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Topic:Master Skens Super Show 25th November
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 14:35:47

master skens super show 25th november
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 14:39:17
i was beaten to the punch getting the poster up. but i guess it doesnt really matter which thread gets hits.

we're working on adding to the line up over the next few weeks to ensure this show hits all the ticks in all the boxes!

Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 14:40:16
ha ha i win ive resized it.....sorry splinter
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 14:41:33
now the official correct sixed post of the next master sken super show! get in!!
Posted: 2007-10-15 15:19:08
Line up is:
Liam V Namphon - THE REMATCH
Duwao Kongidorm V Andre Kotsur

Also in the mix theres:
Andy Howson
Andy Thrasher
Frankie Hudders
Micheal Dicks
Colin Johnson
Leroy Morgado

Posted: 2007-10-15 15:33:36
How much are the VIP tickets if you bought Ringside tickets at Carnell ctr? Is/was there a discount?
If nobody knows i think Nige or Colin will fill me in..... Maybe literally! LOL.
Gonna take My better half to this show and it looks cracking and a great venue.... I will restrain from putting my Wanderers shirt on!! A suit will do i think ha ha ha
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 15:46:30
on tables there will be a dress code. i confirm table prices after consultation but

VIP with buffet £75
normal seating £30

hope that helps.

Posted: 2007-10-15 15:52:23
Ok Cheers Dave. Whats the dress code? Black tie job?
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 16:03:08
thats the aim. though smart dress code as opposed to strictly black tie. dont take my word for that i need to double check but it wont be smart casual. it has to be high end.

a video link into the carpark will make it possible for my mates to come LOL
Posted: 2007-10-15 16:04:26
Looks like I'm in the car park as well haha
Posted: 2007-10-15 16:04:46
Are they both coming Dave? (your mates)
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-15 16:30:36
Best of luck with the show Master Sken, I hope all your plans for the show are going well.

Can someone confirm the ticket prices as the poster is hard to make out? Is it £25 for Standard Junior and £30 on the door, as I've got a few people asking me about tickets for it? Unfortunitly I'm going to miss it myself as I'll be in Thailand!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 17:33:20
yeh £25 for seating area tickets. mind you the venue is so good its like ring side.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-15 17:35:57
oh nearly forgot. now you're a bloody comedian! and yes both my mates are coming LOL!
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-15 17:36:43
Thanks Dave, if you've got a bigger version of the poster I can resize it and post it without losing the resolution for you.
Posted: 2007-10-15 17:50:35
Hi Everyone
Thankyou Dave for posting the poster on AX
The Super Show was meant to be for His Majesty The King's Birthday,in which I have recieved a letter of permission from The Palace and supporting by Thai Prime Minister.It's such an highest honour to me personally.
Thai Promoter has promised to raised money to support the show but could not meet the deadline that I have set up for the fund to be transfered to my Bank.
I have no alternative but to cancel the show as mentioned.
It would have been one of a great day in history of Muaythai.The Match would have been between Liam Harrison V Anuwat Kaewsamrit,I still do intend to bring this dream Match in UK in very near future.
I now follow through with Super Show by bringing back the REMATCH
-Liam "The Hitman"Harrison V Numpol (WMC WORLD CHAMPIOM)
-Duwao Kongidorm V Andre' Kotsur (King Of The Ring World Champion)
-Frankie Hudders V Calogero Palmieri Italian,his last 2 fights,he has beaten Yodenchai Sitpholek and Karim El Osrouti-Dutch Champion
-Michael Dicks V French Champion for WMC European Title
-Andy Thrasher V Pete Tiask-Sor.Thanikul Camp,Newcastle
-Andy Howson for WMC European Title opponent to be confirmed.
-Colin Johnson V Chris Polly
-Leroy Mogardo V TBC
Plus Demonstration the Art of KRABI KRABONG by KRU TONY MOORE

Alix James
Posted: 2007-10-15 18:06:35
Liam vs Anuwat would have been nice but its looking like all the stops have been pulled out for this really is top draw. Im fighting on the same day in London so gutted I will miss it :( If there is anychance of me driving between the two in the time I would. Best of luck with the show !
Posted: 2007-10-16 02:58:39
Looks fantastic, good luck with it, will be a sell out for sure.

I won`t be able to make it as it co-incides with a football fixture I will be going to at the other end of the country, but I sincerely hope it is a fantastic success.

Have any discounted room rates been negotiated with the hotel which might just encourage those from further away to attend and be able to stay over for the night?
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-16 03:04:55
alex abusin is hoping to fight but an opponant has yet to be secured. alex fights ideally at 68kg but the pies got to him earlier this year and he lost to marc sargent fighting above his best weight but won last month over pete adams at the same inflated weight. but its a gamble competeing out of your category and so this time there will be no such risks. 68kg it is
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-16 03:13:20
gary poster jpeg on its way as i type. and thank you
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-16 03:24:09
and remember this is the years biggest show with lotsa cash prizes to be won. but if you hav'nt gotta a ticket! you aint getting in!

tickets now on sale. but selling fast

ps. couldnt resist the photo "if yer names not down. you aint coming in!"
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-16 03:29:24
im hoping it attatched this time
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-16 03:50:20
Hi Dave, the file you sent me is very small, only about 9c in width, so won't look good when resized, Master Sken said he's send me a larger image, but if you get a hold of one fire it over and I'll fix it.
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-16 04:40:24

Here is the picture of Dave protecting the safe with the big cash prizes!
Posted: 2007-10-16 07:23:59
Whooo come on i can't wait for this, gunna be another cracking show, thanks for having me on again Master Sken.
Posted: 2007-10-16 08:00:48
Thats not a very good safe with all the money hanging out of it!!!! LOL
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-16 08:26:56
wots a couple grand between mates LOL
Posted: 2007-10-16 09:44:37
;) I getcha!
Phil Glover
Posted: 2007-10-16 11:38:50
This show sets standards for other shows to follow!!!!
What a line up,there's some brilliant fights to look forward to, shame you could'nt be on too Richard!
Posted: 2007-10-16 14:15:48
Hope it works-Poster
Posted: 2007-10-16 14:47:40
Posters and tickets have been sent to so many Instructors and fighters today.When you recieve them,please let me know.
VIP RINGSIDE TICKETS are selling very fast,if you need them please buy from my or your local Muaythai Clubs.
If you have been to my last show and wish to have a discount please contact me directly at my email address as above.Thanks
Hi Phil
I have negotiated with De Vere Whites Hotel for a discount and they have agreed to give a good discount,I will post the Reference for booking very soon.
Andy,you are always a Star of my show,you definitely be fighting and I am working very hard as you know it's very difficult to find an opponent at your weight but very confidence in finding one 4 U.It's my absolute pleasure.
Phil Glover,I have sent you Posters and tickets,hope to see you again.
There are two very good Bars,any Drinks you like but control your Drinks,do not let Drinks control you.Enjoy it and enjoy the show.

Posted: 2007-10-16 15:26:33
I know Phil. I would have loved to have been on this show too, but I already have a prior engagement in Thailand. I am defending my world title again...possibly on the Kings Birthday at Sannam Leuang.
I leave the saturday after my fight with Imran on the 11th Nov.
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-16 16:10:34
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-16 16:13:50

So much for my help! LOL
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-16 16:16:03
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-10-16 16:18:41
I've uploaded into my profile but for some reason it isn't uploading onto the thread, maybe someone can take it off my profile and try.
Posted: 2007-10-16 17:18:14
Posted: 2007-10-16 17:24:37
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-16 17:38:22

Posted: 2007-10-17 01:04:11
and thats with a mashed up nose .
Posted: 2007-10-17 02:10:23
Kob Khun Liam R
Lots people don't know,Liam is IT TECHNO Specialist
Peter Smithson
Posted: 2007-10-17 02:44:41
Well it looks like this show has set the standard for any future "whats the line up?" shows.

Don't really see what all the song and dance is about to be honest, especially when rumours of Anuwat have been rife and nothing said to say any otherwise.

Damien vs Rungchai is a far bigger fight in my eyes. We have seen Liam vs Numphol before he looked a bit young and nervous last time out. I hear he has lost 3/4 of his last fights so i go with Liam by KO.

Posted: 2007-10-17 03:21:01
Come off it Peter Smithson. I dont think Numphol looked young and nervous last time out at Leeds Town Hall. Sure, coming up to the fight, outside the ring, I would agree. However, when he got in the ring he was the consumate professional.
He currently at the top of the rankings at Rajadamnern, so personally I think it would be foolish to write-off someone of that standard.

Also, Are you forgetting the other fights on the bill?
Duwao Kongidorm V Andre Kotsur
Frankie Hudders V Calogero Palmieri Italian,his last 2 fights,he has beaten Yodenchai Sitpholek and Karim El Osrouti-Dutch Champion
Michael Dicks V French Champion for WMC European Title
Andy Thrasher V Pete Tiask-Sor.Thanikul Camp,Newcastle
Andy Howson for WMC European Title opponent to be confirmed.
Colin Johnson V Chris Polly
Leroy Mogardo V TBC

Duwao is ranked in the top 5 of Rajadamnern Stadium at the moment.
Andre Kotsur is a 2 times world champion, veteran of over 100f and winner of the King of The Ring Tournaments
Frankie Hudders is a vetran of over 60 or 70f and is a major force in the 67kg catagory
Micheal Dicks never disappoints with his agrressive, no nonsence style.
Andy Thrasher is coming off a fantastic win only this past weekend.
Andy Howson is an internationally recognised fighter, holding european and intercontinental titles.
Colin Johnson is one of the hottest prospects and a rising being matched against Chris Polly...I dont think anyone would disagree that this is gonna be one helluva tear-up after Chris' performance this weekend with Alix James.
And not forgetting another rising star from the Super Gym in Knutsford, Leroy Morgado....he reminds me of Diesel Noi with his long rangey knee-fighter style.
Any of these fights could hold top of the bill status on any other show in the UK, but I think Master Sken has done an awesome job in bringing these fights together on the same bill.

Sure the Damian Trainer fight with Rungchai will be awesome, but that is one fight, top of the bill.

And to respond to your query about "Don't really see what all the song and dance is about to be honest, especially when rumours of Anuwat have been rife and nothing said to say any otherwise."

Master Sken writes above: The Super Show was meant to be for His Majesty The King's Birthday,in which I have recieved a letter of permission from The Palace and supporting by Thai Prime Minister.It's such an highest honour to me personally.
Thai Promoter has promised to raised money to support the show but could not meet the deadline that I have set up for the fund to be transfered to my Bank.
I have no alternative but to cancel the show as mentioned.
It would have been one of a great day in history of Muaythai.The Match would have been between Liam Harrison V Anuwat Kaewsamrit,I still do intend to bring this dream Match in UK in very near future.

As you can see this is still a possibility, and the fact that Master Sken is rolling in such circles in the Thai Government, must tell you a little something of the drive and commitment he is offering to the sport.

Come on....lets not turn this in to a bunch of nay-sayers, agruing on the internet, and lets get behind people who are willing to push the sport forwards.

Posted: 2007-10-17 03:23:02
sorry for the long post.
It even hurt my eyes reading all that back! :)
David Mc
Posted: 2007-10-17 03:28:40
Well said Richard

There is another thread on AX : How To Promote Muay Thai?

This is how to promote Muay Thai and we should all be backing it big time.

Thank you Master Sken
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-17 03:33:51
its difficult to determine your angle on this one pete? are you an industry critic, whose main aim is to look for the cracks in veneer of a show or to compare cynically.

or indeed are you a sponsor just waiting to put your money into a promotion worth your time and effort?

you post without identity so i really cannot make that call but would ask you to at least appreciate that the best laid plans can falter at the eleventh hour. As did master skens. he had hoped to host the kings birthday celebrations here in uk. transport was arranged for thai dignataries travelling/attending the show (who actually may still be coming). title fights were arranged, air tickets purchased all waiting for the transfer of funds from thailand.

Frankly; they did not materialise. someone lied.

through hard work and the goodwill of the existing sponsors and a change to the fight order the show will go ahead as scheduled.

try to appreciate the effort and rejoice in a success.

David Mc
Posted: 2007-10-17 03:53:28
Tickets for this show can be purchased on line @

Events & Ticket Sales
Posted: 2007-10-17 04:44:59
In life we meet good and bad,positive and negative.I am listening and learning whether good or bad.I do like good criricism but dislike nonsense.
When there is a negative but give me to do more things in positive and in ten fold.I will strife to be better with in mysylf and work hard for Sport and Martial Arts I love dearly.Every seconds,minutes,hours I never go far away from Muaythai.Kay-my wife and I devote ourselves totally for what we belief in.
The more someone says or thinks negative,it gives me the more determination.
liam badco
Posted: 2007-10-17 04:50:45
i know Namphon lost his last fight but it was aginst the current WMC and Raja champ at 63.5 so hes obviously fighting the best fighters in the world....why would the ranked 1 fighter at 61 in Thailand be nervous about fighting a kid from Leeds!!!! Dont be ridiculous and get your real name up for fuck sake cos we know it aint that!!!!!!!
Damiens fight is gonna be explosive no doubt and i wish i could watch (i wish it was on the same show as this) cos its gonna get won by KO either way imo. but theres 2 top stadium fighters and Britains best all on this show!!!! So you spend your money on goin to that fight and do me a favour while your there, Tape it cos i wanna see it!
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-17 04:56:49
my nose is fine lol as i say tony snapped it back and theres not a mark on me now. There was no sign of any wispas at the show so my local petrol station has been ravaged.
Good luck to Liam & Duwao, the 2 Andys and all English fighters against the farangs.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-17 06:35:54
Liam are you saying that pete smithson is an alias? Now thats a revelation and no mistake. LOL!

Really there oughtta be some on line regulation that prevents anonimity. A man ought to be held accountable for the words he speaks.
Posted: 2007-10-17 08:14:28
If a man can't be proud of the words he says and want to lay claim to them, perhaps he should not speak.

Posted: 2007-10-17 08:16:44
I asked for a ban on anonimity ages ago , dont think it will ever happen .

Mr Unrecognisable (lol)
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-17 08:26:27
To be fair Russ a ban would work if there was an agreement that members might boycott the site if there was continued abuse of the sign in name privaledge.

I mean a non de plume, alias, nick name or whatever is great as long as the reader knows the authors real identity. My gym still enjoys a generic post name of lee murray (so called cos its my porn name) and the guys in the gym can use it if they wish but only if they sign off as themselves. Besides the profile says its our gym which narrows the field.

Oh and Russ regards that other matter. Its moving forward. Go off line for more LOL
Posted: 2007-10-17 08:34:46
Master Sken writes:
"The more someone says or thinks negative,it gives me the more determination."

Well said Sir.

Good luck with the November show, I will phone soon about getting some tickets sent to me, so my students can come and see what its all about. The line up is great, cant wait to watch them all!!

I'll have to wear a adult nappy cos i'm not going the loo and missing a knock out!!!!

Crofty am i still driving a land rover or what??
Posted: 2007-10-17 08:44:56
i would normally let rip and make pete look more of an arse if possible but i am not going to tarnish the thread coz this is gonna be the best show bar none this year,look at me being all mature we will have to remember this moment over christmas noi when im horizontal ha ha ha
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-17 08:56:53
Colin gimme a bell re yer tootsies if you have time, and right now Simon im awaiting final confirmation. But I still have the Range Rovers and Audi Q7's lined up for the transport as part of a sponsorship deal. So if I may i'll get back to ya.

Posted: 2007-10-17 09:39:37

*Sorry, just fell off the chair with peaheads measured response!!!
ha ha ha ha
As everything is in balance, I can expect the "back-swing" from this comment at Xmas. :)
Posted: 2007-10-17 09:54:35
Noi i was on the phone to him this mornin and he never called me " A f**kin big gay" once!!!!
I think he's ill. :-)
Posted: 2007-10-17 10:05:48
I'm going to be the bearer of bad news for this one guys. It's highly unlikely Colin will be fighting on this show. He picked an injury up in his fight last week.

Training has not resumed in any way shape of form. I am giving him until Sunday then I will make a decision. It's about 10% he will fight. Chris Polly is a strong fighter and we need to be on top of our game to beat him. Having a club foot with no ankle shape whatsoever tells me 4 weeks to get it right is impossible.

Master Sken will confirm the shape of it as he's seen the pic.

Bar a small miracle this fight will have to take place in Feb 2008
marc brown
Posted: 2007-10-17 13:31:30
good luck with the show master sken! ive been trainin with andre all this week and i have to say, he`s looking awsome. he had a great fight with nico on our show in crawley and he hasnt got a scratch on him. i think hes made out of steel. also well done to colin, the dutch guy is tough as old boots!
Posted: 2007-10-17 14:34:05
is the televised side of this show still happening or did that all revolve around the Kings Birthday? Would it have just been for Thai television only or were there plans for reaching an English audience?
Posted: 2007-10-17 14:39:30

Posted: 2007-10-17 15:16:23
It will not be LIVE TV but I have my own Productions to film and the Programme will be sold to Television Companies around the World.I had a meetting with French Agent who is working with many TV Companies.European,Middle East TV,Asian TV and Thai TV are very interested in my Shows.It is very good for Muaythai Events.
Posted: 2007-10-17 15:27:45
Hi crazylegs
Pls txt me your address,many thanks
Marc brown,as usual many thanks for your well wish,I know Andre KOTSUR is excellent fighter,very glad to have him on my show.Especially V DUWAO,it is going to be a cracking fight.Pls say Hi to him for me.
All the best
Posted: 2007-10-17 16:01:33

MT gets a lot of coverage on French and Eastern European television, hopefully I will see this show one night when flicking between the satellites!
Posted: 2007-10-17 16:35:26
I am working very hard Phil,finding a right people and right contacts(not what you know but who you know)
pete feeley
Posted: 2007-10-18 08:12:55
master sken or dave croft

noticed that colin johnson mite be unable to compete i have a young lad called john dennis who maybe ready to fight in his place if he unable to compete. contact me by above email. how many rounds? weight 61kgs rules? and which gym is Chris Polly from pleas and experiance thanks.
either way good luck on the show and to all who compete on the day good luck

yours in muay thai sport


ps dave am sorting dvd and dosh humm will sort when se you ok thaks to your lads as well
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-18 09:54:58
HI Pete

Chris Polly trains out of John Craigs Sian Dornadair Scotland.

I spoke with Colin last night and it does indeed look shakey that he will fight so im sure the offer of your lad'll be gratefully recieved.
Master Skens away until this evening so if you can hang fire until then.

Glad the guys did well for you. always good to help.

Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-18 10:40:48
Chris Polly has had 15 fights. of which 13 have been wins. He lost by cut to Craig Shaw and to Thai in a European bout on points.

Chris competes at a max of 62kgs

liam badco
Posted: 2007-10-18 13:15:19
what weight is Duwao vs Kotsur 61.5???
Posted: 2007-10-19 03:58:29
Hi Pete
I am back from Holidays and will contact you today about John Dennis
Duwao V Kotsur is max 61.5 KG-CONFIRMED
Thanks Liam
paulo da silva
Posted: 2007-10-19 06:06:37
cant wait for the show!! kotsur vs duwao is going to be wicked!
andre kotsur is at my gym at the moment and he said he is really looking foward to that fight!
good luck with your fight liam i would love to see you and andre fight i think that would be a wicked fight!
maybe master sken could put that fight on , on is next show?!
good luck with the show master sken i will be there cheering andre on
Posted: 2007-10-19 11:45:25
Many thanks Paulo
Look forward to seeing you,John Jarvis,and Andre again.Yes I will ask Liam if he will fight Andre next time.I am sure it will be excellent fight
Posted: 2007-10-20 00:48:03
Pete Feeley and Bobby Quinn,please get in touch with me.Thanks
Posted: 2007-10-20 15:37:57
Any prediction?
Liam"The Hit Man" Harrison V Numpol
Duwao V Andre Kotsur
Posted: 2007-10-20 15:44:36
Liam win by KO....I doubt he will want to leave it to the judges again this time.

Duwao win on points, but by discombobulation.
After working with him for the past few weeks, he has to be one of the sneakiest, quickest Thai's I have trained with. So sharp, so quick, so sneaky.
Added to the fact that he has only ever been dropped once in his fight career, I dont think Andre has the artillery to bother him.

Both are gonna be cracking fights.....just gutted I am not gonna be there to see it.
Posted: 2007-10-20 15:50:24
hopefully liam by a by dirty left hook of his.
and duwao points or stoppage.
Posted: 2007-10-20 15:50:57
hopefully liam by a big dirty left hook of his.
and duwao points or stoppage.
Posted: 2007-10-20 16:25:16
As the Promoter I will stay neutral,however I am really look forward to see the fights,which I am very proud to organise,it will be very exciting fights.
Don't leave the room unless it's an Interval,you will miss K.O.(S)
Posted: 2007-10-20 16:58:19
lol@ master sken....
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-21 05:26:26
i just had a chat with master sken and one idea put forward which if accepted and trialled succesfully may change the way thai boxing events are run.

basically you have as on this show up to 8 A class, premium fights (when typically the norm would be to have just the one head lining fight) and they will run 1 to 8 without interruption save for required timed intervals. and all this will happen after a break. an interlude if you will. before that will be warm up fights and maybe a demo of sorts. all this whilst people eat, drink and settle in. kinda like the old b movie before the main feature. and its these fights that will get the atmosphere loaded and ready for the main bill.

shows will be judged upon the head line fights and guests can decide their level of committment to time watching.

we'll see
damon brunt
Posted: 2007-10-21 08:20:12
duwao to win easy
liam badco
Posted: 2007-10-21 10:18:00
i think shows should be done as they are in Thailand with the Main fights being in the middle and the lesser experienced fighters being on after the main fights!!!!
Main fights on in the middle then people can chose to stay if they want as for most it will be along drive home!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-21 10:53:22
i always remember thinking how bad it is when the crowd are up and leaving the arena whilst the last fighters are still stood in the ring waiting for the results to be announced. kinda detracts from the moment eh?

with the nature of this show and the card being so loaded with talent it probably aint gonna matter.....or have you a date? tell the truth lol
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-22 03:51:17
ill go for thrasher, hudders and harrison all win by ko. leroy and duwao win pts. will deffo have to get a dvd of this one good luck with the show.
Posted: 2007-10-22 12:50:38
I was thinking to organise the show the same way as in Thailand,I know that many people will leave the show early,trial and tested it did not work very well.I think Liam wants to get it over and done with and heading for a party,don't you think.Liam I keep the best to last,agreed?
marc brown
Posted: 2007-10-22 13:05:15
i think kotsur has the power to stop anyone at that weight, i`ll go kotsur late stoppage or points win!
liam badco
Posted: 2007-10-22 14:12:51
ahhh so your putting Duwao on last then lol...well said master sken Duwao is the best he should be last :) :)

was speaking with Duwao about some of the notches on his belt earlier they include

Anuwat x2
Petaek Sor suwanpakdee
Waterachai Keasamrit
Khunpinit Kaewsamrit
Chanrit SitO

5 fighters and all were champions at Rajadamnern...very impressive! Duwao aint really training much as he is busy teaching but i still dont see him losing! Can Kotsur make 61.5 comfortabley he looks big?
Posted: 2007-10-22 15:17:42
Kotsur won't beat Duwao, get real.
Posted: 2007-10-22 16:25:34
When I promote the shows,I get real good feeling about the fights and Match Making,Duwao V Kotsur will be one of the best fights of the show and the year.I also know that Liam"The Hit man" will want to hit back and get the World Title he deserves,I get the feeling,this is THE REMATCH which many people want to see and support Liam.Numphol is the World Champion will not want to loose his title.Definitely it will be the fight of the year 2007
I understand what you are saying Liam,but...but you are fighting for the WORLD TITLE.Naturally the main event is yours and last fight of the show O.K.
Posted: 2007-10-22 17:30:58
briancal duwao is old now and although still a very very good fighter not the the same as he was when he beat khunpinit anuwat etc and as liam sais not training very hard also kotsur is big too dont count kotsur out he is hard as nails but if money was going on it i would go duwao points but could see kotsur with an upset

i see liam to win via ko this time hopefully wth abhuge barage of punches and not get caught up with the awkward style of numphol
Posted: 2007-10-22 17:57:49
i very much doubt kotsur can stop duwao, ok duwao aint as young as he used to be, but he still fights raja main bouts, and is fit and very very clever, still going duwao points or stoppage.
Posted: 2007-10-23 01:43:11
Duwao is old now?
Come off it..... He must be 26 at the most!
At training last night he was clinching with 70+kg fighters and throwing them all over the ring. He is freakishly strong!
Sure, he is small. He is walking round at 59-60kgs at the moment so has no weight worries, hence he is just play sparring all the time.
This is what thai's do. Its rare to get thai's that train as focussed and as intensly as westerners as we are so hung up on time restraints etc. They just want to have fun.
Theres no doubt that Kotsur is hard as nails, but I think this will be a demonstration showing different leagues. Not necessarily in awesome whack-off power, ending with a KO....more like Duwao being so sneaky, Kotsur wont be able to get near him. Duwao has (infamously) only been dropped once in his fighting career, and this is fighting top level punchers like Anuwat etc.
The skills he has dealt with that list of champions above must tell you something....they dont just leave over night.
I'll still go for Duwao on points.
I'll even go as far to say 50-46 across the board.
paulo da silva
Posted: 2007-10-23 02:23:32
i would love to see kotsur win is going back to belarus to train for this fight so let`s hope he can creat a major upset! but is going to be a hard fight...
Posted: 2007-10-23 03:12:29
I thought Duwao is 30? Although I agree he looks much younger.
Posted: 2007-10-23 03:33:07
Age comes with experiences,experiences come with knowledge,knowledge comes with skill.The Skill is your weapon.Both Duwao and Kotsur have got that.All the best to both fighters.
Posted: 2007-10-23 04:27:25
Young bull and an old bull sat on top of a hill looking down at a field full of cows. The young bull says "Lets run down the hill and have sex with one of them cows". To which the older bull retorts "Tell you what Junior, why dont we walk down this hill and have sex with ALL of them!"

"Age is not, and never should be considered an inability"

Just a couple of poiniant quotes from Fighters mag this month.
Posted: 2007-10-23 05:10:39
marc brown writes:

i think kotsur has the power to stop anyone at that weight, i`ll go kotsur late stoppage or points win!

Power to stop anyone at that weight?
Except Nico Veresen who weighed in light.

These are the matches you want to see, ones that get everyone talking. I think Kotsur was awesome against Nico earlier this month but I have to agree with the Bad Co' boys, Duwao has been in with the very best...and beaten them.

Can't wait
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-23 08:02:41
thailand was old when he fought matt johnson but it was still quite a clear win, i havent seen anyone get up and win from a hitman left hook before so i cant see duwao getting ko'd, will be nice fight to watch though, the nico bout was close and was a cracker
Posted: 2007-10-23 08:03:36
NOI,that's very funny but true
Alix James
Posted: 2007-10-23 08:05:52
Young bull and an old bull sat on top of a hill looking down at a field full of cows. The young bull says "Lets run down the hill and have sex with one of them cows". To which the older bull retorts "Tell you what Junior, forget the hill - turn around!"

And the further moral - even the old and wise can develop :)

Isnt that how it goes?
Posted: 2007-10-23 08:11:07
Theres many ways to skin a cat!!! ha ha ha ha
Posted: 2007-10-23 13:13:28
Can Alan Currie and Ally Smith get in touch with me please,thanks
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-24 03:03:00
I know I oughtta know the answer but thought to post the question in case others didnt know either. How many are seated at the VIP tables? ten? or possibly twelve.
Posted: 2007-10-24 03:44:48
Hi Dave
Ten Seats per Table.VIP TICKETS are booking in Advance only,it's going very fast.Instructors and Fighters who are selling tickets,please confirm and collect money now.I am working on seating plan now.If you wanna get very close to the Ring,please book now.
Posted: 2007-10-24 08:09:20
Anyone has a problem with ordering tickets,please contact me Mob: 07785 733 734
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-24 09:07:38
As I'll be the MC I'll be as close to the action second only to the ref and fighters.
Posted: 2007-10-24 11:33:19
I have been talking to Pele Nathan and would like to add another top quality fighter-Steven Jones 72-74 kg 5x3 Rounds Full Muaythai Rules, Good Purse.Any Instructors have got a fighter to match him?
Posted: 2007-10-25 03:46:27
Chris Polly V John Dennis,any prediction?
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-25 04:21:57
chris has an awsome close range style (mind you i only saw the one fight) and is a lean muscular looking fighter. john i understand boxes (yet to see the pete hurry up and send me a copy) could go either way. which is what its all about. fair fights evenly matched
stewart buchanan
Posted: 2007-10-25 07:49:07
polly win by stopage.
Posted: 2007-10-25 16:33:09
john dennis and chris polly should be a good fight but john should win by a stopage
mr mysterio
Posted: 2007-10-25 16:48:02
Polly to win
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-26 02:55:22
lol even though your not biased. just heard that there are tv companies lining up to programme these fights. thats got to be good for the sport as a whole.
Posted: 2007-10-26 03:47:14
Chris Polly to win, purely biased opinion, as I've never seen john dennis fight. Should be a good one to watch anyway, going by the standard of Chris's previous fights.
Can anyone tell me where the link is to that page that has a picture of the venue, showing the lay out of table etc, I know I've seen it before but I can't find it!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-26 03:57:18
if you google devere hotels reebok the page comes up with all the options. i just tried it. im not to computor literate so cant post a link up for you soz
Posted: 2007-10-26 04:24:29

Reebok De Vere Whites Hotel
Posted: 2007-10-26 04:25:40

Reebok De Vere Whites Hotel
Alix James
Posted: 2007-10-26 07:27:57
Chris is tough and can take punishment - he also is able to fight from a range when he is given more time. So I'm going for Polly on points. Is it full rules?
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-26 12:11:54
i cant see polly getting stopped.

is this the same place crooke fought savate french and tim thomas fought russian?
Posted: 2007-10-26 14:59:35
Liam R.Yes,it's the same palce
I am still looking for an opponent V Steven Jones 72-74kg 5x3 Rounds Full Muaythai Rules.
Posted: 2007-10-27 06:15:39
Leroy Mogardo V Alex Abusin 5x3R FTR for English Title,any prediction?
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-27 06:56:23
not a prediction just a opinion. alex lost last time these guys met in the ring and wants to draw level. leroy comes to the ring on the back of a win against craig so will be bouyant and confident. it will be a worthy fight on a top show.
Posted: 2007-10-27 07:41:51
id go for leroy for a comfortable points win, as dave says hes coming off a good win and will be confident, he proved he had a good chin against tim thomas at pain and glory. it should be a good entertaining fight but i think leroy will take it, but who knows elbows mean cuts. best of luck to both!
Posted: 2007-10-27 10:28:31
I think Alex wants that Rolex, if its still on the table!!!!!
Alex is very dangerous with his elbows. I think Leroy may have a little bit of a height/reach advantage, but Alex is coming down in weight so may have a strength advantage.
Either way its gonna be a cracking fight.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-27 11:01:27
alex has fought above his ideal weight twice now. firstly losing to marc sargent at 72kg. and then a good win against pete adams at 71kg. this ones back at 67kgs so im hoping he will be better suited to competing at this weight.

its alexs first 5 x 3 fight so theres plenty of challenges to over come before we get any where near the ring.

its good to see wainey doesnt see alex losing by any other medium than points. if you're still stood up in the ring fighting you have every chance to win up till the last bell rings.

good luck richard by the way. i'll call ya soon.
Posted: 2007-10-27 15:55:43
I like both of them,Leroy is a rising Star,he has proved himself against very experienced opponent.When I saw him fighting,he's relaxing and enjoying the fight.Alex is very good guy,when he has a focus and a believe in himself.He can fight anyone at this weight.I think at 67 kg is very good weight for him.
It'll be a cracking fight and all the best to both of them.
Posted: 2007-10-28 04:34:31
Many thanks to David Aherne from Cork Muaythai,he has got a fighter,
Denis O'Brien V Steven Jones 5x3 Rounds Full Muaythai Rules-CONFIRMED
I am very pleased to add another quality fight,Steven Jones will always give his best in every fights.
Posted: 2007-10-29 17:30:34
Demo by Chloe and Team Fusion
Posted: 2007-10-29 17:31:56

Demo by Chloe and Team Fusion
Posted: 2007-10-29 18:17:40

Redwan Ameur-WMC European Champion,Paris France V Michael DICKS
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-30 03:41:10
i have to say that the cost of hosting a show comprising solely of A class bouts that would normally be the head lining fights on any show are enormous. like all shows the sponsors are its life blood and ive bled some dry to get extra support. ticket sales are the key so get buying...
Posted: 2007-10-30 17:17:15
Any good shows need good support,please support this show.Thankyou.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-10-30 18:24:29
i got the tickets thanks. they arrived this afternoon. panic over. chat thursday. tommorrows a bad day to chat.

Posted: 2007-10-30 18:33:55
As long as im in condition to walk the next day after my tear up with Rungchai there should be me and a few others coming up for this show Master sken. Im really looking forward to it good luck to everyone on the show.
Posted: 2007-10-30 18:43:22
Hi Damien
Please contact me directly and I will give you and your freinds really good discount.Many thanks.All the best for your fight with Rungchai.Look forward to seeing you.
Posted: 2007-10-30 18:44:48
Many thanks Dave,speak to you soon
Posted: 2007-10-31 02:58:46
Michael Dicks V Redwan Ameur-WMC European Champion,any predictions?
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-31 06:41:59
dicks is fighting Tim Thomas 14 days before, hate to be a killjoy but Tim does hae a habbit of smashing up peoples legs and also 1 hell of a punch on him so i hope theres not a knockout unless you have a backup fighter?
Posted: 2007-10-31 07:06:02
its you
Posted: 2007-10-31 08:28:40
I hope not, Diksy seems to be very confidence.
Yes I have a back up fighter.Are you interested,Liam R?
Liam R
Posted: 2007-10-31 15:31:57
haha what weight lol ask tony
Posted: 2007-10-31 18:33:34
Thanks Wainey we know its not easy we never treat it as any other x
Posted: 2007-11-01 01:36:43
After searching high and low for an opponent for Andy in Europe,there is none.
Finally Stephan Fox,Ralph Beale-WMC and I decided to give this opportunity for Andy to fight for WMC INTERCONTINENTAL TITLE AT 55.38 KG
Name: Juw Tapee
Camp: Kit korwit (Thailand)
Last fight against Tomo Reed Japan for 52.5 kg WMC belt ( Loss on points )
Many thanks to WMC,Stephan Fox and Ralph Beale for making this Title and title fights possible.Your support is much appreciated
The November Month is a very busy month of WMC Sanction for titles in UK
Steve Logan's Show WMC Title fight for Damien Trainor,Dean White's Show-WMC Title fight for Dale White and my show.
1.WMC WOLRD TITLE FIGHT-Liam Harrison V Numphol
2.WMC EUROPEAN TITLE FIGHT-Michael Dicks V Redwan Ameur
*****NOT TO BE MISSED*****

Posted: 2007-11-01 06:23:48
Liam R,I will ask Tony if you can stand by for me at 67 Kg.I am serious.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-01 09:12:02
Yep he's serious! Its showtime! LOL
Peter Smithson
Posted: 2007-11-01 13:56:12
I am rather glad i did not part with my hard earned cash straight away - 3 weeks to go and matches still being made.

Find it hard to see the thinking behind the Lee Morgado rematch or should i say mismatch. I watched the last fight between these two and Lee won with ease against Dave Crofts figher. It would be better to match these two with other fighters. Lee is an A class fighrt and considerably better than Alex who i don't think is an A class fighter yet.

Andy Howsan will KO his opponent if he has lost at 52.5kg. Andy will be too big and strong Why not bring the winner from Japan over?

The two other shows have better fights for the neutral. If you like KO's then the 'Super Show' is for you if you want to watch class truly even matches i'd suggest Damien vs Runchai or the Wolves show.

Posted: 2007-11-01 14:22:15
Thats why we are all going to Master Sken's show Peter cause you talk Shit, so go away and talk more Shit on another thread.
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-01 15:11:47
Peter, I think you'll find that with any show matches are still being made when the date of the show has been announced. Also 9 times out of 10, fights are chopped and changed last minute and that's something that the promoter has to deal with unfortunatly due to last minute hiccups.

You seem to be very narrow minded about this, but hey, Master Sken could easily refuse to sell you a ticket or let you in at the door if you do decide to show up at the show. It would be your loss as there are some cracking fights on that show (and being very biased here) with Laim H looking dangerous and Andy now back on form from injury and Duwao. Not to mention Michael Dicks, Andy Thraser and more. What's not to watch there?!

You are always plugging the Damien vs Rungchai fight as THE fight to see on that show, but what about the other fights that are on that show, you don't mention them if they are "class truely even matches".

The best shows are always (again being biased) Leeds Town Hall and Master Sken's shows! I haven't yet been to a Power Of Scotland yet but they tend to have a good line up.
Big Al
Posted: 2007-11-01 15:43:15
No being biast there beanie, bang on springs to mind!!! £30 to watch what WILL be the show of the year, thats not taking anything away from other shows mind. Peter you obviously think it could be matched better and thats your opinion (a wrong one at that) my opinion is its well worth the £30 I have paid and got a couple of my friends to pay and we will ENJOY it! No fights on this show will be easy for any of the fighters and the better man will win each one. Well done Master Sken for puttin a cracking show together, good luck to you.
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-01 15:50:00
Maybe Peter should have a go at the matching on a big show like that!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-01 16:21:09
im not going to defend my accepting a rematch for alex. and happily conceed this is alexs first A class fight. And indeed whilst im on it will fully acknowledge the last time these two fought alex did not perform to the best of his ability. would you advocate that there are never any rematches? that there could never be extentuating circumstances that pre determined a decision.

Leroys a cracking fighter and im trusting that alex will be a match this time and that it will be a great fight.

i note you still post with negativity and scorn and cannot understand the mileage you get from it. you post with an annonomous profile to which lessens your opinion somewhat. however; every man must choose his own indentity in life and you prefer anonimity.
Posted: 2007-11-01 18:40:59
Like I said a negative,gives me more determination to make it better.
In life we should all accept that there will always be someone dislike you or disagree with you.
Posted: 2007-11-02 03:39:56
You can please some of the people, some of the time.
But you cant please all the people, all the time.
But I would say the majority of people are extremely happy with the way this promotion is panning out.

There maybe many reasons why Peter Smithson chooses to be so negative.
Maybe this is an alias for a coach who fighter has been overlooked.
Maybe this is an alias for someone who merely dislikes seeing the progression of the sport.
At the end of the day Peter Smithson chooses to be a faceless, anonomous name on the internet, and hence detracts from all the comments that he makes. He is not man enough to fill in a profile, and therefore makes his "internet voice" merely just noise.

One way or another there will always be negativity and nay-saying.
At the end of the day, we have a choice in how we respond to this attitude, and as Master Sken says, he uses this to fuel his determination in making things like this work.
Posted: 2007-11-02 05:06:29
Duwao has started warming up and doing a bit of prep to get back in to fight shape.
Mr Smith held pads for him yesterday and he did a couple of rounds.

He looked awesome.
Everything looked so effortless, but with a hellish snap/crack on the end of every technique.


Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-02 05:24:21
tell him to stop being lazy, seen him on pads with Vorapet he gets beasted in thailand, beast the gremlin!i see people mentioning wolves show and rungchai show but there is also another top show on at York hall with some good matches on it, worth a mention definitely. Can we see harrison on the pads? I think he is gonna stop him in this rematch, go Liam.
Posted: 2007-11-02 05:29:17
Peter Smithson id like to fight the winner too, but as Master Sken say's he has searched for an opponent and can't find one. I was wanting to move down weight for this fight to 53.5kgs for the wmc euro title and was looking forward to it but as Master Sken has said Dale White is fighting for that title thew week before the supershow, he was promised the fight by wmc so i have to fight at 55kgs again, not up to me who i fight i leave that to the relevent people and trust there match making. Weight makes no difference Duwao is walking around at 60.5kgs at the mo and fights at 61.5kgs in Thailand and is ranked no 5 at Raja at that weight, he could easily make 57-58kgs to fight at that weight but he doesn't have to, he give's away weight and still wins with ease, most Thai's do. When i fought Kantipong 2 years ago it was at 55kgs and he is no1 at Raja at 53kgs but he weighed in at 57kgs for our fight, makes no difference so stop been a bell end and trying to take away people's achievments, you clearly no fuck all. Damiens fight with Rungchai is gunna be a cracker, but who else is on the show is all people are saying??? On Master Skens show there is at least 8 fights that could be the main event of any show and all that for 30quid is a bargin. You go and enjoy your show in birmingham and while im on it good luck Damien mate, hope you do the business this time around and hope to see you at Master Skens the following day fit and well. Peter......... get a life.
Posted: 2007-11-02 07:33:18
Hi Master Sken,
Its not easy promoting as we all know. Its very stressful! I wish you all the best with the show and am sure it will be cracker and not to be missed. All the best.
marc brown
Posted: 2007-11-02 07:56:00
well said andy! you can only fight who is put in front off you, and he a`nt no mug. mybe mr smithson should arrange the fight between you and guy who won in japan.
Posted: 2007-11-02 08:49:37
Noi,Tricia,Andy,Marc brown,briancal,Big Al,beanie baby and many well wishers to me and this promotion,I would like to thank you all.
Like Tricia said promoting the show is stressing,taking time,money and effort
plus personal sacrifice.
Overall I found that many trainers,fighters,promoters are working together as I found out that so many trainers,fighters and promoters have attended my shows in the past years.
Muaythai community is still very small and we still need each others.Some times
we fall out with whatever reason,I myself never intent to do wrong to no one.
It has been 30 years of my life in UK,I can offer my service as best of my ability to Muaythai and everyone involved.
I would like to ask Peter Smithson to organise the show yourself then you will find out how it's done.Probably you can do it better,I will take my hat off for you.
We are on the same boat,we must row the boat together.If one or many of us put feet in the water while others row the boat.We will get no where or much slowing down.
We are thinking about ourselves,of course likely so.But if we can do think for others,please do so.It will make our World is better place."Taking is in our nature,but giving will get rid of our greed".Let's help each other.
Posted: 2007-11-02 19:03:02
The best man wins on the day,Leroy did win last time but Alex is tough and both learned alot from it,yes he outclassed Craig Shaw (who is a top guy too)
but Leroy is getting paid for this well and its the belt he wants,am not arsed what others think or say we do it our way it will be a good show if your not going thats upto you but the venue is great good luck to all love V x
marc brown
Posted: 2007-11-03 04:35:41
well said master sken! keep doing what your doing, its appreciated by most off us!
Posted: 2007-11-03 08:30:39
Mnay thanks marc brown,always appreciate your support.
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-03 14:26:46
good on you vin
Posted: 2007-11-04 05:10:49
Pele Nathan,please give me a call.I am sure your out of order.Thanks
Posted: 2007-11-04 07:24:45
I think pele is in Thailand sir, I got the tickets and posters but might need more, i'll call and get some if I do. Looking forward to a great show
Posted: 2007-11-04 08:12:29
Many thanks crazylegs,now I know why.Please give me a call when you can,I'd like to talk to you.
Posted: 2007-11-04 08:41:13
good luck to leroy and u vinster.
Peter Smithson
Posted: 2007-11-04 10:40:12
I think the situation and the intention of my posts has been misunderstood. All i am saying is that the 'superfights' show does not live up to the hype we experienced prior to the line up being announced. With names like anuwat being banded about i expected a 'super' show. These fights are not super matches there i 5 which (in my opinion) will be one sided.

To the people posting unpleasant comments towards me if you wish to watch 80/20 fights that is your choice i would rather watch 3 close fights than 10 with a clear favourite!

chris mcgough
Posted: 2007-11-04 11:07:25
peter smithson,
As stated before, you're entitled to your opinion even when your wrong, like in this case.
As for the "hype" the super show has lived upto the hype, this will show in how many attend this fantastic show, put on by Master Sken.
Who are you to critisise Master Sken who has been putting on some fantastic shows since the early 80's.
What's your record, where's your proven expertease in Muaythai. These questions won't be answered because all your good for is critisising and trying to put people down.
You sad man.

chris mcgough (real name)

Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-04 11:40:52
to be fair pete your opinion lacks validity as a consequence of your continued anonimity. no one has said you are not entitled to your opinion and indeed master sken invited you to better his efforts by putting on your own show and really showing how it should be done.

im a little disapointed that you feel some of the matches lack substance because of either previous encounters/results (as you pre suppose with alex and leroy) or weight disadvantages or indeed because they are simply rematches full stop.

surely a fighter may improve his game and develop? I once had a fighter (still have but the pies got to him) who back then was a match for all the top line fighters of the day harrison, cadden, mc donald, khan and so fourth. but not now! they have continued to develop and far outstretched his achievements. he retired they continued. can a figher not develop to repeat my question?
can a promoter not host a fight that many would love to see again or one that trades experience for weight dis/advantages?

infact i confess I had considered asking the moderators for your identity i was so incensed by your post content but then pulled myself up and smiled. fully realising you are both entitled to your opinion and anonimity. you write well and from an informed platform. it would carry more sway if you announced who you were would be my only observation.
Posted: 2007-11-04 11:46:08
to Peter Smithson

if you don't have anything constuctive to say then don't say anything at all. its no good heckling from behind a closed profile cos all it does is make you look like a sad man as chris mcgough says. its easy to pour scorn from behind a computer screen. what are you doing to promote muay thai in this country??

i for one don't care who was 'supposed' to be on the show. the £35 on the door fee is a bargain to see Liam vs Numpon, Duwao, Andy Howson, Andy Thrasher, Michael Dicks and Frankie Hudders and all the hype is richly deserved. i don't think the intention of your posts has been misunderstood at all. its not what you say its the way you say it as my old man says.

best of luck with the show Master Sken and to all the people fighting on it.

Posted: 2007-11-04 16:19:38
master sken,
if you need to contact pele urgently,you could always try tricia or email
kind regards
Posted: 2007-11-04 16:47:34
Many thanks chillibulldog,I have emailed Tricia.
I do take pride with Match Making,if anyone has been to my last show.It was very well matched.
The Super Show, I am certain there will be no miss-matches on my show.
When someone is clearly wanting to be negative, you will not be able to change that person's mind.
Let's smile and walk away.

Mr Smith
Posted: 2007-11-05 06:31:54
I'm not sure which bouts will be one sided as they all look like great matches to me.

Liam Harrison v Numpon PK Sterio was one of the most exciting and controversial fights of the year and the rematch will be worth the ticket money alone. Never mind the opportunity to see TWO currently active Stadium ranked Thais on one show.

I personally cant wait to see this fight and I also cant wait to see Duwao v Kotsur as I know how good both fighters are. This fight is anything but one sided. I've been padworking Duwao and I cant wait to see him fight again.

Andy Howson's opponent Juw Tapee last fought for the WMC World Title at 52.5kg against Tomo Reid from Japan. Andy isnt fighting the winner of that fight because otherwise he'd be challenging for the WMC World Title. Tapee will be a good test for Andy and has recently fought at a higher level.

Dicks v Ameur is also interesting - Ameur is a typical well schooled, experienced and strong French fighter and this fight alone woiuld be be a main event on most other shows.

If Peter Smithson thinks that there will be better shows to go to thats fine and is up to him. Damian Trainor v Rungchai will be a great fight on a good show, Dean Whites show the week before and Muay Thai Superfights this weekend. So rather than getting upset and turning on one another we should be happy that the sport is so strong with so many great shows and choice for supporters.

Ax Team
Posted: 2007-11-05 07:27:15
I have tried to clean up this thread without taking away any of the discussion elements.

What has been removed are the posts that are off topic and that relate to "who is who" or what was said on other threads.

If you have a particular issue about the moderation of this thread or about something that someone has posted that breaks the rules then contact us via e-mail as moderation discussion is not allowed on the forum. (see forum rules)

I will make the point that opinions are allowed and you have 2 options if you dislike what someone says. You either debate it with them or you ignore them.

Please keep to the topic.
Posted: 2007-11-05 07:48:58
I don't think that £30 for the quality of fights on this show is to much to ask.

I also see no point in trying to guess which anonomous person is which, just don't get involved in arguments as to who is who and who said what. The shows will be judged by the fights on them.

I also agree with Richard, we should be celebrating the quality of shows that are being put on almost every weekend in this country!
Posted: 2007-11-05 15:49:08
Liam was brilliant last time in scotland the best i have seen as excited as Sandy at the hairdressers or me at happy hour in the boozer x
Posted: 2007-11-06 03:48:37
Martin Horgan(Siam Cork),please give me a call.Thanks
Posted: 2007-11-06 10:45:13
Thanks to Martin Horgan and David Aherne for help.
Posted: 2007-11-07 04:06:00

Please anyone can help to identify this mystery fighter who sent the Photograph to me yesterday and the email with "thaidc".Thanks
Posted: 2007-11-07 04:26:49
its darren cashman from cork, ireland, 63kgs
Posted: 2007-11-07 05:35:24
Many thanks irishthai
What Martin is trying to do,sent me his Fighter's photo but with no name.
Darren Cashman will be fighting against Panikos from STF Stockport.
Trainer is Paul Tite.This fight will be really good fight.
martin siam
Posted: 2007-11-07 05:36:17
i got him to send the photo himself he likes to send photos of himself
Posted: 2007-11-07 12:41:19

Panikos Yusuf-Cyprus National Champion.
Posted: 2007-11-07 14:23:57
good luck with the show sounds awsome will be there myself and remember nobody ever erected a statue in memory of a critic. it is far easier to critizise than to actualy get up and try to acheive something keep up all the good work you do to acheive things for a wonderfull art and life
Posted: 2007-11-08 03:34:49
Many thanks pingu2,very well said.I said this before:
Total Dedication and Total Determination,you will achieve much in Life.
All the best
pete feeley
Posted: 2007-11-08 08:28:06

john dennis spartan gym
pete feeley
Posted: 2007-11-08 08:29:40

danny hadfield spartan gym
pete feeley
Posted: 2007-11-08 08:31:11
hi master sken have emailed you pic of john and dan as requested can you let me know if you got them please

see you soon

pete spartan
Posted: 2007-11-08 09:13:37

Hi Pete
Yes,I recieve the Photos,send this photo again Axer will have a neckache with your Photo.
Posted: 2007-11-08 09:15:17

Danny Hadfield
pete feeley
Posted: 2007-11-08 10:59:32

john dennis spartan gym
Posted: 2007-11-08 11:12:35
John Dennis nice kid too.
Posted: 2007-11-08 11:26:39
lookin forward to watchin j dennis rippin it up. have seen him at a couple of shows a while ago.ace boxingb skills
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-09 02:30:44
some of the sponsors asked if the menu was available to review before the event?

if it is could i take a copy.

thank you
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-09 02:35:19
nearly forgot. talking of sponsors. Both Audi and Range Rover confirm the vehicles for your guests.
Posted: 2007-11-09 06:35:52
Hi Dave
I will send it to you,thanks to Sponsor with Cars for Guests.
Take care.
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-09 08:58:36
switch hitter, one of the guys above was orthodox then southpaw in the pics, nice work!
Posted: 2007-11-09 12:44:07
90 degree rotation,good technique/tactic Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-12 04:29:41
I have been to Wolverhamton to see the fight last night,it was excellent fights.Noi,sorry to see you got a cut and the fight stop so soon and wish you get well soon.Congratulation to Imran,he was very sharp.
Micheal Dicks had also got a cut to eyebrow by Tim Thomas, unfortunately he will not be fighting at my show.But I will confirm the fighter when WMC approves the Sanction.
Posted: 2007-11-12 09:08:41
Good Luck with the show Master Sken.
Posted: 2007-11-12 09:47:24
Hi beaty
Many thanks,hope you are well.
Can you make to my Interclub Sunday 9th December?
Posted: 2007-11-12 12:05:37
cant make it Master Sken, our junior goldenbelt championship show is the day
before, i appreciate the invite thankyou..
Posted: 2007-11-12 23:54:32
hi M sken just letting you know,all good to go and have sent everything to gym for Kay...:)Good luck with show!!
Posted: 2007-11-13 00:05:16
No prob,beaty.See you in the near future.All the best.
Thankyou,hope to visiting you in Austraaa-lia in the near future.Take care.
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-13 07:07:39
Goodluck Badco and Duwao but i dont think you will need it. I'll go for 2 out of the 3 by stoppage.

Good luck with the show Master Sken, the Hitman rematch is class im glad u could pull it off.
Posted: 2007-11-13 14:14:15
Many thanks Liam R, hope to see you at the show.
It has been hard works but it's nearly there until the day of the fight and no one else to take care of, but myself and family.Then I know that it's all over
with another show.

Posted: 2007-11-13 14:14:52
all the best to hitman and duwao, do the business lads. im sure theres no need but chok dee .
Posted: 2007-11-14 05:26:33
Aw thats nice Wainey you big gay, leave me out why don't ya???lol.
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-14 05:53:46
haha take that go go gadget elbow for wainey
stewart buchanan
Posted: 2007-11-14 06:40:39
good luck master sken for this cracking be cumming down for this 1.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-14 07:11:14
The sponsor we spoke about last night apologises and is to transfer funds into the highlighted account.

Alledgedly he has had a change of banker and the over lap period has endured teething difficulties from one bank to another.

He seemed most genuine. Keep me posted and I 'll get onto him

Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-14 07:18:24
Is it true thay are making UK Gangster film on you Crofty! ha
Posted: 2007-11-14 07:26:15
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-14 08:27:43
My client is unable to discuss on going allegations regarding negociations with various film companies

Best Regards

Croftys Solicitor

Posted: 2007-11-14 11:20:45
Really looking forward to this show and a great venue(The way forward?)
Good luck to all fighters and trainers taking part.
Also,To Master Sken for putting on a show like this, all the best of luck and i'm sure it will be a great success.
Posted: 2007-11-14 11:51:43
Dave,No Problem and will call you.
Many thanks to stewart buchanan,timpson and chalky
Your support and kind words gave me a strength and determination to promote Muaythai for better.
we need each other to give Muaythai as a Spectacular Ring sport a very big push forward.
I would like to see many more Professional fighters and earning a good living out of Muaythai as a Sport.
One day we may find a real good businessman to invest time and money in our sport.Then we will see our sport reaching another level.
I do promote Muaythai out of passion,I enjoy to see good fights with good techniques.
It's a long long road,but we make our first step and many more steps,one day we will reach our destination.
We will never know what tomorrow brings, as life is full of surprises.
"Let's create our own destiny".
mr mysterio
Posted: 2007-11-14 12:55:42
All the best Master Sken, i am sure it will be the best show of the year.
Posted: 2007-11-14 13:50:37
sorry andrew, oh and have a shave before the show, and a wash, lol. chok dee
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-15 05:21:40
a shave AND a wash? its not christmas yet kid steady on i think u had too many traffic light shots last night
Posted: 2007-11-15 13:03:05
Thank you mr mysterio
Notice to all who will be attending the Show.
Please look at the links: How to get to De Vere Whites Hotel

For Sat Nav: Post Code:BL6 6SF

De Vere Whites is located just 500 yards off Junction 6 of the M61.

By Rail
Horwich Parkway Station - 400 yards, Manchester City Centre - 45 minutes, Wigan Wallgate - 6 miles, Bolton Trinity Street - 5 miles

By Air
Manchester - 24 miles

Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-16 07:06:32
9 days left as though you needed reminding eh?
pete feeley
Posted: 2007-11-16 07:10:43
how many days left dave ha ha. lads really looking forward to this one it aint coming fast enough for them. good luck to all on the bill.

Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-16 07:47:34
Whoops. In my defence I gave that post no thought at all LOL!
Posted: 2007-11-16 08:16:40
Best of luck to Master Sken and all the fighters........................Hope Mike Dicks eye is healed?
Posted: 2007-11-17 00:53:23
Thanks Rbouble,I hope you are well.Are you coming to the show?
Michael Dicks is out but Andy Thrasher will be fighting Redwan Ameur.
Posted: 2007-11-17 07:11:34
best of luck thrash mate, do the biz !
Posted: 2007-11-17 08:46:18
So Dave ,just remind me , When is the show again lol

Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-11-17 09:19:26
Looking forward to this, hope everything runs smooth in the last week!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-17 10:07:57
doh? next sunday! which makes it 8 days. kinda like a advent calender for collatoral damage!
Posted: 2007-11-17 10:45:59
Don't usually post any comments on here, but felt it would be rude not to thank Master Sken for giving me this oppotunity.He has gone to a lot of trouble to arrange this at short notice, despite the fact that with only 9 days left (dave) ;-) he has an awful lot on his plate, just goes to prove the critics wrong again. Master Sken works very hard to put on the best shows he possibly can, at times with little thanks or profit. Just hope i can do the job and make it 3 out of 3 for england, while I'm here i might as well wish howson, liam and Duwao the best of luck, was up there sparring with them last week, it's going to be a very exciting show, cannae wait pets.
Posted: 2007-11-17 11:45:34
You were sparring with me aswell trashpants!! Although liam & co pushed you more than me! ha ha!
Good luck mate, if you dont win you can always take up netball!! you've got the legs for it! LOL
Posted: 2007-11-17 12:30:13
sorry si mate, that's why i don't post, as i'm always dropping myself in it, didn't mention you as you're not on same show, but you're looking good pal,(nice technique too ;-) your fight is 3 weeks off isn't it? when you win i'll treat you to a smoothie
Posted: 2007-11-17 13:09:49
Oh god, who's let Thrasher on the internet, as if it wasn't hard enough to get him in to the gym anyway.....
Posted: 2007-11-17 13:26:32
sorry gaffer, but you don't have to worry, this writing lark doesn't sit too well with me, infact i think those left hooks from harrison have scrambled me brainbox, i'm going back to my chalk board ;-)
Posted: 2007-11-17 13:27:27
sorry gaffer, but you don't have to worry, this writing lark doesn't sit too well with me, infact i think those left hooks from harrison have scrambled me brainbox, i'm going back to my chalk board ;-)
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2007-11-17 16:48:04
hahahahaha lol my Mate Andy thrasher da Basher ( he dont like that but helps him win ) :-) :-p
Dazza you get my e-mail ref: 30 years ?

and Anyone want a shout from my back garden :->
( sunny Bolton by the Sea )ie: im doing the Commentary for master Sken, cant wait for this show and so close to home wicked !
Good luck to all on it and Not happy i will have to wear a suit again... :-(( ( i hate suits )
And take a look at the Spirit of Sport Statue right Next to the reebok stadium / de-vere whites, its in the middle of the Roundabout, andeveryone has to pass it to get to the shoiw. Im proud to have my ugly mug on it along with the Super Bolton man Amir khan.
it is a nice statue mind
i think its
off subject sorry

Dave how long this time ? :-p
Jordan Calder
Posted: 2007-11-17 17:09:47
good luck to Duwao, Liam and Andy
Posted: 2007-11-18 04:28:12
Drama,stress,joy mixed feeling but I am excited and look forward to see all the fights.
Many thanks to Andy,really appreciated.
Gary O'Brien,you are a Gentleman,always trying to help.Look forward to seeing you at the show.Please confirm how many of you are coming down.
Posted: 2007-11-18 04:34:55
I love Thrasher!!! I'll say anything for one of those smoothies....make space for the title belt mate it's on its way to your gym. I can feel it in my lower regions! :-p
Posted: 2007-11-18 14:01:46
Hi Master Sken,
Good luck with the show as some class fights there. Eight of my guys will be travelling over from Dublin to see it, gutted I cant make it myself.

Also thank you for arranging Eric Darricarrere to fight at the last minute on our Armageddon show in Dublin. He had a good win against an up and coming Irish lad winning by 2nd round stoppage with leg kicks.

Thanks again,
Posted: 2007-11-18 14:57:50
Dear Paul
Many thanks for looking after Paul Karpowicz and Eric Darricarere
I know it's very short notice but to help my freind,it's my pleasure.
I am glad the show went on very well,finally.I am also very glad that Eric did win the fight.As your team is coming from Dublin to the show.Have they got any where to stay? I will try to help with booking hotel for them or contact to Acton Court Hotel Direct and quote my name,you will get 50% discount.
Acton Court Hotel Tel:0161 483 6172 and good Thai Restaurant is Siam Village
Tel:0161 480 1654 Any thing that I can do for you please give me a call.
Look forward to seeing you next year.
P.S. Each ticket will be a discount of £5 per ticket for them.All the best.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-19 03:17:20
Hi Master Sken. I had been in contact with Paul and have some tickets set aside for him already. I will sell them at the discounted price you offer.

I will confirm the executive vehicles today as well.

Speak soon
Posted: 2007-11-19 06:06:31
That's fine Dave,please arrange tickets for them.
Posted: 2007-11-19 16:20:42
***Northwest Area Championship-FTR
1.Dave Southern V Danny Hadfield
***Super Prestige Fight-FTR
2.Panikos Yusuf(Cyprus) V Darren Cashman (Ireland)
***Super Prestige Fight-FTR
3.Steven Jones(England) V Denis O'Brien (Ireland)
***British Championship Fight-FTR
4.Steven Brown(Scotland) V John Denis(England)
***English Championship Fight-FTR
5.Leroy Morgado V Alex Abusin
***Super Prestige Fight-FTR
6.Andy Thrasher(England) V Redwan Ameur (European Champion)-France
***Super Prestige Fight-FTR
7.Duwao Kongudom(Thailand) V Sofione Derdega( Frence Champion)-France
***WMC Intercontinental Championship-FTR
8.Andy Howson(England) V Jao-Tapee Kiat Korwit-Thailand
***WMC World Championship-FTR
9.Liam"The Hitman"Harrison(England) V Numpon PK STERIO-CHAMPION-Thailand
Master Sken World Wide Active Team
Kru Tony Moore-Krabi Krabong
Chloe Bruce and Team Fusion-World Champion Kata
Gravity Control-Break Dance.

Posted: 2007-11-19 16:21:11
Hi Master Sken,

Thanks for that, the lads are really looking forward to the show. They wont need accommodation as they are flying over Sunday morning and returning that night but thanks again for the offer. And thanks to Dave for arranging tickets.

Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-11-19 16:47:26
Really looking forward to the show! I'll hopefully let you know the numbers coming down with me by Wednesday Master Sken. Best of luck to Stevie Brown and all of the fighters for that matter!
Posted: 2007-11-19 17:09:33
Many thanks Paul Kelly and Gary O'Bien,looking forward to seeing you.
Next year and my next show,I must insist all fighters and trainers to sign a contract to commit both parties into an agreement and must adhere to it.
It has been one of the most difficult one this time.But finally,we have 9 fights on,I can assure you that they will be real good fights.
Big Al
Posted: 2007-11-20 02:55:06
Does anyone know what the dress code will be on sunday, for both ringside and normal seating? Thanks.
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-20 03:42:17
what happened to Kotsur? is he ok? whats the french like?
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-20 03:43:55
found him, its Sofiane not Sofione according to the site undefeated.
Posted: 2007-11-20 03:48:32
Good Luck with the show Master Sken.
Posted: 2007-11-20 05:08:07
Many thanks LETHAL-LEIF2.See you soon.
Liam R,thank you.
I can not find any excuse for Kotsur as he took another fight some where else last Friday,after he has agreed to fight on my show.
Posted: 2007-11-20 05:10:24
Spice Boys (Liam and Andy Bad Co) don't even think about trying to swap running order with Thrash Pants, it ain't happening!!!!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-20 05:19:55
dress men in dresses allowed!
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-20 05:23:06
maybe he saw duwao on the pads! its good that u got replacement so quick.
Posted: 2007-11-20 06:06:14
Yes,Liam R. Many good freinds help.
Posted: 2007-11-20 06:13:14
Sorry if i missed it in this long thread? No Frankie Hudders?
Good luck to all and Master Sken.See you all there.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-20 06:40:21
Frankie pulled out ages ago. Obviously Michaels pull out was unexpected but one of those things that happen in such a violent sport as muay thai. Kotsurs decision was inexusable and will now prompt a situation that requires fighters and trainers to enter into contracts. Another step closer to having muay thai recognised as a top flight professional sport in this country.

Posted: 2007-11-20 06:59:56
Its a shame kotsur has pulled out, hopefully it will lead to fighters having to sign contracts and dedicate to one show. The original line up was better but what can you do? Good luck M.Sken hope it all runs smooth.
liam badco
Posted: 2007-11-20 07:44:25
so he just took another fight and that was that??????? thats ridiculous!!!!

Dazza ive already phoned master sken asking if its ok to swap Duwao with Thrasher or someone as me and Andy need him for our corner and help get us ready if thats cool with you?
Posted: 2007-11-20 09:33:48
Yes, a contract will be a way forward.I will do it for my next show.Boxing,MMA,UFC,Wrestling and other Sports do it,so should we.
I had a meetting with my Solicitor last week.I am preparing and moving forward right now.
Posted: 2007-11-20 09:53:24
who is kotsur fighting then? surely it cant be a bigger than a fight with duwao.
Luke Phillips
Posted: 2007-11-20 13:08:48
Posted: 2007-11-20 14:20:29
No one knows yet who he will fight in Thailand.The Match Making Kotsur V Duwao
was top quality.
But let's watch Duwao V Sofiane Derdega,Frence fighters have proved themselves in Muaythai World.
Andy Thrasher V Redwan Ameur,do not go to the toilet,you will miss a KO.
Andy Howson has got a dynamite in his hands V Jao Tapee is tough and technical,he will want this title back to Thailand.
Liam"The Hit man" can hit with punches and last fight his ko'd was by Elbow.
I did not see Numpon against Liam,I believe he is very technical.He will want to prove he is the Champion.
Panikos is very technical but Darren Cashman is very tough and relentless.
Dave Southern is very technical but Danny Hadfield is very strong and determine.
Steven Brown is very tough against John Dennis, who has dangerous punches and very tehnical and experienced Trainer:Peter Feeley
Steven Jones is always very dangerous V Dennis O'Brien who will come to fight and bring the fight to Steven,it will be a battle.
Leroy Morgado is a Rising Star,you will never be disappointed with his style of fighting and hungry for the Title V Alex Abusin who is very eager to win this fight(The Rematch)When he is focus and believe in himself,he is very dangerous.
We always have only fights ,I try to give Spectators entertainment,let's watch the demonstrations and relaxing.
Have a good day at the show.Thank you to you all.

Posted: 2007-11-20 16:15:50
Swap it with someone else then lol. You don't want Andy on just before any of you, you never know what will happen.

Leroy v Alix, safer bet lol sorry Dave and Vinny

Or one of the demos

Thrasher has mangled my leg today, if he's still in one piece after the Frenchman I am gonna take a baseball bat to him in training next week!!!!!!!!
Posted: 2007-11-21 00:14:29
Sorry to hear the Duwao V Kotsur fight isnt happening.
To take a fight only 2 weeks before fighting Duwao is ridiculous.
Glad you got a replacement fighter so quick.

I am gutted I cant be there to see this whole show.

Good luck to Master Sken for the promotion. Hope it all runs smoothly.

Chokdee to the Hitman, Andy, Thrasherpants, Duwao and the AK47 Abusin.
Posted: 2007-11-21 00:25:18
Hi Noi
Trying to contact you.Are you in Thailand? Please text me Tel.No of Gravity Control Group and confirm every thing.All the best for your fight in Thailand.
Thank you.
Posted: 2007-11-21 00:53:23
Hello Master Sken,
Yeah, I am in Thailand.
I will text you their number asap.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-21 03:02:55
Alex and Leroy are where they are on the bill so I can assist with the show. And no offence it aint fight on the top of the bill. but then so many top fights its difficult to know what to do.

im sure it'll come out in the final stages just fine.
Luke Phillips
Posted: 2007-11-21 06:55:51
i cant wait yes im in school
im so cited
Posted: 2007-11-21 07:10:19
Only 4 more sleeps, can't wait.
Minibus is booked, let the banter commence.
Best of luck to Liam, Andy, Leroy and ofcourse Master Sken.
stewart buchanan
Posted: 2007-11-21 07:39:40
good luck stevie brown and all the other fighters on the show.
Posted: 2007-11-21 07:48:48
Only 4 more sleeps until you get slaughtered all the way down and all the way back. But thats the norm you big GAYLORD. And any shit I'll set the wee man on you, just incase anyone doesn't know Dougie is 120 kilos and he sparred with Jordan the other week who is 54 kilos and lets just put it this way Dougie hasn't been back at the gym since, he now says he has pulled a muscle on his side. Right you are Dougie, he battered you, End Of.

Posted: 2007-11-21 09:30:33
For anyone wondering...that's my good mate Brian, lol.
Who needs enemies?
Posted: 2007-11-22 01:17:10
Just remind people who got VIP TICKETS,please arrive at the Venue latest 12.00 Noon.My assistants will take you to your seats.Thank you.
Anyone who booked tickets via my website and still not recieve them,please give me a call.Mob:07785 733 734.
Fighters and trainers,please be for a weigh-in at 6.00 P.M. at my Gym.
Direction:North Bound M60 J.27 4th Exit,South Bound M60 J.26 2nd Exit.
Wood Banks Works,Turncroft Lane,Offerton,Stockport SK1 4AR
Tel:0161 4299660
Look forward to see everyone.
Posted: 2007-11-22 03:48:41
good luck to all on the show and i am right in saying liam has never lost whilst fighting on a master sken promotion after maybe 8 fights or somewhere near that figure , and it wont happen again .
Posted: 2007-11-22 04:27:54
Yes splinter,Good point.Liam has never lost on my show.
liam badco
Posted: 2007-11-22 06:48:24
i have only lost in wolverhampton and in leeds whilst fighting in uk and only at Rajadamnern in Thailand...all losses have come against Thais and all are ex champions or currently the moment i have fought 5 fighters who are currently in top 10 rankings at Raja which i am very proud of.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-22 07:07:12
and I threw you out of Bar Risa too! LOL See ya Sunday
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-22 08:45:36
did u get your manicure sorted after that broken nail throwing him out dave?
Posted: 2007-11-22 09:53:27
Hi Sandy, I hear you're commentating on this show, Can you do me a favour and not tell people i'm on the game please pal. I keep on getting people coming up to me offering me a tenner for a gobble :-(
Posted: 2007-11-22 11:58:42
good luck with the show Master Sken and good luck Liam and Andy!
Posted: 2007-11-22 13:15:51
liam badco
Posted: 2007-11-22 13:59:12
you didnt throw me out you advised me to leave after mark lee started a fight then got decked :)
Posted: 2007-11-23 01:15:43
Hi Rob
Many thanks,I hope to see you beginning of next year.Eric will be with you soon
Take care.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-23 02:47:09
LOL Liam. See ya at the weight in and Fights.....
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-23 02:50:35
and being asked to leave is considered a points victory lol
Posted: 2007-11-23 11:13:22
Kotsur fought a French/Algerian lad on a show in Russia 2 weeks ago. It was live on Eurosport and just happened across it whilst channel hopping. I thought it strange he was fighting so close to Master Skens show but thought nothing of it.

I think it was some sort of prestigious Muay Thai showcase i.e. the annual top show in Russia, but still no excuse. Poor conduct, poor respect.

Posted: 2007-11-23 11:20:08
Good luck to Andy Thrasher, Leroy Morgado and Super Vinny lol, Duwao and finally the spice girls Liam and Andy lmao.

I've just finished the entrance music and it is disgraceful thats all I'm gonna say.
Posted: 2007-11-23 11:36:16
Yeah good luck lads, I`m sure you`ll bring home the bacon.
Posted: 2007-11-24 08:04:03
Thanks Brian,just want to make sure we all give it our best,last one of year for most of us so lets go out with a bang
paulo da silva
Posted: 2007-11-24 09:35:52
John Jarvis writes:
Good luck Master Sken with this Super show, it will be 1 of the very best this year!My apologies again about Kotsur but he got picked for World Games,Free 3 week trip, 2 weeks training, 1 week tournament representing his country.
I know he shouldnt of gone back on his word but it was his dream to go to Thailand to train and compete in the games....

All the best to Vinny and Kneeroy!
Mr Phillips and Thrashpants... (I didnt know he was on the game)
And Mr Smith, Liam and Mr Howson....

I wont be there now but be willing you all on from down Sooouuuthhhfff!!
Posted: 2007-11-24 13:43:00
Just back form weigh in, didn't see them all but

Thrasher 66.5m Ameur 67.7
harrison 61.9, PK Sterio 62
Howson under 53, Thai 53

Think a few were skipping, got caught out by Master Sken's all knew singing and dancing posh scales.

Can't wait!!!!!!!!
Posted: 2007-11-24 14:20:24
Good luck every one!!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-24 15:09:15
those scales are a nightmare. Lerot was 67.3 Alex after an hours skipping 67.6...

Alex has been and remains constipated. Thats what happens when you cut back on food. The body goes into shut down.

got there in the end.

Craig Hanuman
Posted: 2007-11-24 15:35:33
Best of luck to all involved tomorrow, especially Liam H, Andy H, Andy Thrasher and ofcourse Duwoa !!!

Counting the hours to a great promotion...
liam badco
Posted: 2007-11-24 15:48:25
Howson under 53 lol you wish....Howson 55.3 Namphon was 62.2.....Duwao was 61 clothed french was 62.5 naked.
Posted: 2007-11-24 15:52:17
Good luck to us the rest can get ****** lol jokin be good old from Vinsters x
Posted: 2007-11-24 16:34:52
See you all tomorrow,have to get up at least 5.A.M.Still not finish my preperation yet.All the best to all fighters and trainers.Have a save Journey everyone.Please give me a call or text if you need me 07785 733 734.
Posted: 2007-11-24 17:44:24
doah got it wrong,

Does Duwao ever stop smiling??
Posted: 2007-11-25 08:18:06
ive never seen him not smile. although sometimes you ca catch him in thought.! good luck andy thrash mate, best of luck to hitman, andy h, and especially duwao!
Posted: 2007-11-25 09:29:05
any results yet??
Little Thai
Posted: 2007-11-25 10:25:25
Duwao won 2nd round
Howson won 2nd or 3rd
Posted: 2007-11-25 10:32:36
excellent big congrats to duwao!!! congrats andy h.
Posted: 2007-11-25 10:38:03
well done duwao. congrats to andy!!!

whens liam fighting???
Little Thai
Posted: 2007-11-25 10:51:49
Thrasher got beat on points
Posted: 2007-11-25 10:55:04
unluky andy mate, next time ay.
Posted: 2007-11-25 12:37:47
Well done to David Southern and trainer Mark Tunnley on winning his first title S.I.M.T.A North West area title.Im sure there will be more titles to follow.

duwao was class , Andy Howson's fight was great .Leroy from super gym put in another good performance.

Had to leave before the end anyone know if liam harrison won.
Luke Phillips
Posted: 2007-11-25 13:00:26
Liam WON 4th round KO think with a left hook
well done liam and both andys
Posted: 2007-11-25 13:07:37
well done lads ...... the drinks are in !!
Big Al
Posted: 2007-11-25 13:55:44
Absolutley FANTASTIC SHOW Master Sken! Took along two friends who didnt have a clue what Thai Boxing was..... Now they wanna take lessons and was asking when is the next show! Well skilled fighters every bout, no one sided fights, no easy fights. Great venue, good atmosphere and demonstrations were great to watch also. Pleased I got to see Duwao fight, hes a guy on top of his game. Andy Howson showed true heart and durability as he was caught a few times (in fairness though never looked in deep trouble) and finished his fight with awesome, hurtful punch and knees to the stomach. (ricky hatton eat your heart Andy Thrasher had a war with a very durable french lad which towards the latter rounds was looking a bit tired but hung on for a pts win. Leroy Morgado looked impressive, as did John Dennis. It was clear to see Liam Harrison was'nt for letting his fight go to the scorecards, as he matched every shot Numphon threw and infact gave back much more! Irrelevant of the result in leeds, (which I think he won) he made sure tonight in what can be described as a professional clinical job. So well done to the new WMC and SIMTA champions. On the last note, there was talk in above posts of this not being value for money and negative remarks about the wrong can some people be! If this is the future in terms of Master Skens shows then what a privaliged lot we are.
Posted: 2007-11-25 14:19:15
well done liam and all. good on you lad! sorry i couldnt be there.
Posted: 2007-11-25 14:19:42
congrats liam h mate well deserved win good on you mate well done
Posted: 2007-11-25 14:30:00
nice one liam. well done mate and good on ya for leaving it to the judges this time!!!
Posted: 2007-11-25 14:55:59
Just wanted to say well done to all involved,A Fantastic show by Master Sken and a great venue....A definate step forward!
I enjoyed all the fights and the show was very well run,VIP was very good.
Unlucky to Andy Thrasher.Great to meet a lot of new friends too.
Dave Croft good to finally meet you,Master Sken likewise and many others.
Posted: 2007-11-25 15:19:36
The show was great, the venue was superb, teh figths were good and well matched. I probably would not have bothered with the demo's, but you need some breaks.

Didn't see al the fights but those I did, Panikos had to endure a torid time with the agressive Darran Cashman, esp in the 4th, but took a good points win.

Leroy looked good and stronger than before from the bits I saw of his fight.

Duwao was aboslute class, so much time, and so strong!!

Andy howson used his get out of jail card. he turned the figth round in the space of 30 or so secs. he took a count from a good jumping knee in the first, caught the Thai with some good boxing in the 2nd, but the Thai seemed to have recovered and swas scoring well and just seemed to die. A couple of knees and a left body kick started the trouble and a peach of a left body hook finished him off.

Andy Thrasher I think put in his best performance to date to loose a split decision against the current wmc Euro champion. I think he won the fight, he landed to many good body kicks and knees. He was put down for a count with a spinning back fist but was not hurt, he got up and took the fight to the French lad, winning the round apart from the knock down. This hsould make the round 10-9 loss not 10-8. He was moved backwards of a push kick, spun and kneed once as he was going down. he did take a few good low kicks, but the punches he got hit with were not hurting him, even the one that knocked his gum shield out, The rst of the fight was his, to many good body kicks. AS a rule I am negative in the corner and tend to think we have lost in close figths, but I think we got ths one and can't wiat to see the video. I am not really bothered about the loss becaue at least we know Andy can mix it with guys of this class.

We want a rematch!!! It was superb fight!

Liam was class. I was a bit worried to start with, I thought Liam looked a bit tense and the fight was gonna slip away from him, esp when he chucked his gum shield out. At the start it was as if he was looking for the punch ko, but as soon as he started to Thai box, throw the body kicks and even knees (to a giant) he looked the stronger fighter. Nice body hooks opened him up and the finish was clinical! Excellant result.

The venue and the show raise the mark again I think for UK Thai Boxing
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2007-11-25 16:30:32
Just home & shattered, so will keep it fairly short for a change! First of all well done to Master Sken on a great show, the fights were as always, great to watch, but the venue and setup were brilliant & hope to be back to enjoy it next year!

From where I was I thought Thrasher had won aswell, looked close though, IMO.

Some great fights & performances, which i'll comment on later, but the night belonged to Liam, great end to the night! Numphon was the same fighter that we saw in Leeds & but everytime I see Liam he seems to take it up another gear, brilliant, congratulations mate!
Posted: 2007-11-25 17:01:37
this is my view on the fights i saw
leroy murgado = good prospect and glad he didnt get the early finish i thought he was going to get as the 5 rounds will do him good .

duwaou = the last time i saw him fight was against my son , and because of the obvious sway of bias, i didnt see what all the fuss was about . but having since had the pleasure of watching him in the gym and teaching the bad company studentsi understand the sport a lot better , now getting to tonights fight i see why people go on about him , i know people will say , or think his opponent wasnt in the same league , but i for one enjoyed his show.

andy howson = he is one of the fighters i love to watch , probably the most entertaining for the public anyway , what a heart this lads got that sometimes gets overlooked and i cant wait for the pos 4 8 on one cos i;ll take bets of people now he wins !!!!!!!!!!

liam = now then i taped it so had to watch it through a little screen , imagine that , watching your son fight for the title he thought he won 5 months ago through a small window .so just watched it all now and have to say he was going for this with a desire i havnt seen before . i dont normally go see him in the changing room , just wait outside patiently like the rest whilst shitting myself .i sneaked in today and sampled the atmosphere of a changing room and loved it . i could see what makes a fighter get in the zone { as to speak }.
any way sorry to waffle on , but makes a change to read what someone who doesnt know the game really well thinks .
not bad demos, really entetaining but too many of them , great venue and buy the dvd if you wasnt there.
Posted: 2007-11-25 17:07:21
just got back!!! a fantastic show well worth the drive up from London and braving a Saturday night in Bolton :o) Congrats to M Sken and everyone who supported himaking the show - it was top class. Every fight was a goodun, but special congrats to Panikos and Dave Southern.... and a OMG to Andy Howson surviving that jumping knee and then taking him out with body shots!! AND a very very special and whole hearted congrats to Liam a hell on a finish and becoming WORLD CHAMPION!
Craig Hanuman
Posted: 2007-11-25 17:08:16
Congratulations to Liam Harrison - radar-like left hooks finished the job he started a few months ago in Leeds Town Hall. Good fight up to that point, Numphon very clever but Liam looked like he knew what he needed to do this time.

Andy Howsons never in a boring fight...the Thai lad looked tricky and strong and it looked like a hard nights work until he started landing those body shots!

I agree with the other comments re Andy Thrasher, very close bout and surely he deserves another crack !

Also enjoyed Leroy Morgado v's Alex Abusin - a very entertaining bout right to the end !

Duwoa was pure class - he tied the french lad in knots with his feints, always in control and one step ahead, picked him apart...highlight of the evening was his "Oasis Swagger" celebrations though !! LOL

All bouts well matched, and the venue was top-drawer - congratulations Master Sken !
Phil Glover
Posted: 2007-11-25 17:18:54
Congratulations to everyone that fought on Master Skens Supershow what a great days entertainment,apart from some of my students I also had a couple of boxing pals come to the show that normally go watch pro-boxing,but after only two bouts were saying that they want to come to the next Supershow!They said the tickets were very cheap considering the superb venue and the quality of the fights,they had been paying up to £70-£80 a ticket for boxing shows featuring only a handful of bouts.
Well done to all,DUWAO was AMAZING!,Andy Howson was DEVASTATING!!,LIAM HARRISON was AWSOME!!! [Like a ninja turtle!],I was very impressed with John Dennis too his fight was a pleasure to watch.
Master Sken has once again proved he puts on some of THE best shows in the country by far and gave everyone who was lucky enough to be there great value for money!!!
Posted: 2007-11-25 17:43:02

And the NEW.

Luke Phillips, Duwao, Jordan Calder, Andy Howson, Liam Harrison, Richard Smith and Jordan Watson.
Posted: 2007-11-25 18:33:10
what an awsome show master sken! a real show case of british tallent the bad co boys were on another level, andy thrasher had a war,evry fight was well worth the ticket money alone a great show
Alix James
Posted: 2007-11-25 19:01:27
Congratulations Liam - awesome result mate.

Also well done to Andy - looking slim in that pic.

What a photo for the Badco hall of fame..cracking titles!
Posted: 2007-11-25 22:33:31
fantastic news well done Liam!
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-26 02:42:09
Well done to the Bad Co guys!! Absolutley fantastic results!! Straight in and straight to business!

You could see the determination on Liam's face when he was fighting, you could see he did not want to leave the desicion to the judges this time, he was out for a knockout!

And Andy, you didn't miss the ropes this time! lol!!

I'll get photos to you soon!!

Well done!!
Posted: 2007-11-26 03:13:02
well done to Liam and Andy!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-26 03:16:46
He wont read this as he's in thailand now but a thank you to Michael Dicks who deputised for me as first corner for Alex's fight with Leroy. No need for massive detail just suffice to say Im not long out of surgery.

As for the fight. Last time these guys fought it was'nt a fight. Leroy dominated from start to finish. We did our work, we trained and we tried again. It was Alex's first time at A Class. I believe in fighting the best you can, always striving to improve. Leroy is a rising star and a worthy champion. I hope Alex made him work for it this time. Congrats to Leroy and Vinny. Pleasure to share the canvass with you.

The show overall was brilliant. Glad to be part of it.
Posted: 2007-11-26 04:17:06
had a great day at the show some great fights,duwoa was unreal he was in a different league.well done to all the fighters especally John Dennis it was a great fight mate great reverse elbow in the first then a great knee at the end of the third then finished in the fourth with that deverstating left hook well done john.

well done john and see at training love joe x
Neil Holden
Posted: 2007-11-26 04:26:15
Congratulations all!
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-26 04:26:56
Oh, well done to Master Sken for a great show and it was a really nice venue!
Posted: 2007-11-26 04:27:27
Sound like it was a great night – Well Done Liam, sounds like you deserved that win!!
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-26 04:53:00
well done badco,duwao and thrasherpants
Lee Green
Posted: 2007-11-26 05:09:29
Cracking show Master Sken - well done to the badcompany boys great finishes you! Well done also to John Denis,Andy Thrasher, Steven Jones and Leroy Mogardo great performances all round!
Mr Smith
Posted: 2007-11-26 05:18:38
Well done and thanks to Master Sken for putting on such a great show and for giving our guys the opportunity.

Its an excellent venue and the standard of all the fights was a great example of how much Muay Thai is coming on in the UK.

Well done to Liam Andy and Duwao too.

Duwao has been teaching in the gym and is an amazing coach and has brought a lot out of the guys and taught me a lot too. He's put a lot of work in with Liam and Andy and the improvements are clear to see. He's been working hard sparring, clinching and on the pads with me for the last couple of weeks but for this fight he never really needed to get out of second gear.

The French guy came to fight and is obviously a good fighter. He had a go in the first round and threw some dangerous looking punches but Duwao was in controll all the way through. I loved watching him fight and was gutted that it finished so early.

Andy is always value for money and never has a boring fight! He has the heart of a lion. Tapee was strong and determined and obviously very skillful, using his push kick and movement to stop Andy'd attacks and keep him on his back foot. He hit him with a great jumping knee that would have finished a lot of fighters. Andy doidnt really recover for the rest of the round and only started getting back into it part way through the second.

The first body shot in the third was sickening and took all the fight out of the Thai but he carried on and Andy kept working the body till eventually the guy folded. Amazing performance and an amazing fight.

Liam's was amazing too - he was really up for the fight and has trained single mindedly for it. We've trained differently this time and put a lot of new stuff into his armoury and he was a different fighter than last time he fought Numphon. Having said that it was clear that Numphon had trained hard and was taking it seriously as he was in really good shape and employed different tactics. He boxed more and switched stance but non of it was enough to keep Liam at bay. Liams technique and tactics helped but this time it was his pure agression and desire that ended up being too much for Numphon. When he smelled blood there was no stopping him!

It was a great day for UK Muay Thai, a great day for Bad Company and a brilliant one for me personally. It doesnt get much better!
liam badco
Posted: 2007-11-26 05:47:33
just gotta say that was prob the best night of my was an amazing end to an amazing year for us at badco (still a few fights left at eastend park sat 1st)

Thanks to everyone who came to support me andy and Duwao i can safely say you got your moneys worth guys....Thanks to Master Sken for giving me and Andy the opportunity to fight for the titles on his have loved to win the title in Leeds the 1st time, but if it was gonna be anywhere else im glad it was on Master Skens promotion...he has always been amazing helping promote my career from my very 1st fight on his show in 2000 to winning that fight last night...thank you so much i really appreciate everything you have done for me!

Thanks to Mr smith for everything for too he knew how much i wanted this and did everything to help me as always!!!!

Training with Duwao has been amazing, espec the quality sparring with him sein as he was ready to fight to he was extra sharp and it did me and andy the world of good!!!!! hes a legend!

As for the fight itself Namphon had changed his game plan, and got himself in great shape...after the 1st fight i wasnt sore or hurting at all but today i feel like ive been hit by a train....he was stopped to the body by current Raja champ Singmanee in his last fight and was ripped yesterday (he wasnt in the 1st fight) so had obviously been working his body conditioning. He also felt Physically stronger with his shots and also in the clinch...he tried to take it too me more this time aswell and landed some shots that i really own training had gone well tho and i was feeling really sharp!

Andy was ace great value for money and proved again why hes pound 4 pound probably the most exciting fighter in the country.

anyway enough of the waffling and just a big thanks to Splinter the cameraman, Brian and Jordan Calder, and everyone from Badco who came to support....lets all get massive and fat over xmas.
Posted: 2007-11-26 06:01:50
Wow what an amazing night for our family, me and liam are over the moon and still can't quite believe that we pulled it off. Got to say a massive thank you to Master Sken for the chance to fight on his show again, love it every time im on the show and he always looks after all the fighters that he has on his shows. The show last night was awesome, all the fights where top notch and the venue was amazing (we not bothering with george carnall any more Master Sken??lol) I have to thank Mr Smith as always but a massive thank you from me goes to Duwao, he has been amazing to train with over the last 3 or so months and i love him to death, he has taught me so much and i don't think i would have been able to hold my own in the clinch yesterday if it wasn't for all the work he has done with me recently (and Liam), so thank you so so much. Me and Liam are gunna miss him like crazy when he goes home in a few weeks, just hope he gets back here real soon. Can't believe i exposed my glass jaw though, what was that all about??lol getting dropped with a jump knee, how gay,ha. Oh well at least i showed i can take it and still come back to win. Thanks again to Master Sken and all involved in helping the show come together and looking forward to March already.
Posted: 2007-11-26 06:07:18
Absolutely brilliant show.

Liam H was incredible, hard as nails. What a brilliant way to win a world title fight. Three and a half close hard fought rounds and a proper KO in the 4th. Brilliant and the atmosphere was electric. Well done Liam, you made the judges job easy this time.

Performance for me though was Andy H who seems to just love a fight. After the first round I was really worried but he was relaxed and composed taking the full 8 count to recover (shows experience) and saw out the rest of round one.
After that though, he seemed to just grit his teeth, dig deep and go for it. The crack from that body punch echoed right through the venue and the crowd let out one of those "ooof" noises, haha, love it. I've only been watching thai boxing for two years now but that was the best comeback I have ever seen. Again, well done mate.

Sorry to go on but I'm still buzzing and I've lost my voice from shouting so much.

Loved the Chloe Bruce demo.

Well done Master Sken.
Posted: 2007-11-26 06:54:37

Posted: 2007-11-26 06:57:26

Sorry Luke just noticed the other photo, this ones better lol.
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:02:47
Brain, I preffered the other one! :-)
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:11:27
Well done Guys !!!

Wish I could have made it !

Was called twice by a freind who was at the show ! Said it was top class!

Master Sken continues to believe in the quality event at the quality venues !!??
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:23:37
Well done Guys !!!

Wish I could have made it !

Was called twice by a freind who was at the show ! Said it was top class!

Master Sken continues to believe in the quality event at the quality venues !!??
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:29:04
jesus brian your lads shot up he is making liam and andy look like midgets which is pretty standard but looks like he is catching jordan and Mr Smith up!
roll on 1st Dec Badger time, best 67kg IMO
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:40:16
Lol yeah he is bigger than the 2 spice girls and they are devastated lol.
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:40:49

Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:46:51
im not sure whats worse andys jeans, liams afro or his half eaten legs? i wonder if what not to wear suzanna and trinny would do an episode on thaiboxing legends in the uk and feature these 2, they have great tips on hiding a gut etc!
Posted: 2007-11-26 07:47:11

Liam Harrison the New WMC World Champion, well done mate.
Posted: 2007-11-26 10:55:03
had a ace time at the show yesterday. top fights and fair judges on the fights. good to see l harrison avenge the dodgy desision at leeds. first time i had seen a howson in action after his injury. he looked v powerful with the body shots. only down point £3.10 for a pint and no skens scrabn van in sight. cant win all ways eh.ha
paul pearson
Posted: 2007-11-26 11:41:59
My take on the show,

Venue was top class,fights all good,great to see a show with all fights full rules and some 5x3s.

Best fight(action back and forth) for me was the Andy Thrasher fight,i agreed with the decision but thought it was close.

Most heart and desire to want to win was Liam Harrison,he just wanted it so much and would of walked through a brick wall to win(sounds like you did Liam!).

Duwao to much experience for his opponent,and he could of ended it how ever he wanted.

Best technical fighter for me was John Dennis.

All in all a great day for UK Muay Thai a very well done to everybody involved and especially Master Sken.
Posted: 2007-11-26 13:13:54
Couldn't get to the show this time round. Sounds like i missed a gooden!
Oh well i wll have to watch the dvd! Well done to all that won, Liam Harrison, Andy Howson, Steven Jones, Leroy Morgardo. Unlucky Mr Thrasher sounds like you had a good fight. And you must of done good to impress Darren. It takes a lot to impress him. Lol!
And a big Congratulations goes to Master Sken. All the stress and headache was worth it in the end!
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2007-11-26 13:48:19

beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-26 14:42:08

just a few pics!
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-26 14:43:24

just a few pics!
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-26 14:44:31

just a few pics!
kru carl rawlinson
Posted: 2007-11-26 15:57:49
many thanks master sken , and fighters for a great entertaining and inspiring
show many thanks from wales
Posted: 2007-11-26 16:11:20
One of my students said they thought the show was great, the Bad Co lads were awesome but can we check their feet coz they are all as small as Hobits, pure class

Can't wait to see Bilbo baggins and Frodo at the weekend now
Posted: 2007-11-26 16:45:22
Alex is a gent and has improved so that kinda puts it perspective think the general things stop putting Aka,s on the net as its a complete dicks trick to just slag off other peoples achievements,any way back to it i really enjoyed the show as did everyone i spoke to,plus alot thought Andy won his fight.
Alex (again) was 100 times better this time and as i said we would not take him lightly and glad we never he is a true warrior,thank you for nice comments from everyone Leroy is a great guy with amazing calmness bit too calm but i make up for that lol x....!!! Liam i have seen you come up along with Andy at Maryport and Carlile etc as kids seeing you get to the top is fantastic i do feel very proud as your a nice people and great fighters,praise these lads when you can because they are flying the flag for us and its rare enjoy it because no one is forever,Tony myers thanks for the text and the kind words,feel like am at the oscars lol,thanks Master Sken also and lend me then shoes size 8,s the black italian ones please cheers,nice to see the Scottish lads from Guys gym and Gary o,brien am lovin scott quigg me and him would natter about boxing all night what a top kid..ok thats it love to you all cheers Vinsters and Supergym x x
Posted: 2007-11-26 19:20:28
Another excellent show by Master Sken and a really nice venue. well done Master Sken; your hard work paid off (I hope it did financially as well). I loved the fact every fight was full-Thai rules and that every fighter was respectful, gave their best and did their coaches proud. Some great fights and some great performances on what proved to be another great night for British MuayThai.

I was really, really pleased for Liam winning in such a dramatic manner. What was even better in my eyes is that Liam was a point up going into the fourth and looked to be consolidating his lead before the barrage of punches finished the fight. He has always had great heart and a devastating punch but I feel he has added some maturity to his performances of late. I am sure Duwao will have played a role in that but also Mr Smith and Lisa. A really great win for British MuayThai generally and for Bad Co in particular.

Andy H also showed his usual grit and determination, coming back from a knockdown in the first to knock the air out of his Thai opponent's lungs. Well done mate, a really excellent win pulled from the jaws of adversity.

Duwao is a really, really class act. It's a shame his French opponent didn't have the experience to push him more and allow him show his true ability, but it was still a masterful and entertaining performance. Duwao toyed with his opponent and looked genuinely disappointed when his opponent's corner wanted to call it off. An outstanding fighter, a great coach and a really nice guy.

Alex and Leroy's fight was a very good one with both fighters demonstrating heart and skill. Dave C did a brilliant job on what was a very deep cut on Alex's head. Leroy remained focused and business like throughout working away and scoring with some nice techniques. Dave C has obviously worked hard on Alex and this made it a better fight than their previous encounter. Both fighters have improved significantly. Vinny is always playful and constantly joking but it is evident he really cares about his fighters and the sport passionately and it comes across in their performances.

John D showed some sharp techniques and some slick skills against a very game and resilient Scottish warrior. John's opponent had some success in the clinch early in the fight but was eventually stopped by a series of excellently timed techniques. Well done John and Peter.

I agree with Dazza, I thought Andy T fought the best technical fight of his career so far. He used his head (metaphorically) and focused on landing scoring techniques and showed some really nice skills during the fight. Dazza has worked hard with Andy on his technique and it has certainly paid off. Although it is not easy to both judge and referee well, I thought Andy did win the fight. However, I will reserve judgment until I have seen the video and judged it properly. Other than that decision (which was a majority decision) I think all the others were unanimous and very well judged.

A great afternoon and evening.

liam badco
Posted: 2007-11-27 05:33:47
anyone know when dvd will be available??
Posted: 2007-11-27 05:38:21
Fook me thats actually a good pic for Sab that last one,lol. Ypu got any good one's of me beast???
beanie baby
Posted: 2007-11-27 06:08:43
I know! How wierd is that?! lol! I have! Will put a couple of tasters up tonight.
Posted: 2007-11-27 06:22:48
Well done Master Sken on a

Brilliant Show

Brilliant Venue

Brilliant Fights and a

Brilliant End.

John Dennis impressed me it's the first time I have seen him fight and he is good.

I loved his Ram Muay it was different class and one of the best I have seen in this country quality.

Duwao was outstanding and brilliant to watch a true world class fighter and we were gutted that it ended so quickly, same as everyone else really.

Andy Howson what a comeback mate you were awesome, the heart the size of Leeds mate, a true warrior who is getting better everytime I see him. Well done lad even though you now have a glass jaw lol.

Liam Harrison I had the first round 10/10, the second round 10/10, the third round 10/9 to Liam and in the fourth the Sterio wasn't tuned in and he got star spangled all over the dancefloor by a Smooth Criminal who goes by the name of "THE HITMAN" the perfect end to a brilliant day.

Well done mate you deserve it, no airs and graces and a very humble man. So pleased for you and your family. Brilliant for Muay Thai in the UK and brilliant for Bad Company in Leeds, well done guys.
Posted: 2007-11-27 08:40:08
Just a quick one from me, to again thank master sken for giving me the oppotunity to fight a class opponant.The whole day was a pleasure, great fights,venue and atmosphere, kind of makes me want to bring up the negative comments from a certain someone on this thread, but they've gone very quiet indeed,so no need.Although I didn't get the desicion, I didn't really feel like I lost, but will wait to see dvd before i comment, Tricia you're right, still sinking in now that the gaffer was pleased (although he'll give me grief for something guarenteed), anyway Frodo and Bilbo winning the belts made my day,well deserved both of you,Thanks to everyone who came to support from the gym, sponsors etc, back in training tommorrow, can't wait for the next one already.
Posted: 2007-11-27 09:10:08
This was an excellant show as master skens always are,congrats to master sken and to all the fighters,and thank you to master sken for the great seats front row.
all the lads from Bridgestone gym
Posted: 2007-11-27 09:25:50
Thanks to master sken for inviting dennis,myself and anthony over. great show...and the scars to prove it :) 1st class service from master sken who looked after us extremely well. Thanks to Eric - great driving :)we wont tell anyone. also to Ben who got us lost in manchester in a series of one way streets.
Posted: 2007-11-27 16:31:54
well done to all the fighters sounded like a great show - when is the dvd available??
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2007-11-27 17:19:01
I wouldnt normally comment on my judging but as Tony Myers has said i got it wrong I will.

I was one of the 2 judges that gave the fight to the French fighter, the other was Paul Hamilton.

I have been on the end of a lot of dodgy descisions abroad as has Paul and believe you me as much as I wanted Andy to win I couldn`t write it that way on my score card.

I had rounds 1 and 2 even and then the third was 10/8 to the French fighter due to the knockdown. This could well have been scored 10/9 if Andy had done enough but I didn`t see it that way although I think Paul did. The Frenchlad was scoring with lots of low kicks (Low kicks cant be ignored if they are moving the opponent) that were moving Andys legs from under him and badly marking them up and although Andy got some great body kicks the French lad also landed some of his own (maybe not as many or as hard but we have to assume effect)

This may come down to how many heavy obviously effective low kicks = one body kick with assumed effect?

Round 4 (a big scoring round) was pretty even but the French fighter scored big with a turning off balance and knee to the head of the falling opponent. I was gonna score it even but for this so i had to score it 10/9 for the French man

Going into the final round I had Andy 3 points down and he pulled it out and won the round 10/ 9 to Andy

My score card was
Andy French
10 10
10 10
8 10
9 10
10 9
47 49

I think Paul scored it the same but gave the 3rd 10 9

The third judge gave it 3 points to Andy.

Before everyone makes a judgement on whether the judges were right i think you should all watch the fight. (Good plug for the DVD Master Sken!)

Anyway, Andy you fought brilliantly and I am sorry that I was part of the reason you lost but at the same time I dont think I have seen you fight this well before. You are more than capable of mixing it with the best and your time will come.

Posted: 2007-11-27 23:13:02
Unlucky Thrasher, sounded like a cracking fight. You must have been good if Jaffa hasn't had a moan yet:)Keep training hard and as mentioned on the previous post your time will come matey.

Congrats to Liam & Andy on two great wins for badco and UK muay thai!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-28 03:17:35
I spoke with Andy just after his fight and commented that I hadnt seen enough of what was shaping up to be an excellent fight to comment knowgeably. But that with what I saw of his performance he deserved to win. Deserving to win of course does not mean you did i wasnt a judge so i'll wait to see the dvd. But i will say its important that a judge can explain his reasons for any given decision and do so illustrating the why. In my opinion if you agree with dave or not is of no consequence. he has explained his thoughts and has many many years of experience and knowledge to support his ideas. open and frank exchange of ideas improve the sport.

Thought i would say and i think all who witnessed it will agree the french lad on many occasions looked to be breathing heavily and on the verge of physical collapse from exhaustion and then just spring back into action with controlled technique and attack.
Posted: 2007-11-28 03:19:56
Hi Dave, I didn't actually say you were wrong mate. I did say my impression as a referee was that I thought Andy won but I would reserve judgment until I see the video as it can be difficult to judge and referee. As you correctly point out, the issue is the comparative effect of the French fighter's low kicks, the effect of Andy's body kicks and Andy's knees to the back etc. I think Paul gave the fight to the French lad by one point, and Dean the fight to Andy by one point. I know speaking to Dean that he also felt, like you, the knock down round was a 10:8 round but gave round two to Andy and not a drawn round. I certainly don't want to make an issue out of one decision on a show that was well judged, but I think the issue of low kick effect versus body kicks is an important issue to explore and if I do end up disagreeing with you mate I will refer the issue to Thai judges for their opinion.
David Mc
Posted: 2007-11-28 04:16:19
TRAINEE JUDGE…. done the training with Tony.

I was trying to judge all the fights on Sunday

I have to agree with Dave Jackson's card.
I scored it exactly the same but I would have given 10/9 in round 3 with Andy coming back strong after the standing count.

I was with every one looking for the win for Andy as always but I did score a loss.

But great entertainment and all action as usual from Andy
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2007-11-28 05:02:36
No probs Tony...just wanted to clarify exactly how and why I scored it the way i did.

My understanding on the leg kicks has always been that leg kicks only score if there is a visible effect (i.e. movement or loss of position) whereas body kicks score regardless.

It will be interesting to get that clarified
Liam R
Posted: 2007-11-28 05:28:13
leg kicks only score if there is a visible effect (i.e. movement or loss of position) whereas body kicks score regardless.
sounds about right to me.
Posted: 2007-11-28 07:27:16
I wouldn't like this to become a debate on judging, and I certainly do not want people falling out over it, that will take the gloss of Andy's performance. It was a good fight and we want a rematch. Everyone who enjoyed it and thinks Andy deserves another crack, lobby Master Sken or whoever can make this fight happen and lets do it again for his title.

Andy was back in the gym today training and can't wait to be back in the ring again!!!!!!
Posted: 2007-11-28 10:39:45
Any idea when the DVD is out? Great performances and a well run show again by Master Sken.Great to get to have a chat with a few Ax'ers too.
Posted: 2007-11-28 11:06:36
I would like to express my sincere thanks to everyone for kind words,support and comments.I am exausted with preperation and running the show but it is certainly worth it,I can tell you that it is not financially but for Muaythai is great.With in the same week and month,there are so many Muaythai shows which I think Muaythai in UK has reached very high level of popularity as Sport.
It is not possible only myself alone to promote and run Muaythai show smoothly,many freinds,staffs,trainers and fighters,sponsors and of course spectators helped to make the show very possible.I would like to thank you all.
I know how difficult it is to organise the show,let us not forget to congratulate Promoters who also play very important part in promoting Muaythai in United Kingdom.I would like to mention and extend my sincere thoughts and freinship to very good promoters of Muaythai shows.
Congratulation to:
Richard Smith,Steve Logan,Paul Hennessy,Dean White,Gary O'Brien,Alan Keddles
Nash Keshwala,Jesse Saunders,John Jarvis,Sean Toomey,John Craig,Barry Norman
Sandy Holt,Pele Nathan and Tricia,Paul Kelly,Stevie Nesbit,Peter Feeley,Howard Huges,Darren Phillips,Lee Powell,Neil Holden,Alby Bimpson, The Golden Belt Team,Jeff Bullocks,The Bull Dog Team,Ryan Rudkin and many Interclub and Amateur Promoters.
If I miss anyone,please forgive me.
Congratulation to Andy Howson and Liam Harrison,I am absolute delighted to be part of your career and success in becoming WMC World Champion for Liam and WMC Intercontinental Champion for Andy.Congatulation to Richard Smith and Lisa Smith,Duwao and Team BADCO.I also would like to congratulate Dave Southern,Sitnarong St.Helens for winning his Area title,Mark Tunley and I have been working very hard in helping Dave to acheieve his goal,he is a very dedicate and a brilliant student.
I would like to express my sincere thanks to World Muaythai Council,Stephan Fox and Ralph Beale who helped to sanction the Championship and organise Visa and travelling etc.With out WMC and above mention of dear freinds of mine,I do not think it would be possible to organise such prestigious titles.I am really believe in WMC titles as Supreme titles and I will continue to support WMC for many years to come.
Sorry for very long post,but I feel it's too short for thanking every body.
Next year the show will be on Sunday 24th February at GHC,this show will be few A CLass fights but will give more chance for Rising stars and will be really big show in November 2008.
See you all very soon.May I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year.
P.S.Dave Croft,many thanks for your help.A freind in need is a freind in deed.thankyou once again.

alan keddle
Posted: 2007-11-28 12:45:49
this is the reason you dont see me judging or reffing. Sod that. Far too contraversial. While i am an avid supporter of the preservation of thai style through the scoring system I dont ever like to lose the view of it being a fight. I think that has happened in the ABA's to much. I think it is important that if two competitors go against each other with differing styles that even though we should always lean towards the thai style of scoring we must always rememember that their style ought to be good enough to overcome naked aggresion, hard low kicks and combination punches.

Having said that I often I see a fighter pushing forward throwing lots of low kicks and punches, many not landing. There is often a misconception that wins a fight when in fact it is accuracy, effect, landed manouveres and most importantly balance that wins. Work rate for me alone isnt enough to take a victory in a sport that should demonstrate skill, balance and affect. If on the other hand the operator not having good control, balance and style is not being effectively countered then the win should go the other way. Muaythai is still young in the UK and many people will score it in the same way as a boxing match. There is a long way to go but I think we are winning. There are many views on what should and shouldnt warrant a win but as I get older I am now more inclined to do what the thais do as that is the origin. It protects the style from becoming a brawl and ensures that in order to win at top level good balance and technique are required. I think it also requires more use of the weopons more difficult to use like kicks and teeb. However like everybody else thats just my view and I could well be wrong.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2007-11-29 03:22:44
As ever Boss a pleasure.
Posted: 2007-11-29 03:53:45
Actually forgot to mention Dave Southern when mentioning the performances of boxers in an earlier post. I was late getting to the venue due to a crash on the M62 slip way and just got there to judge Dave's fight. I think Dave fought really well and is improving with every fight. Well done Dave, Mark and Master Sken.
Posted: 2007-11-30 07:10:29
Hi Dave just want to say mate I'm not disputing your decision,(it wouldn't change the result anyway), I respect the way you and Paul judged the fight,the reason I was asking you about the scoring was to clarify for future reference, I was a little dissapointed with the result but,i can only blame myself(and that cheeky spinning back fist),you were not part of the reason I lost, I should have done more to secure the win,but was a bit lazy and sat back a bit thinking i had just done enough.
Anyway mate, thanks for the positive comments,really appreciate them, it was a good fight,I love to get into them kinda tearups and can't wait for the rematch,I'll just train and fight harder next time.
Posted: 2007-12-01 03:33:07
Cavalier Studio is editing the DVD for me.
I hope it will be ready before Christmas.Otherwise it will be beginning of January.The Cavalier Studio is filming a lot of Football Games and editing them.Last show DVD is ready,you can make an order now.
martin siam
Posted: 2007-12-01 08:56:23
many thanks master sken for having myself and darren on your show was top class
Posted: 2007-12-02 15:14:09
You are very welcome Martin,see you next year.
Andy Thrasher,many thanks for your call.You are very welcome.
Posted: 2007-12-03 03:52:05
Just checked the internet for the first time in a week or so, great news about winning the titles lads im chuffed for you both, Sounds like a great show, congratulations to everyone involved.
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Posted: 2007-12-07 17:02:28
Full Gallery of Photos at my
May I wish you all a Merry Christmas and Very Prosperous New Year
From Myself and Kay and Sitnarong World Wide Active Team
See you Sunday 24th February 2008
Many thanks to Brian Ritchie and Ax Team
Keep up good works,once again thank you.
liam badco
Posted: 2007-12-08 04:01:25
master sken when is the dvd ready
Posted: 2007-12-08 05:38:18
Hi Liam
Dvd is being editing,I am not sure when it will be ready.I hope it will be ready before Christmas.Cavalier Studio is filming Football and editing,I hope they have time to do so.Otherwise it will be in January.
liam badco
Posted: 2007-12-08 05:42:56
ok thanks see ya soon.....
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Posted: 2007-12-10 05:52:25
You too Master Sken hope you all have a good one and ill see you next year. Just a quick one though, just been on your website to look at the pics but there not all up yet??
liam badco
Posted: 2007-12-10 05:56:49
i noticed that too
Posted: 2007-12-10 06:20:50
You no it,ha. Thought you'd still be in bed mate??.
Posted: 2007-12-10 10:03:14
Hi Andy
Kay will update Website's Gallery,but she is very busy with Christmas Shopping and preparing for Gym's party.I will ask her OK.
Have a great time!Have a great Fun but take it easy with one glass too many(Beer)
Take care,my freind.
Posted: 2008-02-27 12:59:01
Just wanted to inquire about the availability of the DVD.
Posted: 2008-02-28 03:44:00
DVD of the Show is ready.It's £20(2 DVDs in One).This is Top quality and long Hours.Please make cheque payable to M.Sken Promotions.Master Sken Academy Unit1 Top Floor.Turncroft Lane,Offerton,Stockport SK1 4AR TEL:O161 4299660 MOB:07785 733 734.THANKS
Posted: 2008-02-28 08:22:18
will you be able to purchase it from your site Master Sken?
Posted: 2008-02-28 08:41:02
Yes,DiamondHeart.I have not got time to put it on my Website yet.Thanks
Posted: 2008-02-28 08:45:59
great! thank you
liam badco
Posted: 2008-02-29 07:10:22
master sken did ya get my text yesterday?
Posted: 2008-04-22 09:40:36
is this DVD available to buy on Sken's website yet?
liam badco
Posted: 2008-04-22 10:01:07
its been available for a while...defo worth a look. good quality
Posted: 2008-04-22 11:33:45
I do not have a time to put up the DVD on my Web but you can send me a cheque to my gym,thanks
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