XPLOSION 7: WAKELING VS LEVIN

Its Official , Xplsoion fight series just gets better and better as we are proud to announce for our next show on the 7th July 2012 indigo2 at the 02 the much anticipated bout between

Stephen Wakeling (Scorpions gym , Beckenham) who is considered by many as the the greatest Supermiddleweight in the world winning
2011 WBC Muay Thai Supermiddleweight World champion
2008 WMC M.A.D. World champion
2007 WKA Tournament World Middleweight Champion
2006 WBC Muay Thai Middleweight World champion
2005 S-1 Tournament World champion
2004 IMKO World champion
2003 WMC Muay Thai World champion
2003 WAKO-PRO World title (68 kg)
2002 IKF Super Welterweight European champion
2001 British champion

Stephen now takes on his toughest challenge to date in Russian Light Heavyweight Artem "the lion" Levin who again has ammassed title after title

2011 Current WBC Muaythai World Light heavyweight (175 lbs/79.379 kg) champion
2010 Current It's Showtime 77 MAX World Champion (1 def.)
2008 The Contender Asia Season 2 Russian qualifying tournament champion
2008 Battle of Champions tournament World Champion
2007 WMC Intercontinental title at 76 kg
2007 WMC EMF European title at 76 kg

Amateur 2011 IFMA European Amateur Muaythai champion (81 kg)
2010 SportAccord World Combat Games Muaythai champion (75 kg)
2010 IFMA European Amateur Muaythai champion (75 kg)
2009 IFMA European Amateur Muaythai champion (75 kg)
2008 Busan TAFISA World Games IFMA Amateur Muaythai champion (75 kg)
2007 IFMA Amateur Muaythai World champion (75 kg)
2006 IFMA Amateur Muaythai World champion (75 kg)
2006 WMF Amateur Muaythai World champion (75 kg)
2005 WMF Amateur Muaythai World champion (67 kg)
2004 IFMA Amateur Muaythai World champion (67 kg)
2003–2011 IFMA Champion of Russia

The promises to be the greatest muay thai fight of the year with a stacked undercard inc Greg Wooton , Lyndon Knowles , Salah , Jose Verla , Matthew Tieu , Pete Irving and many more.

tickets will available in the next 2 weeks......

Well done to Xplosion for lining this up

That is massive, congrats on pulling this one off!

And me x

Who is Jose varela fightin?

Looks class already...

Looks great Kieran

You got a match for Lyndon Knowles yet, Mark Casserly might be interested in a match if possible


thanks Paddy

Nice , what weight will the fight be If Stephen is as pumped for this as he was cornering micheal it's going to get scary

wow

79.3kgs 5x3 mins.

Huge domestic fight announced further this weekend watch this space....

Excellent work Mr Keddle. I really enjoyed Xplosion6.

If I may make one humble suggestion, that you shorten the programme by 2 or 3 fights.

At Xplosion 6 I watched all the fights from start to finish but sometimes these shows can go on a bit late and half the audience have to leave before the headline fight which is a bit of a shame for the atmosphere and the fighters involved.

Wow is what I say aswell !!! I might need a session with you Vinny just to have the balls to get in and corner for a fight like this. Can Stephen really step up another weight and fight a super light heavy weight World Champion. Rocky v Drago lol.

If you have never seen Stephen fight live before, get a ticket early, as it is so hard to get fights here now that it could be the last time he fights in this country.

Is the huge domestic fight Luke turner vs greg Wooten ??? :-)

No guessing allowed...









... I was wondering just the same thing.

What a fight!! Is this sanctioned by WMC or WBC?

bang bang!

There will be only 14 fights maximum on this card , completely agree i got carried away.

Domestic clash will be announced shortly

Already looking forward to it.

Great fight - good luck Steve & Mark

Nice

Awesome, last show was superb, good luck fellas

Quality! I'll look forward to this :-)

Fantastic fight!!

THIS GONNA BE SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Massive fight for Stephen. Both fighters a similar build. I think Stephen will be the underdog given Artem's more recent form. He's also got his battle of the belts fight a month earlier. If Levin wins that fight, does Stephen fight for it?

Congrats to the promoter for putting this fight on and establishing who is number 1.

Further details Inc sanctioning bodies this week , plus some more matches and announcements.

Some great names on that card. Nice job, chaps.

Best posters ever x

AND AS IF IT COULD GET ANY BETTER......THE FIGHT ALL FANS AND FOLLOWERS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR....


GREG WOOTON V LUKE TURNER 63.5KG

WHO REALLY IS NO 1????

Greg wooton,An XFS PREMIER FIGHTER representing Bill Judds Famous KO GYM,Recently captured the WMC/MAD Title, with a skillfull and courageous Display of Muaythai over Prathet Sor Thanikul from Thailand.

Record: 30fights/28 wins/2 losses

TITLES:
WMC/MAD CHAMPION
WMC EUROPEAN CHAMPION
UKMF BRITISH CHAMPION
Ranked no 2 in Britain


Luke Turner representing Richard Smiths equaly (In)Famous BAD COMPANY GYM in Leeds, will NOT be an EASY task as he proved when he stopped the highly Regarded ANDRE KOTSUR from Belarush!!

Record: 30 fights/27 wins/3 losses

TITLES:
I.S.K.A WORLD CHAMPION
THA-PAE STADIUM CHAMPION(THAILAND)
UKMF ENGLISH CHAMPION

with equal amounts of fights and both world class, this fight alone is worthy of being MAIN EVENT on any show, in any country!!! AND WE HAVE IT HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN LONDON!!!!

Oooft! Tht is a beauty.
Good luck to the muskateer fascial furniture sporting wigmaster

Didn't think u could top the last show, but u already have with only 2 fights!

....we aim to please Dean, some awesome undercard fights to be announced aswell...

Predictions ??

Turner by late stoppage, both excellent fighters

I would go with Luke Turner, he is clinical and on a role at the moment.

Nice one Kieran. Both fighters are on a roll apparently.

I'll go with Greg of course.

My predicition is for a fantastic fight.

wow wow wow!!!!! Cant wait :)

REALLY looking forward to the Greg/Luke fight. That fight alone has got me buying a ticket. They're both such great technical fighters and both comping from such experienced camps. It'll be really interesting to see what kind of game plan Mr Smith and Mr Judd come up with.

Raymond Bennett

Thank you for the grammar lesson. It is "on a roll."
Learn something new on AX everyday.

Luke T for the Win, watched him fight Weekend gone,Toyed with his opp rnd 2/3 then finished in rnd 4 Explosive, Powerful!, and Technical/skilful fighter at 63.5

gonna be away on that date or deffo would have travelled from liverpool to watch that fight.

How old are Luke and Greg? Also every fight I've watched Luke in he looks about 6ft. Massive for 63.5 anyway!

dvs1

Strictly speaking, it's spelling and not grammar but that's another lesson and I don't come cheap ;-)

Did Greg go to private school?

two amazzing fights. Turner is the man , and has a habit of pushing himself to the next level when tested. Think he will beat/ cut wooten. And wakeling will win too , Thisll be an amazing day for ukmt and for up north with luke smashin it

Wootton stops Luke in third whilst clinching with inside elbow.

Or it drains on to points decision for Greg.

Big respect to the Wakeling family for taking that fight. I have refed Levin and he is a power house and absolutely massive for his size.

Levin draining Wakeling down to win in fourth by stoppage.

Or Wakeling bringing a stoppage by knee to head in clinch or left kick to the head Any round before fourth.

Wakeling is class a national heritage along with Liam,Julie,thrash,tim,Jordan and the rest he will do this am sure and Luke v Greg it's like battle of students both look like university graduates,imagine starting trouble with them hahaha Greg and Luke are quality people can't pick a winner it's a fantastic clash well done kieran and steve this time I get to go x

They both are University students Vinny

Samu-

as theol' saying goes........Graduates from the school of hard knocks no doubt????

Greg to win by stoppage.
I think he will have too much for Turner.
Wakeling wins by stoppage also.

Got a feeling there is gonna be some good gambling going on at this show :-)

Can people keep commenting please I hate it when a kickboxing thread is the top of the list on ax

iv never seen greg stop anyone i dont think think..iv also never seen him fight anyone as good or as fit as luke...so a stoppage is not on the cards imo. a great fight for sure. ill have £50 on wakeling and £50 on luke

I've heard that Greg is taking a secret training camp up for this can anyone confirm ?

ill add 50 for luke n wakeling to liams bet if anyone wants it

Greg KO'd Paul Kelly at the MT Legends show. That's the only fight I've seen him in. Regardless I still think Luke will win.

Artem is a beast, not lost sine 2009. He has been way more active than Stephen also. Think Stephen has to be considered the underdog. If I was a betting man I would take those bets above.

Cheers again Raymond...

Probably by elbow stoppage to he's elbow daft!

when did stephen last lose ? i class him as A p4p great. He beat JWP when he was a boy still. Beat stadium champs. He will beat Levin. He is class.

Seen him get beat on sky off a thai I'm sure.

Yodsanklai knocked him out back in 2008. That's his last loss to a Thai that I am aware of.

How old is Stephen now - Artem is only 25, according to Wikipedia.

He lost to Lamsongkram in 07 on bill Judds show,

Hes a cracker of a fighter I was lucky enough to be at the show when he fought Ying Yai, what a fight that was,


I think he will move up no problem and beat Levin but it wont be easy and maybe a stoppage late on.

goodluck Michael, Mark and Steve.

Stephen has always looked big at the lighter weights so I shouldn't imagine he'll have a problem moving up either.

He looked pretty scary in his brothers corner at Xplosion6 I think Michael won the fight because he was scared of Stephen's reaction if he lost. ;-)

Stephen won't struggle for size. I hear he's walking round at 95kg+

Lamsomkram schooled him but he has been excellent since then, just wish he was more active

Sorry and no offence but ive not seen many people NOT stop Paul Kelly! He got stopped or ko'd in like 7 fights or more on the bounce, even a 70yr old Rich Cadden sparked him with a jab, and Beags a bit of a fag ;) lol. Turner and Gregg is an awesome fight and what weve all wanted for ages. Turner to win late stoppage/points ill have 50 with Liam too.

Turner stoppage via elbows.

having watched Greg fight many times, and witnessed Luke this weekend< i can honestly say that this will be such a great match up. Both great guys, cant wait :)

Yodsaenklai never fought Wakeling to best of my knowledge?

Wakeling is around 30 I think. Ive only seen him lose against Lamsongkram and Michael Showers (he fought showers ftr when he was around 18 i think)

Yod stopped Levin, Hawkman not Wakeling

Levin also beat Yod. It was with elbow pads under stupid tournament rules, but he really did dominate Yod unlike I've ever seen any farang do before (with the possible exception of Kyshenko's recent fight).

Was that in the sport accord games? If so it was full padding. Shins, head gear, elbow pads, the works. I didn't bother watching it it looked terrible

it was terrible indeed.

I think Wakeling would have beaten Yod if you put them in a ring with each other 4 years ago and would have been a more interesting fight.

Wakeling should beat Levin

wakeling has three losses. lamsongkram, showers and kevin Harper i think wakeling broke hes leg in that fight.

How many fights has wakling had in total ?

Stephen inactive is that a joke !!!!! Stephen is aloud in no big money tournaments, because they say he is to good. And they cant have a one legged horse race. Their words not mine. Stephen stepped up to 76kg because because he could not get fights at 72. He went straight for the Thai W.B.C World Champion in Thailand and beat him. For over one year no one challenged for the great GREEN BELT, hard to believe, but true. Now the only fighter out there that is like the old church hill dog and says Oh yes is Levin. So now Stephen jumps up to light heavy weight to fight probably the best light heavy weight in the World.

Never before has Stephen given everything away. Reach, height, power, experience. Stephens defensive skills will be null for Levins reach and focus.

If both fighters are still standing in the 5th round, Rocky v Drago will look like a walk in the park.

Also if there is any good cuts men out there that are willing to give volunteer there services get in touch. Mark

Ps only letting you know not many people want to fight Stephen at the lower weights not having a go lol

@Mark

Is it possible for you to send me a decent photo of Stephen for his individual poster.

I want to give him equal advertising and promotion for this show as per the other 3 fighters in the main events but just need a photo.

Please email it to ollie@thatposterboy.co.uk

I'm going to go with turner on this fight. This is the fight he has been hungry for can't see him not winning. Rwnd 3 stoppage due to cut from his beasty elbows

LOL, just as well the internet doesn't decide it or Greg might as well not bother turning up. :-)

It's in Greg's backyard so to speak, doe's appear to be the underdog on here. Might play into Greg's hands.

It's jst an opinion. I'm sure yours will differ.
There's no denying both guys are top fighters and it will be a gr8 fight
Let's not let this go down the Julie and Amanda a fight of people being offended by other peoples ideas

Opinions are like assholes- smelly, and occasionally hairy

Don't get me wrong, I think a little partisanship will spice up the fight, though we better pace ouselves as we've still got a couple of months to go.
I've yet to see Luke fight but the fact that he has so many fans on here has got to be testament to his ability and I doubt Bill is going to pull the plug on the fight just because Luke has loads of fans on here. ;-)

Keep it real lol it's only 8 people that said Luke will win! hardly a call to make Greg the underdog!
Having said that I think Luke will win :)
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"If both fighters are still standing in the 5th round, Rocky v Drago will look like a walk in the park."

It is going to be an epic battle, I cant wait for this!

Lyndon Knowles v mark casserly be a nice match.

some more domestic matches to be announced this week! watch this space.

added to the card so far - A class domestic bouts

Adam Lee Mason (Semtex) vs Daniel Terry (Stars) FTR

John Paul Donoghue (Semtex) vs Mike Clarke (Tobins) FTR

Erik Lloyd (Semtex) vs Lyndon Knowles (Minotaurs)

Peter Irving (Semtex) vs Rickie Hamilton (Warriors) 3x3 K-1

Yahia Abaza (KO) vs Wayne Fisher (Carlisle Dragons) FTR

Hayleigh Jane Clarkson (Semtex) vs Kelsey Van Poll (Holland) 5x2



further announcemnts for Jose Varela , Salah , Carla Sullivan , Matthew Tieu , Amanda Kelly and Arnold Arborotov this week!!

Jose Verla (ko Bloodline) vs Keith Mclachlan (Eclipse , Scotland)

Jose , the all out Action man from KO bloodline tackles the technical Scots man Keith McLachlan in what could be the fight of the night.

Expect fireworks between power and skill!!

LOL......HAWKMAN's- "arse holes..........." comment

Great match! Keith just beat Rung and Jose coming off a win against Jonno!

Xplosion 5 will run into series 6 , starting this Thursday channel 219 sky every Thursday 930pm , here's the advert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHOviTNi9uQ&feature=youtu.be

Enjoy.

I hate that I chose virgin over sky some times , do you know if it's available to watch on virgin

...Rich R..NOOO!!

Had my 2 days off, back in the gym tonite to prepare.
To say i'm excited is an understatement lol.
I get to fight jose in his hometown and complete a trilogy of the biggest shows in the country supershowdown, main event and now Xplosion.
Not too bad :)

Tickets are now available!!!

www.ticketmaster.com or any fighters on the card!!

great to have kieth on our show!! great fight against Rung!

Any predictions for match ups ??

3-4 more matches o be announced shortly !!

I heard a cheeky rumour Chad Sugden could be fighting on this show........ any news on who he's fighting??

My coaches have asked for me to fight chad on this? Not sure of its been confirmed

Wakeling got big!!!

Who is chad ?

........Thought Chad Sugden was one of them kick boxers?????
this is a Muay Thai show isnt it?

He also fights k1

......."k1"???........last time i looked it up- K1 wasnt the same as MT either!!!!

I'm looking forward to JP v Mike Clarke..... who do we think will take this and in what way ? I'm going for JP either late stoppage or points... he's really come on of late and looking impressive down the gym.......

your views on this please .....

Haha Pom deng funny fucker ain't ya lol

Mike Clarke will walk through jp

Are you going to the show jm1985 ?

I wouldn't mind £100 bet if someone is there on the day on jp. Adam beat mike and jp beat adam, different fight but i would risk £100

I'm there.

if you're there then name your stake....

I like fillet but some times I go sirloin aswell.

i like mikey i dont know JP at all dont think iv seen him fight, go on mark ill have 50quid on mikey not 100 cos iv never seen JP fight..i thought mike clarke was unbeaten??

I take it you dont want the bet jm1985 ? ps get yourself a Dictionary.....

Why do unknown profiles always come on here and cause trouble?
Great line up!! Be good to see Chad on this, now 4-0 I think in K1 with wins over Salah and Joe Roberts.

..........elitekev......

nah- just curious why / how a kickboxer is fighting on a Thai boxing / Muay Thai show..

.........has Chad finally seen the light and dispensed with his Kick boxer Gucci Tony the Tiger print long legged P.J. bottom's and padded feet equipment and come over from the dark side????


Be good to have him and his brother to swell the ranks and boost the quality of young MT fighters even further..... ;)

Sorry just been told, Adam was fighting Mike Clark, but he pulled out and Adam beat a diffrent mike.

But I said it so you still have your bet Liam. But it is pie in the sky for both of us, because I have not seen him fight lol

And as thats prob, enough for a morgage deposit there, I give you a chance, as its only a pint of beer here. lol

I go one better as my big mouth said £100 I will give you 2-1 £100 against your £50, so you can buy the houe outright. lol

Just for any trolls that want to jump on the above !!!

Its a dry, little pop, joke at a nothern freind.
As he knows his fighters and has a good chance of taking my money, as now it appears his man is unbeatern, I thought I would double it, but not without giving him a little dig.

Iknow I didnt have to exspain to you Liam, but you know what the trolls would of wrote back lol

hahahahah you twat i just laughed my head off then, ok deal if i win ill get 2 drinks in with my money and ones yours haha

Hahahaha!!!

Think Clarke is going to get his chin tested for a change V JP D..so fight will be interesting - good luck to the betting punters :-)

Jp isn't really a big puncher is he?

Regis Sugden fought Kane Chamberlain C Class last saturday.

.......Dean
How'd he get on?

my money says he is jm1985.... how much you want on this ?

Current UCMMA UK-1 & XFS UK-1 Champion Peter Irving (Semtex Gym) takes on the Former 2x Ringmasters Champion and current Fusion Fighting Championship UK-1 Champion Ricky Hamilton (Warriors)

SH*T wrong poster!!!!

Current UCMMA UK-1 & XFS UK-1 Champion Peter Irving (Semtex Gym) takes on the Former 2x Ringmasters Champion and current Fusion Fighting Championship UK-1 Champion Ricky Hamilton (Warriors)

Mike Clarke can take a shot ps rai he loves it. Hes fought good lads i previouse fighs 20 and 0 and still not ranked in top 20? WTF

Kev please re type that mate thanks

is iman barlow on this , saw her fight in nottingham last week she was awesome

No she is leaving for Thailand and wont be back for 5 months

Kane beat Regis sugden in pnts Thai rules

Jose is my brother in arms. And i have all the respect for him in the world. But good luck keith who is my brother, who im glad i never got to fight.N who is the one of the nicest blokes out there. Will be a darkhorse fight to steal the show

Lucky bags £100 I'll take that bet ?

ok done jm1985

lets meet when you arrive (I'm commentating so will be easy to find me)

if its ok with you I like to leave all monies with a 3rd party on the night as I have had such bad experiences in the past with people not paying who are AX members...

so put your £100 with an agreed 3rd party before the fight has started and the bet is on.....

Me and old blue eyes team up again x Clarke is hard and unbeaten isn't he but jp has come on loads what a show....turner v Wooton and Wakeling v levin wow!!!! Class x

Chad "2 Slick" Sugden (NMA) v Jake Barton (Elite Southport)

Having just turned 18, Chad, coming from a Full Contact background brings a wealth of fighting experience to Xplosion previously holding the Golden Belt, EFK and 2 IKF Under 18 World Titles. 2 WKA & 1 ISKA British Under 18 title. Gold Medal at IMGC Games in Thailand in 2007 plus Gold Medal at WKA World Championships in 2009.

Making the switch recently to UK-1/Low Kick rules he has a 4n0 record with wins over Ryan Edmunson, Salah, Joe Roberts and Amar Aluka.

Good luck to jake Barton this is a top fight for jake both lads just turned 18 top fight for 2 decsent youngsters,

looking forward to teaming up with you Vinny mate...always a pleasure.... and what a lineup we have in front of us.... wish this was tomorrow night not over a month away !!

That's cool with me

What weight is Chad vs Jake?

Catch weight 73kg

chad should stick to kicks above waist which his good at

Adam Lee Mason (Semtex) v Daniel Terry (Stars Gym)

Hilarious how all kickboxers get slated, especially the ones that are successful in K1 rules like Chad and Tate. Chad's undefeated in K1 and has beaten Salah 'Buakaw' Abdelsalem, so he must be doing something right! Trolls!

Salah is over rated imo

Wakling won the title at 154 and took 2 years off then had one fight at 168 against a guy that fights at 147 for the world title then took 2 more years off and fighting Artem Levin at 175. Ya he's a real man alright mean while Artem Levin defends his title to a guy coming off a 4 year break with a 2-4 record while joe and Simon are fighting for interm titl???

So what your saying muaythai11, Stephen's not a man,cos he hasn't had that many fights in the last 4 years, if the promoters put the money up (which a world class fighter deserves) and they could get someone to fight him, it wouldn't be that long between fights. Its nothing to do with Stephen that Joe or simon are only fighting for interm titles, when they have earned the right, like Stephen has, then they might fight for world titles, until then i'd keep quite if i was you.!! BTW its WAKELING

Please stop the stupid posts.

I think no one doubts that Wakeling and Levin are the two top contenders for this weight. I can't think of another title fight this year to date involving two more deserving fighters. I'm really looking forward to this fight and I think it's definitely the toughest challenge to date for either fighter (aside when Levin had to fight Yod in his prime - that was a huge ask).

Muaythai11,
Just out of intrest as I know very little of Joe or Simon, what titles do they have or what titles have the held? At any weight? Apart from each other have they been up against any big names at all? Feel free to school me..

lol i love giting u uk guys mad and talk shit like the us guys lol it grate im from asia but i go all over to see fights but never seen a blog that talk so mutch shit about the us like this

Simon fight and beat artem vakhitov ang the thai Kaoklai Kaennorsing bothe fight him but wen joe beat him it was Kaoklai Kaennorsing was washed up but wen Simon beat him it was another storie lol joe bigest fight was Kaoklai but he want to step up to fight any one may not be that good Simon he good and wants to fight any one to

..........yeah- yer a proper tease Muaythai11..........but being Asian YOU still ave a tiny pecker every morning you wake of every single day of yer life - no matter what!!!! :)

Never mind him he is used to a small pecker, Its his wife you should feel sorry for, I can only get to her once a week lol.

small pecker wow good one guys lol sounds like Mark Wakeling Pom Deng are gay talking about peckers

I'm sensing a lot UK resentment from muaythai11. You say you live in Asia and you have made your feelings towards the UK perfectly clear.............are you Gary Glitter by any chance??

..........Muaythai11....

Ooooooooo- stop it you Cheeky-boy!!!

somoenes not had their noodles this morning.

not in a gay way, but i have to say a lot of v handsome fighters on the posters. Kieran youre normally at least the 2nd best looking guy in the rooom, are you not worried about being shown up?

I am now the handsome promoter x

Jake fights out of Elite Gym in Southport, coached by former WKA British Champion and Dad Phil Barton, and former WAKO British Champion Andy Brocklebank.

Jake is the Current Goldenbelt British Champion and former Goldenbelt English Champion and brings with him 14 fights 13wins 1loss 6kos

His first big win came as an Amateur at 15yrs old when he knocked out Amateur Commonwealth Champion Rick Callaghan. He holds two victories over joe Roberts the second for his English Golden Belt title. He knocked out WRSA Intercontinental Champion Scott Richards in February. Most recently jake Defended his British Golden Belt title in what was a fantastic war, against Steve Jones.
Jakes is making his UK-1 début and says its a chance to prove that he is versatile and not just a Muay Thai fighter.

Varela V's McLachlan will be a war!!!! Can't wait!!!!!

I'm definitely coming to this show! ;-)

Lyndon knowels (minotaurs) v Erik Lloyd(semtex)86.1kg

This contest will be for the UKMF BRITISH TITLE over 5x3 FTR. Both Fighters have awesome pedigrees and bring a wealth of knowledge and skill to XFS having both featured on previous shows..

Matthew Tiue(Team Tiue)v Azza Dominicus(BKK)57kg

This will also be a BRITISH TITLE contest over 5x3 FTR.

BOTH of these technical fighters have held ENGLISH titles and are now ready to test each other in what is sure to be a WAR!!

Ollie do you need a new photo of Wayne fisher?

Hey Steve,
It's Tieu thanks

What is full line up?

Team tieu given a year or so yet will rip the uk muay Thai scene apart. Mathew vs dean James in the near future would be good,

full line up announced next week which will include a few big names still.......... including a huge female fight....

Huge female fight?
That means either 2 big names or Kierans calling some girls fat???
I have an image of 2 x 50 stone girls fighting for the British Cake..

If I called these two fat i would get my face carved in.

I think that won't be a small list of names then. From memory any girl over 10 in London or the home counties could take you!

Not long now... anymore predictions for this show .... ?

It's gonna be a sell out !!! That's my prediction...

Chad really looking forward to this one :-)

Wakeling to beat Levin, Wooton to beat Turner, Mclachlan to beat Verela, Lloyd to beat Lnowles, Tieu to beat Dominicus,

Write up to follow......

Womens A Class international bout

Amanda Kelly (KO GYM) vs Chantal Ughi (France/USA) 5x3mins

Wicked fight

Chantal Ughi Highlight

what weight is this at i thought chantal ughi was heavier than amanda kelly? ill have 20 quid on amanda kelly if anyone fancies it?

also will have money on luke turner, steve wakeling and mathew tieu if anyone is interested, gutted i wont be at the show as my mate gets married same day but ill give cash to whoever is down with luke turner.

Lovely video ;)

Great fight for Amanda to show her technical abilities.

I see Chantal fought Sheree Halliday, maybe Kelly V's Halliday in the future? That would be a technical fight to watch, just saying as I'd like to see it and don't know if its happened in the past?

Salahs opponents to be named in next two days..........

Are there tickets still available ?

Salah vs Omomgbe (excuse the spelling) would be a stormer

Make it Salah vs David tieu pleas Kieran

It's a fight a lot of people want to see

No one will beat David at the min.

Thats a bold statement jm1985

David has shown great technical skill in his fights so far, but he is yet to be tested at the level Salah has been. Salah has fought some good competition lately, and is very active.

This is true but I'll put money on it ??

Amanda to stop Chantal in third/fourth.

The Salah fight will be massive.. its one I have wanted to see for a while ; )

Well we will have to see if that's the fight that is even being made before we talk about any bets :)

Plus I'm not even saying I think Salah would definitely win, it's a pick'em fight in my opinion - but given Salah's experience I'd say he should be looked at as the favourite if this fight were made.

One I'd defo be up for watching though, let's see if it can be put together

better to save your money up for tickets to supershowdown in scotland

chantal ugly to win if she isnt robbed david tieu much better than salah all team tieu better style than minortours

Paul .Chantal Ughi. Not ugly !

Gotta be the most anticipated show in the uk right now!! well done kk and steve! awesome

As always we always open up our events with Britains youngest stars which will be Evan Jay vs Hansie Holster from Holland - 36kgs 5x2 mins.

If you have Ev starting a show and Stephen finishing a show, with some other fights in the middle.

Then your on to a winner!

Best of luck to Steve and KK, it is going to be a fantastic night. :-)

is there still tickets available for this show cant seem to find them online , cheers

sorry found them :)

Can't wait!!!! What a top show : )

I will confirm Salahs opponent tonight.....

Hope it's good KK :)

Watching that has just got me soooooooo excited for this!!! What a line up!!!!!

Michael Wakeling v Craig Jose in a WMC European and MAD title fight from Xplosion 6.

i thought salah was fighting soloman as they didnt accept the fight against Sam?

Can Stanton still make 67? If so him vs Sam or vs Mcalister at 68

Salah (minotaurs) vs Soloman Wickstead (Franks Gym) 5x3 mins 69kgs max.

Full line up and write up for each bout coming in next few days.

Salahs elbow in that vid is awesome!

Can't wait for this show!

jm1985
Posted: 2012-05-30 10:47:41
Jp isn't really a big puncher is he?


hey mate, watch the highlight video above and you can see that JP can pack a punch ;-) (KO'ing his last opponent with one)

looking forward to this fight so much... JP looking sharper than ever right now and his self belief is quite rightly up there sky high

looking forward to meeting you before the fight jm1985 for out bet to be matched

thanks mate

jm1985
Posted: 2012-05-30 10:47:41
Jp isn't really a big puncher is he?

Following on from 'Lucky Bags', JP punch KO'd his opponent on Xplosion 5 to win the South Area UKMF title too.

paul ward you make some pretty ill informed statements.you recorded what you considered to be some of the worst 'kickboxing' you have seen...and will be bad for the sport!,' Minotours'(sic)style is not good and Chantal Ughi, is 'ugly'?? quite a funny guy...

Looks like our bet is off then James...

Yeah me to. Always a lucky punch looks good on a highlight. Can't wait for this.

A tad disrespectful but everyones entitled to there opinion..... lets see.,...

Sorry not ment to be disrespectfull.

It feels like the run up to Christmas when I was a kid!!!! Lol

This show is going to be Epic !!!!

Solomon wickstead v salah!!!!! salah is on a roll but wickstead is quality who ya got? x

Me and Liam Robinson are matched on this fight already...... Exciting show this for sure......

what do you mean semtex? why dont you have any fighter on the top of YOUR show? i wonder! that should be a good fight i havent seen solomon wickstead before and salah was lucky against brad he was losing before the elbow. Luckybags i will bet with you and Liam Robinson that Luke beats Greg as long as greg doesnt spoil the fight as his style is very awkward and hard to watch

"Don't feed the troll" he will waste away . His negative , hateful, jealousy will come back to him ten fold .

Sorry I don't see how it would work if we had a bet ? you have no profile and I have no idea who you are ?

nobody has ever got lucky by landing an elbow that cut there opponent, they landed a great shot, no luck about it!

I cant bet with anyone North of Sheffield and South of York, too many bad experiences. Thank you, goodnight, much love.

Paul Ward , whats that got to do with your stupid statements?

Get a profile and stop hiding.

World class show x

Anything thrown with intent is not lucky.

Looking forward to this show big fight on a big show for jake Barton

the Wakeling vs Jose fight has to be one of the best domestic fights i ve ever seen?? the work rate in the first round was amazing. Jose 's techniques are lovely to watch. Wakleings kicking off his front leg is great. Actually quite lucky it made it past the first round lol....surely room in there for another match..i coudl watch those two go at it all day!

greg v luke -- epic
steve v artem---amazing.

this show has got some of the best matches ever! dont really post on here, but ive got a hard on looking at the line up! well done to the promoters, i would assume this will sell out 6 times over so i hope everyone gets their tickets early!

Hayleigh Jane Clarkson looks a million bucks

lol Danny quality not quantity with the posts, liking that 1 haha

1 week to go :D

Can't wait for this! So many quality fights!!!!

whos soloman fighting and how much was salah asking for as purse because wanted to get him on a show so looking at costing

Are tickets available on door??

Is salah vs soloman not on now?

Heard Salah wanted paying like floyd mayweather.

Lookin forward to this show sum quality fights on

maybe minotaurs thought that steve and kieran had more money for this show as they dont have to pay for 2 sets of officials this time! ;)

I would never announce how much fighters are getting paid. It's between myself and the fighter. Salah will not fighting on this event as he now is flying to Thailand for another fight. It's a shame but he will be back on xfs soon enough.

Also xfs be announcing news of future dates very soon

Good luck with the show lads, was top last time.

Just watching that fight back made me smile haha i love fighting. Micheals beat me twice on pts now so it probably wont come off again

thanks Hawkman nice to get praise no matter how long you've been around

Good luck to everyone fighting. Artem levin is one of my favorite fighters think he'll be very hard to beat but all the best to the wakelings.

Gutted i cant be there for my good friend Pete irving but im in scotland for a wedding same day. Go get em bud!!

yes colchai, there will be a small reserve on a first come ,first served on the door. Soloman is no longer on the bill, but am sure he will be on future shows as will your boys Liam R(ps iv washed your ROBIN costume and will send it back with the razor thief).

What is the full line up

I will post the full line up later on today.

follow @xplosionfs on twitter for results as they happen on the day as well as info from the weigh in.

Is this being covered for TV or P4? really want to see this show!

Steven Wakeling (Scorpions) vs Artem Levin (Russia) 79.3kgs 5x3 mins

Greg Wootton (KO) vs Luke Turner (Bad Co) 63.5kgs 5x3mins

Jose Varela (KO Bloodline) vs Keith McChalin (Eclipse, Scotland) 5x3mins

Adam-Lee Mason (Semtex) vs Daniel Terry (Stars Gym) 61.5kgs 5x3mins

Amanda Kelly (KO) vs Chantal Ughi (Italy) 63.5kgs 5x3mins

Matthew Tieu (Team Tieu) vs Ming Le (Finland) 58kgs 5x3mins

John-Paul Donoghue (Semtex) vs Mike Clarke (Tobins Gym) 78.5kgs 5x3mins

Peter Irving (Semtex) vs Rickie Hamilton (Warriors) 3x3 XFS title UK-1 76kgs

Jake Barton (Elite) vs Chad Sugden (Newark MA) 3x3mins 73kgs XFS UK-1

Hayleigh Jane Clarkson (Semtex) vs Kelsey Van de Poll (Holland) 54kgs 5x2mins

Evan Jay (Benfleet) vs Burak Ilgin (Belgium) 36kgs 5x2mins (Junior)

Kierren Parker (Semtex) vs TJ Everett (Scotland) 40kgs max 5x2 (Junior)


Plus a few more

my names spelled Keith McLachlan :D

A really great line-up, good luck to all the fighters.

Also Erik Llyod vs Charles Sikwa Rematch 86kgs

Charles was on the Canvas for along time last time they fought and that was not that long ago

good luck to Keith McChalin :P lol

and young TJ as well, didnt notice he was fighting!

Rich, Charles was fine it was a precaution, plus it was the first time ever he had been put down or even taken a count - It was shock more than anything - a good knee to the jaw can do that to a fighter ;-)

It will be a good rematch - last minute replacement but hes fit and strong coming off 3 x stoppage wins last 3 fights and fought only 10 days ago at K-star show stopping Gareth Richards with an elbow cut in the 4th.

Charles and Eric were having a good tear up, so looking forward to the rematch!

(also Lee, any sign of a DVD of 'THAT' fight? ;) x)

Lol Jesse it was a good tear up with charles and erik

ref the dvd - ive spoken with Joe about it and gave him the company details for the dvd, ill try and get Charlie to make a copy, and bring it down to the show as the one i had from them is encrypted.

that would be great mate, see you saturday :)

anyone else betting on this card ?

have bets matched in 5 fights and I would like to bet on Hayleigh.... any takers ?

Am not bettin but my predictions are
Wakeling
Turner
Varela
Mason
Kelly
Tieu
Clarke
Barton
Lloyd
All to win

come on.... must be some of you left that want to bet......

I am not a gambling man . However plenty in the gym who are . Greg to win how much do you wish to wager?

Weigh in time.............

wakeling win

think turner will boss wootton about

mclachlan win

ughi win

Wakeling by elbow stoppage
Wootton on points
Mclachlan win
Kelly win
Tieu win stoppage
JP Donoghue win

Wakeling
Turner
McLachlan
Donaghue
Everett

Everybody weighed in fine....... Even more excited now.....

suprised everyone writing off varela i thought that would be a good clsoe fight?

I agree Liam

email me micky son lets have a wager on it

Good luck Luke Turner + Jake Barton.

Looks a quality show.

if one of the 40kg kids pullout i have a lad

Is there an after party??

Highlight from todays weigh in.

there will be till 1 am in venue!

follow on us twitter xplosionfs for weigh in pics and reports!

Write no one off these are quality matches all the way x

Luke and Greg look like they're related ;-)

Steve looks in great shape! Fight your fight Steve don't be drawn into his fight, you can do this you are stronger, physically and mentally - Pressure, Pressure Chock Dee!

Erik Lloyd (Semtex)

(100's more Weigh in Photos and behind these scenes pics to follow)... Like on FB here.... www.facebook.com/Knockoutpics

Erik Lloyd (Semtex)

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Evan Jay (Benfleet) vs Burak Ilgin (Belgium) 36kgs 5x2mins (Junior)

(100's more Weigh in Photos and behind these scenes pics to follow)... Like on FB here.... www.facebook.com/Knockoutpics

Hayleigh Jane Clarkson (Semtex) vs Kelsey Van de Poll (Holland) 54kgs 5x2mins

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Jake Barton (Elite) vs Chad Sugden (Newark MA) 3x3mins 73kgs XFS UK-1

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Peter Irving (Semtex) vs Rickie Hamilton (Warriors) 3x3 XFS title UK-1 76kgs

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Chad's got a bright future ahead of him in whatever he does, despite what vinny says.

Mark Clarke will destroy Jp no problem.

Never said he hasn't got a future carl so get it right regardless of what you think I will state what I see and I know he's better and will be so when you are ringside reporting you can judge can't ya

John-Paul Donoghue (Semtex) vs Mike Clarke (Tobins Gym) 78.5kgs 5x3mins

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Great show so far but the bloke behind is a cock. He sounds like sloth from the goonies and is giving a running commentary to himself but is a fog horn. Stop drinking - sloth

Thats a bit of bullshit really vinny because you don't call it how you see it. I don't think you even watch the fights, all you go on about is how the fighter is a nice guy and how well you know him trying to big yourself up like a hero.

Any results? Gutted I had to work on but my fighter down there with team

Chad was awesome Colin you mean nothing to me so rabbit on as much as like he was on form and I said so great future without doubts a threat I am now a fan : )

like a hero hahaha whatever Clarke won ko Tieu won tko Chad won stoppage

Carl I ment not Colin mcmilan was a boxer who I didn't watch

All results are on the twitter feed @xplosionfs #xfs

Well done keepurguard up, Jose is tuff

can someone post the results here i aint got twitter.

Wooton won split decision,main event on now:)

Main event was a draw:)

A draw?
Any more details?

How did that foreign judge manage to give that fight to Levin? Why bring someone over to judge who has no idea what they are doing if I was from Scorpions I'd be going mental.

So 1 gave it to each fighter and the 3rd went for a draw??

travesty he won Wakeling clearly

I saw the fight and I'm sorry Liam R wakeling didnt lose the first 3 rounds, but he certainly didn't win any of them. I personally would of scored all the first 3 rounds would of scored it 10-10 for the first 3 rounds, 4th to wakeling and then nothing in. The 5th. Neither fighter deserved the win. It was a draw in my eyes.

Evan Jays loss
Tj Everrit win
Hayleigh Jane Clarkson win
Ricky Hamilton win
Mike Clarke win
Matthew Tieu win
Erik Lloyd win
Amanda Kelly win
Daniek Terry win
McLachlan win
Greg Wooten win
Wakeling/Levin draw
Missed the Bartin vs Sugden bout so don't know the outcome
Some great fights throughout.
The highlight was the Wooten/Turner - fight of the night for me. It was a non stop war of attrition hats off to both lads, excellent spectacle for UK Muay Thai

Was you not there Liam I did go mental, even took the mike and gave a speech.

All we have been taught about judging hand scoring, went out the window.

Even the score cards were wrong and did not add up.

I have the score cards, and the one that confuses me most is this score.

Please Tony and Liam tell me who one on there own score cards.

Round one 10 - 10 no star

Round two 10 * - 10 star for levin


Round three 10 * - 10 star Levin


Round four 9 - 10 Stephen 10


Round five 9 - 10 stephen 10



Now when Ryan added this score he made this judges card a draw that stopped Stephen winning the fight.

Im not intrested in my views or anyones, I just want to know who won the fight on this score card.

My teaching and understanding is the stars don't count, because Stephen won by two rounds, so the stars don't come into play.

Ryan and the ukmf and wmc say I don't know how to add up a score card. I say your wrong and badly need retraining, you just changed the whole scoring system to one I don't know. Please just announce the winner from that score card. Mark

from that scorecard stephen wins by 1 point.
never got to see the fight as i was gettin stitched, so cant comment on it

Watched fight thought no point staying for decision win was clear so left then got a txt saying it was a draw I thought it was a windup, has the judge shipped in got to levin by a big margin then? I saw steven kneeing the back, nice kicks and evading 90% of the punches, the ones that landed were to the body. Why do u need officials to add up cards and oversee this and check that bloody hell surely a judge can deduct from 50 an amount of lost rounds if any? Can we get a minimum B at A level mathematics for judges?

Best fight I have seen between 2 uk fighters Greg is stronger than he looks how in gods name did Luke take that huge elbow in 4 quality fighters x

Well making that score card a draw, made the fight a draw, and is what stopped Stephen getting the win.

But I passed a judges and ref course in Thailand, and was told the stars only come into play if every round was 10 - 10 and one fighter had 1 or 2 * the stars come into play and make the fighter with the stars win.

But now under ukmf and wmc 2 stars in early rounds count the same as winning rounds four and five. And make 25 years of experience add up to nothing.

Or am I right. If I have added the score cards up wrong, please tell me Tony and Liam, then if I'm wrong I can apologise to Ryan Rudkin for telling him that he is a no nothing prick. But if I'm right, and thats the standard of the head officials in the ukmf we really need to abandon the ukmf and get a knew org that is not corrupt and try to convince all of us that a carrot is a spud.

Im sorry but I will call a carrot, a carrot, and a spud a spud, and I will stand up in there faces and tell them, truth is truth, all of us no what this small group of people are doing to our sport, we have the people, the money from our memberships, put them in the right hands, watch how much benefit we will get, then lining the pockets of these sharks.

Mark

Great night. I thought Stephen won as did most there.

Greg vs Luke was awesome, best domestic fight ive seen for some time.

Zeb, your a judge and ref - do me a favour and just add up that score card and tell me what it adds up to.

we all have our own oppinuion, but I will except the judges score card, that caused the fight to be a draw. we were not paid judges, so lets work of there own score cards, becaue when I pointed out they added it up wrong, they said no they have not, I have added up wrong. please just tell me what that score card says.
Thank you
Mark

Greg Vs Luke was an cracking fight. One of the best domestic fights I've seen. Luke gave Greg a nasty cut early in the fight but his corner did a great job between rounds. Greg really does look SO strong and technical. In my opinion this fight was worth the ticket money alone but the show was full of cracking fights.
Daniel Terry really impressed me and I'm not sure how the main event was a draw.

Most probably wont admit this on a public forum because their afraid to do so...but i,ll put my neck out! Steven did win based on points he scored which wasnt hard because all Artem did was punch and hardly threw high scoring shots, but he was in a different league to Stephen who seemed spooked and Wasnt fighting like he usually does. I think if Artem actually fought rather than show bouting he would have won, and trust me i love the wakelings, but just giving my opinion from what i saw. Andy Howson did some great cornering work for Mike Clarke and Charles Sikwa, Daniel Terry was a very smooth operator, luke v gregg was worth the trip!

Great Show Semtex. Wakeling won for sure.

I have to agree with Skud. Stephen took the fight, in my opinion, based on a muaythai scoring criteria. But, he didn't look like the stronger fighter. Overall (again, in my opinion) the fight was a bit of a disappointment. Luke and Greg definitely stole the show.

If this is the state of UKMF judging, then something is seriously wrong in our sport. I along with 99% of the audience thought Steven won, punching someone in the stomach for 5 rounds hardly adds up to a draw!! Mark was right when he took the mike. hearing that Levin is fighting in the USA for a world title soon, makes you realise this was a stitch up as how could a world champion lose to a super middle weight (Steven).
But what was the biggest suprise, was how Levin got away with wearing hard shin pads under his aglets, surly a point deduction or kicked out for cheating.

Sawatdee Khrup,
I wasn't at the show so didn't see any of the fights. Regarding the Wakeling v Levin fight I cannot comment until I have seen the footage. Looking at the score cards above then the score adds up to 50 Wakeling 48 Levin. The stars are not clear wins in those rounds but indicate that the judge thought even though there was not a clear win, that Levin possibly dominated the rounds more. So in a scenario lets say where the last two were a draw it is likely that Levin would have edged the fight due to the stars. However, looking at the score cards Steve won by 2 clear rounds and finished the fight the strongest as these were the last two rounds therefore indicating a win to Steve Wakeling. However that is my opinion just based on the above score cards I don't k ow the reasoning behind the decision. Simply put though, if these were the score cards handed in and the chief judge added them up then on the points collected Steve wins.
SHAUN

why was there a foriegn judge brought in? was that part of Levin's terms? where was the judge from

If you missed chad fight u missed a great fight with 2 slick looking every bit the hot prospect against a very capable and strong opponent in jake Barton. I know he is only 18 but if you weren't in the arena when he fought you missed a clinical destruction with strong hands.

Just wanted to thank everyone for there support (its a long way from newark lol) and positive comments to both me and chad.

As fighters and trainers that's what we want to hear but of course winning is the priority but doing it in style is what we always want to do. Thank you jake for bringing it to chad and Phil and ur team for being very sporting and great to meet.

VInny pleased you are a fan now and saw chad in good form, can't wait to hear commentary :-)

Thanks to promoters Kieran & Steve for the opportunity still buzzing!!!

Proud dad & coach

Gutted I missed this show, had to work later than expected. Show started on time and with parts of M4 shut wouldn't have made it in time to be there with my fighter.
Thanks to Matt who helps whenever he can.
BIG thank you to Andy Howson who jumped in and cornered Charlie. Awesome.
That's why I love Muay Thai - one great big friendly family.

Thanks to Keiron and Steve for having us down again and looking after the guys in my absence. Appreciate it ;-)

I couldn't be there last night but big congratulations to Amanda and Greg from KO.

I can't wait to watch the fights it sounds like I've missed one of the best ever. There must have been a fair bit of money changing hands over that one.

Mark, you dont need to have an A level in maths to add that card up! I didnt look at the cards as thats not my job, but if that card was scored like that, then like Shaun has said, it would be 50-48 to Steve.
In my opinion, Levin was landing body punches which were not having a huge effect, but Steve was countering with good body kicks and teeps.

Steve Rowland, I missed the padding in the anklets and that was my mistake, but the second I saw them, I removed them. To be fair, theyre there more to protect his instep, rather than to inflict damage to the opponent. That was why I didnt deduct a point.

Also congratulations to Bill "Awkward" Judd for another great night for KO fighters. ;-)

What a fantastic night of British Muay Thai, a massive congratulations to Steve and Kieron.

I was the senior official for this event and what a rocky road the last week has been.

To clear up a few points:

I did not judge last night, that score card is not mine, neither did i add them up.

Simply - one red/ one blue/ one draw - its a draw!

The fight was original a WMC world title fight, and for one reason or another that began to change from Monday onwards.

By Friday it was nothing more than two great fighters going to war for the Love of it.

This then made the event a sole ukmf sanctioned event. We decided that as The international judges had already been booked for the main event, we could save the promoter some money by using them for the whole event

If We had not done this the promoter would of had to pay for the international officials and our domestic officials as well.

Non of the judges had a vested interest in either fighter, and the result of the fight was as they saw it.

I personally would like to see a rematch between these two great fighters for a title worthy of them both.

Yours in Muay Thai

Ryan Rudkin

Thank you Shaun, and Zeb, for being men and brave enough, to tell me a carrot is not a spud.

With this fight the ukmf and wmc, and levins manarger, pulled so many stunts the last 6 days leading up to the fight, that was outrageous.

I will be reveiling all, with emails, and giving a full statement.

The first time I put shorts on, and entered a Muay Thai ring, I was still in pain 3 months later, and if the right people stood infront of me and called a carrot a spud, I would agree with them.

When I got over my fear, and enterd the ring for the secound time, 24 years ago,I changed and will never call a carrot a spud again.

If any Muay Thai person asked me to add that score card, I would answer the result in bold.

once more this is the card that cost Stephen the win.

Levin round 1. 10 wakeling 10

Levin 2. 10* Wakeling 10

Levin 3. 10* Wakeling 10

Levin 4. 9 Wakeling 10

Levin 5. 9 Wakeling 10

THE RESULT DRAW

When, I politly pointed out to the judge and Ryan Rudkin the cheif judge, they have added this card wrong. Ryan tried to tell me that a carrot is a spud, and thats why he is so important in Muay Thai, because he is the only one that can add up, and under Muay Thai scporing, that card adds up to a draw. The head offical of the UKMF in the south.

I am a qualified judge and ref.

SO Ryan one judge gives it to levin. one judge gives it Wakeling
the third judges card is the one above. HOW DO YOU MAKE THE ABOVE CARD A DRAW ? ANYWAY YOU ADD IT UP.

COME ON EXSPLAIN TO US HOW YOU MAKE A CARROT A SPUD ?

Oh well seems there are not many that can read a score card. Thats why people like Ryan can add up how he wants.

Some drink at the fountain of knollage, some just gargle. Maybe I did not make it easey, so I will add the deciding card for you.

Levin 48 plus two stars round 2 and three

Wakeling 50 no stars

This is a hard one the heat is on, its the deciding card, erm,
how many points do two stars add to ?

so winning round 4 and 5 both 10 - 9 in Ryans book gets cancelled out by levins stars in round 2 and three.

And these are the people we give blood, sweat, tears and money to. Ryan is even comming on the net and still saying that adds up to a draw.For shaw he gargles and has never drunk from the fountain of knollage, and is a complete spud. I even tried to teach him for free how to add a score card.

But its true, you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink it. Or not when your clueless like Ryan Rudkin anyway.

How can the UKMF not even make sure there reps can count from 1 to 50, or does it not matter, If you make it up to them by being a good puppet, and i know who has there arm up your arse, playing you Ryan. But do you know how stupid they are making you look adding that score card up as a draw. But then again your a poor excuse for a man, and you just proved you never will be one.

Man up add the above deciding card, and admit you messed up and added up wrong, and get a little self respect back.

How's that a draw????

Stars are not points.

I was under the impression the star suggested a slight advantage in the round but if the point is not actually given by the judge then the star is irrelevant. You only add up the actual points awarded.... Well that's what I thought!!

Rnds 4/5 would win the fight if the fight went to the wire then the earlier rounds would come in to play say for instance they finished the later rnds neck and neck then the judge would look back to see who was the stronger fight all the way through the fight and then change the score cards last round in favour of the stronger of the two fighters, but I wasn't there so can't really judge the fight for you until I've watched it ;-)

Ryan Rudkin

Lets forget you were at the show or had any involvement in it at all,

And if you saw that score card, from a fight, like the above who would be in your opinion the winner,

considering the other two judges gave it one a piece

10 - 10

10 - 10

10 - 10

9 - 10 wakeling

9 - 10 wakeling


levin 48 - 50 wakeling

Is there any other way to score that, and bearing in mind neither was a defending champ so that arguement is out the window.


Yours in MuayThai
The celt :)

Thank you, for posting, beaty we all have our opinions but for the good of Muay Thai I just take the judges decissions, my prob, is the score cards from the judges gave Steve the fight, the deciding score card was 48 levin 50 wakeling which they added up as a draw. when that last score card gave steve the win

Levin 48 plus a star in round 2 and 3

steve 50 no stars.

How can Ryan or anyone say that 48 plus two stars adds up to 50

And Steve got the 10 - 9
10 - 9

ronds 4 and 5

first three rounds 10 - 10

every one must make it clear, thats just plain cheating !!!
If they get away with this whats next ?

Thank you Steve and KK. Another great show .

Amanda once again early stoppage (50sec rd 1)
Against Wmpf world champ ( who inserdently went the distant with Miram and Julie ) clinical destruction , who next ? .

Greg and Luke's fight lived up to all expectations ,a real cracker . Greg got cut early but moved up the gears in the last three rounds . Greg and luke have the up most respect for each other and both are a credit to UK Muay Thai .
.
A big thank you to Dave for his amazing work in the corner . Your
a star .

Jose (bloodline ) as alway gave everything a true warrior.

Hi all great show,
for me Wakeling wins the fight but though both fighters had more to offer. Fight of the night Greg Woolton V Luke Turner Both Quality.

In reply to Dean, i feel we brought the best out of Young chad he clearly brought more to the table in this fight than any previous fight Iv'e seen. As you mentioned Dean, Jake is only just 18 but has a lot to offer our sport. We'll take the glass home half full and come back stronger next time.

Thanks for having us Kieron & Steve, hope you'll have us back on next one.

Phil

It dosnt make sence tbh the head judge can only read the scores not assume unless he thinks the judges are wrong then he can overturn the decision like trainer vs Juk on the first reebok show, the senior head overturned the decision but obviously you would know if that was the case, I'm totally baffled if 2 judges have it too Wakeling then that would be the outcome I think your best bet would be to speak to Paul Hamilton if you feel you havnt had a informative enough explanation off Ryan.

Really got to feel sorry for the Wakelings, an obvious robbery that should be dealt with. I too left before the decision was announced knowing that Wakeling should easily of taken the decision. There wasn't much to tell the two fighters apart to start with however Wakeling began scoring more and more as the fight went on. Round 1 even, 2 edge to Wakeling, 3 edge to Wakeling, 4 Wakeling, 5 Wakeling. Levin didn't win a round. Impossible for Levin to have beat Wakeling when his punches were getting countered with strong body kicks and he was getting out scored in the clinch. Wakeling should of won by atleast 2 rounds maybe even 3 which I believe is how one of the judges correctly scored the fight. As for the scorecard you have posted above Mark that is ridiculous and 100% corrupt. Firstly, Levin never edged the 2nd and 3rd. And stars do not count as a 10-9 round. Stars are just a note made by the judge that reminds them that one fighter slightly edged a round over their opponent. The judge can then go back to this in the 5th round if the fight has been close throughout and can help them make a decision as to who was the stronger fighter using higher scoring techniques. There's no doubt that Wakeling won the fight!

wasnt a close fight ..wakeling won. i am not saying anymore..

beaty I think 2 judges had it a draw and its the 3rd judges scores that Mark has posted above,he/she had it 2 rounds 10/9 to Steve Wakeling with 3 rounds drawn,that would give it 50-48 to Steve Wakeling in my book to:)

no. me to wakeling, one to levin the other a draw..

Seems like a joke that another judge gave Leven the win, as well as the "draw". Something fishy..

I thought levin was looked more imposing and had Stephen on the back foot early on but when Stephen started to find his range and upped his work rate he out scored him , not a pretty fight but to fight against some one who was naturally bigger and stronger who is also world class was a great effort

I was referee for the Trainor v Ruk fight and the UKMF checked the score cards after it was announced that Ruk had won & the result was officially questioned. The UKMF over- ruled the decision in favour of Trainor due to an error in scoring from the chief judge.
If the scoring is as depicted on here then it is worthwhile having it independently looked at by the UKMF and therefore a decision can be made as to whether or not the scoring was correct (if the above scoring is to go by then it clearly was not) and if it is incorrect then the decision can be overturned.
Again as I was not there, haven't seen the fight I can only offer my opinion regarding the above information.
SHAUN

I would go off Chris's score card he knows what he's doing, top judge

When two people play chess for fun, you can score check mate in three moves.

when two chess masters play, it can take days, to win a game, and to alot be really boreing.

Muay Thai is like that. Except in Muay Thai you make a mistake at that lvl it can be a life changing shot.

Levin is one of the most danerous fighters in the world. He can spoil anyones game, and normally schools everyone he fights.

Stephen Stepped up another weight, after not getting any fights at supper middle weight, to fight the best light heavy weight fighter in the world.

He stood infront of him for the whole fight and took every thing he had to give him, and beat the best light heavy weight fighter in the world, and done me his club and his country proud.

You cant ask more from a fighter, that unlike levin has a full time job, and a daughter to look after.

If that was England winning the world cup in a slow game, we would be celebrating the win.

And thats what im doing now, they robbed us of the world tittles four days before the fight, even though levin agreed to come and fight for a world tittle, even two days before threatened to leave the country with out fighting if a world tittle was put up.

And they laughed about it at the weigh in, to mess our heads up.

It worked with me, but Stephen kept his head and sent the best light heavy weight world champion back home a losser.

But for ukmf to back him and add 48 plus two stars to 50 a draw is criminal.

The score card that changed the dession is above, what ever way you read it, its a win to Stephen.

How can more people not come on here and ask ryan how that score card adds up to a draw ?

Next time it could be you,or your fighter that the ukmf do this to.

Please dont wait for this to happen, I cant exspain how bad it feels.

Show the ukmf and british muay thai, that we are not a bunch of sheep, and however you dress 48 and two stars in early rounds against 50 dont make a draw.

Enough is enough, dont judge the fight, dont get involved in a argument, just all of you read that score card, and for Stephen say what it adds up to please.
Mark

Thanks Chris:)

* apologies - easier post I said 'Ruk' was a typo, should have been 'Juk'
My bad!

50-48 - next time It could be you... Been there

I have never judged but i have attended the course run by Tony.
It is my understanding that the stars do not count towards the score but are a reminder the judge that a fighter was slightly stronger in the round but not enough to score a full point difference. The star is like keeping notes and will be taken into consideration when scoring the later rounds. The star should not be counted in the addition of a fighters score as the judge should have factored it in before the end of the fight.

I am posting this as i would like to know if my understanding is wrong? please can Tony or another qualified Judge let me know ?

Levin round 1. 10 wakeling 10

Levin 2. 10* Wakeling 10

Levin 3. 10* Wakeling 10

Levin 4. 9 Wakeling 10

Levin 5. 9 Wakeling 10

=

Levin 48 Wakeling 50

I have never judged a fight myself, although been around Muay Thai for approx. 18yrs now.

Didn't see the fight, so again can't comment on that, but if what Mark has posted up is an officially marked card, then poor Stephen has been robbed.

I would definitely heed Shaun Bolands advice, Mark, and request the UKMF look into this. As you say, it could be all the difference to a career in MT. Best of luck, Mark (and of course, Stephen).

Hey lads this is not the first bad decision you've seen in thaiboxing live with it and move on. We've all had bad decisions i've even had the judges cards go missing when asked to see them. I lost a good A class fighter through bad judging or was it just pour cheating !! call it what you want. I felt for Mark last night when he had his rant. I wish I could of got hold of the microphone on a couple of occasions.

50-48 simple math!
The stars are a reminder only.

Ask for an enquiry, please dont blame the whole UKMF.
Mistakes happen, sometimes poor decisions are made in error, when under stress. Sometimes egos get in the way of judgement.

We have seen it on here and in general many times. I understand how you feel Mark and Steven.

An official enquiry is allowed, it should be done and as you are UKMF members your entitled to ask the board for an enquiry into the whole series of events.

I am sure the UKMF would welcome a call for an enquiry. I know you are upset, call Paul on Monday and I am sure It can be discussed properly in the correct manner away from this forum.

I can only guess that's why the UKMF have not posted yet in reply - there is an official route to go down.

I am on the board of UKMF but have not discussed this issue as yet with any of the other board members.
Do it the right way and you'll get an official answer, no consolation at this time when you are upset but there is some hope of an official answer.

Call me if you want Mark, I will mediate/liaise with the board if needed

Ive been on the end of bad decisions before its shit, but if the score cards say he won he should def win, thats even more frustrating. Someone cant add up.

Sounds like a great show tho looking forward to the dvd

Thank you all that have added the score card and put the honest answer up.

Welsh eagle thank you thats really good of you.

I did try nicely to try and show the judges and reps, that they added the score cards up wrong, and ryan jumped in said the above score is a draw under ukmf, and said he was in charge, and thats end of, and even stoped anyone else having a say. Ryan just had to add up the scores tell the truth and call the fighters back to the ring.

When he refussed and said the above score card was a draw under ukmf, thats when i lost it.

I have been contacted by the UKMF and they have asked for the score cards, and seemed gen concerned, that this happened.

So I will not say nomore and give the UKMF time to look at the score cards, and hopfully confident that we sort out the carrots and spuds.

Thank you again everyone that posted, you have helped keep us sane while we wait.
Mark

Well it looks like some people have lost some money yesterday lol !!

Top event, fights were all brilliant.

To speak about something not been mentioned before (i think), Terry vs Mason has been such a sharp fight too! Too bad it's been "cut" short ;)

Amanda Kelly over the top.

Greg vs Luke, no need to mention. such a great show of skill, composure, technique and mutual respect!

Thanks for organizing all this!

I am honestly still buzzing from this show and I lost money overall.....

i didnt realise there was a steve jones from john steeles gym lol i thought jake had beaten steve jones from Frankies

Haha Liam there is about 4 different Steve jones in Thai boxing lol

Top show, with some top fights
An amazing performance by tj everett, who continues to impress me with every fight. An awesome prospect doesn't begin to describe him

Thanks to liam r for helping with my corner both him and Jamie did a gr8 job
Cheers kieran and Steve for letting us fight on your show.

Everett is one of the best kids ever ever seen in uk

Seen him before too, absolutely quality!

turner v wooton fite on this channel and the daniel terry v adam lee mason one

http://www.youtube.com/user/Missbluediamondax?feature=watch

Rudkin, cut out the 'yours in Muay Thai' nonsense please. Its sooo cringeworthy and quite frankly pretty fickle coming from someone who was in a position to score and award a fight fairly.

Any fighter that goes and fights outside UK is aware that the judging can/will be biased a majority of the time and often have to accept that as long as the fighter and the corner team know truthfully whether they deserved the win or not....but to have to contend an unfair decision on home soil!?!?

Makes me sick that hoenst people who want to train and fight are lining your filthy pockets!

Steve semtex

Didn make it over from Ireland but would have loved to, did that wee lad "spencer" i think that was at the 4 nations fight?

Hes some operator :)


paddy

The UKMF do not hold a account with this forum , therefore I have been asked to post the following Statement .

Re Levin v Wakeling ( main event contest )

An official appeal to the Ukmf has been received.

An enquiry has commenced. The findings will be announced in due course.

Regards
Paul Hamilton
UKMF President

enquiry has commenced. The findings will be announced in due course

who wrote that?

yours in muaythai................


:)

who does it say wrote it liam u fucking div, theres always a sly comment from you on here. Sly people always come unstuck, you wouldnt last a week living in newcastle

Great show, been to all 3 and i think this was the best. Worth noting it passed the ultimate test in that i brought my girlfriend to her first thai boxing show and she enjoyed all the fights, no easy feat...

Unlucky to the Wakelings, Steve was class, no need to say anymore on that.
All fighters put on a good show but a few notable performances - Daniel Terry, shows great promise. Amanda kelly and Mathew Tieu both looked like they were just getting going and looked very sharp. Undoubtedly fight of the night was Greg and Luke. For the first round and a half Luke was looking very dangerous but Greg was able to get composed then do his thing and i thought showed what a class fighter he is. My loyalties lie with KO gym but i think both fighters and both gyms deserve equal praise showing great professionalism and for putting on a fight that didn't disappoint. Also would like to to congratulate Charles Sikwa for his performance, i witnessed his last knock out and was aware of being his underdog status for the fight. Although he lost and Eric deserved the win he showed great heart.

I have tried to do it the proper way. Because the score cards were added up wrong in the trainner v rung fight. UKMF overturned the decision in minutes. All board members have had the score cards since 1 o'clock. It takes two seconds to add up, every board member now knows Ryan lied on ax and refused to act, and abused his head official persistion acting under ukmf or wmc. Now Stephen has waited long enough for them to add up the score cards and just tell the public what they say.

For the corrupt announcing and cheating thats a separate issue. And they can deal with that in the coming weeks.

I have twenty years of files on the goings on from Muay Thai. The corruption, the pay offs and the money for belt goings on.

Enough is enough, the files are being put into a website, so sue me if info is wrong.

Also all files and links to website are going to sport england. Pull the whole fucking bent core down, its to dirty and corrupt.

Bring in knew and start again with new orgs thailand and here. yes put us back five years but start again clean, now people will hate me, but in fiffteen years you will all love me.
Mark

Kru Ryan is as bent as they come. Any one who has a grading syllabus where you need to pay nearly 500 pound for the title of kru is bent.

I totally agree with Mark, how long does it take to count up a score card !!!! i say again, is it because Levin (WMC) is fighting for a world title in the great old US of A and can't be seem as losing (to a midle weight) Steven!!! As for the hidden pads, says it all really, "CHEAT"

Great show, well run with some excellent fights. Thanks to Kieren for having us down and well done on putting it all together.

Well done to Greg on a great performance and a well deserved win. Both guys fought their hearts out but even after being cut he never stopped coming and showed great heart, determination and skill.

I'm proud of Luke who showed his class and was in it all the way to the end but Greg was the stronger fighter on the night.

Just watched the Luke vs Greg fight. Why didn't Luke throw any right mid kicks to the southpaw? Did he have an injury or something?

First time I've seen Greg fight. Very awkward rhythm to watch but it works to his favour.

Liam Robinson v Craig jose
I would like to see that fight,

Just been told, Ryan Rudkin was head official, with full power and in charge of all judges.

As a bit of corruption went on in the last five days, We will come back to this one, with emails and figures, for the W.M.C world tittle to be pulled. The wmc had no power at that show, it was soley the responsibilty of the UKMF. As the only UKMF judge was chris, Ryan had a responsibility to make him chief judge, and all score cards should of been given to him. He then should of added up the scores and anounced the winner.

I watched Ryan take control at the end, and made the cards go to a wmc judge, that seemed to have a big prob, counting to 50.

When I asked to see the cards, I was told to wait, not so likely ! I insisted, very strongly, in fact there was not a choice, with me Ryan and wmc judge looking down at the cards, I said one judge to artin, one to steve, then the third, was 48 to levin 50 to steve, I said r u blind, read that card again, Ryan said as the head of UKMF AT THIS SHOW the card reads a draw under UKMF and i will not over turn it.

Ryan has then come on here and again the corrupt spud head has lied to the whole Muay Thai community, and told you the cards read a draw.

Tomorrow Ryan Rudkin will be the first one exsposed as the corrupt fool that he is.

He knows after seeing his lies, I took from them the signed offical score cards, and would only let them make coppies. Ofcourse the last thing they wanted was me to have the prof. But noone was going to take them of me.

They will be scaned and put up tomorrow.

I really wonder how his pr will get him out of that one. Mark

its a fiasco that - if indeed it did happen - this could have happened at such a high level event, between two of the top fighters in the sport...

Dam right Hawkman !!!! does Ryan Rudkin think he is bigger then the sport. Wrong lvl to be doing that to.

wait until you see the score cards he made a draw, the mans a complete joke.

Ive got them scaned into a email but cant get them up. can some one help ?

save them as a jpeg or bmp image and then attach them

Geordie...no disrespect but anyone associated with Hamilton will stick up for him. I dont think Liam R is being sly, i think it is sheer frustration, shared by the majority, at the management of the body and subsequently this situation.

I wasnt sticking up for paul i was just sick of reading liams shit posts, i dont see how his comment was any relevance to the thread it was just making matters worse, hes always got sly comments to most threads, i dont normally post but he just pissed me off, end of.

I agree the steven levin fiasco needs sorting and is obviously wrong but to blame the UKMF as a whole when it is 1 mans fault seems stupid to say the least.

Firstly let me state i am independant in this debate. I resigned from the UKMF and have nothing to do with the politics of this sport ever since. And i have a sneaky suspicion im not on Ryans christmas card list. But i was asked my thoughts.

In an attempt to pour oil onto troubled water. The score card of the Swedish judge clearly favours Levin for the win. Chris's card favours Steve for the win. The third judge has presented a score card that whilst mathematically adds up in favour of Steve but he has not totalled his scores and simply written draw in bold where the totals might expect to be totted up.

As it stands the disapointment Mark is venting is understandable but possibly misdirected. The UKMF judge scored Steve the winner. And until the third judge can clarify his position its maybe best to keep your powder dry.

I do accept that personalities may have clashed making the situation more sensitive. But i am confident this will get sorted. If there has been any wrong doing on the part of any officials Im sure they will do the right thing. But as of now wheels are turning

The biggest shock to me is the Swedish judges card. If I remember rightly he scored it 49-46 to Levin. I'd ask anyone to watch the fight and come up with that result? Really strange and clearly not the best judge to score a win based on the fact fact that Levin always looking imposing but didn't ever tally scores when Wakeling would counter straight punches to his body with kicks to Levin's body then surely the score has to count in Wakelings favour no? You can't win a fight on the basis that you looked like you might be dangerous compared to scoring correctly, that's daft. So even if the third judge did score a draw then the deciding vote should have gone to the head judge no? The third judge was Craig O'Flynn who I have the upmost respect for and his achievements speak for themselves. If he saw it as a draw then that's how he saw it but the whole situation seem strange to me. If there's a draw overall (even taking into account this blind swede) then I was under the impression that the head judge can have the final say. I'm not trying to piss anyone off and really don't care for the politics in this sport but this was unfair imo. In order to build the sport I love in this country we all need to be working together but it seems that's not the case and it's a real shame. I feel for Wakeling as if that were me I'd have felt I'd done what needed to be done to win and that's how I've been taught too. To win a fight you need a combination of things but surely to outscore, whether coming forward or on the back foot, that's how you aim to win! In my view Wakeling clearly scored better than Levin and surely deserves the win.

Have to say the biggest fight of this show for me was Wooton V's Turner and these lads are a credit to our sport. Both showed true respect and superb skills and this is the kind of thing we should promote. Both guys are gents in and out of the ring and huge credit is due for that awesome performance! Already I wanna see them do it again!!!! Lol..

Daniel Terry showed superb footwork and used his range well against a tough Adam Lee Mason. What a great match up and I can see Terry being trouble for anyone at that weight with his speed and movement proving awkward for Mason to close down. Lovely elbow work too!

Amanda Kelly was a class act and I definitey think it's time her and Julie share the ring. I don't know why they didn't before but guessing it was politics of some kind so I'm not interested but I think she deserves the shot and what a great fight it would be. When Amanda puts her fight face on I can't help but feel a little scared myself!

TJ Everett is something special and the little buggers already tallied up 30 odd fights! This lad will go far!

Really happy for Eric Lloyd who is a deserved champion.

Mathew Tieu is absolute class but we all know that, who's next for him?

Keith and Jose was a great fight and the pitbull is hard as nails taking some of those long knees and still standing! Keith showed great composure and stuck to his game plan which bagged him the win. Not sure anyone had a clue what you said in the post fight interview though mate! Hahaha..

Can't talk about everyone but standard was great and best to date! Well done to Kieran and Steve on another massive show! How can you beat that next time? I genuinely don't know!!

Wow !! Dave are you Ryans pr man ?

I am trying to get the score card up, will get web man to do it latter.

This is the score card your talking about.

Artin Levin Steve Wakeling

10 10

10* 10

10* 10

9 10

9 10



DRAW

Can you confere dave this was the deciding score card from craig that I have misread.

If you think I have misread you should go to spec savers.

I dont want to bring others in, but now you confuse me. Tony please come on, and tell the world what this score card reads. Mark

Is there any Muay Thai judge out there, that thinks this judges card adds up to a draw, so far we have Ryan Rudkin and Dave Croft.

And they have the neck to come on the world web and say, I cant read a score card, come on people of Muay Thai, you have it in black and white, teach these people they cant cheat world champions like this.

This is why you cant talk to them, they will even put a carrot under your nose and make you call it a spud. Its got to stop, before we can go forward. Mark

mark i do not like a lot of Ryans methods and im sure he doesnt like me. I wrote clearly and stated that he obviously got your back up. i also stated that the third judges card added up to a win for steve but had the word Draw written upon it..

i was supporting your cause for a clearer understanding of the situation.

So please keep me out of the debate. I had thought to try and be impartial but got attacked for my trouble.

Im out

Mark, the scores posted above do add up to 48:50. Stars if used do not equate to points but as has been said in previous posts, are used to suggest a boxer has edged a round, but not enough to award a point.

Mark,this is mental. Everybody gets decisions against them from time to time but this is just not acceptable. The only thing I would say about that scorecard is that it is a little unusual that a judge would give two consecutive rounds with a star. If I thought that Levin edged both the 2nd and 3rd rounds then I would give him a 10-9 for the third. However that doesn't change anything because it still means that Steven would have won 49-48.

I wasn't there and I have no idea how the fight went but someone needs to properly explain how that scorecard could have possibly been interpreted in any way other than Steve winning.

Hope it gets sorted mate but I would also give the UKMF a little bit of time to talk to all the people involved.

Dave Mc. is absolutely correct, it is usual to give a point when a boxer has edged two rounds (indicated by stars).

I have seen the cards. one judge for levin one for steve and one with the word DRAW written upon it.

Your beef is should be why that judge wrote Draw despite writing something contrary in the scores section of the card.

Hopefully theyl put subtitles in the dvd haha
You interviewed me and u understood me and thts all that mattered to.me lol

That's what confused me as I saw this score card and as far as I've always known you only bring the stars in if the bout is tight and the fact that the big money rounds 4 and 5 are both 10-9 to Wakeling I thought that's clear cut. Has Tony Myers commented on this or is that what you're asking Mark?

Ps. I take it you were taking to Dave Croft not me? I'm a neutral lover of muaythai ;)

He kicked kicked and kicked he won it simple as this type of crap is ruining the sport here trust we will lose superstars like Wakeling etc sort it and give him his deserved win!

Right then. I need to clarify my personal views. The score cards identify Steven as the winner.

Any confusion lies with Craig having written draw on his card rather than the totals. My calling for calm whilst Craig is contacted did little to dilute Marks passion and I foolishly undervalued the importance Mark put on this fight. And caught flak for it.

Rather than get embroiled in an internet dabate I called Mark directly. It is evident Mark is passionate about doing right by Steven. And to be clear I can easily get behind that.

I did however; underestimate the depth of passion and the underlying reasoning behind Marks mission. Therefore; I respectfully wthdraw from the debate declaring i hope the right decision is arrived at and soon both for Stevens feelings and fight record

geordie
Posted: 2012-07-09 14:03:20

Hello Craig,

Sorry I did not have time to read this until now as I only really venture online during office hours; I cannot possibly allocate any time from my social life to playing on ax, hence the delayed response.

I am not sure what the slang 'div' is used for up north but here it means stupid; obviously everyone is entitled to an opinion on an open user message board but I think that is inaccurate.
I actually went out in Newcastle for a couple of nights on a stag do last month, I realise this was only 72 hours so not a full calendar week however, since you live there I would be foolish not to take your word for it as I do not know the area.
That being said, Newcastle is hardly the hub of UK Information Technology and we do not have any data vaults in that part of the country due to the lack of ISO 27001:2005 standard Peer 1 centers in the surrounding areas.
I also do not intend spending any annual leave there as a summer holiday of sorts due to the weather so I think we can rule that one out.

I was a little perplexed by the post because the UKMF has an account on ax that various infamous posts came from. I believe that the owner of the username and password may have now left the UKMF but I am sure can pass the account details on to some current members of the body.
I believe you can also use this link http://message.axkickboxing.com/?action=forgotpwd to retrieve a lost password, if they require any assistance with this I would be more than happy to help.

Ryan Meehan I don’t think Craig fights at 66kg and I have no plans of competing this year my diary is completely blocked out for the next 9 months minimum.

Good luck representing England in your coming bout in Leicester on the Thai Fight promotion.

Thank you everyone, each one of you respected Muay Thai people come on here and speak the truth, Makes Steve get a little smile, through the bitter hurt he feels right now.

After what Ryan said at the show, Steve said he is never fighting again ! I hope after he reads all you good peoples truths he will change his mind. It will be a great loss to uk Muay Thai.

And Dave Croft, sorry I thought you were saying after Craig explains his card it would be easy for me to except a draw.

You have all seen the card as it is written, nothing can change that fact, thats why you score each round as it happens.

And no explaining can change 48 - 50 a draw.

When I trained was not aware two stars made a point, but am a little rusty, and will except a point coming of.

Still makes 49 - 50 to Steve making him the winner. Some body have the balls and put it right, or are we waiting for Thailand to change the rules to one * = 1 point.


Even when this is sorted, should Ryan ever be aloud to be in charge of any Muay Thai ever again, he acted in a complete puppet and corrupt way, in one of the biggest Muay Thai fights you can get in the light heavy weight division. I for one would not trust him to carry a spit bucket. Mark

But Dave you can now stand up as a man of Muay Thai

Dave Fenson I would never say nothing bad about you. You lasted 3 mins with Ryan arguing the point until he was so rude to you you had to walk away, but that was 3 mins more then anyone else did. u da man lol in a sad sit

When I trained was not aware two stars made a point, but am a little rusty, and will except a point coming of.

---------------------------------------

Obviously this would vary from bout to bout but if i had a star i was carring or a dot or a mental note (for those who do not like stars) and the next round i also had the seem feeling of the boxer edging the round I also would make that a point.
I think you have it spot on personally.

From what I have seen and assessed here on this topic/debate and without seeing the fight and from my chats with Mark and other officials in addition to seeing the above scoring, I can conclude the following based upon my experience and qualifications as a Judge:

Judge 1 scores Wakeling WIN
Judge 2 Scores Levin WIN
Judge 3 Scores Wakeling WIN

2 Judges score win to Wakeling 1 Judge score win to Levin

WAKELING = WIN

All score cards are collected and handed to the Chief Judge who checks the scores and announces the results to the Referee who in turn tells the MC

From what I read here, 'DRAW' was indicated on Judge 3's score card when in fact they had scored a win this is the area where the confusion lies and hence the investigation.

SHAUN

why a senior official? it always used to be the most experienced judge was head and the cards are handed to him to check whats the point in the extra body?

I honestly don't understand the card with two successive dots given to Levin. Give R3 a 10-9 to Levin, then you get a 48-49 decision to Steve.

Why it was written a draw when the score contradicts that outcome is slightly less baffling than when the lead official ACCEPTED IT!

We are in dire straits in the USA with shotty and erroneous scoring which plagues even the highest levels (e.g., Howson v. Adanza), and the UK has for years been an example on how to do it properly. Unfortunately, this outcome mars that.

49-48 makes it sound close though, it wasnt a close fight

The extra official Was Ryan Rudkin who acted in the most corrupt way I have ever seen, even beats Stephan Fox getting in the ring with his own fighter from his own camp, and saying Im the ref. The big question is who bought Ryan, who was he acting for ? who got to him ?. And how can he be such a fool to come on here and say that score card is a draw. Talk about shoot your self in the foot.

Soon im sure some one will come on and defend Ryan, then we see who he cheated for.

I already know ! Come on come outa the closet, you know your watching.

But be warned people of Muay Thai even if they wont say, know a carrots a carrot, and a spud is a spud, and even Daid copperfield will not make them see different this time.

Just Man up tell the truth, you will save some face in the long run.

Mark

Kieth, we coulda spoke german and nobody woulda been the wiser! hahaha x

Tony, I hadn't seen your response when my post went up but it didn't show up til later for some reason. Thanks for clarifying.

Haha luv you too Mark lol.. I wasn't trying to be a dick and only wanted to understand something I really didn't get.

What it was Dave, was you could not make 48 - 50 a draw and wanted to know how Ryan did, he could not answer other then to say he is acting under the ukmf and had full control.

What you never seen a corrupt man before Dave, what a sheltered life you have left.

I thought at first he must just be really stupid, and cant add up. But when he came on here and said 48 = 50 to make a draw, after he had lots of time to reflect on his arrogant, stupidity, just proved he is all of that and corrupt.

Anyone wanting a corrupt official Ryans your man ! he is also a good puppet, and really cheap.

Official results.




Steven Wakeling (Scorpions) vs Artem Levin (Russia) 79.3kgs 5x3 mins DRAW! we expect decision to be overturned in favour of Wakeling in next 24 hours.

Greg Wootton (KO) vs Luke Turner (Bad Co) 63.5kgs 5x3mins Wooton win points

Jose Varela (KO Bloodline) vs Keith McChalin (Eclipse, Scotland) 5x3mins McChlain win points

Adam-Lee Mason (Semtex) vs Daniel Terry (Stars Gym) 61.5kgs 5x3mins Terry win tko rnd 5

Amanda Kelly (KO) vs Chantal Ughi (Italy) 63.5kgs 5x3mins Amanda Kelly win tko rnd 1

Erik Llyod (Semtex) vs Charles Sikwa (Eagles , Wales) Lyod win points and new UKMF BRITISH CHAMPION

Matthew Tieu (Team Tieu) vs Ming Le (Finland) 58kgs 5x3mins Tieu win tko rnd 2

John-Paul Donoghue (Semtex) vs Mike Clarke (Tobins Gym) 78.5kgs 5x3mins Clarke win RSF rnd 3

Peter Irving (Semtex) vs Rickie Hamilton (Warriors) 3x3 XFS title UK-1 76kgs Hamilton win points plus new XFS champ

Jake Barton (Elite) vs Chad Sugden (Newark MA) 3x3mins 73kgs XFS UK-1 Sugden win RSF rnd 3

Hayleigh Jane Clarkson (Semtex) vs Kelsey Van de Poll (Holland) 54kgs 5x2mins Clarkson win points

Evan Jay (Benfleet) vs Burak Ilgin (Belgium) 36kgs 5x2mins (Junior) Ilgin win points

Kierren Parker (Semtex) vs TJ Everett (Scotland) 40kgs max 5x2 (Junior) TJ win tko rnd 3

dave writes--Amanda Kelly was a class act and I definitey think it's time her and Julie share the ring. I don't know why they didn't before but guessing it was politics of some kind so I'm not interested but I think she deserves the shot and what a great fight it would be. When Amanda puts her fight face on I can't help but feel a little scared myself!

cant see it happening mate and if it did,it would never happen in the uk because of the corruption above and i watched the last fight ringside against the dutch girl and thought amanda lost....besides that...amanda beating someone who has lost to every female fighter in the top 10 and having a "fight face" hardly warrants a shot at julie!!!!!!-everytime a female fighter has a good bout in the uk they can match julie--everyone said the same about sarah mc until lucy fought her...makes me piss.

besides,i let it happen last time to prove a point and got shit on through lies,disrespect and corruption from the same click.
saying that you are not interested in the politics when i stick footage up of a promoter and official lying their arses off shouldve been enough but it wasnt--everyone sat on the fence and now its happening all over again with the same people only this time its steven wakeling who is on the end of it.

these are career ruining fights/decisions left in the hands of people who couldnt give a shit about the truth or principles and have never even trained a world champion,just ticket sales and money matter..jmo.
best wishes to steve/mark and i truly hope the decision is overturned.

So basically it all links back to Ryan Rudkin ??why has he not came on here and said anything ?

Mark knows that were behind him on getting this decision overturned. The organisation of Xplosion hired the sanctioning body so its out of our hands.

We will make an announcement of our next date very soon along with some other details about the show.

Nathan you know thats a match that Xplosion would love to put on.

50-47 to wakeling was on my card

Just for clarity, I didn't see the fight and so wasn't scoring it 49-48. That was just my interpretation of the scores on the card that Mark referred to.

Nath, to be totally honest that was my view of the fight with the dutch girl due to the amount of low kicks and the effect of them but thats just my honest opinion. At the same time I think Amanda should have the chance to test herself against Julie and is a worthy opponent. What about Amanda V's Lucy? I reckon that would also be a great fight and think the weight may be better too as I'm sure Amanda fights above her weight to get the experience? (don't quote me on that tho). I'm not a promoter but definitely think that would be two good fights right there. Who else is there domestically for Amanda?

Can't wait to hear the line up for the next installment of the Xplosion Fight Series!!!!!

Not all this nonsense again.

Nathan

Amanda Destroyed Chantal 50 sec Rd 1( Chantal went the distance with both Julie & Miriam ). The Dutch girl you speak of also went the distance with Miriam.

Some people believe Claire won her last encounter with Julie. They are entitled to there opinions as are you .

As for Amanda V Julie well you pulled her out . If you have two well matched opponents ie Greg v Luke you get it on fight NO pullouts (bottle it) No Trash talking just fight .

One judge scored it for Luke re Greg v Luke contest . On a earlier show the Ref stopped my fighter on a mis-communication . I am not part of a clique

Dave

It was a Muay Thai fight not K1 . The low kick had no or little effect . The Knees did

Amanda has Beaten Lucy . Maybe you are thinking of the Anna (ranked no 1) who also beat Sarah Mc and Bernice

Amanda does not need to test herself against Julie . That implies Julie is the better fighter I do not agree . Nathan had a chance to " Put up or Shut up " it is now time to shut up .

Thank you Dave Mcateer, thats all I asked you to do. If you want to do look at the score card, my web man misunderstood and put it up on scorpions facebook page, instead of here, as he was flying out the country, so you can see it there. When he lands he should get my message and put them on here. If some one can before he does, copy them from there and put them on here. Or just look on there, your see its the same as i have put above. From what I understand now, is we are waiting for a email from the judge in question, to exsplain how he makes 48** to 50 add up to a draw.

Maybe I was wrong, and re looking at the score card, its two dots not stars, maybe dots add up to more then stars.

We wonder how we can make joe public understand the scoring of Muay Thai, Fuck Ive been the winning corner of 16 world tittle fights,over 24 years, and now I cant even read a card 48** - 50 and get the winner right.

What chance has joe public got. And without joe public we have a sport dead in the water. And a sport that made me ashammed to be part of on the 6th july 2012.

It's a damn shame that what looks like a quality show is being dragged down.by the acts of certain self serving people. The sooner someone takes the reigns on outs all the frauds and corrupt people in the sport lining their pockets on other peoples hard work the better. It will only be a matter of time before shit like this and ridiculous decision stops our top fighters from competing in the UK

JP. Them shows can never be dragged down, they are amoungst the best in the world. Steve and KK are the nuts when they promote.

Nobody could have a bad thing to say about there promoting, with out getting a really long nose.

They work there nuts of, to pull the best fights out there. Only 100% credit from me, and ive never give that before.

This fight with what happened 5 days before, would of never happened, with any other promotor.

As the story unfoleded that week, I had a good idea what was going to happen, but if I pulled out, Steve and Ks show would have been in trouble, thats how much respect they have earned from me.

And in some cases no publicity is bad, the show was brill, as always, the only thing that went wrong, was the officials, doing what I half knew they would do, but I really never thought, I would get the profe before I left the show.

No mud will stick to XFS unless every one turns up to the next one with Ryan Rudkin the head offical again. But I have a feeling we will never see that thing at a XFS show again. Steve and KK are fast learners.

Infact I would never even let a Scorpion fight on a interclub that Ryan Rudkin had anything to do with. He showed me what a small pathatic crooked weasle puppet he really is. I hope for those in the ukmf he acted alone and was a solo cheat. The other judges that were with him were not ukmf. The only other ukmf judge has been on here and told the truth, full respect to him.

xfs is one of the top shows in the uk for sure but its made all the better by how well treating and helpful both KK and Steve are.
was a privilege to fight on their show and if i get the chance to again i will at the drop of a hat, as will all of my fighters

Got to say, on the performance om Saturday, Amanda Kelly looked awesome. Is a shame, that for what ever reason, it wont happen with Julie.
Love both gyms, and both girls so wont get involved with the politics.

Amanda is the only woman I can honestly say will beat Julie.

Sorry Mark wasn't directed at the show just the frauds who always seem to weasel their way in and take the shine off of things. How can it take any sanctioning body DAYS to operate a calculator and overturn a decision?

Amanda does not need to test herself against Julie . That implies Julie is the better fighter I do not agree . Nathan had a chance to " Put up or Shut up " it is now simply time to shut up .

- classic!

Bill, I don't come on here to offend but do like to be honest and not kiss ass and actually say what I think so don't mean any offence by what I said. I have to be truthful and I remember thinking at the time that the repeated low kicks clearly showed effect by the large bruises on Amanda's legs. At the time I felt they should've scored well but I haven't seen the fight back so I'm going by what I thought at the time. Likewise, I really rate Luke and his performance was superb against Greg but I know he didn't do enough to warrant a judge giving him the win over Greg's performance. Again just my opinion but something I'm sure Luke himself and Richard Smith would agree with. That really was an amazing fight from those two warriors and I can't wait to watch it back again as it had me on the edge of my seat!

I'm not suggesting Julie is better or Amanda is better as that can only be proven in one way but it's a shame if it doesn't happen at some point due to politics. Those two girls could be like the excitement we are all still buzzing off with Greg and Luke! I wanna see a rematch already as that was one of my favourite fights of all time and that's no exaggeration!

People who really understand top lvl Muay Thai, the money the sweat, the pain, and what you put your body throgh, to get ready for a Stephen Wakeling v Artin Levin World Tittle Fight, is fucking heart breaking to watch, I some times cry, and say never again, I cry watching it, I will admit im a hard man, but I,M not that bigger a man, I could not ever walk in Stephens Shoes at that level, I could take the pain at british lvl, not at Artin v Steve, the sacrafices he made, were unbelivable, levin is a beast, steve had to train to take what that beast hit him with, and hit him back better and harder. most of you have no idea what he put himself through, just look how his body changed since his last fight, he had to move up a weight to fight him.After beating the monster, he gets cheated of the glory, that speacial momment every thing he sacrafised for that one momment, Rayan Rudkin YOU ROBBED HIM OF THAT MOMMENT, you dirty little slug, you weasle, you purthetic tramp, you crooked dirt bag. After that you insulted us, by telling us 48** and 50 are a draw and we dont know how to add up a score card. you cheated some one 2 million lvls above your pathetic muay thai lvl your worse then a dog, i think that even insults dogs. Your scum rudkin. I think i really should not post when im drunk, but I wont go this far when im sober, I wonder wether as ryan thinks he knows muaythai he would like to have a charity match with me,
i know, im a bit heavier, maybe it would be fair if ryan can use all eight lims, and i get only two, and ryan picks what two i can use, must be same for ballance, like two hands, or elbows (I WISH) or two legs, with £5,000 going to charity. I wonder if there is a man in that slugs body. Come on ryan sure your muaythai skill 8 weapons can take two on a 50 year old man. Lets do it for charity !!

Best domestic fight I've ever seen Luke v Greg it was a classic I've seen some ace ones like Tony Moore v steve holt that was in 1987 this was the best I believe and Amanda was class v Ughi i am huge fan of Julie who I hope pans Miriam next month but these two women stand out for uk as does steven Wakeling who is quite unsung really and he's a credit to us please mate don't retire there's other fighters to beat up earth needs superman!! I said on commentary in proud of all over fighters makes me feel happy and warm even if the weather is wank...credit to jp v mike Clarke it's was another classic and steve and kk it was a top top show loved every fight everyone fought out of their skins xx

I never realalized how good Greg Wootan was. I think all the bias opinions on here can blind people. all this stuff on being robbed is taking away all the other fighters victorys i know it is unfair when a judge gets it wrong and its even worse when he knows his wrong but cant admit it so its getting out of hand. so i really want to mention how good Greg was.
he got a good style
he fought really well and contoled the fight. Ko gym are getting so good now and got very good fighters.
Greg.......................number 1

Hope this picture of the scxore card comes out !!!

Hope this picture of the score card comes out

mark wakeling for el presidente

that scorecard is a joke and it adds up to a wakeling win

well done to all fighters..

suprised wooten beat turner..turner is class so wooten must have fought out of his skin...think i underestimated wooten...sounds like a top fight

lol...amanda fought lucy in her first fight!!! lucy was 16.despite you not telling anyone that amanda had a very experienced karate background (which suddenly came out recently)--more cheating on past experience from you.

chantal has been beaten by everyone which fair enough is a scalp at amandas new weight because of amanda matching her clinch strength-but realistically thats as far as it goes-chantal is hardly in julies league,im not saying she wont be-but at the moment there is no comparison.i offered a chance to prove it-you blew it by lying.i hope they have to meet on a big show one day but it wont be in the uk.if miriam pulls out by any chance,i will personally set up the replacement and prove a point in the usa.

julie v claire was a fight i had rescored by tony myers who said julie easily won both times--end of

on the subject of claire who recently asked for the fight with amanda and was refused despite beating chantal by 4th rnd tko and drawing with amanda despite also living in london and would sell tickets--sounds like someone is avoiding fights besides all your "get it on" preaching.

greg v luke--classic match,well done greg and i would never say any different.

jm1985-your opinion counts for nothing as you know nothing.end of.

as for the canceling-lol...video evidence of a corrupt couple of idiots proved my point-get who you like on here to say different--i dont care.
and you can use ax and all your buddies on here who will agree black is white with you to compare amanda to julie but the whole world knows different.

Luke and Greg were both class and cannot big that fight up enough, you have to watch it! Greg did fight out of his skin and deserved the win. He keeps going from strength to strength and taking on the best so lets see who's next for the prodigy?

Lets not argue about Julie and Amanda as it's pointless as Nath you're clearly gonna back Julie and Bill will clearly back Amanda and everyone else in the middle will have an opinion. The truth is it would make an exciting fight and I'd love to see it, thats all. Hope it happens sometime but lets not bring the girls down by bitching about it as I'm sure both would rather just do their talking in the ring.

Steve,
Mate, sorry to hear some bad judging and dubious deals have taken the shine off of what was a big fight and a huge victory for you and Mark.
Not sure how they will go with turning the decision over. They either have to admit their staff fucked up and give you the win that you had or ignore it and stick by their officials. Either way they lose face and I guess they need to workout which one costs their reputation the most!!

Nathan leave it alone mate. You clearly lost the Julie v Amanda debate on another thread. Just grow a set.

Steve you can't retire yet. You have not developed my world class bloccking technigues. I spent years showing you I could block your round house with my soft thigh. Ok I couldnt walk for days after but I think the techniques is a winner. Much like my face blocking of you punches...

Letting this thread digress from what was an amazing show.

i agree with ash..everyone watched as kitchen pulled out of the fight and then tried to spin it

i dont think the fight will happen in the uk..not sure a promoter would gamble money advertising a card only for kitchen to pull out again over a hissy fit if someone shares an opinion on a public forum and sets him off

as for who would win?
1 team was ready to fight to see who was the best..the other team pulled/ducked out...thats how it will be remebered

Mate you should have had a career in politics. Your lies are staring you in the face and you still pretend otherwise.
The evidence is right here on AX. Any neutral can go and reread those threads. The comments have dates and times. It is quite clear who pulled that fight, who threw their toys out of the pram. It is quite clear a new fight was arranged, conveniently, at the same time. I invite all neutrals to reread it (if they can be bothered to) and see if anyone agree with you.

Everyone, apart from a couple of anonymous trolls, (what did you expect? this is an internet forum) respects Julie as a fighter and mother and for her achievements in the sport. You're the one who is losing everyone's respect with your paranoid rantings.

I had a fair amount of sympathy for you before and I'm sure you are a nice guy in reality but you are acting like a real twat.

"""Nathan leave it alone mate. You clearly lost the Julie v Amanda debate on another thread. Just grow a set.""

Quoted for truth! I have the utmost respect for Julie's talent, but they pulled out of the fight with Amanda and all the pony that nathan spews will never change that fact

Nathan

Regarding Chantal you were desperate to fight her for the WBC world title .
The WBC turned this match down instead Julie fought a Thai that Chantal had already beaten ( A lot smaller
and lighter ) .

63.5kg has to be the most talented weight division in British Muay Thai.

It's quite easy to underestimate Greg, he's cheerful but modest and unassuming.

I have to say that that fight embodied so many things that I love about Muay Thai. Two very well matched fighters with skill, courage, dedication and not least respectfulness and sportsmanship. Mr Smith's comments on here were very classy and gracious too.

Excellent post Raymond and couldn't agree more! That is the kind of positives that we need to focus on and people like Greg and Luke will help move this sport forwards.

Well half sober !!! Dam, I got drunk, just to tell Ryan Rudkin how I really felt about him. And it still did not come out bad enough. And I would be more then happy for the charity match to stand.

Please though, all fighters, and trainers (except ryan rudkin) deserve respect, debate and talk about fights, but in a nice way.

Julie, has become a superstar of womens Muay Thai, and is a great fighter.

Amanda has progressed, in her last two fights, quicker then I have seen most, and is a credit, to U.K Muay Thai and her gym.

Also I think Amanda now will give any women her weight in the world a hard fight.

If I promoted a show, I would want Julie, and Amanda on it taking on the best women out there in the world.

That would give you two great Womens fights, and show case todays U.K Womens Muay Thai. Along with all the other grate female fighters the uk has.

If the managers dont want them to meet yet for there own reasons, thats up to them, but what ever they decide, is up to them, we still have two great women that deserve respect.

Stephen only agreed to step up another weight, to fight Artin levin for A W.B.C WORLD light heavey weight tittle, to go down in Muay Thai history as the first person ever to win three diffrent weight WBC tittles. The WMC rep went to Steve and kk and pressured them into making it a WMC World tittle, because it was a ukmf show. WE will come back to this, and what happened to the tittle. Im like a dentist one at a time lol.

Nathan that's my opionion to bolax to you. Amanda would rag doll Julie all over the shop. If you think other wise proove it. If not get a grip you jiz monkey.

An intelligent post as always Jim.

Some might ask, why I.m attacking Ryan Rudkin if he was not a judge.

I have had 11 phone calls, and 26 emails, asking why, I have answered all of them, and every one of them said sorry we asked.

So I will try to make it clear.

As it was a WMC world tittle fight, Ryan picked the judges, the flights and hoteles were already paid for.

5 days before the fight, the wmc world tittle was pulled, and told that no other world tittle was aloud to be fought for.

But as a conselation prize, the winner can get a mad tittle. The belt that three or four people can win in the same night, at the same weight.

Ryan Rudkin as cheif ukmf rep for the show, suggested keeping the judges that had already had every thing paid for, to save money(right).

Now this was a sole ukmf sanctioned show, with Ryan Rudkin as head offical, as the other two judges were guests on a ukmf show, Ryan was the man in charge, Chris was the only ukmf judge there, that made him cheife judge, and the score cards should of been handed to him, and he tottals and anounces the winner. I watched as the fight ended Ryan take the judes score cards and give them to a wmc judge, first protocall broke.

When the decission was anounced, there was shock in the whole building. After taking the mike and exsplaining what happened, I jumped over the ropes and went to Ryan and wmc judge, I was in disbalife as eveyone else, when we could see Steve wone even on the cards, everyone came around, Ryan shouted them away, spoke rudely to everyone, they started to disburse, except me Chris AND dave fenson. Chris protested, remember this is the cheif judge, the only ukmf judge there, after Ryan telling Chris again, Chris looked at me and said sorry, and walked away. Dave Fenson put up a fight, and said ryan your wmc judge has just admitted he scored 48** 50 to steve hows that a draw, it took 3 mins of Ryan Rudkins rudeness to get rid of dave, he tried.

Me I asked Ryan to add the score cards, as ukmf head offical and call the fighters back to the ring. He refussed and said the above card reads a draw, and as head of ukmf here that stands.

Now put together, a wmc judge gets all the score cards forced by Ryan, they read a win to Stephen. I asked for the score cards and was told by that slug to write in for a copys so I took them of them, so it could not get more corrupted then it allready was.

The UKMF judge gave the fight to Stephen, under protocall he was the head judge, and added up the score cards to Steve winning, he protested to Ryan and Ryan dismissed him.

Ryans job was to make sure people done there jobs, he took it upon himself, to break protocall to bring this decission, and cheat in the most corrupt way I have seen.

And if the ukmf had no confidence in Chris being the only ukmf judge there making him cheif judge, the fees had been paid to ukmf, they should of had a ukmf judge there they were confident with.

The president of ukmf also said under protorcall Chris was cheif judge, and Ryan should of made sure he was.

Ryan Rudkin as far as i know, or was when I checked company houe, a while back a Director of ukmf, so for sure knows the rules and regs. So for him to break all them rules and add that card up as a draw, is nothing but corrupt and a dirty cheat.

And to do what he done at that lvl should never be aloud to be a offical again.

For now I would like to think he was acting for we all know who!!! and I reaaly hope the rest of ukmf can sweep the bad apples away, and show they are not behind this. Muay Thai starts with honur and respct, He did not just cheat me and Steve he cheated U.K Mauy Thai and his country, out of a glorious win.

Just a quick 1 il do the Amanda vs Julie fight here Cork City Ireland on neutral ground if ye were all interested.
Its only an offer dont want get jumped on over it.

Well done with show Kieran and Steve.

Muay 1 you should stick to knowing nothing about muay Thai. You probly don't even train.

No you are right Jim, I know nothing about Muay Thai and don't train. I just come on here for a laugh.

I don't confess to know everything, however I do have a passion to train and watch muay Thai. I like to come on here to keep up to date with what's going on with various shows and gyms, however every single post of yours is about trying to get a rise out of people, calm your fat ass down. If you have nothing positive to say then don't say anything at all. You're obviously not the brightest of people but surely you have better things to do than to sit on here taking your frustration out on people because you're bitter about the fact you've gone through years of training and still can't see your feet.

Why does have to be that Greg fought out of his skin? Why cant people just say Greg is better?
He won and won clearly

i have one qeustion not sticking up for on1 in this qeustion its just a qeustion. what does ryna rudkin get out of this by doin wot is written on here?? like why would he do that?

Ryan, why do you have to try and put a negative spin on things. I said Greg fought out of his skin as in he was the better man on the day and superb. It takes greatness to bring out greatness sometimes and even chatting to Bill before the fight he said this could be the start of "a trilogy like Howson V Trainor and either lad could win on their day". That's not disrespectful, it's actually out of respect for both lads.

Because he was badly cut by a class act in turner that's why he fought out of his skin not hard to workout is it you wasn't there as usual a so called fight fan dives on here with his sneaky comment again!!! Dave fensom was class fighter and good post and prefight interviewer well done mate saw his glee as he saw mine at the fight between two great fighters and two great coached bill Judd and Richard smith well done again!!

Muay1 why dont you just email me instead? Where do you train been as you know so much ?

Whats the point in me emailing you? What you embarrassed about? I've said what I need to.

Also why does it matter where I train? And how will that prove I know so much?

You make yourself look a complete tit everytime you post.

the quicker something like this is put right, the better!

For the answer to that Jason, you would have to know the politics of Muay Thai. You would have to know how money is invested in the Ammeters, and the countries hosts,
Its not some thing i,m prepared to teach you right now.

BUT open your eyes - Why would he go against the protocall of his own governing body and force the score cards to go to a wmc judge, they had no power other then to judge a fight for ukmf.

Why would ryan ignore the voice of the cheif judge, when he is telling him his wrong, and abuse his power to shut him up.

Why would Ryan refuse to admit the score cards added up to Steve winning.

Why would Ryan come on here and lie to the world, and tell them the cards added up to a draw.

The most experienced judges this country has come on here and expose that lie.

Theres loads hundreds of witnesses to his actions on that night. What you thinking jason he made a couple of mistakes lol There is a lot more on Ryan including the greek games and many more things that are going to be told about the man, if I can call him that. But like I say I'm like a dentist and only pull one at a time lol

Thanks Vinny I'm glad someone realises what I meant x

I do think it's a real shame that these threads always seems to spiral into a negative slagging match and often the same names pop up :( Let's maybe try and focus on the positive things like the epic fights we just had the pleasure of witnessing and the dedicated athletes that put themselves through hours of pain and sacrifice for our entertainment.

Can't wait to see what Keiran and Steve have in store for the next installment!

...........Just love the way this thread keeps givin and givin....

lol.just shows how many trolls come out of ko gym as they have all suddenly woken up.!!!!

bill---it clearly is stated by our expert jm1985,that chantal v amanda when announced was a "wicked fight",

also dave wrote

"Great fight for Amanda to show her technical abilities.
I see Chantal fought Sheree Halliday, maybe Kelly V's Halliday in the future? That would be a technical fight to watch, just saying as I'd like to see it and don't know if its happened in the past?"

so chantal who has been beaten by around 10 fighters in the top 10..lol is a good match for amanda then it is clearly evident seeming julie has beaten around all 10 that amanda isnt in julies league--yet.

it is just a shame that someone who i had so much respect for can jump all over someones career before its even over, instead of backing a genuine uk world no1 who alongside myself has constantly stuck her neck out to gain advantages for all females in the sport that is very male dominated.

it was you who first brung up julies name on here as soon as amanda won,rudely and desperately trying to compare amandas fight on sat with a fight julie had in 2007,you knew i would say something so please live with it..,fact is amanda fought 5 crap rounds in her last fight against the dutch girl who couldnt clinch for toffee and gained a dodgy decision win.which suggests a lot in respect to julie or anyone fighting her in london,sorry if that upsets anyone but i look after my wife/fighter and dont want her robbed- even against the fact that it is the best show around at the moment.

this time she excelled and fought well for 50 seconds and the good old axers compare her to julie--after 50 secs???..lol.

raymond says
"Mate you should have had a career in politics. Your lies are staring you in the face and you still pretend otherwise.
The evidence is right here on AX. Any neutral can go and reread those threads. The comments have dates and times. It is quite clear who pulled that fight, who threw their toys out of the pram. It is quite clear a new fight was arranged, conveniently, at the same time. I invite all neutrals to reread it (if they can be bothered to) and see if anyone agree with you."

raymond-ryan clearly says on video that bill cancelled the fight,its on ax for the world to see,it isnt typed so cannot be misunderstood in anyway shape or form.also i put emails from myself to dennis warner proving that i renegotiated the contract so julie could still fight amanda within the period of the clause--you dont have to have a political career or be miss marple,especially when the same person is lying about someones scorecards on this very thread..let me once again remind you of the conversation on video..

Nathan- then why phone julie up and give her 24 hours to say yes or no?

Ryan- (pause) -because I couldn’t get hold of you,I couldn’t get hold of you

Nathan- yes but the fact that you phoned her on the tuesday night proves that the fight was on Tuesday night,yes or no

Ryan-as far as you guys were concerned-yes

Nathan--right , so someone cancelled it?

Ryan—no

Nathan--(laughing) yes

Ryan—yes he did,and ill tell you why,its because you insulted the fu***** guy and me


wake up raymond.!!!

i have never said that amanda isnt a good fighter and if you watch her fight against the dutch girl,you can clearly hear me shouting to her to push forward and win,because i am/was a massive ko fan,but fact was the dutch girl was robbed.

bill-you keep dragging up past fights to try and discredit julie,the thai was smaller--why? because julie was told (luckily because of floods in samui) that she could weigh anywhere up to 66.6kg, we was happy with 63kg and julie has NEVER come in overweight (unlike some from your gym that have been on my shows and put fighters in hospital as a result.) ,was the thai told? i have no idea and its not my job to drive to bkk to tell her---now with a week to go,what would you do? starve your fighter? tell them to jump in a sauna? or eat up and train hard..

if you want to bring up past fights,what about when amanda got duffed up by my 41 year old grandma.? and we offered a rematch which amanda pulled out 5 days before only so you could replace her with the english champion annabel just to gain a win...lol.

remember-this is ax world so ko gym will always have trolls and support by other promoters/trainers right or wrong because they have a massive pool of skilled fighters who can sell tickets and help on shows with pull outs--if thats what makes you all forget the truth and facts,then fine... look on fb and see how many fans worldwide julie has and all of whom would piss themselves at this comparison.

keep the ax haters that cant even provide their own names to back your claims because thats as far as its going with who thinks amanda is better.

im very pleased to say that no1 from my gym comes on here to blow smoke up my ass and if im wrong i will always and have always apologised--yes i go on a bit,but truth is truth,facts are facts and right is right.

uk muaythai cannot even admit who their best is and get behind them,you have guys who arent ranked that you say are the best and a girl who beat a girl who has consistently lost and compare her to someone who has won her last 20 ftr pro fights.
---push the sport forward.pml

yours in muaythai. x

Not Ryan in the middle again !! nowonder it all went wrong lol

QED

Vinny i never said i was there so why would you jump down my throat .
The fight is on the internets and you can watch it there and fortunatly you cant hear any commentry by you.
What is wrong with being a fan? You go on about all the fighters you like all the time.
You just dont care about people and you dont care if you hurt there feelings you just shout your mouth off and think it is fine.
You always target me because i have a different opinion and i have done karate and it is bullying.

I would not mind a copy of that tape nathern, I'm having one of many websites made, the first one is Called the life and times of Ryan Rudkin the man behind the lies and corruption. Thank you for all the things already sent. Anymore bits just email them to me, every thing must be backed up by writtern word or taped for legal reasons, as we must be able to back the truths in the website. But I promise all truths, lies and corruption will get printed, so keep sending. Mark

how comes the judge who came over from abroad was very accurate scoring all other bouts like the turner one and the keith v varela one yet he was miles off only on the Wakeling fite? so fishy

yeh nah your right mark i dont know all the politics involved, so form my view i just confused why he would do a fellow english men out of a clear win not that ive seen the fight but every1 is agreed wakeling won 100% i just dont get it all.

but sometimes ignorance is bliss!

Your doing that by replying to a troll every time you bumtard

Nathan seriously you probably have done as much harm to your wife's career as good, I'm honestly not that bothered about women's muay Thai at all but id quite like Julie to ever win again just because you are such a whiney little bitch and that's a shame because Julie really is a good fighter with a great fighters attitude and heart but you need to wind your neck in it's just embarrassing.

Has anyone seen,

Yours in muayThai anywhere????


I really can not wait for the explanation about the above scorecard...........

I do agree with Nathan about Julie being out of Amandas league, and the fact Amanda is being compared to her is a bit of a joke, tbh the only other UK female who imo could beat Julie is Helen Garnette but that also is a fught either lady could take on a different night, Helen has now moved up weight so that fight probably wont happen. But its also true Nathan you do throw your toys out of pram as soon as someone gives sone constructive criticism and its embarrasing for Julie, just let haters hate.

On another note, hope Steve Wakeling get what he deserves and Ryan gets blacklisted from any involvement in Muay Thai.

Im never get involved in official appeals unless I'm part of the organising team, but looking at the score card mark has put up I make the following observations
1 It definately adds up to a win for Steve Wakling even taking in the two dots/stars and as Tony suggested could add another point for Andre Levin at 49-50.
2 The score for Steve has been altered for round 3 from 9 to 10 If I were an official I would want clarification from the judge as to when this was done, it is immpossiible to tell from a scanned image when it occured, my question would be if the judge changed it after awarding the round to Levin, why then did he leave his dot/star, or did he award the dot/star after he changed Wakling to a 10.only careful scrutiny of the original card would clarify this.

On a different note Liam R, for info there are 6 secure data storage centers in the Newcastle area which meet the specifications you mention there are also 13 in the North of England which whilst not ISO 27001 approved are more than capable of operating to that spec, and I'm sure that as the designated area of final resistance during the cold wa, there are probably just as many more who's existance is a closly guarded secret.

hoost fan writes--Nathan seriously you probably have done as much harm to your wife's career as good, I'm honestly not that bothered about women's muay Thai at all but id quite like Julie to ever win again just because you are such a whiney little bitch and that's a shame because Julie really is a good fighter with a great fighters attitude and heart but you need to wind your neck in it's just embarrassing.

when people like yourself used to come on here and slag womens mt off,i was the guy who made enemies for years sticking up for how good women fighters was,i used to put julie into fights for free as long as she was main event or featured on the poster to raise our profile and the profile of women in the sport--where was bill/amanda then or any other instructor of females???
amanda is a great fighter but has done fuck all for the sport and women in the sport,just trains,fights and sells shed loads of tickets and because she lives in london appears on every show (not saying this is a bad thing).....

julie is renowned worldwide as the worlds greatest female fighter ever and has fought nigh on everyone in their own country and hasnt once had to whinge about the rules and being robbed because we do enough to win..thats why she sailed through the mpl.
julie has hardly ever appeared on any top uk show,yet she has won over 50 fights,she has been featured on transworld who have just come back and done a half hr complete program just on julie,(what other uk girls or lads have they done twice? or even once?,she has met the queen and prince phillip with her belts, been on front page of countless mags and spreads,raised loads for charities and has been a huge ambassador to the sport,we are sponsored by 3 companies in and around london who supply our gym in cornwall with equipment..lol..mabe they havent heard of amanda??,in fact julie has easily achieved more than any other female fighter in the world--ever.

from all this--- and for once blowing my own trumpet rather than julies--id say ive done a bloody good job in julies career/training/management and promotion and not harmed it in the slightest-- even though we havent conquered ax yet ,wouldnt you?
again people talking just from ax--have a look at julies facebook pages over 20,000 fans worldwide.....all down to graft and sacrifice/commitment.

everyone has the same opportunities-even more in the cities.

btw who have you promoted? even though you cant even promote yourself because you are faceless.

I think it's ridiculous how Nathan has to answer to people on here, if he's done more damage than good for Julie's career then how has she got to where she is? What he says about amanda makes sense, he's not really said anything out of turn either.

This has to be the most entertaining thread ever!! I remember Steve and Michael fightin In Egham Royal Holloway Uni Years ago!! Kieran Keddle v Frankie Hudders on same show!! The Wakelings have done us all proud. Mark you have been an amazing coach and inspiration to other coaches/camps...but your only responsible for yourself and your role, you cant be the coach/ref/judge/chief judge....so if they have fucked up, let them rot and face the consequences! You guys deserve a nice break from this training camp, couple of beers and focus on future bouts...I think we need to boycott the UKMF if this is their stance and all wear TEAM SCANDAL shorts!!!

"Yours in Muay Thai!" Gives me Rage!!

Ok tbf guys the Julie vs Amanada fight really should be dropped off this thread dont we think? End of the day its been done and everyone has read all about it and seen and heard both sides. I for 1 am a friend of Natahn and Julie's and alot of the Touchgloves guys and i no why Nath come's on and says what he does but i have also made it clear to him in person he needs to chill bless him, but he shows passion i guess. Bill is a great instructor as proven at the weekend with Amanad's amazing performance she really did look class and best i have seen her so far but a minute or so in to a round you didnt get to see much other than Chazntel getting a battering. How about we leave and you take Martin up on his offer and get it on in Ireland, we would all love to see the fight and it would be great. But as for this thread, well lets leave it as this is about KK and Steve's great show and all this as well Kru Bellends (Ryan) antics are taking away from what was a great and well frun show.

KK and Steve cheers for everything as always lads was great to see you both and some great fights where on the show and didnt fail us. Luke v Greg was great, Greg seemed to want it more that last round, was close going in to the last 2 and Luke was picking it up in the 4th till half way thru was caught with a disgusting elbow which almost blew his wig off, showed heart and determination to stay on his feet after that and go the distance, well done Greg awesome fight both lads, has to happen again 1 million% Mikey scared the shit out of me after first 2 rounds, came back and said he felt shit.....and just wasnt himself at all, as pointed out by skud he got a severe talking to/slap/telling off pep talk and it worked a treat, went out there next round and finished the fight dead happy and chuffed for him and Tobin who couldnt be there hence me helping the lads out. Lee mate anytime, Charles is a great lad and well done to you and him :) showed a massive heart defo be proud of that kid.

And Mark mate....what can i say.....its not fooking rocket science Steve clearly won the fight 50-48 based on that card, Chris Podesta is 1 of the top judges around in the UK and his card and what he has wrote alone sums it up. Ryan knows i cant stand the twat anyway so bothered who reads this. He has a serious attitude problem and because he puts a shitty blue shirt on every other weekend (when the real/proper officials who actually no what there doing) cant be available he gets too power trippy for his penfold looking self. Learn some manners and stop being such a sly fucker and hopefully this kind of thing wont happen as much. said it before ages ago ukmf are a joke, proven on so many occasions and now this to top it all off.....its a piss take tbh. No wonder most shows are using ISKA now at least you can have pretty much any judges you want, respected ie Daz Phillips and his guys always do a great job. Anyway get it on again Mark and do it some where that Spudkin and the rest of the circus cant fuck it up.

Thank you Andy I was with Steve when this come through, and it was the first time he laughed since, now it seems UKMF fucked it up Ryan was not alone, for all board members to vote to put that statement up, and not overturn the decission, its a real life scandle. All you board members that aloud that criminal statement under your banner UKMF are just that. CRIMINALS OF MUAY THAI, You are a discrace to the sport. Im so sorry beauty that you are a part of them, as you seem to be the only decent person in there. That decission is just so corrupt, the whole board is fucked up. I really never thought a whole board would vote those perthetic statements. How can anyone want to be in some thing so dirty and corrupt. Shit man that has blown my mind, all of you read the statements, read the resentment, The whole ukmf board voted this shit muay thai has hit the pit, with the whole ukmf board, god unbelivable, this really is not cricket, it must be some kind of cult to all vote this in.

Is this what anyone should intrust there children to walk into,
we are supposed to teach morals, honor, fairness, honesty, If i as a parent read this thread, I would not let my children near anything with the name ukmf. Your ukmf board had a chance to do the right thing, instead they make them selfs gods, and say if we make a misstake, we will lie cheat rob and you weak muay thai people will suffer it because even when the world knows we do wrong, we say no the world is wrong, and our board members word is final. Enjoy what i hoped would be the best org ever, another dream dead.

Andy that post is way disrespectful. A lot of people dont like you but they dont come on here call ing you a bellend and saying you look like something out of Busted do they.
Showin your true colors again you have an obligation to be a role model for the young kids that read this forum but look at what you just wrote.
This is just tragedy after tragedy.

Chris should have been head official - real shame as I dont think I have ever disagreed with his scoring etc at fights... top official and bloke.... would have had none of this nonsense... feel gutted for Steve - have had some of this previously but not at the same level ... lets hope its the last time

it is that, but all brought on by Ryan Rudkin, with the whole ukmf board behind him.

why does every thread have to involve julie kitchen?

WOW !!!!!!!!!!! its took me 1+ hours to read every post and by all accounts a Great show well done to the promoters and Fighters and gyms / trainers etc:

First off Great post on ALL the Points this topic is covering by Andy BC (spot on)
and ref: the score cards Mark?
well yes 1 each and yes the 3rd: judge card is a win to Stephen Wakeling the Problem "simply" lies in the "WORDS" on it and as Dave croft posted *Again a great post*

its All in my opp: this below and then that should be discussed with and as to how that was written and how ryan rudkin hasnt Discussed this with the judge and also IMO allowed Chris (head judge) to take the matter and as he tried to do it sounds like and USE COMMON SENSE as it wasnt very common in this !!
:-((( I feel for the Wakelings ......



Dave Croft
Posted: 2012-07-10 08:00:25

I have seen the cards. one judge for levin one for steve and one with the word DRAW written upon it.

Your beef is should be why that judge wrote Draw despite writing something contrary in the scores section of the card.

To reiterate. Craig O'Flynn was the Chief Judge, not Chris Podesta!

hawkman,the thread didnt involve julie until bill brought her up,i could easily have dived in above with this video to prove how crap chantal is and how all amanda had to do was pin her to a corner--but i didnt,i kept out of it,,but why choose to fight chantal whilst claire lives in london and asked for it and antonia clearly kicks crap out of her?? fact is amanda needed an easy contest to make up for her crap performance last time so bill could rant on how great she is compared to julie.....i joined in the conversation after bill compared amanda to julie..+ the fact that the same person who everyone backed up against me despite clear video evidence is lying again..if people like raymond bennett wiped the shit out of his eyes he would see it like the rest of the world..

great post from andy cant see how he is being disrespectful tbh...but it is the same case as andy v matt t--matt has a few good performances and everyone says he is in andys league already and andy must fight him,what about all the years of andys world class performances??--same scenario.

upcoming fighters need to be showcsed but should also remember the ones who have paved the way and show some respect.

Chantel is fighting Valentino shevencko sister there and this girls is wicked and so strong i would like to see her fight amanda. but maybe she a bit bit for amanda i dont know

Nathan you do have a potty mouth, you behaviour in this matter is that of a petulant teenager not a respectable coach. I hope the kids from your gym don't read this forum. I moved my comments to the relevant thread (Queen of Queens) - I agree with others that this thread is not the place for it. If you would like to answer my last question on there, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Nathan,

You appear to be going to a hell of a lot of effort to prove that Amanda is not worthy of a title shot at Julie. Surely the job of a great champion is not to pick and choose who is worth of a title shot but to accept whoever the general consensus is they should fight, and in doing so beat all comers. There is no doubt that there is a large majority of people that would like to see Julie fight Amanda and surely that in itself makes this an obvious choice as a fight. In his prime, Mike Tyson destroyed many unworthy opponents in the first few rounds, but that only added to his legacy. If you think that Julie is truely out of Amandas league, do what champions do,and accept the challenge that the paying public want to see. To not do so only reeks of picking and choosing suitable opponents and can only leave people with doubts and questions. I am personally a huge Julie fan and agree she would do very well against Amanda (or anybody) but I'd like to see that proved (as a warrior) in the ring - not by an academic discussion on a forum. Forget proving that Amanda is not worthy by posting evidence (you did after all already accept this fight once and in doing so must of thought her somewhat worthy) and let the girls fight. I'm certain she'll get a cracking payday from this and I cant understand how Amanda is SO unworthy that you'd want to turn that down??

ok guys , The levin and Wakeling debate has now moved onto another thread so should this Julie vs Amanda debate. Like ive said to both coaches i will put this fight on , on our next show (TBA)

Trust me the next show is big news and will hopefully get the exposure the show deserves and the fights that people want toi see. There will also be many other changes but ill keep you updated in due course.

well if chantals so shite..then why did the queen of female muay thai with multiple world titles fight chantal?

why didn't the queen of muay thai with umpteen world titles stop chantal if she is clearly so poor at muay thai?
...if chantal is so poor and cannot beat a top 10 fighter and you claim julie is number 1 and leagues ahead of teh competition then why didn't she stop chantal easily...didnt that fight go the distance?
..especially when you claim julie hits harder than a male thai national nak muay...doesn't quite add up does it?

fudkins alwasy been dodgy..he didnt change over night and most were pleased to get into bed with him and do business...i wrote on here years ago that you shouldnt have fuds like him involved with the sport and it should be in the hands of a group of respected peers like richard smith, mark wakeling, bill judd, dean white, steve logan, mick mullaney etc

you've lined fudkins pockets for years with his interclubs and he's wealsed his way into the sport..you only have to look at his overpirced tours and how he acts to know he's a monkeyboy...

i'm disgusted in the corruption and dissapointed for the wakelings being roobed and having the sheen taken off of their hard work and win...but i am suprised at the reaction to fudkin...its as if you never saw it coming...whats he ever done in the world of muaythai? yet he's involved with repping the uk on an international stage...was he ever even uk champ or that standard of a nak muay? was he fook.i dont beleiev some thai called him lion either more like lying

"well if chantals so shite..then why did the queen of female muay thai with multiple world titles fight chantal?

why didn't the queen of muay thai with umpteen world titles stop chantal if she is clearly so poor at muay thai?
...if chantal is so poor and cannot beat a top 10 fighter and you claim julie is number 1 and leagues ahead of teh competition then why didn't she stop chantal easily...didnt that fight go the distance?
..especially when you claim julie hits harder than a male thai national nak muay...doesn't quite add up does it? "

because julie fought chantal in 2007 and wasnt queen of muaythai and never had 14 world titles and wasnt world no1--she earnt all that through progression---dickhead troll--get your facts straight.

please put this debate on another thread , like i said earler.

I think a lot of people are forgetting Ryan is a kru and as so should be shown a bit more respect.

I also think Julie should be awarded the win on the Wakeling levin fight and for the scorecard not to give it to her is outrageous if she lived in London she would have definatley been the real queen by now as world wide she has more fans than Manchester united.

not more than man united but definitely more than ernesto hoost.seems your a fan of the wrong fighter.

sorry kk i did try.

Yeah right, the multiple k1 grand prix winner. Won it in front of 70 thousand fans at the packed tokyo dome, Julie couldn't fill a Cornish pasty.

Sometimes I think you get your wife mixed up with a real star, she's a good female Thai boxer but let's be fair who really cares?

Sandy, stop complaining , have you ever thought how long it takes us to read some of your posts?

Specially as we dont all speak Sandlish or use CAPS LOCK

:-)

@ Abdi Yusif...you really dont like Andy Howson do ya? Mate what he said werent disrespectable...and to be frank what hes done for the sport and the way he fights....he could pull his pants off and have a shit in the middle of the ring no-one would care! He is a legend and you seem jealous! As for Ryan Rudkin who looks like beebob from teenage ninja mutant turtles.....The whole of the uk muay thai community think he is a knobhead....are u gona come on and personally correct each and every one of us?

Skud187 you need to look up the word jealous a find out the meaning before you say someones comment is about jealousy. I never said i dont like Andy but in a previous post i said he comes across like a bit of a wanker. Two different things. so what your saying is that it is ok for people that have achieved a lot in the sport to come and say bad things and do bad things about people and do bad things and its ok because of who they are.
Another point is that you make up stupid names for him and to the point where it could even be classed as racist.
Just because you and afew other think he is a knobhead it doesn't meen you can gang up on a man does it. That just makes you look like a pussy.

Pom Deng delight

......Oi Abdi- drop me outta it will ya.....

could be classed as racist- innit!!!

@ Abdi you make a few valid points but chill out mate, u dont know me so dont be calling me names, Ryan is everything that everyone has called him and more! None of us on ax are attached by the nuts but the one thing we all share and that has made some of us speak out of term is the "Love Of Muay Thai" most of us live/breath/eat the sport!! Ryan Rudkin is fucking that up big time, so its not unusual to be getting unsavoury messages regarding him....the UKMF have a big responsibility and unless they fix up, muay thai in the UK will not progress.

Skud187, That is your best post yet, 101% agree. We all know Ryan would be pushed, and taxed to be in charge of stacking troiiies in tescos. Mark

BUT PLEASE USE OTHER THREAD, Kireon has asked for this one back, and he has been done over by ukmf just like me.

I love you howson hahhaha.and podesta is the nuts. Anytime hes judged me win or loss iv accepted.he is the man

WRSA are good org, fair and dont rip anyone off, with regard to gym insurance and licences etc id go with them over anyone else, they are only a phonecall away and steve who runs it is a good honest bloke, no rip offs for show sanction or titles either and the champions are getting stronger as the belts are defended example tim thomas world, mccormick european etc.

On a more positive note. Can the guys I stitched up please email me some pics for my scrap book please. Before and after if at all posible. Or post on Ax and i'll cut n paste

And as ive just had to replace my sutcher stock it reminds me to politely observe consumables arnt free. I dont charge for putting you back together but any donations are gratefully accepted.

Thanks

Dave

Is this like the cosmetic surgeons on the radio and tv at the moment that are not qualified to carry out the proceedures?

dave c, i'v not got any pics and u cant even see the scar cos its under my eyebrow. top job in keeping my handsome face intact :D
donation will be made when i see u next good sir :D

No worries happy to help

you should be able to zoom in on this

LOVE THAT PIC KEITH !!!

jm do you train you ask .you look so good when you train a picture of a perfect thai boxer lol lol to much

Thread back to norm so here's a nice vid from the aforementioned fight (few pics and then a bit of fight footage)

(ps: my first attempt at a vid and first you tube vid.. hope u like ;)

Nice Youtube composition there Kncokoutpics. Fantastic photos.

The vid is a little spoiled by the referee getting in the way of the action, perhaps a few more video clips of the other headline fights if you have them.

Steve looks like he carries the extra weight well

Why was that small live clip picked?
I'm guessing it has less to do with the fight and more to do with making Mark look out of order.
The C word is used a lot in South London and isn't meant to be as offensive as some would think! After all I would call Mark and old c... and he wouldn't bat an eyelid. Very political clip.
Having said that Steve was kicking him around the ring.

Where was Steve for EURO 2012, he could have kicked the Ukraine about like he did that Russian for England

Raymond, Thanks, was my first attempt. So sorry but that was the only bit of video clip I got cus was testing out the movie function on my new camera (I got lots and lots of photos though.. these guys fought good and so I managed to get 100's of pics ;) ... (ps: I will post the rest of the pics soon so please see my FB page ;). (OH AND PRESS LIKE) Thanks again for the comments ;)

Ash, please see my aforementioned paragraph... Hope u like the pics ;)

(ps: Does anyone know how to add a hyperlink on this forum.. I have tried but to no avail ;(

@Knockoutpics

[url=PASTE URL HERE]ENTER TEXT HERE[ /url]

*no spaces after the bracket though.

Rokdad, it seriously took me a quite a few attempts but I finally got it. Many thanks, you are a gent ;)

All, please click FB link below to EPIC pics of this event (Loads more pics to follow)... Hope you like ;)

CLICK HERE --> KnockOutPics Photos

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No problem Knockoutpics, have a look Here for a list of BBCode Tags. Not all of them work on here though.

wow... im gona have a field day ;)

Raymond. Sorry I was in the way.... lol :)

That's all right Jesse, but maybe you could kneel down next time ;-)

Fantastic pictures - how good is this guy!!

I wasnt at the show but these images capture it and really sell the show as a superb visual spectical regardless of who was on the bill. Looked a fantastic show

;) (blushing).. thank you so kindly for your words UMACREWE. I chose some random ones from the day... wait till you see the rest (1000's more pics from the London 02 show coming up)... (I got a martial arts background since I was 8 so think it helps a little)...

I do not charge for my photographs at mo, try and get money back into the gyms and to help make the sport bigger (only being doing photography proper for 6 mths so hopefully they will get better)... I work an average 14+ hour per day construction job then I am straight on a photoshoot, on my mac or doing a show as soon as I get home every day. (Really really want to do this professionally so need to put in the hours!!)

Two of most favourite things in the World MUAY THAI and taking pics of MUAY THAI

(plus 95% of the people I know fight or teach so I get to see all my favourite fighters ringside ;)

if you want me to come take pics (shows, fighters, anything MT fight related for FREE FB me or send us an email (I travel up and down the UK.. good excuse to see my family and mates)

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FULL FIGHT VIDEO...

levin wakeling
10 10*
10* 10
10 9
9 10
9 10


thats how i see it

From what I can see, Levin is a div. What a horrible style to watch and attitude. I'm all for entertaining but he's far too arrogant for his limited skill set lol

clear win for red corner not difficult to score, my 14yr old brother just got it bang on

Well it's all academic now as the official score is a draw and the governing bodies have decided that is how it stays. My scoring is just by what I see on this video and is no way official as I was not there.

I disagree that Levin has limited skill, he is a dangerous fighter with an awkward style that might not be to everyone's taste but nevertheless a fighter that should be respected.

In saying that I agree with 'Keepyerguardup' with the scoring.

First rounds were pretty close. Third round Levin pressured and scored more. 4th & fith rounds Wakeling scored big with the right kick to Levin's body:

ROUND LEVIN WAKELING
1 10 10*
2 10* 10
3 10 9
4 9 10
5 9 10

TOTAL = 48 49
WINNER = WAKELING

It was a clever fight from both fighters with Levin clearly trying to slow Wakeling up with body punches. Wakeling was moving away and leaning back from the head punches so no real effect was coming from those. Levin started pressing the fight more in the 2nd round but not enough for a clear win of that round. However he picked up momentum in the third and this was definitely his round. Round 4 saw Levin pretty much sticking to the same game plan but Wakeling scored better with his right kick to the body and won that round based on this. The fifth was a stronger round for Wakeling and again he scored well with the body kicks.

Wakeling for me scored better in the last two rounds and point wise was 1 up at the final tally. As he finished the strongest in addition to the point tally I would not have given it a draw.

An alternative score (if you were scoring it like a boxing match) without the stars would be:

ROUND 1: 9 Levin 10 Wakeling
ROUND 2: 10 Levin 9 Wakeling
ROUND 3: 10 Levin 9 Wakeling
ROUND 4: 9 Levin 10 Wakeling
ROUND 5: 9 Levin 10 Wakeling

So even with the 'alternative' score it's 47 - 48 Wakeling however that is not how Muay Thai is scored but it is still interesting to note.

This of course is just my opinion watching the DVD and in no way is official and against any of the judges that were there. What is clear from everyone who scores this on here, is that Wakeling definitely scored the last two rounds 10-9.

While I am on here is there any update as to the dispute as to UKMF saying the score card was altered and Craig O'Flynn saying it wasn't?

SHAUN

Limited skill might have been a bit harsh as he would batter me, sorry lol, but he really is horrible to watch and he makes it worse by being arrogant.

Even forums in America are talking about this fight and the controversy , please let me know of your thought also on twitter @xplosionfs

levin best round probably the 2nd but only edged it, most time he claimed he was hit in the balls he was being bodykicked i think 50-48 is fair, if you want to be harsh maybe 50-47.

08:10 is that the best bit lol

What the hell was the Swedish judge watching!
that was a clear win to S Wakeling,better scores all the way through,only rnd 3 levin looked to have some control:)

Agree with all the sentiments above.

It is different at ringside and it is easy judging without any pressure and with hindsight. Nevertheless, watching the video I would have given it by more than one point to Stephen Wakeling to be honest. I don't really think it was that close a fight. Levin didn't seem to score with much at all and complained to the referee without reason as far as I could see from the video.

just watched it,wakeling a clear winner ,levin relying on boxing and out of range elbows,on his kicking alone he won that,no wonder he is pissed of .

Just watched and Levin's far best round was R2. But a dot, not a round won. Steve was scoring really well with the kicks in R4-R5 and even Levin standing southpaw and attempting to block he was still moved and considerably losing balance, therefore position.

STEVE WAKELING 50-48

good post pisand

Would love to hear the Swedish judges interruption.of the fight , we have chris' and Craig's breakdowns when will we get his ?

Cheers Liam R. I do love that your younger brother got it right too. There's hope for the new generation, maybe the considerable misperceptions about scoring muayThai will fade. Didn't Tony or Shaun do some training of very young fighters and test them and they did quite well?

Not me Stephen but I wouldn't be surprised if Tony did

SHAUN

In fact I remember now, I wrote an article in Fighters magazine called 'Muay Thai - Rules!' about scoring and in my research for it Tony did conduct classroom tests with kids.

SHAUN

I'm not mental then :)

Just had chance to watch the fight, Wakeling won the fight there isnt even any doubt in my mind, I would agree with Tony on the camera angle but seeing Chris facing the cameras gave me an idea of what the other 2 judges could see, and tbh there isn't any reason why they couldn't pick up the scores, some of Wakelings kicks were thumping in so hard you could hear them land and could see the spray of sweat you couldn't miss them!

Just to be slightly critical about the video (sound issues aside), that logo is massive! It needs to be much smaller and maybe a bit translucent. Too many logos spoil the broth. I've been well guilty of that myself in the past. Just a head's up. x

Oh yeah, I reckon Wakeling nicked that by a point, too. I had it 49 - 48. Neither fighter TRULY dominated the other, but in terms of scoring, Steve took it nicely. My scorecard was the same as Shaun's, but without the stars for either fighter.

Mick, not sure what happened to the sound but am sure it came out fine, just a blip on the upload maybe .... I'm inclined to agree with you on the logo but again I'm not sure if this will be as big on the dvd. Cheers

This version has full sound and commentary.

Wakeling looks a beast. How did he change his body so much?

Clearly Vinnie and Michael were doing the commentary on a different fight to the one the judges were watching.
How can 2 such well resepcted men read the fight so different to 2 of the judges?

I noticed that in round 2 they refere to the extra padding in Levin anklets.
Does anyone know what it was?
I have heard it described as a plastic insert. Someone else said it was hard rubber compound.
I know the ref has said sorry for missing it from the start but I notice that following its removal Levin almost stops kicking. Infact from that point he throws less than 10 kicks in the following 3 plus rounds.
Clearly what ever was tucked in there was illegal as it was removed?
I'm asking this not because Levin was clearly cheating and not penilised in anyway for it but just to clarify the rules.
Also has the article been seized?
I would suggest that that alone could of been subject to an appeal to officials/organisation bodies..

I have not watched the fight before now. And honestly I think Steve clearly won.

I started to try and score the action as it unfolded but gave up and enjoyed the fight.

The video doesnt show the shin pad incident too well but i suggest that its use may have been to mask an old injury or to gain an advantage. im thinking the material its made of may having a baring on that. Either way its not right.

I know the debate here centres on the irregularity of the score cards (Craigs). But I think how the Swedish judge gave it to Artem is the real question?

yes by 3 rounds?

My understanding was that the padding over the instep under the ankle support was there to protect against injury. I saw it being used a lot with certain gyms and fighters, and when I questioned it I was told that they allow it in Thailand.
As I have done more research, I have found that it does increase the hardness of the effect of the kick. Also, the fighter is more confident in throwing a kick with a bad leg if they have them in.
Im not sure of the official ruling on them (and I will find out soon)but I dont allow them if Im reffing as do feel that it is giving an unfair advantage. With this fight, as I have previously stated, I missed them when I checked Artem before the fight (normally they are very obvious to see)but when I spotted one of them, I ripped it out there and then as everyone can see. Then between the round, I checked his other leg, and he had one there too so I removed that.

Agree, more needs to be asked about the Swedish judges scorecard??? Was way off!

Watching that fight reminded me though just what a fantastic performance Steve gave.

Zeb, you dont need to exsplain, the smoke screens being thrown up in there and here, even i missed them, and for my fighters, im better then refs at spotting this.

Thank you Dave Croft, some times people dont like your ways, or mine, we are all diffrent people, how boreing if we were not lol.

But one thing I know about you is in Muay Thai your a honest man.

And I am truely sorry, I missjudged you. I owe you a drink, next time i see you, and will shake your hand.
Mark

Atleast you might understand now why I was so upset.

Well said Dave.

It isn't just about the result any more, which was obviously the catalyst of the initial issues being expressed.

There are several inconsistencies:

1. The Swedish judges score card being so different to the other judges

2. Craig's score card not tallying with his final decision of a draw

3. The UKMF's accusation of score card tampering


4. Craig O'Flynn's explanation of the fight not corresponding to his score card or even the fight (after being viewed)

Non of these have been addressed to date

SHAUN

Also down to the swedish judges score card, is Stephan Foxes email of £15,000,000 dollars invested by Russia not on here ? I will look on thread later, if not get it from other thread.

The swedish judge was wmc, put in place by the only people that would not let Steve win.

With what they are trying to make us swallow, If Steve knocked him out, they would have disqualified him, or called it a know contest.

We all want money invested in this great sport, but not at any cost.

Do you really think UKMF Would not of already fixed the problem, if they were aloud to ?

UKMF is not what your signing up to, your signing up to one silly mans rule, and if UK muay thai was ruined, it would not effect him, as he has every other country eating out his hand.

We really need to control UK Muay Thai IN THE UK, where we need to make a living from it. And not have puppets controlled by a little man syndrome freak from another country.

He done it in Australia now he is doing it here. He is the most crocked thing in Muay Thai, and pollutes our sport from the very top.

We do have a choice, UKMF, WMC JUST LETTERS, dirty ones. WPMF, WBC, and what ever letters we want in UK muay thai clean ones.

We dont need to be ruled by letters if they are dirty and dishonest, they need us, or they rule them selfs, we dont need dirty filthy cheating letters, we need clean ones for our children, and there children to come.

Having watched the fight. Albeit from the videos angle. and firmly confident Steve won. I can no longer claim neutral impartiality in the debate.

I can say however; I understand a meeting is scheduled to discuss this matter and hopefully some light will be shed upon those areas in doubt. I am also aware delays in calling said meeting have occured due to illness.

It is therefore; with some optimism I say I am sure there will be a resolution announced soon.

Without going back over the thread I cant recall Chris's score card but from memory think it was 50/47 and I cant fault that ( i think if it were a title fight where score cards are collected after each round i might have scored rnd 2 to steve as well rather than rely on dots/dashes/notes to arrive at my final score 50/46).....But thats not important. What is. Is that the Swedish judge saw a completely different fight. Craigs score card tampered or not shows he was watching the right fight but in the final assessment decided to disregard his own score cards as a running tally of the action and announce a draw.

Fires come in two varieties. Some burn out others need putting out with positive action. This matter is firmly in the latter. Delay in addressing the issues has done little to douse the flames. Im sure the flames will die down but fear the lasting damage may take some time to repair.

The UKMF really need to get this sorted.
It's clearly a wakeling win. Man up to fox/wmc or they should hand their balls back in

Honesty, and truth, are stronger then any flames, and can end it quick.

Put things right first.

Offer us a way for all fighters and trainers to stop this happening again.

UKMF, Needs to hand all its judging and refs to Independent board, once we have fair play in place, we can start to move forward.

With ill health, people having operations, people on holiday, the UKMF still opened this thread, with slander, and lies.

We dont need to wait for another country to find a way to weasel out, or try another angle, we want UK muay thai to answer and answer now, through truth over the fire, put independent uk board incharge of officials, then no politics or money will, be let into our great sport. ANSWER SIMPLE AS

DONT WAIT FOR SIMPLE SIMON THERE IS NO MORE ROOM IN SAMUI FOR U.

when will the other fights be shown, missed some of the Daniel Terry fight but the bits i saw were quality

Are we sure that the 15m figure is dollars and not roubles.

15,000,000 roubles exchanges to just under £300,000 which is still a sizeable amount of coin.

Ben we can only take what Stepan Fox says in his email to KKeddle, Fox says 15,000,000 dollars witch i think is close to 9 mill. Witch is chicken feed for that country.