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Posted: 2009-12-08 14:00:25

m s a reebok sky sports

Shamelessly stolen from another thread i know but here goes...

facebook,,,,bebo,,,myspace...spam emails whatever it takes...

as a few others have done change your status to something on the lines of..

Liam Harrison
remember sky sports 3 tommorow night 10pm my fight with saggetdao phetpayathai...was a tugh fight Saggetdao just beat saenchai in thailand tonight for Lumpinee title!!! pls watch get the sport noticed and get ratings up ...

could be the most important show in UK muaythai History
Posted: 2009-12-08 14:00:39
m s a reebok sky sports

Shamelessly stolen from another thread i know but here goes...

facebook,,,,bebo,,,myspace...spam emails whatever it takes...

as a few others have done change your status to something on the lines of..

Liam Harrison
remember sky sports 3 tommorow night 10pm my fight with saggetdao phetpayathai...was a tugh fight Saggetdao just beat saenchai in thailand tonight for Lumpinee title!!! pls watch get the sport noticed and get ratings up ...

could be the most important show in UK muaythai History
Posted: 2009-12-08 14:02:59
M.Sken writes:
Dear All
It's my pleasure to inform you that Sky has appoved our show programme and it will be shown on Sky as follow:

Sky Sports 3 Digital 9 December 09 10pm

Sky Sports 3 Digital 10 December 09 1.30am

Sky Sports 2 Digital 10 December 09 11am

Sky Sports 2 Digital 10 December 09 4pm

Please give us your view,hope you will enjoy it,many thanks.
Posted: 2009-12-09 06:14:07
tonights the night dont forget to watch..
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-12-09 08:01:59
On record bud :o)

hope your well give me a call when you get chance mate quite important speak soon
Posted: 2009-12-09 09:42:28
I have this on SKY SPORTS 2 on Thursday at 5:30PM
Jimmy Taurus
Posted: 2009-12-09 12:11:34
And they came and fitted my sky today (ditched the crappy virgin)..what a perfect 1st nights viewing when i get back from the gym :-)
Posted: 2009-12-09 15:06:31
2nts the night!!!!!!!!!!! ye ha, a canny wait, a missed this show only because i was in thailand, av just got sky turned on! its like christmas!!!!!!!! we alredy no the results but what the hell! come on jordan,liam!!!!!!!!!!! & every1 else from scotland!!!!!!!! all the best mescho
Posted: 2009-12-09 15:15:38
90 mins aswell going to be great....

can vinnie really talk for 90 mins ?????????????
Posted: 2009-12-09 15:17:33
Can Vinny not talk for 90 minutes, more like? :) love ya, Vin x. Here's hoping BIG ratings!!!
Posted: 2009-12-09 16:22:07
how is the production looking guys?
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-09 17:29:19
really enjoyed that,well done msa
Posted: 2009-12-09 17:33:54
it was cracking to see the fights again, does anyone know if the other fights are being shown at a later date?
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-12-09 18:46:28
Indeed it was welldone to all!

Liams so so strong.

Jordan awesome mate.

Keep living the dream guys
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-12-09 22:43:27
we all went from my gym where we had the Pleasure of the Vinnie Shoreman with a 50/50 muay thai class and lightfinder NLP session !
Awesome and then all went for a Meal and drinks and all sat and watched the Show
Well done to all
It looked very good and professional too !
was good listening to Rob Cox and Vinnie ( great commentary ), and having vinnie sat next to us as well as on Telly, ( Twin Vinsters ) :)

I felt Liam did even better than first thought on the night, and he didnt do bad then either lol
Boy Liam your Tough man ! ya still my fav fighter pal !

Jordan wow, just gets better, whats next for him?
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-12-10 02:31:28
andrei kubelin is class
Posted: 2009-12-10 02:53:19

Good TV production overall

Dougie , Vinnie & Rob great stuff really professional...

Fights looked great , brill TV camera work with differant angles....

Great for the fighters that were showcased ( shame for the other lads , you all deserved an airing )

Action replays brill & inter round re-capping by rob & vinnie was good...


Editing a bit out of sorts , comments getting cut a few times esp at the end , same crowd shots many times over..

Pity all fighters didnt get a minutes mention at the end ( as sky boxing when time is very short )


How quick did that 90 mins go

P.S Rai
Posted: 2009-12-10 03:54:07
sure was great to see some of the fight's again!!, where's the rest..We all know which one we want to see again Mr D.T!
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-12-10 04:02:52
Indeed he is Chris and a fellow amateur too :o)
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-10 05:12:36
liam and saenchai were amazing,first time ive seen liam really into it and it was electric!!hard as nails
jordan was so respectful and classy,leg kick watching heaven.
and keddle team entrance-lmao

on a negative note--no women bouts again!!.even the commentators mentioned all the best male fighters and upcoming male fighters-just thought it a bit unfair to listen to after julie has won wmc and wpmf and defended both this year.i know ill get pounced on but hard work should pay off and these shows are featuring the best of british a-class fighters.i shouldnt have to argue our case on this.

last moan before xmas-promise.x
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-12-10 05:36:56
lol not you again - well done julie :o)
Posted: 2009-12-10 06:22:30
I really enjoyed the show (even though Marc and I didn't make the cut, boo hoo)

Liam and Sakkedao was my favourite fight on the night and i'm saving it to my sky box for many more vewings. First class muaythai from both

Hope your arms better Liam, the crack off those kicks was terrifing!

Any news on when the dvd will be ready?

Posted: 2009-12-10 06:45:36
Didn`t see it, glad it looked good.
Posted: 2009-12-10 08:09:19
Nathan was mesmerised by who was fighting at the time mate so i was doing my job ...but i assure you Julie is in my thoughts xx hope she fights on MSA she is class,thank you for all the kind words and texts means alot to me x
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-12-10 09:13:01
julie vs Germaine no2 would be good to see
noel london
Posted: 2009-12-10 09:19:29
and as Nathan pointed out would probably hold the world record for most number of belts held by the 2 opponents!
Posted: 2009-12-10 12:00:50
Fantastic show! Great commentating, MC'ing and fighters. Roll on March 27th!!! Well done to all and cheers to Liam for the hookup ;)
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-10 14:54:11
sorry guys,woke up with flu and was grouchy-hope no offence was taken,thanks for not stamping all over me-been scared to look all day.xxxx
Posted: 2009-12-10 19:38:22
I suppose it's too cheeky to ask if anyone intends to upload the Liam Harrison fight to Youtube or such like? ta
Alix James
Posted: 2009-12-11 04:25:16
No it wouldn't be cheeky! Someone upload the whole show on Rapidshare for those poor people stranded over the other side of the world wanting to watch this :P
Posted: 2009-12-11 07:20:13
no women bouts again!!.

thing is mate a lot of times it just isnt that intresting and to be fair it isnt a ladies sport, it like you have the chance to watch man unt or man unt womens team, it lacks the explosion blood and guts that the guys fights carry, general public would probably be disgusted seeing women fight any rules let alone ftr! sorry to be down beat on it its just the truth mate.
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-12-11 07:30:19
In The Red Corner...Paulinthailand

and in the Blue corner...Nathan Kitchen

Ding Ding...Round 1
Posted: 2009-12-11 07:31:32
womens tiddlewinks over man unt anyday...
noel london
Posted: 2009-12-11 07:32:55
I can see what your saying Paul but just think Strikeforce (MMA) drew 16,000 to headline a fight between 2 woman in full rules MMA - Gina Carano vs Cyborg. Our own Claire Haigh fought mrs JWP in Auss in again a full rules MMA bout - which was the Main Event...

Legends this weekend just gone had 4 or 5 womens fights - and there was no doubting the guts in any of the fights I saw.

We now have Womens olympic boxing coming in - so general public are coming round to women being able to fight

Im not naive and agree its a harder sell - but slowly slowly attitudes are changing - plus there are plenty of girls who work there ass off and fight there hearts out.

Again think about marketing, get the right person - Julie for example, attractive, skillful, mutliple world champ / mother - sponsors dream if given exposure ;-)
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-11 08:12:56
i appreciate your honest opinion paul-you have hit the nail on the head and i really havent taken it the wrong way as people would expect.
i feel that this attitude amongst the sport is unfortunately very common and promoters are proving it..paul just gives it straight as

bill judd headlined julie v karen lynch on his show in was one of the best,most exciting ftr fights i have ever feeling each other out in the first round and more elbows thrown in round one than nearly any male muaythai fight.this continued through all 5 letting each other rest or have time off in the 5th.
im sure bill didnt feel let down or disgusted that this fight headlined his show.
people want to see exciting,relentless,dramatic fights whether its male or female.
female fights are only boring if you turn up with the attitude that it will be crap before it starts.

looking from a general public viewing do you think that joe average who has watched a bit of boxing and a few street fights would appreciate watching a thai fight where the first round and last round isnt entertaining.i live in a town where boxing rules and thaiboxing is karate etc etc (small minded,small town)and most would switch their tv off after round 1.then head to the pub to slag it off.
if we dont capture a new audience then it will just be us watching muaythai on sky and the sport will not grow.

the msa shows are showcasing britains best v the best from the rest of the world,which is where the sport has to go to show how good we are against the best.we are on the right road to educate a new audience but now is not the time for ignorance!
julie has represented the uk against foreign competitors 26 times and lost once

clifton brown believed in julie and put her on in on one of the best muaythai line ups ever representing the uk.i think she did us proud and has done for years alongside other hard working ladies who as a representative of great britain are bring it home right now.

good debate though.

Posted: 2009-12-11 08:13:26
can i bet on paulinthailand to win please ??????

on another note..... i see pauls point... this country doesn not really allow ftr for womens bouts.... if it did it would be good and then would see some cracking ladies bouts.... weve got some good female talent here.
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-11 08:35:21
good bet wainey-paul will mash me.
Posted: 2009-12-11 08:40:31
what julie has going for her is a nice face and that will help sell her, i see wht your saying also nathan and im not saying all girls fights are shite but they often lack the stopping power and excitement male fights have, i personaly hate seeing women in elbow fights, bleeding and spittin out the teeth should be left to the ones with testosterone in my eyes, but thats just my opinion! all the best with it any how
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-11 14:50:59
Posted: 2009-12-11 15:10:19
Nathan i like you and Julie is awesome she has fought all over the world this year and is incredible..this is not about Julie this is about MSA,am sure if you contact Dan green he would happily get her on the shows,she has had fights all over the globe this year and won am puzzled as to what your geeting at?? x
Posted: 2009-12-11 15:37:42
The idea is to showcase the best i want to see her on the shows defo but i also want to ALL our best fighters like i stated she is awesome mate but,so is Dale white,Keiran keddle,Imran khan,Paulo de silva,all of which have held world titles...although Julies far sexier...sorry lads xx
Posted: 2009-12-11 16:18:59
Wouldnt matter if Julie was unbeaten in 50 fights with 50 first round KO`s by elbow, if she was headlining shows it would be the complete opposite of what would be needed to take the sport forward in the eye of the public and the media.

Rightly or wrongly, if the bucks are to come into the sport you have to give them what they want, and women being given equal or superior billing to blokes on shows wouldn`t allow any long term interest, in fact it would demean the sport to them.

Personally think Julie is great, as we all do, but sorry but thats just the way it is imo.

nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-12 04:16:26
what i am trying to say is that in the early days of julies career,my barrier was where we lived,we stuck at it and lost a lot in the process,then i thought it was because she didnt fight ftr, so i adapted her but i was mistaken,it was because she is a woman!! pretty devastating really.a huge error on my part.

yes the guys mentioned above are some of my favourite fighters too,but they havent achieved a 3rd of what julie has this year but if there was a thread/interview/article on who is this years best fighter,i guarantee that julie would not be mentioned unless it was a separate ladies thing,--why? she is doing the best job at representing OUR country at the moment in OUR sport.
yet everyone is ramming the growth of our ever evolving sport down our throats,putting all our eggs into one basket with the ukmf etc to make things EQUAL?? creating shows that offer the countrys best fighters to push the sport forward--why not set up a site where people get to choose the fights they want on these supershows??-- comon people quit sitting on the fence instead of defending the right for a woman that is the most successful fighter male or female in the country at present bar none.germaine doesnt get this in holland,they are proud for her to be who she is and she featured on all the top shows--busy shows.--i think julie can beat her.--how many male uk fighters in any weight can beat the best fighter in the world even though they will all give it a go?
when i watched the video above i watched the skill and aggression of a class fighter not her pretty face.

muaythai is a tough sexist sport to be involved in,its obviously too late for some but i hope that some of the upcoming females can see that it dosent matter how much you do,how hard you work and how much you give up--it will never be enough.get out now.

just ordered julie a cock & ball set for
Posted: 2009-12-12 04:54:29
but they havent achieved a 3rd of what julie has this year

but julie is fighting women, womens level is not near the level of the mens, julies muay thai technique is not excellent, she wins fights on heart and fitness not great skills, she is a cross fighter of kick boxing and muay thai, her style is very unorthadox, bouncy and not particularly beautiful. she wins fights the way she does it, good for her, have you seen womens boxing? its hideous, who wants to see women smashing each others faces in, its no sexist, its like we dont want to see old people kicking the shit out of each other either. each to their own im sure some guys like it, i appreciat a nice technical ladies fight but it still always never quite makes the cut.
Posted: 2009-12-12 05:02:08
i seem harsh in that last message, im not saying she is skilless, ofcorse not, i just went through that video and she has good teeps and decent knees, better than most women and that is what makes her 10x champ but its just not for me, sorry mate.
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-12 05:41:02
harsh you--never-lol

kru thakoon rates julie as a skilled muaythai fighter,he has to be one of the worlds best qualified to say so thats good enough for me.

i reckon my vote idea could be the answer though,what do you guys think? the top 5 fights that people rate for each supershow then the promoters can see what the public want.

i met a guy in italy who goes to shows just interested in the womens bout so there is definitely 2 sides to the story.
paul pearson
Posted: 2009-12-12 09:18:07
Personally Ive always found it easier to teach women Muay Thai skills than men(in general) they dont have the macho toughness that us lads have,Women tend to keep their composure when they fight easier than most men in my experience,not every fight has to be about being a bloody war,technique can and does win out,Im sure audiences can appreciate good technical bouts.

Nathan,does all this stuff about Julie not geting the credit you feel she deserves becaue of her being female ever make you think you both should of went into a more rewarding sport?.
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-12-12 09:35:47
damn right paul,but as i said above,i genuinely thought it was where we lived that was the problem not sexism.
i hope that all the instructors sitting on the fence right now are prepared to look their female hopefuls in the eye when they turn up next lesson and tell them it all aint worth it and i aint backing you up because muaythai wont accept you and i am following the grain, get on home woman-both my male and female fighters get the same treatment from me,no-one is different and i will put the same amount of time into all of tell them there isnt the same future as the guy they are standing next to will not occur in touchgloves gym or on my shows where 800 people attend.

julies muay thai technique is not excellent, she wins fights on heart and fitness not great skills, she is a cross fighter of kick boxing and muay thai, her style is very unorthadox, bouncy and not particularly beautiful. she wins fights the way she does it, good for her

can someone please post the fight between julie and karen lynch everytime julie bounces i will attempt to pick up a matchstick with my bare arse cheeks..julies style involves fakes (lots of ) but thats just how i teach.i personally hate to see a perfect roundhouse thrown cold,they just get blocked or caught.but kickboxing she is not.

then have a quick look at the man on the poster above-saenchai-best fighter in muaythai yet wins throwing spinning kicks,axe kicks etc etc very unorthodox fighter ---but mabe its ok for a bloke?
the bird is the word
Posted: 2009-12-12 09:56:08
julie kitchen vs gina carano!!!!!!!
the bird is the word
Posted: 2009-12-12 09:56:23
on msa of course
paul pearson
Posted: 2009-12-12 10:12:27
Thanks for the answer Nathan,I fully understand how as a coach you must feel.

Keep on sticking to what you belive and slowly things may change bro.

By the way I feel Julie is a credit to not only ladies Muay Thai but Muay Thai overall.
Posted: 2009-12-12 10:42:46
I dont care if your a man or a women in Muay Thai, only if you are fighing with good technique, heart and representing the sport/art of thaiboxing.

Attitudes are more accepting to women in combat by the general public, the extreme example being women in war zones but it is still deemed unacceptable to see women injured or in direct harms way Ie. not actualy fighting on the front line. Society likes the idea of equality but is not prepared to deal publicly with the results.

So the idea of women on a top bill like MSA is excellent, the general public will not enjoy the result ie. blood, injury etc. and may effect the overall public acceptance of the sport.

As a rule womens sports have always been way behind mens, for example womens football, rugby etc in participents, spectators and prize money/sponsorship so the idea of saying to females in your gym "dont bother as you wont be treated as good as the men" has no basis.

Women like Julie should be commended for the effort they have inspite of all the barriers put infront of them and im sure they inspire many young ladies in the sport as much as for example a Mia Hann would. That is the kind of level she is at.

As for letting the spectators pick matches for the MSA shows, im sure GMS is quaking in his boots with what we can all come up with!

paul pearson
Posted: 2009-12-12 12:03:37
Good post WD:)
Posted: 2009-12-12 17:15:55
Nath, womens tennis has only just caught up to the mens in terms of equal pay in some tournaments, and comparing tennis to MT in terms of coverage and size is like comparing an F1 car to me trying to outsprint it on foot.

You can`t afford to beat yourself up about it.

Julie will desrvedly have top billing on shows, but not those that the media want to cover. Thats the world we live in.
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