in London, just wonder what people think

I think they're more KB orienatetd than MT!

I'm not 100% sure though.

That's a name I havent heard for a while!! Wasn't it run by Lincoln Boney?? I think Julian and Andre Howell may run it now, if not then they have their own club as I saw them at an interclub last year with some fighters.

Don't know any other details, just that they have had some excellent fighters in the past.

All i know too ! sorry
sandy man holt
And what did happen to LINCOLN BONEY ?? anyone know ???????
he had a good Female fighter that was going places then JUST disapeared ? Michelle Aborro

Lincoln was in Thailand with us 2 years ago, he had some good fighters with him.
He is a top class trainer and has the ability to produce the goods as he has many times in the past!

Lincoln is still running it, I trained there for a while last year. It seemed pretty good but I'm now training closer to home and I just wondered what other people knew about it because it's pretty hard to find info anywhere about them apart from on their own website. I think Michelle Aborro is now living abroad, (Croatia?) and boxing. She's meant to be pretty good at that as well.

They brought a few fighters down to our interclub last sunday. They were all good though all of them did appear to struggle in the clinch quite a bit which led me to believe they might be more KB orientated !

Yeah, it was more kickboxing when I was training. We did use a lot of low kicks but clinch work was quite rare.

Is that the one near victoria?
When i lived down london i met someone who trained down there... that's tim izli's camp right?
to be honest he didnt say very positive things about that place

Hi Farhad

That must be a different one, Lincoln Boney runs it, I know they do classes in the west end, Brixton and I think in Walthamstow as well. As far as I know they have not done anything Victoria way and I've not heard of Tim Izli. I didn't think there was anything wrong with it, I've just found one that suits me more.

My bad, sorry he runs the Cobra Kickboxing camp in victoria
cobra, vipers lol u can see how i made the error
;)

I have known Lincon Boney for many years .He is the real deal he has produced some great fighters in different disciplines inclucding MT, plus he is a alround nice guy.

I wasn't saying anything bad about him Bill,. I hope you didn't get that impression, it's just harder to find info about Vipers than a lot of other gyms on the web. I only had good experiences there and made some good friends. I was just interested.

Lincoln Boney came good around the time when the British Thai Boxing Council (the first main Association in the uk) failed to cater for the southerners.
They (inc. Lincon who was one of the organisers) formed their own Association, the British Muay Thai Association.
Both argued about who was the real representatives of the uk, and at one stage they were both the ONLY members affiliated to Thom Harrinks EMTA.

I believe Lincoln 'got in' with the EMTA, and as he was the top man it was his fighters (from his gym) that were doing a bit of representing abroad.
He had some good boxers down there, but they struggled when they stepped up in class abroad, and rarely did the north v south fights that were so often threatened ever happen.

Like all gym owners who run associations, he looked after his own, but usually they were the best down south anyway.
Lincoln was a good manager for his fighters, and came up to Toddy's to try to improve his techniques.
He managed to get c class fighters ranked in Europe and protected his fighters against tough opposition.

He was a good guy if you were one of his. Kevin Jemmont and the Howells spring to mind (and he had a few heavy's who were kickboxers). I believe Aundrey went a long way in the Am boxing, although he lost badly to Kenniche in France. Michelle O'Boro was a good fighter. She had a cracker when she lost to Lisa Howarth, unlucky that here technique wasn't on parr as she was strong a very fit.
I think Michelle went to Holland (i have a fight somewhere showing a lot of improvement) and now boxes.

This is off my head,

They also had Peter Belmar and I think Shaun Cochran trained with them aswell. The Vipers were a good club, and were always at all the shows with very good support.

Colin is also right in that they were one of the best clubs in the south. (Woking were a close second!!! LOL)


I'd love to see the Vipers back on the scene.

Peter Belmont fought Ronnie Green!

= Eoropean-Muay-Thai-Association !
is it still going ? do ya know/
ta

Not bad colin, It was in fact myself Lincoln Boney and chris price that formed the B.M.T.A.Peter Belmar ,Julian Howe,Trevor Clarke, and Michelle Oboro were execellent Fighter`s Sean Cochran was my student orginly but changed camps with my blessing when he moved . KO and viper had and Still have a great rivalry.Lincoln had a close tie with Vos gym in Amsterdam where many of his fighters inclucding Julian and Michelle Trained . Michelle is still a world boxing champion I believe.

I had the pleasure in meeting Lincoln Boney in Amsterdam in 1994 at a IMTA meeting.
We seemed to have got along well and I invited over to Australia.
Wthin 6months we flew his fighter Steve Thompson to fight Shane Starr and he beat Shane on a Points decision taking back to England the WKBF
World Amatuer Supermiddleweight Title..(1994 or 1995)
Tarik met Julian Howell in Sydney while I was hosting him & Frank Lobman and flew him over to fight Baris or Tibet he had lost in the 6th or 7th rd Nick Stone did his corner they new each other in England.
Lincoln Boney great person for the sport the real deal for sure..
Regards
Lucy Tui

Thanks for all the info, Peter Belmar is now coaching for Lincoln. Good trainer and a good bloke as well

Bill.
Trevor Clark was the guy i was thinking of when i had "heavies" in mind, but he wasn't a heavy was he?
Your BMTA was the start of the crazy associations problems this country has now (but i understand entirely why you did it), but i bet you couldn't have invisaged it being like it is now :-)
Did you pull out after it started as Lorenzo Cablierro (a karate man) seemed to have a lot of say in things.
And what happened to Arts International? That was one of Lincoln's as well wasn't it?
As far as i can remember all that time ago only one fighter (Craig Howlin) bridged the BTBC/BMTA gap by holding both titles at one time.
Haha... the last undisputed champion.

I would have liked to have seen the link with BMTA and BTBC to form the proposed BMTC, but i guess that the ego's were all in overdrive by then and it wasn't going to happen.

I have also only heard both sides (which doesn't always mean the truth:-) of the story regarding the crazy situations with the WMTA and IMTA. I know they (with Lincoln voting as uk rep for WMTA and EMTA) kicked Tony Moore out of the WMTA, but my understanding was it was all about Tony supporting the IMTA who at the time were the only ones sanctioning elbows (real mt).
That only a few of Europes fighters were fighting these rules (Karman primerily) i was against the uk reps voting as they did (although i've never been a member of anyone).
I know there was personalities and politics involved as there always is, but i'm curious what Lincolns stance was on the subject at the time?

Lincoln's fighter Julian Howell always talked a good fight against Dawson Burghandy (that fight appeared to irritate him a bit), but sad for all of us this cracker of a domestic battle never happened. I have my suspitions why, but they are only an educted guess. It was a pitty they didn't get it on anyway.
What do you think?

Julian was a good fighter. Sometimes a bit lazy though. He could sink to the level of a lesser fighter and rise to a better one. Some of the matches that never came off for him were probably always going to be an exciting prospect. His fight early on with Tim Izli was a good match up for London at the time. Lincoln Boney - always seemed to do the right thing for people and as Colin says he looked after his own very well. By that I don't mean that fighters were avoided particularly, but he rarely matched them before it was time. The 80's early 90's crew were all respected on the Southern circuit and it was interesting to see the improvement in a fighter when he/she joined their camp from somewhere else. Darryl Wilkinson springs to mind.
I felt the same way about Bill Judds camp as well. Also Vince Jauncey and Cobra Gym. In those days I always tried to learn as much as possible from those guys, even if it was being knocked out in a round or thouroughly beaten over three by one of their prospects.

Hi colin,
Yes I pulled out when I realised that It was a case of Personalities before principles . I was for(and have always advocated) unification.Alas very few can take a oversight and see the bigger picture .I for one have no controll over anyone ,I can only express a view and work with like minded people.
Times change as do views

It is a shame that the BMTA and BTBC couldn't get it together. I remember once at a BMTA meeting , asking why we couldn't get together so there would only be one organisation... lets just say that it wasn't met with a whole lot of enthusiasm!!!

It is interesting to see that the BMTA and BTBC are not such a force anymore with more clubs and promoters showing more alliegance to bodies like WAKO, WMTO and ISKA (I know there are loads more, but I haven't got time to try and write them all down!!! LOL)

http://www.vipers.co.uk/

Zebedee.
I'm not suprised that there was no enthusiasm concidering the why the BMTA was formed.
Don't you also think that it's not that there is so much an alliegence to the other organisations as that the clubs/promoters can dictate their requirements more so these days with so many bodies to choose from ?

yes some good and accurate points above !
And yes Trev clarke was light heavy i think ! /
And also michelle is a world boxing champ ALL this info: is on the site ! Check it out !
http://www.vipers.co.uk/

And Col wow yep NICE-1 ref: Craig howlin he was undefeated too ! Trained with me @ the Bolton-Thai-boxing-Club.
he did lose ONE fight too a great fighter and it was a tough fight ! YOU might have been there COL ?? it was @ middleton civic hall ( your home town ? ! )
Way back on a Steve Hatelys show !
craig defended his British B.T.B.C. Title v the one and only Winston Walker !
went the distance and Winston won on points !
Was ya there Col ?
cheers for what ya wrote too BTW ! :)

COL H writes:-
As far as i can remember all that time ago only one fighter (Craig Howlin) bridged the BTBC/BMTA gap by holding both titles at one time.

To be honest, the (then) bridge between BMTA & BTBC seems so uncomplicated compared to todays situation!

Sandy.
I was there, Pete fought Mark Russell. Also Adrian (Carl) Thompson has a cracker with Kirkwood. It was in Oldham on Sken's show.
Craig was a bit of a glamour boy with all the belts and women etc. He took a hiding off winston though. To his credit he never quit the fight, it was a tough night for him.

Zebedee.... what's complicated ?
"and here is the undisputed 30 times British champion" :-)

Colin,

It's all TOOOO complicated for me!!! LOL

I only went to the one meeting as I was sitting in for Mick as he couldn't make it, so i don't really have much experiance on the subject.
I was just a young nieve teenager (as opposed to an old nieve 30something!!) and just fought where my club put me.
It did always amaze me with the politics of the sanctioning bodies. It seemed to be BMTA was south and BTBC was north and they should never meet!!
Lets be honest about it, we all use the whatever sanctioning body we are affiliated to, for insurance and that's about it.

In an ideal world, we would have one organisation that looked after us all and had us and our sports interest at at the fore front of priorities.

It's like you said Colin, "and here is the undisputed 30 times British champion" :-)
It really is getting that bad!

This could be a new thread..... :)

This is for Sandy,
Sandy would it be possible to send me Lincoln Boneys email would like to catch up with him.
Thanks
Regards
Lucy Tui

Check it out too and say hello from me too !
cheers i did !
e-mail
Lincoln@vipers.co.uk
http://www.vipers.co.uk/