS ZEBS and GAry true GENTS of the SPORT
SANDY HOLT
sandythai34@hotmail.com
www.thaiboxing.co.uk


SANDY HOLT writes:

this is a quickie to say thanks for the show ! SHAME re: so many pullouts messing you about ! GREAT venue !
and ANDYS fight was a good un for a c-class and was all even ? ! a smidge in front ? BUT Brett Tefrys punch did the do !! well done to him and Woking thai ! (Andy is GUTTED by the way ! :( he felt he let me and his camp down Badly ! )

RE: the bald dwarf ?? ( sounds funny coming from me ! hhahaha ) who I think NICKED my 2 Thai-Pads from the RED corner changing room ! ( he took a couple of pairs of gloves too i beleive ? ! )
Tell him if i dont get em back hes gonna get his ass kicked big time ! please

RE: the last fight Imran and Adam ! fight will comment later !
Meanwhile im recovering from a 6 hous up for 24 hours trip to Surrey ! hahaah !
call me SANDY CABS !!
as well as SANDY CAPS !!!!! lol
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zebedee




zebedee writes:

Thanks Sandy,

But please, Andy didn't let anyone down. He was fighting a tremendous fight, and I would probably agree with you that he was looking the fighter more likely to win, but then Brett pulled out a brilliant punch that would have stopped anyone.

Andy is a top fighter, and I'm sure you feel he has done you and your club proud.


P.S You are right on the bald dwarf!!! One of my runners thinks he may have seen him with your pads!
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Grafter




Grafter writes:

"To produce a good score the technique should have a visible effect on an opponent."

"The most important or best scoring techniques in MuayThai are those that have the greatest effect on the opponent. In both amateur and professional competition it is not the number or variety of techniques delivered but their effectiveness that is important in determining the winner of a fight."

found this in an Article by Tony Myers about Muaythai judging......

your say ?

Oi!!! What's wrong with the thread I started???

LOL

"Sorry Dave.... We were going to have a bar in the hall, but they decided that "our sort of crowd" might be a problem!! "

How can people's perceptions be changed about this - I reckon there would have been problems had it been a Rugby Club dinner or something, but of course cos we do Muay Thai we are all psychopaths.

Hello all,

Following on from Bill's (Judd) comments regarding the Shah v Johnson fight. I was commentating ringside and therefore judging the fight as we commentate (if you know what I mean)

Before I tell you who I think won, I would like to say this:

Adam Johnson, providing he stays with the sport, trains hard, stays disciplined, and learns from his mistakes will be a tremendous fighter and has the ability at such a young age to go all the way. Phil (Williams) has unearthed a fantastic talent. He has the ability and talent to fight anyone in this country at his weight and give it another year, match him up to the ultimate test of the Thai's (who are unquestionably the strongest race at this weight). He has an excellent amateur & adult record, a very high knockout percentage (which is quite rare at his weight) and seems like a nice kid. He wants to fight as often as possible and will fight anyone at his weight...all this and he is ONLY 16 years old!! What a great talent we have I will look forward to seeing him dominate his weight division in the coming years.

However, in my honest opinion, he did not win the fight (apologies if this upsets anyone, but it is my opinion) Shah's style and battleplan was not crowd - pleasing or stylish, but he cut down the space and worked very hard against a very dangerous and cool (too cool, for my liking) opponent. When Johnson got distance between himself and Shah you really could tell that Johnson was a powerful puncher with a decent right hand. However, he seldom managed to do this and I had Shah winning 4 rounds with Johnson winning the third 10-8, making Shah the overall winner. Shah, threw more kicks and knees which I always believe score more points, regardless of what organisation the fight was fought under. I can understand if people called it a draw, cos all it would take is to score one of the rounds in Johnsons favour, but to award the fight to Johnson I thought was harsh. However, I am not a judge, have never judged, and I appreciate that it can be a very difficult job and like life itself - it's all about opinions.

Johnson was never in trouble in the fight at any stage, and Shah was in trouble at the very end of the third when Johnson caught him with a tremendously quick right hand and Shah was saved by the Bell, but Shahs' tactics, heart, work rate and ability to neutralise Johnsons superior boxing techniques worked wonders.

I know Phil/Adam visit this site and I will be interested in hearing their opinions as Phil was very vocal during and after the fight.

Congratulations to Adam, I have heard that some decisions have gone against your way in recent times so maybe it's a case of 'What goes around come's around', and in this game you need to take all the luck you can get. I will definately look out for you in the future, you are definatly Britain's most exciting prospect.

As to Imran and Bill - unlucky, you fought the 'right fight' but unfortunately the judges didn't see it your way. Imran showed how clever a fighter he is, and how well he listens to his corner and showed that he is very tough, solid and determined and improves on every performance.

I know it's a cliche, but........Rematch?

I'll pay for a ticket - anyone else??

Yug.

We were really upset by there comment (at first they tried to tell us that they couldn't get a licence in time, but then I found out the truth!!)
I put forward the argument about there being more trouble at other sport events but I got lots of nods in sympathy, but nothing else!!

It's rare that you'll see too much trouble at a thai/kickboxing show although we all know it does happen. It's up to the promoters to ensure they have adequate security to deal with it if it happens.

As for Shaun..... Good comments mate, and many thanks for all your help on Saturday, even if you did have to spend the evening sparring with the Holt man!!
LOL

TWO COMMENTS. 1st - trouble is a concern whenever different sets of fans get together in any sport, especially when there is drink. FACT: often unless they are "well oiled" and enjoying themselves the atmosphere can be a bit dead. I'm not talking about purists here, i'm talking about those who like a fight night or who have come to expereience a friend fighting. On my shows we tell all of the fighters not to sell tickets to known assholes. Our security staff are well known locally and very clued up. they know who the groups of assholes are and the assholes know that my show is not the place to be an asshole. Also, i spend money on security and always make sure that there is plenty with leaders in each group. It will never cut it out completely but it cuts down the possibility. With that said our last show was the first time in ten years that we have had some trouble. And then it was two assholes arguing about something outside of the show. They just happenned to bump into one another. It was over in 3 seconds and our security took them out quietly to be enlightened. Its the best you can do, but unfortunately normal people will always go ass tight at the prospect of a hall full of fighters.
2nd Comment: Who is the bald dwarf. name and shame him now! thieving bastard filth who steals from his fellow man.
THE BULLDOG DEMANDS JUSTICE AND WILL BE HAPPY TO EDUCATE THE PERSON CONCERNED!!

We aren't 100% it is the drunk bald dwarf.

Don't worry, I've put the Terminator-Gary ' Smiler' Turner on a mission to track down and destroy, and to return any hostage pads!!

just in case anyone doesnt know what we are going on about ??
Well zebs and Gary had a big hassle with a Instructor who was complaining to the WHOLE hall about his fighter who was unfortunatly losing and was about to be stopped ! was caught ( what looked from MY and SEAN's view point) was a low kick across the front / top of the legs ! BUT he was going down anyway from a few good punches !
THE trainer as NOW known as the:- "BALD drunk Dwarf" !
decided to tell the crowd in full view of the sky t.v. too ! to FU*K OFF !!!!!!!
the crowd BOOED him !
Not at all professional !
Then as we all went to get back to the changing rooms at the end of the fights "! MY `2` sandee thai-pads went SHAZZAM ! and dissapeared !
and a pair or 2 of the sponsors gloves too ! i beleive !

Please can you get me his tel: number as i will contact him myself ! you and Gary had / have enough hassle with all the fights pulling out ! on what could have been a FANTASTIC night of fights !
NOT saying it wasnt BUT that did spoil it slightly and i feel for all the HARD work i know you guys put in to it !

cheers
sandy man

Thieving b*st*rd!!
You should take your McThai swords Sandy & chop his blinking hands off.

:-P

NIce words Sandy, Thanks.

Someone thought when you said bald dwarf, they thought you were talking about Shaun!!! LOL ( I won't mention his name, but he knows who he is!! :))

I'll get you his number and send it to you, but I want to let Gary have a few 'words' with him first!!! :)

If that fails, we'll send you round with a sword and an apple and then rather than you kicking the apple off the sword, you can try and slice the apple whilst it's on his head! I hope you haven't lost your aim!!!! :)

The man in question is;

a) More dwarf than me (more likely Sandy's height)
b) More bald than me (more likely Yul Bryner style)

P.S.

I know it's not the point but you can replace your cheap SANDEE pads with a couple of sponges glued to beer mats....get some proper pads!!!

SANDEE pads are not as bad as everyone makes out.
1.my 5 year old son dug out the middle of one and now uses it as a dinghy.

2.my nan covered the other one with a bit of old carpet and my grandad uses it as a footrest.he says its that comfy its even helped with his piles.

Could anyone please tell me if Nick Shephard won on Saturday night on the Surrey show?

did nick shepard fight??

(i got faces, but no names?)

Nick Shephard didn't fight.
Chris Batcheldor weighed in at 91kg and he was expecting Nick to be 96/97kg. He weighed in at 109kg!! Chris felt that it was just too much weight difference and so decided that he didn't want it. It wa a shame, because I was really looking forward to the fight.

Hi Toots!! Thanks for all your help on Saturday and becoming a member of the Saunders family for a day!!!! :)

Nick Sheppard at 109kg? Im not surprised!! man that kid's good and all but he needs to control his diet or something!

fahad, does your name happen to mean "leopard" by any chance?
whilest farhads is "beloved of ???"

just curious?

anywhoo,
jesse i had a great time,
your family are sweet,
(even when crying at early hours of morning)

KITTENS!!
adorable :-))

oh yeah,
i enjoyed the show too!

Hey! Farhad, it was nice to see you mate, sorry I couldn't get Mark matched, but at least he had a run out with Toots!!! And Toots did look good, although I know she wasn't pleased with herself, she did well.




We'll see you at the K1 MAX where Gary is fighting Simon Dimitri..... cant wait!

damned you zebs for mentioning that!

grr grr.

i suppose everyone comes away thinking they did worse than they did,
but i was SO crap!!

my last demo i did so-so.
but this one i was nervous as hell,
what with yourself, smiler, sandy, the keddles etc etc.
so as per, i did the PANIK thing,
and in the process of panicking i made what i was worried about come true,
ie i was worried i'd freeze up,
and cause i was worring about it it came true!

lol/

must learn to relax properly,
regardless of who is there.
people can't fight right if panicking about who's watching

DOH.

but hey.
i fought a guy :-)
YEAH!!

(it's so hard not to hit in the nuts, specially when getting beat!lol)

and he fell at my feet.
DOUBLE YEAH.

and i got a new trophey.

and i saw kittens!!!

anywhoo,
back ta work...........

Is that you mixing it up with the lads now Toots??
We'll need to be wary of you now :-P

Oops, Sorry Fahad, I can't read properly (although Im sure not the first to make that mistake!)
Well... it was nice to see farhad, but where you Fahad??

Hi zeb it was nice to see you too and yeah Toots did very well :)
Well done toots.
Mark sends his regards by the way
Mark is 22 today :)

God Im getting old..... I thought he was my age!!! :)

eek,
he is 5 yrs my junior.
I punched a baby boy!!
I'm a bulley

Rofl

1. get the photos on here NOW !!!!!!!!
2. GOOD demo with the guy from FARHADS ( nice shorts too Farhad !) :)
3. well done to Farhad with the thai-boxer as Farhad is a full-contact kick boxer and coped / did well !
4. PHOTOS ! ??? anyone as well as TOOTS ! ??
ta
5. A/X t-shirts looked good on toots too !

sandy man !
p.s. TOOTS got the biggest cheer when her opponent who was doing some great spectacular kicks got tripesd ? / pushed over by toots and he fell at Toots ankles ! and TOOTS stuck her chest out and smiled ! and the crowd went wild ! ( the slip! / tactic of TOOTS-THE-TERRIBLE ! not her chest ! sorry toots ! heheheeh )

the thai boxer actually broke my groin guard LOL
ive got a new groin guard now :)
oh by the way i did pretty shit against that young lad
thai boxer or no thai boxer,..
thing is he was an AWKWARD bastard being southpaw and all that,
i suppose i defended headshots well and even countered with some decent right hands,... naah i think ive seen better days :)

Thanx to the crowd for their support they were very nice to me :)
Oh yeah Sandy your jacket you gave me,...
its great
very flashy !!!
Ive already had a parent approach me and ask me where i teach :)

By the way DOES it fit ?? it was the LAST "SANDEE" Jacket and i thought it was your size ! ? glad you like it !!!!
cheers FARHAD !!
p.s. WHERE was / is FAHAD ??

well aparently my demo is going on the vdo/dvd,
(the official one)
so i'll see it for myself in due time.

The crowd were great cause it was girl vrs guy,
"go girl" lol
If only my damned nervers didn't freeze me up.

Practice makes perfect i suppose.

Sandy it does fit its a little tighht hough ha ha ha
im a lot bigger and bulkier than you you see
(cheeky grin)
ha ha ha

Why wont you have a rematch Bill?
Under you Rules? With Your Judges? For More Money?
Why can't Imran Kick Punch or Elbow? Why are his knees so ineffective? Why does he continually hold the ropes?
The offer is there...you are complaining...I am giving you the opportunity under your terms and conditions to fix it and make it Imrans ££££ While, come on Imran isn't in same class and would get destroyed, the offer is there....

HI Phil!!!!

I thought you were being rather quiet for you!!! :)

typical....you offer the opportunity to people to correct something they dont like and they ignore you then keep moaning!

Why open their mouths in the first place???

Phil -
Do you think Bill should stoop to your level and have a public slanging match? if you are really sincere in your offer, why don't you contact him direct???

well said Miniluv!

I am not getting into a slanging match with Bill!
Bill is a nice bloke and has always shown respect to me and everybody else, and incidentaly I have never had a cross word with him and dont intend to!!
However, I was happy with the descision and could quite happily sit back and keep saying "..piss off we were the winners!" But, members of the KO gym have slagged off the descision for over a week (on muaythaionline) and I have said nothing, so now with a touch of banter and no anamosity, I am giving Imran (and others) the opportunity to fix it under whatever terms they like.
Sandy Holt has already made an offer (apparently) and was declined, in private. So now seeing as so many people have had an public opinion, I am having mine.
The descision was correct but Adams performance was terrible! It was the worst performance he has ever put on and still managed to win a professional European Title at the age of 16...without spoiling a fight!
I thought Imran was a gutsy little fighter and a nice guy but had nothing to offer in terms of technique or certainly power. His tactics were good if he had some substanance in his techniques and was lucky not to get disqualified for holding the ropes!!

I presume the rematch won't happen (through no fault of my own) and now consider the matter closed.

No anamosity intended, what so ever!

Hi Philip

Thanks, appreciate your response to my question. I'm sure you will understand why I commented, Bill is my trainer and I respect him enormously. I haven't checked out MT Online for a while now, so had no idea that people have been making comments on the guestbook.

I hope that whatever people have said independently hasn't affected your relationship with Bill. Sometimes people say things before thinking about how it will sound. We all have minds and voices of our own and cannot stop people from giving their opinion sometimes the message does not across properly because discussions become heated. By 'we' I mean everyone, not just KO.

To anybody that has read through this from the beginning - go back and look at Bill's comments and then look at Phil's - its not difficult to work out why Bill hasn't responded - Bill gave a fair arguement why he felt (as a lot of people do) Imran should have won - at no point did he bad mouth Adam or Phil - in fact he praised Adams abilities - whereas Phil has tried to draw Bill into a slagging match.

I don't think anyone can accuse Bill of 'moaning'!!!

Controversy sells
Aaaaah !!!
i missed the fight,
so i cant comment
i saw the first 2 rounds,..
after that i wasstuffing my face in the room next door :)
i was finsihing the biuffet off , then Alex Reid took the last bottle of wine away :)
ha ha ha

So it was Reidy who stole all the wine!!!!

Paolo

you are probably right I shouldn't have been so aggressive, however, it is not us complaining/ disagreeing with the descision! I feel that the fight was terrible and gave no justice to Adams fighting ability, Imran didn't try to fight he tried to steal, spoil and survive! Which was a good tactic but, as one judge said
"...the difference in class was obvious...and Imrans knees were impossible to score because they were just token gestures not effective techniques..."

I don't want to explain the ins and outs of a ducks arse, but we were the winners and can understand Bills points (and agree with him on most) but out of sportsmanship and decency we are offering the rematch, don't you think that is fair?

Adam is soon to move on to bigger and better things and doesn't need the fight, although, I repeat it is Imrans people complaining, moaning or disagreeing which ever terminology you wish to use is up to you, but I think the classic "put up or shut up is totally justified!!"

Yes, a lot of my comments regarding Imran were made tongue in cheek possibly to invoke a reaction which it has ie. Imran didn't win the first fight and won't take a rematch! so why carry on with the matter?

I get on with Bill fine and have no intention of falling out with him as he has no intention of letting Adam fight Imran again, fine, lets put it to bed!!
I don't want to explain the ins and outs of a ducks arse but we were the winners and can understand Bills points (and agree with him on most) but out of sportsmanship and decency we are offering the rematch, don't you think that is fair?

Imran didn't win the first fight and won't take a rematch9Or the people who represent him won't)! so why carry on with the matter? I get on with Bill fine and have no intention of falling out with him as he has no intention of letting Adam fight Imran again, fine, lets put it to bed!!

Philip

ummm, hello, do you not remember what you said?

Quote - "typical....you offer the opportunity to people to correct something they dont like and they ignore you then keep moaning!

Why open their mouths in the first place???"

That really sounds like 'putting things to bed' to me. If this is just a case of having the last word, you're not gonna get it 'cos i'm a bird and we always get the last word mate!

I'm letting Miniluv have the last word - because I think she speaks for a lot of people!

who gives a f**** who won that fight anyway!!!
I dont give a shit about either adam or imran!!!
theyre not my mates, neither even gave me a nod or a hello so whogives a f*** who they are!!!

Theres a lot of ncie freindly ppl in our game e.g. Gary turner, jesse saunders, toots, sandy holt,kieran keddle, shaun keddle, alex reid, simon dimitri,..etc

theres also a lot of "NOBs" who no matter how good they are,.. i dont give a f**** about,.. so no disrespect to imran and adam but who cares,.. i dont

I wasnt even watching it for a start

I hear they're really big fans of yours Farhard !

Naaah man i didnt mean any disrespect by that, just that i dont know why everyone is arguing about a fight!
its only a fight isnt it?
and also the fact that i dont know those guys from adam!
if they were guys i was pals with then i would give a shit
you know whati mean?

The people discussing it do "know them from Adam" and thus do give a shit!

Thanks for the nice comment about me Farhad, but you seem a tad upset!!!

Like Andy said, some people do care, and this is what this discussion board is all about. There are plenty of threads that I have no interest in, and so will maybe read, but then not bother getting too involved in.

As for not knowing Adam or Imran, personally I found both fighters very friendly and respectful. Imran tends to keep himself to himself, whereas Adam showed maturity beyond his years.
I'm sure that both fighters were not being rude or ignoring you, but as I'm sure you're well aware, when you are fighting, sometimes you don't really want to chat to everyone.

:)

AndyC, Zebedee

I agree with both of you and couldn't put it better myself. I will make one further comment, however, and that is if Farhad could read he would see that AndyC, Paulo and I were discussing the fact that Philip was trying to egg Bill on. We weren't discussing the fight, that is in the past and the decision has been made.

No offense Farhad, as you say about us, we don't know you from Adam, but if you don't like the thread just close it, don't make nasty comments, it isn't necessary.

P.S. Zebedee, it was very nice to meet you on Sunday, sorry I didn't get the chance to say bye to you but as soon as the fights finished we all had to hop back on the minibus to get back to London. Can't believe I got all shy again as well, agh, horrible!

You weren't shy! Although meeting Sandy does leave most people speechless!!!!

LoL! It's the soft voice, I was expecting him to shout at me kind of like how he writes!

Hey Sandy, where's the pic of us???

Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Well after the ones from my show, where I look like death warmed up, It will be nice to see one of me looking alive!

And not being funny Miniluv, but you're standing between me and Sandy!!! You are going to be the the one that looks the best.... trust me!!!

No offence Farhad but I think you made a dick of yourself last Saturday when you did that demonstration, who gives a toss about you anyway, why don't you have a proper fight and take those pants off their so eighties!!

(thought I would throw that back at you seeing as you were being insulting directly at my fighters!) Oh I will introduce you to Adam next time we are at the same show!

Ohh, by the way there was a rumour going round Sheffield that you actually once put a cigarette out?... Is it true? ... Or was it the cat you put out?

MINILUV i was SHY with you !
and ZEBS i will sort em !! yeee harrrrrrr :p

Philip:
1. i wasnt being directly insulting towards anyone
2. i dont smoke
3. i did the demo coz i was aksed to , zebv asked me to and i did it
whats wrong with that?

Also:
If i sound like i insulted either imaran or even adam then im sorry!
i didnt mean to piss anyone off

No i wasnt insulting adam directly,....i just didnt know why everyone was arguing about a decision and making a big thing about a decision , then again i didnt even see the fight!!!

Another thing i posted an apology long time ago!
Well i must have posted it at work... but it porbably didnt come on coz my password etc wasnt saved

so was it really worth commenting on it? like others have just said, surely if a thread doesn't interest you, then leave it be, dont add something for the sake of it. As Zebedee sasid, there are people who are interested in the thread and do want to discuss it.

ok fair c0mment i i didnt see the fight so i shudnt have commented.
i apologise for saying what i said.

Just to back Farhad up, he did me a massive favour, getting in the ring to do a demo bout.
Thanks Farhad.

Thanks for the info. on Nick Sheppard Zebedee. I saw him on the Saturday morning and he looked his usual weight, about 95kg. He must have stopped off at the Little Chef on the way for an Olympic breakfast, Surreys a long way from Leeds you know!

A 14kg breakfast!!!! Wow!!! Little chef is value for money!!!

A major dissapointment that the fight didn't happen, not only for the public, but also for the fighters.
I know that Chris was really looking forward to it, but a 18kg difference was just too much at this stage of his career. I think he made a sensible decision, but hopefully if Nick can get on the treadmill, and lose a bit of weight, they may be able to get it on in the future. :)

Just spoke to Nicks trainer, he said they were unaware of any weight limitation with it being a heavyweight contest and Nick was just fighting at his comfortable weight and did not realise it would be a problem. Obviously just a mix up in communications whcich is a shame because I am sure it would have been entertaining. Sounds like it was a good night though, so well done Zebedee and good luck with the next one.

sandy, you SO need to learn to edit photos :-P

speaking of editting photos, heres some i made earlier.....

Wow lady boy i did'nt know you had in you to be so angry (aka Phil) just joking mate, i still need some novices for my show on the 3rd nov, so i will call you soon.

And while every one is pissed of with each other i might as well have my say.

First of all My fighter Simon Dore who i thought fought very well against Roger toon has'nt even had a mention on this link, and he is not a b class fighter as mentioned before by zebedee. I also thought his fight was the only fight worth showing on Sky !!!

That would do the sport of kickboxing any credit. and the out come was decisive.

And secondly i have supported so many promoters this year up and down the country, and when i need some support no one want's to know, so may be next year i will be very selective with who i work with, its a shame but........

Do i sound as pissed of as phil.....

Sorry Jag,

Just to let you know, Sky will be showing Simons fight as you rightly said, it was a quality fight (especially the finish!!)

On the subject of promoters helping each other out! Please let us know details for your show? I've had nothing through from you, so have not known when your show is! Email me the details and I'll see if we can support you. (I'm sure you weren't having a dig at me, but in case you were, it was not intentional to not support you.)

As for the B classification...... I'll plead ignorance!!! :) (sorry!)

hope i've got the right fight here?

Simon (adebeasi)Dore

"Someone will need to hold the ropes for her"

lol,
that MC was really funny,
tee hee

Thank you Zebedee for your support and thank you so mush tootslek for the photo's,

If you can help with my show it is taking place on 3rd Nov i am looking for some novice fighter's at 80kg and also 74kg let me know if you can help.

Once again thgank you for the photo Simon will be grateful

perhaps your problem jag
(and i'm merely speculating here, not stating either my own nor anybody elses opinion)
is that KB sucks, and everybody everywhere would rather put their fighters into MT??

;-P

Your welcome Jag,

I hope Simon doesn't mind that i call him adabeasi, it's just my wee joke, no insult intended.

Simon was very good at ducken and divin and rollin,

one last one,
i have more,
but they are of roger kicking simon so i wasn't sure if you'd want to see them ;-P

That called Skill,

yes, my photography is rather good isn't it ;-P

(or did you mean Simon's duckin and divin)

Is this just a Kickboxing show, or do you have MT aswell?

this is why i was calling Simon, "Adebise"
(only i spetlt it wrong- quel surpreez!)

Full contact only

Yes you are right Jag,
Simons fight was most enjoyable,...
the fight between simon dimitri and chris ballard was a WAR !!!
Yeah simon dore is very skilled , its the best ive seen him fight, ill certainly pay to see simon dore fight again!

AArgh!!!! Is Farhad saying that he'll part with his money!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL

Zeb you funny bastard !!!
ha ha ha
well i cant call YOU tight coz you paid us for expenses :)
cheers Zeb :)

No, Gary did!!! I was trying to avoid you.... lol

Thank you for your comments farhad, Simon will be fighting again on the 3rd Nov for the wako world title, hope to see you down there.

Ill try my best Jag depends what im doing that day but id like to see it.
You know who i am so why didnt you say hello when i was at the show?
Now thats what i dont understand.

Anyway im actually a big fan of the heavyweights i only follow the heavyweights to be honest . Dont ask me why but i like to see the big guys throw big bombs and knock each other out. But when you see big guys being good movers and good at slipping and rolling etc or even good fast kickers then it makes you think WOW! these big fellas can kick too!

Example : Chris Ballard!!! That dude has a mean spinning kick on him and he can really hit.

Id like to see a Full contact match between Chris Ballard and Simon Dore !!!

That would be THE business!!!

I have tried to get betwwen Simon and Chris a couple of times but it has'nt come off. may be next year. Simon up for that any day.

This SHOULD be pictures of THE GINGA NINJA
(the english one, there is a scottish one too)
i apologise in advance if it doesn't work

yeah, it worked,
only the thumnails don't link into the full size :-(

but it's a start....

McGinger morris?
hes one of Sandys isnt he?
I thought he was a nice guy to be honest, likes to have a laugh and a joke it seems.
what ahppened in his fight?

he was doing really well,
till he got KO'd.

He was totally gutted after, really dissappointed in himself.
Which he shouldn't be cause it was a good fight.

He is a lovely guy,
and i hope he is feeling better about it all now.

Yeah, it was a good fight. The other fighter is Brett Trefry from Woking. It was quite even, then Brett caught Andy with a very good right hand, and it was all over.
Andy is an excellent fighter, with a bright future, and yes, he is a great bloke. (and so is Brett.... Id better say that! I don't want to be hit with the same right hand!! :))

Great pics Toots, can't wait to see them all on your site.

Hey Toots can you put the `2` GINGER NINJAS on a face to face on here ? with ya photo skills ! as i guess i could !! ?? mmm hahah "NOT"
and / or maybe at a show they can meet !
the GINGER NINJA meets the GINGER NINJA hahahaah

the scottish GInger Ninja, is Andrew ED Henderson,
One of Bobby Quinns (via Mr evil eyes JO'B in Jonstone)

I think he is probably too light for Andy...
What weight was McGinger vrs Brett at??
When i have some time i'll try get them together in a picture,
but no promises, i'm really no good with Photoshop :-(

P>S> so your crap at pics too ???? i thought it was just me ?? haha LOL

Sandy, i'm not THAT crap, LOL.

I can put them up at a decent size, and turn em round. :-P :-)

Toots, those pictures are fantastic, great action shots.

Sandy - noooooo, how could you!!! I was really hoping the camera had busted or something! ;-)

thanks miniluv.

I've loads more pics to follow,
but unfortunately brian's done something to my pc?
God knows what or why???

I was chatting to him the other day, and ftp'ing the pictures and surfing ax,
and my pc crashed
(hence i vanished on brian...sorry mate)

i tried to reboot, but nothing happened,
could hear the fan working and the harddisk running,
but no signal to Monitor.

Anywho, have tried new monitor, new graphics card, new motherboard and combinations of these, but still getting nothing :-(

ALWAYS happens,
i'd shit loads to update on my site and just as I am ready to do it, the bloody pc goes on a wee holiday.
grr grr ;-<

So, i can't say when i'll get the pictures up now,

I'm SO sorry to Zeb and some of the fighters who are patiently waiting on them.

and if anybody is wondering why i'm not answering their e-mails......

I can only surf at work now, and am not supposed to, so i best be off afore i get caught.

toots

Sorry to hear your computers gone belly up Toots, have you tried picking it up and dropping it on the floor? It doesn't do anything for the computer, but it makes you feel a hell of a lot better!

sorry Toots ya know i luv ya ! :p :)

Just had the line up for Sky. The show will be show Saturday, 7th December on Sky1 and then repeated the following week.

First up is :
Brett Trefry Vs Andy Morris
Jaimie Ricketts Vs Sonia Hoeburn
Simon Dimitri Vs Chris Ballard
Then a highlights of some of the other fights (don't worry Toots and Farhad, they wont be showing the demos!!!!)
Then Adam Johnson Vs Imran Shah


Enjoy the commentry of Sandy and Shaun!!!! :)

oh and im the BIG boy ! :p lol

You say theyll only be showing "highlights" of some of the others?
The Simon Dore fight will only be highjlighted?
That was one of the best on the night!!!

Also the Eddie Beale fight was a good one

The Heavyweights are the way to go
Just my opinion

Thanks for highlighting that farhad!
I have to agree, that the Simon Dore fight was a good fight and deserved to go out, but they could only get so many on. The good thing about having a highlights package, is that at least all the fights will get some airing.

when will dvd be ready????

computer fixed :-)

i'm back in the world of the (virtual) living.
YEAH

Nice to see you back toots!!

The Video and DVD should be ready to go out to people in the next few weeks, they're just waiting on the covers for the case.

cool :-)

i've finally been able to update my site....

ukmuaythai.com

The photos should be on there,
and some potentially very good news too!

Zeb please send me a video ta

Hi
If anyone would like a video or DVD of the event, then please contact Hanif Khan on the details below.
Thanks


E.mail :hanif@video-shoot.com
Tel office: 0208 2307500
Tel mobile: 07713 151710

and if you want prints of photos,
just ask me :-)

As long as Simon Dimitri's hand is better, he is having a rematch with Chris Ballard in High Wycombe at the Millenium Brawl on Sun 15th December...... in a cage!!!!!!!!!

Should be a cracker :)