Hey, he KOd the jap, fantastic!

He can't kick?

You know him?

Thanks

he is a big overweight fighter who comes from a "so you think you are tough background". The fact that he beat someone is an embarassment. He lost to boxer Larry Holmes a few years ago. He is a big puncher but its shows what the K-1 is coming to.

"jap" is a racial slur.

the fight was crap. fujimoto complained of an injured hand and said he lost feeling in his arm. i doubt butterbean had anything to do with the stoppage.

his real name is eric esch. he entered a few toughman competitions and won. he lost weight on a butterbean diet and that is how he got the nickname. there was a contest "win a date with butterbean" where he first got recognition. after that he was used by promoters to lure fight fans to see their fighters. no one knows who the world bantamweight champ is or cares who the #1 ranked guy is but they will come and see butterbean and then enjoy the real fights after.

he was crowned king of the 4 rounders until the nevada athletic commission demanded that the sanctioning body do all the paperwork for the title. they said the title was just a joke for the fans to enjoy. many of esch's fights were fixed.

he considered a fake-wrestling career briefly but thought it would be to diffecult to do boxing and fulfill the obligations of the script. he often stated that he could beat tyson but no one bought it. that is everyone knew he wanted to fight iron mike for the payday of his life. it never happened. he did fight a 53 year old larry holmes and went the distance eating jab after jab.

the k-1 is not hoping to get a great fighter by signing esch. they are hoping for something no american k-1 fighter has, name recognition. this is smart business.

Hey Felix, I said Jap as Thai as Braz... Really sorry if worry you.

Hum, a cheap american, the japanese are smart! They pay a little money, and all is OK... He is bad, why he won? Maybe he have a hard hand?

But he is very cool in appearance! White as milk, fat as a cow and with the american trunks! In portuguese we said he is a "figura"! lol

And if he is a boxer, he can't kick?

Thanks!

white as milk...
i was thinking the same thing. his bruises will show up very clearly.


he was making $60,000 a fight as a boxer so he is worth the press he can draw for the k-1. how he fights and how he will win or lose is not even an issue. it's all about business.

he and fujimoto should have a rematch in vegas. the american crowd like fujimoto because they could hear his kicks on dewey from the back row.

Felix,
don't start with the "Jap is a racial slur" shit again. We have already had that one before. Nobody means anything by it and I won't be offended if you call me a "Brit".
When someone is being offensive, I am sure we will all pull them up on it, but until then, please get a life!

Felix

Yes stop trying to cause trouble, Have a small whiskey or a "NIP" of Brandy and calm down.

K1 staff should become more careful with using such cheap stuff. They make themselves easy targets for as cheap criticism. I don't understand why don't they make something separate such as maybe "K-fat" lool so they can attract money on this side and keep the true K1 clean.

Unicorn has troubles about finding his cathegory - I am a mixture of a wop, an eggplant and a wetback lool

Its all good IMO, it'll be fun to watch the fat bloke get pummeled by someone that knows what they're doing.

stevie and bulldog,

sorry guys. i can neither get a life nor calm down. i'm against both those things just out of principle.

i didn't harp on rookie. i just let him know. whether or not he knew it, "jap" is indeed a racial slur like chink and nigger.

dave,

i think so too.

Butterbean Interview

Post-K1 debut, 29th June 2003

Interview by Nikuraba

An hour after knocking out Yusuke Fujimoto with a left hook in the opening round of his K-1 debut, I caught up with an unmarked and very jovial Butterbean (real name Eric Esch) for a quick q&a.

SFUK: What did you think of the fight?

I want a couple more fights. I want to fight people who punch more. There's two things that no-one should do to me: don't steal my food and don't kick me.

SFUK: Did the knockout punch really hit him?

Oh it was a very good, very very good connect. I could feel it in my hand. He was very lucky he didn't get back up because I was getting ready to hit him with the big hand. The right hand (holds up his right fist)

SFUK: What was the biggest difference being in with a kicboxer, compared to the boxers you normally fight?

I got kicked (laughs). The kicks were something different. It definately took me a little time to adapt and I thought, hmmn, let's get rid of those kicks. So I figure if I get close and punch hard, then no more kicks.

SFUK: Did you find a difference in the quality of punches coming at you and in the quality of his defence against punches?

Ah, it didn't last long enough to see about the punching. Maybe next time we'll get somebody that punches more and maybe less kicks and it'll be much more exciting.


Taken from sfuk.net

There's two things that no-one should do to me: don't steal my food and don't kick me.

O.K. Mirko would probably redefine it to:Butterbean - There's two things that no-one should do to me: don't steal my food and please, please don't kick me any more.

Felix

What about

Swede
Fin
Brit
Thai
Pole

?????

http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html

give that site a visit if you have any questions.

Felix is not trying to cause trouble. Yes, we had this debate before but I don't remember everyone agreeing with Bullbog's above conclusion. I am aware that a lot of people use the term 'Jap' like they would 'Brit', 'Swede' or 'Fin' but the fact of the matter is that is is more commonly used (in the world) as an insult on a par with nigger or paki. The people who are unaware of this should now be aware.

(I also appreciate that Brazillian rookie's first language is not English, so it's obviously an innocent mistake on his part).

well don't ever call me Blanco!

http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html

give that site a visit if you have any questions. Or if you are a very very sad person with no life at all

brit is short for british or britain
swede is short for swedish or sweden
fin is short for finish or finland
paki is short for pakistan or pakistani
thai is short for thailand
jap is short for japan or japanese
NO BIG DEAL

muaythaison- that's true. However Brit, Swede, Fin and Thai are not derogatory terms. Paki and Jap are. It may not be a big deal to you but try to understand that this is an international board and so is a big deal to others who are aware that the term 'Jap' is a racial slur.

jap would seem to be an innocent shortening of japanese but i think it
has strong negative connotations dating back to world war 2. when ive heard
people of that era use that term, they certainly attach a negative meaning to it.

btw, ive head once that a japanese derogatory name for westerners translates
to "butter stinker". are there any more good ones out there?

I think you guys are missing the point that Felix is (correctly) making.

Whether you agree or not, "jap" IS a racial slur here in the USA. If it is not considered a racial slur in your part of the country - then great, but just be aware that if you are talking to an American or a Japanese... or especially a Japanese-American then you will almost certainly be offending them by using the word "jap".

The fact that British is shortened to Brit and Swedish is shortened to Swede is pure coincidence, and does not eliminate the FACT that in the USA, people consider the word "jap" a racial slur.

I could gather up 300 members of the Ku Klux Klan and get all of them to agree that the word "nigger" isn't a racial slur, but it doesn't make it so.

Another way to look at it is that in some parts of the world, whistling is considered rude... but not in America.

Do you know how stupid an American whistling in those countries would sound if he were to say "oh all you countrymen need to relax! We whistle in America all the time and it isn't considered rude so you and your whole country are just being overly sensitive."

We have dealt with this issue before but as I know that some of you were not around at the time I will try to summarise the outcome of the debate so that it can end here on this post.

Fact: Some cultures seem to use abbreviations such as "Jap" and "Paki" purely as abbreviations. They do not use it in a derogatory manner and no offence is intended.

Fact: Unfortunatly the people that they are describing view the term as an insult.

With this in mind, it would be common courtesy on an international website such as this, to honour their feelings and refrain from the use of a term that you know offends.

Even if you are adament that you do not use the term as an insult, you should be aware that some people are offended and therefore it is still better and in the true spirit of the martial artist if we make the effort to use the correct term so that we do not insult anyone.

For those who were not here when the debates were going on...Now that you know, please respect.

If you search the Ax topics you will find various topics on racism etc. Read them if you need to but "DO NOT" post on them and bring them to the top of the list.

If you have any further questions or views on this then e-mail us but do not post them on here.

Back to the topic....who is Butterbean? (I know the answer, just bringing it back to the question)

Thanks

Dave - Ax Team

Toughman competitor turned Superheavyweight pro boxer

here is his website, but not updated for a couple years:
www.butterbean.com

boxing record:
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014536

hope this helps

Talking about Butterbean, and ALL giant guys from team beast...

Hey people, don't forget K-1 is a PRODUCT.

Is not a supreme challenge, or something like that...

I think make a K-1 Beast is a idea from a genius! It's a great marketing!

Monster guys agains normal fighters... Japanese people love! Me too!

Is like Street Fighter 2!

Can you see? What the hell, enjoy K-1 as a game, is funny, is very cool, is a great show!

I love K-1!

I can think in a lot of products, as "K-1 Kyokushin vs. Muay Thai" or "K-1 Boxing vs. Kickboxing", or "K-1 Monster" with awesome fights as Bob Sapp vs. Montanha Silva, Toa vs. Butterbean...

Is boring see K-1 always as a serious thing...

K-1 is for everybody, the moms, the grandfathers, the kids, the people, not only for martial artist like us...

I think K-1 is the most exciting MA event of world, because the tournment can travell in a less technical fighter as Sapp, for the most refinated fighter as Hoost, Le Banner, etc...

I like very much Butterbean, he is a funny guy to see!

Go Butterbean, kill them all!

You understand what I'm saying?

I'm tired see Mike Tyson, Holyfield, etc. I think K-1 is the next pop combat sport after boxing! The combat sport to our parents talk about in dinner, our mates talk in a bar, to we read the rumors in a newspaper...

Here in Brazil is only soccer, soccer, soccer, soccer, soccer...

We have a boxing champion, Acelino Freitas, he fight very well, you can feel the atmosphere, the emotions, but we have Francisco Filho a Glaube and they are knowed only in the martial art community...

It's awesome think in future and see K-1 in open TV at sunday, as Japan, lol...

I think I wrote a monster post, sorry!

BR - the slogan of K-1 goes something like this: The ultimate chalange in martial arts.

Oh, really? Excellent marketing!

they have had a couple of "karate vs kickboxing" challenges , but not in
the last couple of years...

Cool I get to KO butterbean one day(maybe) leg kicks and knees.
I actually think it maybe easy?

Big puncher gets tired but if you move well his legs would crumble.

he has a similar strategy to sapp. he likes to back his opponent into a corner
and let loose a barrage of windmill punches. hes obviously not as strong as
sapp, but he is a much better puncher. im sure he would have a tough time
with leg kicks.

How do you guys think Hunt will go with Butterbean, Hunt doesn't kick much and both are short guys? Is Butterbean a hard hitter?