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-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-25 06:40:22
In the intrest of not wanting to polute the wages thread anymore , and to add clarity to the arguments.

Just wanted to start this ,
Scott Alan if in Dec you want it like you offered FC you got it.
My trainer has okay'd it so i'd love to punch ronnie.

For those not following , me and ronnie wer talking about a 2 leg fight after he was being offensive.
The first being 12 round FC , the second being full rules MT.

Well after him calling me out i'm here and waiting for the response of a yes.
muaythai postie
Posted: 2011-07-25 06:53:36
If this gets the go-ahead then ill defo be at it rooting for the Thai fighter obviously.I reckon the atmosphere will be amazing.
a.hustler
Posted: 2011-07-25 06:55:12
mmm interesting ronnie the shark clark 3x world champion v jonno jcb chipchase. will it happen? will ronnie bottle put of another match his mouth has got him into, probs i rekon. any hows good luck to both more so to jcb lol. thai boxing kicks ass!
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-25 06:58:55
Wow !! Hope this comes off. Jonno all the way for me. Ronnie wont have felt anything like a full-on Muay Thai kick before.
The Crippler
Posted: 2011-07-25 06:59:20
I'm looking forward to this, to honest after reading AX I'm slightly surprised that Ronnie agreed to the FTR fight so fair play to both of you.

I MIGHT even travel up to watch the FC fight too!!!
a.hustler
Posted: 2011-07-25 06:59:27
was also wondering what the rules are of fc? in reguards to kicking also is there clinch like western boxing stylee?
muaythai postie
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:00:06
A lot of the time some of the threads on ax are boring.I think this one is gonny be spicy.lol
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:01:42
we have studied footage of van damme kicking the tree so we have an idea of the thai kick ha, anyways ronnie wont bottle it, even with terminator saying hes gonna smash about 100 boys ha, should be good, if its a thai v kickboxing show scott, could we not get ryan lyall v paulinthailand at 70kg:P
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:06:01
LOL Jamie, I'd have thought with your confidence you'd have Ryan Lyall vs Liam Harrison at 67 ;)
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:07:45
I'll be there to watch both legs of this if it comes off!

Would be a cracker, a Thai Vs Kickboxing series would make a good 2 shows, first time one rule, then second show another rule?
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:18:32
Nah But i would say ryan is good enough to meet anyone in full contact. hence the reason he cant get a fight ha, if its a thai v kickboxing show its a good thing to be apart of i would imagine. Ryan maybe would not want it who knows? Would be a rivals show so im sure they would ask about. Cant wait;)
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:19:49
Agree with most on this. Definitely a crowd-puller, tickets from here alone would probably fill the venue ??

Also, yes, full respect to Ronnie for agreeing to fight FTR. Thats a helluva learning curve in such a short space of time. The mans got bollocks ........ until Jonno kicks them off. :-)
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:56:53
Waiting for the offer from stewart allan then will get it confirmed ;) who do I contact regards to this from jonno?
ActionPromo's
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:58:12
Both fighters have a lot to lose if they get beat in their own respective disciplines.

What will happen if they both win one bout each, do they have a rubber match?
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-25 07:59:48
My dads my trainer so if you e-mail me ,
jonnojcb@hotmail.co.uk , i can get it to him ,
we discuss it and he has the final ruling.
But hes already said hes happy with both fights ,
So its confirmed on our end , 3rd of dec for the first leg is 100% on our end ,
Just the purse , and second leg to sort out really
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:10:37
Contact number so I can speak get it arranged now! December has to be worth it pay wise for me as I am boxing the week before! if I had to pull plug on my boxing fight I have to have some gains and also I want to talk about contracts so neither of us have excuse as soon as fights are set!
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:11:23
Sorry Jonno just saw this thread. Didnt realise it was here when I started a new one about your fight.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:13:44
Its cool , appreciate your support.
Im exccited for the FC one quite alot because i love boxing but the FTR one should be great.
Iv not wanted to fight someone this bad in a long time.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:15:52
Sure on the contacts , and how are we going to get it 100% arranged now if we dont know the purses ?
If you email it wil be responded to asap , if thats not quick enogh i will give you my trainers mobile
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:20:46
why dont you step up to the task JamieMeechan, iv already said im gonna knock david fairfield out that night il have a dance with you too if you fancy it? i dont know who ryan llyal is and it has nothing to do with him with you lot being a bunch of cunts!
David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:28:31
Knock me out you belter you better bring an army with you cause trust me boy you are not capable
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:33:26
These two fights are sure to pull in a big crowd from both sides of the sport. To really make it interesting promoter should have both shows Thai boxing fighters V kickboxing fighters. First show being kickboxing, secound show being Muay Thai. Have all fights being a kickboxer fight a Thai boxer. To make it even more interesting have fighters top of their game on both shows. Dont know much about who's who in kickboxing but Muay Thai fighters you could have the likes of Tim Thomas, Liam Harrison, Andy Howson, James France, Michael Wakeling, Damien Trainor, Rob Storey, Dave Fensom. Danny Taylor, Greg Wooton, John Dennis, Panicos Yusuf, Luke Turner, Davie Mac, Andy Thrasher, Michael Dicks, Jordan Watson, Mathew Tieu, Craig Jose, Simon Chu, arnold Orborotov just to name a few. Imagine a fight card on two different shows with any of these fighters against the top fighters of kickboxing having it on. Promoter would need a massive venue and good wage but the return would be one that goes down in history. Id put my money on any of these Thai fighters to win against top level kickboxing fighters twice off.
Darren EFC
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:35:03
£100 on Ronnie needing stitches after the FTR fight, any takes?
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:37:06
i like jonno, he's a warrior who seems like a nice lad

i don't know fc but from what i've seen of ronnie clark i'd say the same thing, a warrior who seems like a nice fella

i'd like to think the scots are going to get behind ronnie clark and offer him some quality sparring and training in thai, i think ronnie has the harder task...kickboxing doesn't elbow and knee so ronnie has some new weapons to learn to use and defend against..it would be good if ronnie could get some help from rung, stevie meikle and other quality nak muay that are up the road

i'd be cheering for both fighters in this
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:40:24
Paulinthailand- check yourself before you wreck yourself, I said ryan lyall cause hes around your weight and its gonna be a thai v Fc show, your making a fool of yourself throwing all these threats about. U prob wont even come to the show ha x
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:51:06
fuck off mate im fuckin about as if i would come up scotland to watch a decent level uk level muay thai guy fight a 3 times world champion, it does on paper have mismatch all over it but i recon jonno could pull it off, jamie the amount of cod shit you and your lads talk you need winding up sometimes, david fairfield im telling ya! i promise this in life i am the same as the guy that gets on here im easy going but dont give a fuck, id say it to your faces too, i wonder if you lot would be so vocal, i recon you would turn into mice. i was speaking to a lad from eclipse gym this morning and he said in life you guys are ok and supported them when they got a bad call up your ways once. one of you lot called me a keyboard worrior and plastic gangster in the past, trust me you would shut your mouths.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:55:18
Paul , come, you can be in my corner with my old man and turner
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:57:53
i would love to but i recon i would get lynched! il come to the thai fight in england where only his nearest and dearest come and we can sort out our differences there!
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:59:04
i seen the type of people that go to his fights in scotland, its like "the hills have eyes 3!" i would get slaughtered and probably rapped
Ryan Meehan
Posted: 2011-07-25 08:59:24
Why dont you just have one fight under K1 rules. It should be fairly even in the rules that way. Or if you both think you can handle it go for MMA match in a cage.
gazbrook
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:05:18
Both you lads need paying well for hyping the fight alone. Will be a good fight and I will be rooting for Johnno since Thai Boxing is what I make a poor attempt at doing. But much respect to both of you.

As for the off topic bit (Paul vs the rest of the UK)

You need to calm down a bit mate, so much anger. Do you want a cuddle?
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:06:58
im calm as hell gaz but a cuddle would be lovely mate, these guys never stop talkin trash is all
Dan McGowan
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:11:14
cant wait to see some leg volleying in the FTR fight!
come on Jonno ;)
David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:15:49
Yes Paul we are as fair as they come. Your the one that keeps being disrespectful about full contact now thats fair enough im not its biggest fan. But I also cant stand Thai again personal choice. If you think I would Be a mouse your wrong I say what I think to anyone you have brought me into this I hardly even comment on this anymore it bores me. I will be at both fights dont worry about that. Instead of all this negative shit maybe you should get behind your guy and look forward to 2 great fights with 2 Warriors.
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:22:47
its a bit of banter in my eyes, you guys wind everyoine else up every time you come on here, i actually have to take my hat off to both lads for giving a go at something they are not used to.
David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:34:38
Paul banter in fine but your wanting to take on the whole of Scotland ha. Im looking forward to this I think you guys will be shocked at Ronnie when he does thai win or lose I guarantee it will be exciting and yes Ronnie might need stitches but lets see how many jonno will need. Hope you enjoy pain as much as Ronnie does cause im sure your gonna feel it
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:35:18
ha well go to both fights and we will be loud at both fights ha, not mice at all, and we are decent people too its just people who act like there it saying they will knock out the whole lot of his fans ha, wudnt happen in scotland or england, fact. its a great fight, both guys deserve respect,
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:39:02
there is only about 40 people in the whole of scotland anyway isnt there?
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:40:17
i didnt say the whole of his fans just a couple of you that get on here!
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 09:42:22
Yeh if u say so, u guys make out thai boxing to be so respectful etc, and make out we diss thai, hardly, i think the music during thai is annoying. apart from that its decent.
jonmfa
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:03:46
Back to the ft lads I think we all agree that both fters r a credit to there respective sports and r ideal candidates to rep fting style, both r warriors and both very tuff, as for jonno liking pain if u,d watched his fts u wouldn't ask that Q,all the best to jonno and ronnie for taking each other on not just in a battle ov words but in a battle for honour.
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:10:14
Paul just come to scotland pal im from there an im Thai all the way lol tht mean u only need to scalp and volley the legs off 39 of the FC crew lol :P.

I actually think in the FTR fight the clinch will be abig problem for ronnie, if u aint got a clue wot ur doing in there ur gonna get knee'd to death and scalped with some over the top/spiking elbows. I predict a stoppage in the FTR fight,

May i ask aswel whats gonna happen if say ronnie wins the FC fight and Jonno wins the thai fight, Rubber match in wot?

K1 middle ground perhaps, limited clinch or wotever.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:14:35
have you been watching highlander again old man :}
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:16:22
Doesnt really matter who wins what? ronnie just wants to fight and so does jonno ha, a fights a fight. Ps ronnie cant clinch for sheet, he has no elbows or knees either ha, and hes as weak as a girl, will be no problem for jonno in the full thai rules fight lol x
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:16:37
paul who were u talkin to from eclipse? unless thers another 1 its my gym. never heard of another eclipse would like to know where theyr from
chris podesta
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:24:51
so that fight is sorted, when is the MMA fight happening with Andy Howson and Ronnie Clark
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:32:39
im guessing its eclipse gym the FC gym that fran zuccala runs, and the fight between ronnie and andy howson will happen when it happens, hes got alot of boxing fights coming up with this fight with jonno aswell. give him time ha,
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:37:17
seriously jamie whats with all the ha's? must be great to find life so hilarious???
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:42:14
I am a kickboxing fan and rate Ronnie very highly, but has he ever seen Howson fight?... never seen Jonno so can't comment, but Howson is a machine!

Either way if these fights come off I am positive that they will sell a bundle of tickets!
David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-25 10:58:48
Craig spot on it goes both ways though. I think the Howson fight will be epic if in mma. Ronnie is also a machine and is very powerful. I think people dont realise your giving Ronnie more weapons in Thai I dont worry about the clinch as everyone thinks. I cant wait I know Jonno will get punnished bad in FC thai will be closer but I think Ronnie will shock everyone. I hope its put in contract that either party cant pull out 2nd fight. Dont mean this bad to you Jonno but after full contact not sure if you will fancy the thai. I have just watched Jonno there boxing no where near Ronnies level. As for the Howson fight there was talk before with no offer made. I think both fighters know how good a fight this will be think could sell out anywhere
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-25 11:14:08
how does it not matter who wins jonno is that not the idea of fighting in these sports dunno about u but i dont fight to lose.
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-25 11:14:49
how does it not matter who wins jamie is that not the idea of fighting in these sports dunno about u but i dont fight to lose.

doub le post i typed jonno instead of jamie
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 11:40:24
thank god for that bison thai! i was starting to think all scotish people (exceprt davie mac and big dougie of corse) were idiots!
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 13:17:53
yeh everything i put in that post was true;) also the bit about him hitting like a girl, or did i even tell uz that bit;) and yeh were all idiots ;) x
Muaythai King
Posted: 2011-07-25 13:33:03
Fuck you Paul you dick - just some some of them LOL
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2011-07-25 13:37:26
Think it may be pragmatic to have someone hold the purses from first fight until second fight takes place,
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-25 13:48:46
Just seen some footage of Ronnie on You Tube. That southpaw wide stance he has will have Jonno low-kicking it to hell and back.

I truly believe Jonno will get a stoppage against Ronnie even in the FC bout. I'm not taking away from Ronnie's achievements, but the kicking in FC just isn't anywhere near the power of MT. If Jonno plays it right, he could wear Ronnie down within 8 rounds.

Dont shoot me, it's only my completely biased opinion. :-)
ryan lyall
Posted: 2011-07-25 14:27:53
am lost folks is this fight set? and if so where and when??

and as for throwing my name about i dont fight thai (YET) but if theres a fight goin f**k it get me in there

David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-25 14:33:55
Ryan you get post of the day for that one. Fight is in the process of being agreed I cant wait for it Thai community really under estimating Ronnie here with comments like tippy tappy. Looks like december time for the full contact fight
Kasat Therapy
Posted: 2011-07-25 15:00:40
Oh dear - Ronnie "fake lacoste tracksuit" Clark.

Jonno will absolutely destroy you FC, please think twice about the fight - and don't even think about a thai fight.

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THIS FOR ME AS I DONT FOLLOW THE SPORT TOO MUCH - How will Ronnie kick jonno in FC without his sparring pads and moon boots? wont he just break his toes and foot???

Wheras Jonno will just break his shin across sharky clarkys face ahahahaha.

Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-25 15:25:01
nah not all of us paul big thai boxing following in scotland
The Crippler
Posted: 2011-07-25 15:30:20
I think that Ronnie HAS been training clinch and elbows due to the fact he's talking up MMA fights, however, I hope he understands that JCB is an Elbow monkey and depending on whos teaching him....clinch for MMA & Thai aren't always that similar.

And why is the FC fight being modified away from the rules and fighting no pads #JustAsking?
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:15:36
ronnies brother dabbles in wrestling so i take it he has as well, hence the reason for the big mma shout. would love to back ronnie for this (especially after pauls stupid, little englander style, comments) but jonnos my mate.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:38:08
U guys need to do some research, Ronnie has had 5 thai fights already:S he fought out in thailand when he was on holiday, stopped 4 of his opponents and lost 1 closes decision on points but one of his wins was a rematch against the boy, cannot wait, ronnie chose to fight FC;)
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:40:31
shut up, if you like MT your a scot yes but one of our kind of scots. you know not like a stupid one and that! come on keith man, dont be hating on me playa!
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:45:12
Where did Ronnie fight in Thailand?
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:48:41
Who ever is promoting this lets not have the card with only one kick V Thai fight. Have the whole card Kick V Thai as that way it will keep both sides of the fans interested in the whole show.

And that goes for the follow up Thai fight.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:51:44
Ryan Lyall V PaulinThailand;)

He said he wanted a fight so give him one, :P
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:52:38
that would be a great idea two fan bases hit with one show also.
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:57:06
Who from FC is up for harrison or Watson?.... Anyone? Lol
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:02:03
that young scott allan would be perfect for dean j!
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:05:49
Will it be kickboxing judges for the first fight and Thai judges for the Thai fight? Firstly theres no point doing 12 rounds for the Thai fight. Have 12 for the kick boxing and 5 x 3 minutes rounds for the Thai. How many minutes rest is there in between rounds for the kick boxing fights?

With regards to the judges as long as fair and un-biased good judges are at both events there should be no problem.

Lastly for the Thai fight we will need a quick response medical team with a stretcher to come to immediate attention for Ronnie " The Man Eating Great White Shark with razor sharp teeth and fins like a shield of steel" Clark when he is either bleeding bad on the floor or has a vicious broken leg. ;-).
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:08:05
There isnt one person in kickboxing who would win against Liam Harrison, Andy Howson, Jordan Watson and Arnold Orborotov.

Fact.......
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:13:43
What world do you guys live in, the guy is human, 2 legs, 2 arms, 2 elbows as u all keep going on about and 2 knees, ronnie is the exact same, u all make out as if ronnie wont use his elbows or knees ,
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:23:16
Yes he has the same weapons but the problem is he cant use them. And theres no way he has enough time and ring experience to learn how to use them. You see Muay Thai is not very flashy, but very effective. The conditioning involved is strenuous. Takes a long time hitting the bag and pads to get them as strong as Thai fighters. Word of caution Ronnie. Do not start to hit banana trees and whack bottles on your shins as it does not work.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:25:19
Word of caution, ronnie has steel shins due to a bad accident as a child so would be very hard to break steel i would think??
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:33:18
i'm an MT fanatic and jonnos my m8 so i'm with him, doesnt mean i have to like your comments abt all scots being idiots.
on a side note dean james would destroy scott allan, dean is huge at the weight and has devastataing knees, scott got beaten off stevie lochhead, no disrespect to stevie hes a decent fighter but i dont think he would last a round with dean who is on a whole other level to him and having watched dean a few tmes i think he is truly a world level knee monster
marcfreefight
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:40:25
great thread but fuck me paulin thailand talks some shit.have there seen his fight on youtube
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 17:42:03
i seen him looking kinda creepy when a GUY was rubbing oil on him, looked like he was enjoying it a bit too much, was that ur cum face ha?
Yogendra Parekh
Posted: 2011-07-25 18:38:38
Just wondering guys has anyone shown a interest in running the Muay Thai bout between you too?
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-07-25 19:13:09
Just off to watch paulinthailand on youtube but on another note this is all getting silly with people saying he will do this or he will do that lets just wait and see there is no need for 'aggressive' speculation on the outcome.
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-07-25 19:32:46
Hey paulinthailand like ya attitude fella just watched ya fight....
SSSSssshhhh elbow of death.
Funny shit.
That canadian bird laura id smash her back door in though.
Pmsl
Sit Ayu- Andy
Posted: 2011-07-25 19:33:52
I'm going to make a crazy prediction here! I reckon that IF both fights were to take place Jonno would win the Thai fight and Ronnie would win the Full contact fight. If both guys were to train hard for their opposing disciplines, by seeking out and training with good sparring partners etc, they would put in a good account of themselves but not quite pull off the win.

The big IF (IMO)is whether not ANY of the two fights will even happen.

The MMA fight is an altogether stranger request. Who originally posted the challenge? I personally think Ronnie must be confident in the knowledge that he has built up some wrestling ability, a massive advantage in MMA, if he was to either offer or accept that challenge. Again I think an MMA fight would be highly unlikely and less meaningful in terms of answering the original question...
"what's a more effective form of stand up fighting, Muay Thai or Kickboing?"
Colchai
Posted: 2011-07-25 19:40:51
Muay Thai.
Sit Ayu- Andy
Posted: 2011-07-25 19:44:22
'KickBoing' is a new sport that I invented!
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-25 19:46:46
This is like a school yard battle... No talk of the thai fight but shall be into next year... The kickboxing may be set december time... Looking to do thai vs kickboxing... Hoping for ryan lyall vs paulinthailand sorry not sure his surname... Got youth at 56kg who willing to do both ways... Would like young scott allan in on this but keep in mind scott can do as low as 52kg...

Anyone interested email me ronald-clark@hotmail.co.uk

Yogendra Parekh
Posted: 2011-07-25 20:06:28
Will be happy to run the Thai fight in the Midlands next year if both parties are game!
AndyBC
Posted: 2011-07-25 20:25:01
I doubt either will happen but we can only see. On a side note the talk of me and Ronnie last year, an offer was made to his camp for a Thai show in Scotland but he wanted insane money and would only fight fc. Now i dont care but i will never fight fc end of.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-25 21:43:52
ok ive whizzed through most the posts please can we have a update and exact situ?
1. Whens the first fight? and where/ and how many rounds / rules? etc: cheers

2. same re: Thai Bioxing re-match?
cheers
David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-26 01:42:00
Andy an offer was not made by anyone at your camp I still have all the emails as for insane money. Ronnie asked for the exact same as he gets for his fights now and if you dont get paid near that its a poor state I would expect at your level and with how big Muay Thai is that you would get more. Andy the fight that was offered to you was same as whats happening now one of each. I was told we would get a offer for a thai fight we never. Both fights were going to be Scotland so would have expected 50 to 100 fans for Ronnie so purse shouldnt have been an issue. This fight will happen if Jonno wants it
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-26 02:18:55
marc your a worm mate, what have you ever done? have you fought? stay nameless, you probably have nothing to do with muay thai and are affiliated with this bunch of cronies anyway, dont bother me unless you are prepared to stand by your words with a name, atleast these lot (some of them) are real people!
Fensom
Posted: 2011-07-26 04:09:49
Lovin the banter on this ;)

Gotta luv Jonno's style as he'll fight anyone and does what a lot of people only talk about doing! Fair play to you mate! All the best with this, reckon the hype could make it pretty interesting ;)
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-26 04:26:33
Thanks Dave , means alot mate.
Same , my next two shows iv never been so up for.
Going to be storming
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-07-26 04:27:10
Thai is a more effective and devastating stand up art if theres any question about that for any of you then your ignorant. Any thai boxer at a decent level would easily beat someone who has spent their career as a kickboxer in Thai Boxing rules never mind FTR unless they spent a long time paying full attention to the additional parts of the art and making changes to existing technique!!! (and thats coming from a career kickboxer)

I see kickboxers on here regularly underestimate the devastating effect of Low kicks and clinch but things like catching kicks, long knees and elbows make this an impossible task without at least 12 months training and several lower level Thaiboxing fights.

It needs a massive style adaptation. As for Ronnie vs Howson - behave yourself the guys a legend and an absolute beast he'd completely overwhelm Ronnie in 2 or 3 rounds. This is not meant disrespectfully but you need to realise that what you normally do wouldnt work anymore - the distance is different, you cant shoot in with your fast boxing combo's as you would get your leg kicked off, you ribs smashed in or catch an elbow straight through the middle. The advanced knowledge an experienced fighter has of the clinch means they would be able to easily physically control you and put you where they wanted in the ring whilst they kneed the shit out of you as a few months of intensive training cant match up to years of experience in clinch. This is serious shit and FTR against a very strong, talented and experienced Thai fighter is not something anyone with little or no experience of clinch, low kicks and elbows should be entering into with extensive training and an open mind to change.
Jimobob
Posted: 2011-07-26 04:37:31
I'd pay to watch both these fights. My personal opinion is they'd both win there respected disciplines. Jonno fighting 12x2 would be interesting as it's probably a distance he's not used to, however we know Ronnie has done distance. I'd say Ronnie will easily adjust to 5x3, however with little experience of elbows,knees & clinching I'd say jonno should win the Thai fight. I think both fights will come down to key things - how jonno handles ronnies hands and the pace of an FC fight and how Ronnie handles leg kicks and the clinch/inside knees and elbows.

My opinion only and if I was still in FC I'd love the challenge of having a go at Thai . It'll be a great event to be apart of. Good luck to both fighters.
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-26 04:55:49
I love this... Alot thai boys egging this lad on as they too scared to do the alternative fight themselves... Maybe howson beat me thai and jonno but they wont stop me and for the full contact I know I would stop both them at that... Jonno is probably confident he will stop me thai... This makes for the excitement...
peterbar
Posted: 2011-07-26 06:30:21
Just watching these two fights alone confirms to me just how how bored I get watching kickboxing fights. Apart from the boxing everything else from the kicks to the trousers just bore me. The kicking is just so so dry.



Thai really is a vicious sport where everything is so much more effective and so much more to see. It really is a game of chess. Much more interesting to watch.

Liam R
Posted: 2011-07-26 06:46:13
i dont see the point in this, why on earth would u wana fight kickboxing after fighting thai? Its sh*te
NMT
Posted: 2011-07-26 06:49:41
Perfect
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-07-26 07:03:49
its more dangerous, maybe ronnie didnt fancy gettin sliced up, as we know can happen to any1 fightin ftr
JimmyChoo
Posted: 2011-07-26 07:57:20
Full contact kickboxing is like some sort of bad joke. It's like a sport for shit boxers. The kicking, trousers and boots are just cringe worthy.
Jimobob
Posted: 2011-07-26 08:12:17
Enjoyed jonno's fight against the Thai. Out of interest what was the result as it's not on the clip?
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-26 08:20:58
now tyhat is tough!!! it hurt to watch that second round. cant beieve he walked through all of those knees
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2011-07-26 12:44:41
Has there been any other kick v thai interested? Would be great to get some of the best fighters from both worlds in the ring, maybe 6 rounds alternating between styles, maybe a draw for which comes first? Like golden belt hardcore without the mma etc, 8oz gloves and no footwear or shins?

There are loads of class fights out there.... Anyone think of any?....I'll start

Andrew Tate v Jordan Watson?
ryan lyall
Posted: 2011-07-26 13:09:31
craig thats a good shout. thats a ggod shout and probably the fairest way to do it
matthew goulden
Posted: 2011-07-26 13:25:03
aside form the fact that this is pointless.i reakon Jonno would stop the kickboxer before the end of 5 rounds in a FTR and in a FC fight it will most likely go the distance with Jonno losing on points.Waste of time I rekon.maybe good to get the punters in?
marcfreefight
Posted: 2011-07-26 14:29:12
elbow of death what a twat
AndyBC
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:06:51
David Fairfield you plank i have never been made any offer what so ever?? If you consider you saying "fight 12 rounds of shitboxing" against him an offer then nice but it isnt and wasnt. I was informed that Brian had been in touch with whoever needed to be to make an offer k1 and it was turned down unless x ammount was paid so for what i have been told yes you guys turned it down, i'm going on what i was told. I have never made it a secret i wont ever EVER fight fc cause it bore the turd out of me and i wouldnt ever bother with it. And as for you Ronnie you stop me?? In fc?? Now you may be good at wat you do but realise 2 things, 1 i would be moving up 5kgs to fight you and you still couldnt stop me no matter what, and 2 i have only ever been stoppped twice in my life in almost 60 fights and i fight the best, once by 1 of the best thai's out there who snapped the ligaments and tendons in my knee and by 1 of my best mates (cheers deano)with a cut and i wanted to carry on and did go insaner trying to but cuts too bad. You wouldnt, and couldnt stop me you dont have the skills to its a fact, on the flip side i would destroy your legs and cut you to bits in thai, the thing is this whole thread is piss poor pathetic (funny though) end of the day, your fc crew think you will win in fc and we all think/no jonno would win thai so whats the point?? Going round in circles and just boring. You go enjoy yours and we will ours. I'm certain neither of these fights will ever happen so whats the point anyway. I hope i'm proven wrong but doubt it.
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:15:22
You know your gagging to put on a pair of shiny trousers Howson why dont you admit it??

You'd rock a nice pair with a bum flap on!! lmao
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:20:18
Ronnie said in full contact, ur coming on here saying ull never fight full contact yet saying he wudnt stop you. then complaining about going in circles, yet your own comment is irrelevant :)
Dean Sugden
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:28:03
K-1 is surely the answer and test for both styles and fighters to decide who is the best!!
stewart buchanan
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:33:35
agree if there a fight with johno and ronnie its can only be k-1 any other talk is a waste of time.
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:36:35
thai or fc a punch is a punch a kick is a kick and he wouldnt stop andy howson or jonno.
chris podesta
Posted: 2011-07-26 18:08:00
this thread is wank. full of oxygen thiefs
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-26 18:15:30
Atleast you guys are all the same, single minded, arrogant and dilusional,disrespectful, only seen about 4 of u who are fairly decent. Who needs an army,budget cuts, dont need guns etc u guys have ur knees and elbows;)
The Crippler
Posted: 2011-07-26 18:25:00
Tate is a GREAT fighter but not sure even Amir could boil him down to Jordans weight? I know it was hypothetical but TBH I dont think its a fight either have anything to gain from.
Tate is no ordinary KB kicker either, and Jordan is a monster! Hypotheticaly it would be very interesting.



The Crippler
Posted: 2011-07-26 18:28:02
Pretty sure Jonno's only taken the fight to shut the lovers of Ronnie.

AndyBC
Posted: 2011-07-26 19:27:16
Jamie you really bore me, just get your head out of your arse and shut it mate. My comment makes total sense, i will not ever fight fc, its wank and boring and no he wouldnt, couldnt stop me, no matter what fighting style it was in end of. Now i'm gunna stop chatting on here so i suggest you do the same about me, if you do then this is going to just keep going in circles, lets make a deal. I wont comment on here again if my name aint brought up by you or your lot yeah? End of convo as far as im concerned. But lbh we all no you cant just shut it and leave things, so pretty sure i'll have to come on again.
alanrebelsw
Posted: 2011-07-26 19:58:11

soreshins1
Posted: 2011-07-26 22:58:20
want to see this happen just so the wee dundee gadgie muppets get shut up
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-07-27 00:34:23
Jesus!!! - shine a light!!, what a boring thread, full of jumped up pricks spouting shite, and not really achieving anything other than making themselves, and everyone else in both sports look like complete idiots.
I like to see most of the gobshites on here concentrate on actually learning to fight properly instead of living in their little dream worlds and just talking about it!!!
Fucking ridiculous talking about enjoying pain and stitches - what a laod of bollocks - its you set of mugs that hold the sport back - well apart from the morons that like to watch idiots fighting stupidly and getting banjo'ed all over or cut, or both!!

To me Kick boxing is just an american bastardised sport - basically just boxing with a few kicks added in - doesn't there have to be a minimum number of kicks each round??
Not saying it's good or bad, just a half sport as such, unless you actually use the kicks as a real offensive weapon, and unless low kicks are involved it not very realistic is it?
And Thai Boxing is supposed to be a more intelligent sport, full of tactics and strategy, due to various fighters strengths and weakness's within the various weapons used.

Anyway this thread is bollox - if you want a fight sort one out, don't just keep blowing your own trumpets talking about it - and the rest of you - keep the fuck away from it, with your bull shit opions!!

paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-27 01:25:33
sorry thrash!
Liam Hogan Bad Co
Posted: 2011-07-27 04:04:45
Thank god for thrash!
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-27 04:07:42
Lmao i love you thrasher
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-27 05:24:21
put me down for 120kg il fight jamie meechan. jesus christ your that far up ronnies arse i think jonno will be fighting both of you.. whats the crack with it are you brothers? cousins? stablemates? or do you actually wanna be him? good luck to jonno and ronnie. but i think there will only be one outcome in ftr. you cnt learn to defend and execute knees and elbows in such a short period of time. as for fc??? dnt know how its scored. all a bit strange fc!
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-27 05:40:39
120kg? id need to diet to get to that lol, and that far up ronnies arse? hardly, we havnt claimed hell do anything, we have only said he wont be no pushover, unlike all u who are saying jonno elbows of death and everything, like a gay man crush, yeh FC is strange, about as strange as ur gay dancing and ur gay music, going into the ring dancing like a hula girl:)
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-27 06:06:02
Why do all u thai guys insist on insulting me?! I never talk down thai... But all u guys talk me down as I am some kind of shit... Infact u talk down all full contact!!! Maybe you should read how disrespectful u guys are and how far up one anothers asses u are! Grow up and get a life... As I said before when me and jonno fight is when you can the comment on my tippy tappy, flick boxing in shiny pants...
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-27 06:13:01
dint disrespect you ronnie???although your number one fan just been direspecting the gay music and gay dancing. perhaps you kickboxers should research why the music is played etc
Jimobob
Posted: 2011-07-27 08:32:58
Perhaps the Thai boxers should also research why kickboxers where trousers?! It's all about tradition and where the sport began. Let Ronnie and Jonno fight and stop dragging both sports down by insulting one another. This fight could be a real cracker and could be the start of lots of cross over fight agreements. This may bring more interest to both our sports and would certainly inject more revenue, which in turn could improve the wages paid to fighters. Let's embrace the fact that these 2 fighters are prepared to step outside there comfort zone and mix it in the other sport.
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-27 08:47:50
kick boxers normaly are fatter right?
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:05:17
Haha Gay dancing and music - are actually rituals dating back a few hundred if not thousand years, paying respect to ones Kru or Ajarn who are in the corner, it's also used as a warm up for stretching and for a display of balance, which helps the gamblers pick who they want to bet on first.
I'm not actually insulting Kickboxing, as I say when there are low kick rules and the kicks are used as offensive weapons instead of just to reach the prescribed quota of the rules, before they then switch to mainly boxing, I think it is a good fight, seen some very good kick boxing fights actually - my problem is the people who just seem to insult each other for no reason,
Paul, I know you well mate, and know you are mainly just winding people up who piss you off, within reason lol
My earlier post was a bit of a rant, but I stand by what I say that this silly bickering just makes us all look like childish knobs to anyone outside of both sports, and don't think it does us any favours - like I said lets all just concentrate on learning our respective sports as best we can, arrange the fights if you want them, and then let the results speak for themselves - I think it would make a good show, or series of shows to match thai fighters against Kickboxers, in each respective discipline, or how about match them against each other at each fighters discipline, agree on a scoring system - and then just have a fight - thai style vs Kickboxing and see who comes out on top - I won't speculate on results but would look forward to watching any fights like this, which might actually bring us all a bit closer and maybe respect each others sports a bit more.

Just out of interest, can anyone from the kickboxing community answer my question regarding whether there is a minmum amount of kicks that must be thrown in each round???

Also I believe the Golden belt team have something like this in place already that has a round of KickBoxing, a round of thai boxing, a round of Boxing etc, ( I'm not sure of the other disciplines involved )
DanUK
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:11:35
Thrashpants, Some orgs have minimum kick requirements, usually 8 per round [thats landed/thrown with intent], but some dont.
paul pearson
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:17:06
Good posts Andy,all this bickering isnt taking either sport forward.

Im unsure if the min kick count is still in force with some Kickboxing associations,but do know it was brought in to the sport to stop the influx of boxers coming in and punching people out without kicking,
this did happen in the early days of Kickboxing,my first fight in the ring was against a southern ABA boxer veteran of 65 contests(got a draw coz I kicked like fcuk all the way through):)
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:24:06
I knew years ago a british bantamweight champion and it used to be 12 kicks per round min above the waist and if im not mistaken it was known as pko or pka and the organisation went kapput.
I saw him fight once defending his british title and in about 1.5 seconds he had done a left roundhouse to the lads head followed by a right reverse spinning kick followed by another left leg roundhouse to lads head.
As for his fitness he used to run from wilmslow to manchester with a rucksack of weights on his back and i mean run not jog running fast.
Fast wasnt the word ive not seen anyone as fast ever and he could box too went onto pro boxing but got banned i think cos of his previous pro fc career not being disclosed.
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:39:47
Thanks lads, I thought that was part of the rules, but then wondered why I never saw a single kick thrown in some fights lol.

So basically I'm right, that it is basically just boxing with a few kicks thrown in?? - not all fighters granted as I've also seen some that throw a good amount of kicks.

To be honest I think the sport would be more exciting if they didn't wear the foot protection, up to them if they want to wear the sexy trousers or not ;-)

But just read the other thread and can't understand how the finesse and intricacy out weighs that of Thai boxing, only someone uneducated in thai boxing could make such a bold statement - Surely it stands to reason that 8 weapons, plus the clinch is far more intricate than 4 weapons, and as for finesse??? - take Sanchai Globally for all round style, and to name one in the UK Dean James for his Clinch work, and Liam H is pretty amazing all round, good style, excellent power, good boxing and very clever clinch work.

Also people saying how Thai Boxers aren't better boxers( with their Hands) - rubbish - a good example of this is former Thai boxer Scott Quigg, who was very good at thai boxing, undefeated I think, who has been pro boxing for a few years now and is undefeated in that, fighting against world class opposition and has just secured himself a world title shot last weekend - and also as I think about it, Ricky Hatton also started out Thai Boxing, and look where he went to in the Boxing world - the narrow mindedness really does need to stop for both sports as a whole to progress - think of the ticket sales if we could promote both styles on the same shows - two styles basically means twice as many punters through the door, and this can only mean more money for the fighters etc.

Just my opinion though !!
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:46:40
Sorry the start of that post should have read
"I thought that was part of the rules, but then wondered why I never saw a single kick thrown in some rounds" lol

paul pearson
Posted: 2011-07-27 09:56:35
PKA the kick of the 80s as it was known then,the PKA had some great fighters in it years ago,check out Bad Brad Hefton he could jump spin back kick to the head and he was a heavyweight,or UKs own Arthur O loughlin,man that was one tough Kickboxer.

I prefer Muay Thai but can appreciate any Fighting sport when done well,we should be working together not seperate imho:)
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-07-27 10:02:24
andy piss off wi all ur sensibleness lol
muaythai postie
Posted: 2011-07-27 10:37:02
I think Andy is only being sensible bcoz Ronnie is Scottish and doesn't want to come across all racist again like he did on the supershow thread when he said he was looking forward to visiting us jock bastards.lol lol.that's a joke mate,I know you love us or at least a wee bit more than Pailinthailand does.lol.
KAT :-)
Posted: 2011-07-27 11:45:08
'think of the ticket sales if we could promote both styles on the same shows' ...Think Thrasher makes a good point
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-27 12:04:10
Think of the money is the problem with the sport.... Maybe some people should concentrate a bit on the sports... Too many chiefs and not enough indians... X
JP
Posted: 2011-07-27 17:00:38
So are you two ladies fighting or just comparing handbags ? :p x
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-07-28 00:00:19
Yeah well there are a few of us that like to make a full time career out of our sport Ronnie, so I'll concentrate on the money pal, that's what pays my bills ;-)

And sorry for being sensible lads - I know it's out of character, I don't know what came over me.
And I certainly have no problem being racist when it comes to you Haggis eating bastards hahaha

And that is a joke before any of the girls above starts crying:-)
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-28 01:03:22
ah well it will All boost ticket sales for both lads good drills then they will make some money for Fighting as they BOTH Deserve
and Thrashe McBash 500 pressups most swearing in 1 post this year lol ya mad head !

and a quick and serious question? will Johnno have to wear Full contact trousers? and do they wear shin pads and boots under them? or will he be able to wear shorts? and what will Ronnie wear when he fights Thai?

Serious questions as back in the day we all used to fight kickboxers and at their rules and proer Kickboxing ( by proper i mean they allowed low Kicks )
i fought FC and Kickboxing and i wore my Thai Shorts in Every Fight, but the FC and Kickboxers kept their long pants on ( no problem btw )
Jimobob
Posted: 2011-07-28 02:15:14
It should be as per the current rules therefore both men should wear the gear of the respected sports. Jonno wears trousers when fighting kick and Ronnie wears shorts when fighting Thai. I believe Ronnie agreed to no moon boots (as u call em) for the kick fight.
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-07-28 05:29:31
tht'l b a weird 1 for jonno, wearin trousers while fightin.
TyRi
Posted: 2011-07-28 05:37:42

Hahahahaha...
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-28 06:58:36
there is no way on this earth jonno will wear them trousers, he would be the laughing stock of the my world!
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-28 07:04:01
MT world
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-07-28 07:49:07

Sandy the differance between 'proper' as you put it was W.K.A. was leg/low kicks allowed whereas P.K.A. was kicks above the waist only.
Nothing watered down just different sports/styles.
And do you get hold of those boots from the 'DAMART' catalogue.
Lol
jonmfa
Posted: 2011-07-28 08:30:30
Don't think jonno wil b wearing pants he can stick to fc rules with his thai shorts on and ronnie has already stated no padding so no need for the pics:) I hav already sorted a thaiboxing promoter to put return thai bout for feb/march so its down to u now ronnie to get this fc ft sorted,jonno is free dec and really wants this to happen,this can only b a good thing for both thaiboxing and kickboxing,we r not expecting a tip tappy ft ronnie is a serious danger, we look forward to a grt new challenge and I for one hope we can all show each other the respect that's deserved.
Jon chipchase MFA
splinter
Posted: 2011-07-28 08:47:04
Well said big jonno, from what i have seen ronnie isnt a bad boxer, only seen you tube videos but he looks half tidy at what he does, and from what i know of little jonno he will give a good account of himself so everyone will be a winner. As soon as some sort of contract is sorted for both fights then all the animosity should stop and evryone get behind these two warriors and buy your tickets cos it should go down a storm.
good luck to both, but the only thing is december is too far away so hope it still comes of.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-28 08:55:39
Thanks Mr Harrison :)
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-07-28 09:42:30
Hi Jonmfa i was only trying to inject some of my bad humour into the thread btw no offence intended to Mr Clarkes chosen gear.
Dean Sugden
Posted: 2011-07-28 10:03:49
I have a show on 10th Sept 2011 at Kelham Hall Newark Nottighmashire and if expectations are sensible I would consider putting it on. 6 weeks on saturday :-)

Dougie MC - will testify to the professionalism of our shows.

I also am looking for a fighter around 72.5kg to fight against an experienced Full Contact fighter under K-1 rules (knees to body and head) No head guards but shin & insteps due to age and activity of opponent.

He has had 2 K-1 fights 2w but lots of ring experience but mainly as a junior. He is 17 years old.

Please contact me with details if you are interested on dean@newarkmartialarts.co.uk

Cheers

Dean
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-28 12:09:00
we'd be up for that dean , Jonnojcb@hotmail.co.uk
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-28 12:10:42
E-mail me to talk , and get in contact with ronnie , its his call now. Yogi will put the FTR one on , if u put this one on its on!.
+ , as my dad said. I dont think ronnie is flicky just so people know , hes a tough strong puncher , and it will be a hard fight FC. Very hard, im going to be very fit , I dont think he will stop me though. And thai is a different matter
David Fairfield
Posted: 2011-07-28 12:25:26
Ronnie has stated 3rd september, 15th October and 26 novemeber he has boxing fights it has to be after them and you have been told this Jonno. So unless there is a promoter late december or early january. if anyone has shows any those times get in touch. Then he wont be fighting until April as his 1st child is Due Feb. So any offers would need to be after that.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-28 12:35:13
Oh yeah , sorry i have a bad memory , aha got excited for a second. My bad
Scott Allan
Posted: 2011-07-28 16:12:23
Spoke with Ronnie yesterday regarding the fight in december, he's up for it! And also up for returning the favour in FTR, I'll email you in the morning Jonno with regards to fight purse contracts and ticket commission ect! Let's see if we can't make this an epic WAR, whats your e-mail address bud? Is it the ''jonnojcb@hotmail.co.uk'' account posted a few up?

Thanks
Scott
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-28 16:18:25
ya , sweet mate :):) LETS GET THIS ONN
jamin
Posted: 2011-07-28 17:02:14
FACT - Thai boxing has a history tracing back 2000 years to temple carvings found in Cambodia. It wasn't until the early 20th century that Thai boxing as we know was born

FACT - Kickboxing was developed in the late 60's by American karate-ka who wanted to compete outside of the strict rules of kumite.

There is barely 50 years between the 2 of them so what's all the fuss about???

I'm a Thai boxer through and through but have trained with kick boxers like Dale Wood, Mick Crossland and Jack Clay. They can all kick hard and can all punch hard......the only difference between their style and mine is the delivery of the techniques.

Massive respect to both Jonno and Ronnie for agreeing to fight each other in their respect styles. Never seen Ronnie fight in the flesh, only seen the HL reels but I saw Jonno fight at Leeds town hall a few years ago, both fights should be ace and tbh can't see either of them going the distance. FC fight gonna be an absolute slug fest that I think might end in a draw. The Thai fight is gonna be bonkers.... lowkick, clinch and elbow madness that's gonna end by cuts. Just my opinion.

good luck Ronnie and good luck Jonno
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-28 17:21:41
Anything iv said about thai i have said in response to comments about Full contact. And if they have offended anyone i am sorry but it works both ways. anyone who gets in the ring deserves respect. I dont know much about thai and i dont disrespect anything about it, iv been to thai shows and seen some good fights. the last one being between loz reilly who was a class act and john dick . I think this fight could be a good thing for both sports and hopefully improve relationships between the sport and make both sets respect each others for what they are:)Good luck to both fighters:)
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-28 23:09:51
Big Respect to both "Fighters" and will make a great fight whatever outcome / rules and crowd pleaser and im willing to put it on Sun: Dec: 4th: Ikon Battle Of Bolton if anyones interested The Venue / Datess already in the fight calendar and anyone whose fought / been to Ikon will tell you great Venue and atmosphere etc:


also can i ask whats the "Exact" fight record of both fighters please??
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-29 03:47:50
There is talk for december 3rd up in scotland... Not so sure as boxing 26th november though and as u probably know boxing is sometimes a little demanding... I want to be 100% for both fights with me and johnno... These fights will happen...
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-29 10:57:55
Nice one Ronnie. I'm buzzing at the thought of it, don't know how you lads must be feeling ?? Must be pretty awesome knowing your fighting not just for yourselves, but for the whole of your chosen sport. Obviously, that happens in every fight, but I hope you get what I mean ??

Admirable of both lads to do this.
jonmfa
Posted: 2011-07-29 12:10:12
Nice to see a more positive attitude developing now that the silly remarks hav calmed down,these contests will be epic bouts with massive interest frm both sports and if promoted well the possibilities r very exciting,
DanUK
Posted: 2011-07-29 12:32:50
Quite right, both guys should be commended for moving out of their comfort zones. Ronnie is really brave in my eyes, fucked if i'd want to start taking leg kicks,knees and elbows!!! Even kicking without pads on, ive injured myself kicking with pads, so fair play Ronnie, you are a very brave man!
I hope some mutual respect will develop, both fighters deserve it. we all have our prefered sports, there is no need to constantly slag off other sports.
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-29 12:35:10


should be an interesting fight, good luck
TyRi
Posted: 2011-07-29 13:02:52

Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-29 13:44:26
Soldier ..... , interesting. :-)
highlander
Posted: 2011-07-29 13:58:43
I was a kickboxer in my second leg kick fight i fought for the Wka pro world title in 1999 in my 5th thai fight i Won european thai boxing title Wka i didnt find it that hard to change styles dont think Ronnie will
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:16:22
chang puek is a legend, giving away massive weight too
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:25:30
That fight doesnt say nothing as the kickboxer was not kicking his ooponents legs, if they are both using the same tools should be interesting:)
DanUK
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:37:01
fuck that! wheelchair for one!
highlander
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:44:48
oi oi Dan nothing wrong with wheelchairs
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:46:36
got to be said jonno isnt in the same legue as chang puek but ronnie isxnt in the league of rick rufus either, i can see the fight going that way
highlander
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:49:49

JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-29 14:56:13
Paul have you ever seen ronnie fight? Ronnie fought a higher ranked thai boxer than jonno at a higher weight and took him out in 54 seconds:) Doesnt matter what discipline it is if its over in 54 seconds
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-29 17:50:05
who was it the jamie? out of intrest?
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-29 17:50:43
n al bet he didnt have jonnos chin
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-29 18:20:33
Well the fighter knocked out anthony fergusson, Comes from a well respected thai gym in portugal, its online him fighting, Rui Briceno his name, anyways doesnt work like that, makes for a great fight but that clip was a kickboxer fighting his rules and a thai boxer fighting his rules, ud think the kickboxer would start doing low kicks back ha:)
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-29 23:38:30
ok and again?
whats BOTH fighters Records in FIGHTS
ie how many fights had Jonno had ?
Thai?
Kick?
Boxing?
MMA?
and same Ronnie

and Results Please and also be accurate / honest number and how can ya not know how many fights?

my record when i was fighting, i had `21` not 20 not 22

its that easy really
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-30 00:21:03
Higher ranked ? what you smoking
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-30 00:25:43
? higher ranked ??




and Jonno and Ronnie whats ya records? please can you put on here cheers
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-30 00:30:07


yeah he looked well better than me........
and deffinatly very "thai"
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-30 00:31:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH551RrDPjY
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-30 01:11:28
are my posts invisible ? lol
gazbrook
Posted: 2011-07-30 01:30:01
If only Sandy. :-)

I still think the FTR fight is gonna be Jonno's, but am not underestimating Ronnie, nor is Jonno I am sure.
markgibbs
Posted: 2011-07-30 02:50:03
Seen some very good fights between Thai boxers and full contact fighters in FC rules. The best being Jake Richards v Reece Mcalister.

I can think of one very good reason for Thai fighters to fight Fc, money! This all started about wages and its a safe way to get paid so why not? Both sets of rules favour the "home" fighter but its a bit of fun and a payday for both fighters to. Each has nothing to lose really so good luck to both!
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-30 04:06:42
jamie meechan what drugs you on seriously? that was not a kickboxer fighting his rules and thai fighting his??? i didnt see the thai throw one knee,elbow, or clinch at all.
i also like how at 2.16 the thai gets a warning for throwing rick rufus to the ground. then when the ref sees he can hardly walk gives the thai a three point major foul(whatever that is).
he just destroyed him with leg kicks.
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-30 04:09:43
are you finally saying then jamie if a thai fought his rules and a kickboxer his, this would be the outcome? just curious?
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-30 04:55:07
I have had 9 amateur boxing been beaten once Scottish finals points... 1 pro boxing won that stoppage 5th round... 40 amateur full contact kickboxing been beaten once nisar and drawn once glover... 11 pro kickboxing beaten nisar, campbell? peynaud... I also had alot light contact and mats fighting as a kid... Hope this helps... R

SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-30 05:00:23
ronnie where did you fight in thailand? and is the vid available to see?
hunter
Posted: 2011-07-30 08:23:06
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-30 08:37:47
he looks decent but meant is there a video of ronnie fighting thai?
ActionPromo's
Posted: 2011-07-30 08:42:20
Where are we up to on this? Can someone offer a summary? :)
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-07-30 09:58:02
WKA aint tht like world kickboxing association? coz tht wasn't a thai fight. Not a knee,elbow or clinch insight tht wasnt broke.
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-30 15:54:17
like the clip 1min13 to 1min16.
JP
Posted: 2011-07-30 17:08:55
Any closer to a fight? You can have it in my garden I will even clean up my dogs turds before. I will pay you in surplus building material and if someone gets hurt I'm sure my neighbour two doors up is a veterinary nurse. Let me know and I will get my crayons out and write up the contracts.
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-31 07:39:51
I respect ronnie as a fighter but considering iv had quite abit more pro fights than him i want this fight to come off even more now.
im free 3rd , if ronnie isnt up for that than anytime after. I personally dont know if it will be good for our sport but i just want to get in the ring with him.
as a fighter i respect him but all you kickboxers he disrespected me first. i want to get in the ring to show him that i'm not someone he can disrespect lightly.
and full thai rules , well.
get it on
JimmyChoo
Posted: 2011-07-31 12:01:33
The kickboxing fight might well go ahead but I'd put my mortgage on the ftr fight never happening.
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-31 12:48:30
Don't know Jimmy ..... Ronnie's said a few times he's up for it. Brave man and all that.Respect.
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-07-31 13:38:08
would he fight ftr if he loses at his own game? and why is the ftr fight happening 2nd n not 1st??????
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-07-31 13:43:26
THANKYOU Ronnie Clark !!!!!!!!!!!!!! i asked the Record of BOTH fighters out of Curiosity ( something we need to know as promoters, and as a Commentator i need "Stats" etc: and people, as iam are curious too ) so. over to you Jonno??? your fight recors and disciplines you have fought? cheers for yours Ronnie thanks Guys
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-31 13:46:44
Good point Soldier. I think it would probably be drawn up in the contract about the FTR return bout. Be foolish not too.
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-07-31 13:50:04
PS .... I've no idea why the running order is as it is, but in fairness to Ronnie he has a lot to learn for the FTR (way too much IMO), so I think its frugal to schedule it as the return bout.
weazeldeazel
Posted: 2011-07-31 14:50:57
Report PostJamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-07-25 16:38:08
U guys need to do some research, Ronnie has had 5 thai fights already:S he fought out in thailand when he was on holiday, stopped 4 of his opponents and lost 1 closes decision on points but one of his wins was a rematch against the boy, cannot wait, ronnie chose to fight FC;)

Report PostRonnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-30 04:55:07
I have had 9 amateur boxing been beaten once Scottish finals points... 1 pro boxing won that stoppage 5th round... 40 amateur full contact kickboxing been beaten once nisar and drawn once glover... 11 pro kickboxing beaten nisar, campbell? peynaud... I also had alot light contact and mats fighting as a kid... Hope this helps... R

Is it me or is their a discrepency their, have i missed somthing?
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-31 22:46:10
Iv had 16 amateur thai fights (Drew for iska k-1 european title) all in my first year of training. had 17 professional thai fights (90% being A class culminating in a british and european title and fought a few world champions).Both around 50-50 ( for my exact pro record look at the showdown thread) with a few draws in amatuer and one in pro. Only fought the best in both. Hope that helps Sandy
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-07-31 22:48:15
oh and if weight matters iv fought from 56 to 64
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-01 03:18:15
Thankyou sir ( both ) and good point what weights Ronnies Cats? cheers guys thankyou
SOLD13R OF LOV3
Posted: 2011-08-01 03:40:00
dnt want to come across as an arsehole im genuinely curious. i would just like to say good luck to both fighters. its great that a cross discipline fight is happening, all adds to the excitement of both sports. again good luck.
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Posted: 2011-08-01 05:11:19
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Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-08-01 12:20:20
thats sounds immense golden belt. I actually really like the idea of that.
Jimobob
Posted: 2011-08-01 13:04:16
Me to, watched the vid provided on the website which was interesting.
Bison Thai
Posted: 2011-08-01 15:23:25
yea watched it aswel, and a see the welterweight titles are vacant lol . sorry to hi-jack the thread jonno, is there a topic for this elsewhere?
Golden Belt Office
Posted: 2011-08-02 03:59:59
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Jordanmc
Posted: 2011-08-02 04:56:36
Why dont they just fight K1 thats what all the real top fighters do they have fighters from every fighting style thai FC teakwondo and then look at who has won the most K1 grand pri titles in my opinion the best Thai of all time Baukaw por pramuk has won it twice beating loads of kickboxers at the highest level he won it 2004 got robbed in the final of 2005 and then won again in 2006, if ronnies so good why isnt he in the K1 tournments in japan earning some big money
noel london
Posted: 2011-08-02 05:04:42
k-1 max is alot heavier than 60kg.... Krush and some K1 fights are at 63kg and lower....plus the money isnt amazing for a non Jap anyway...plus the k-1 name (not max) has been through a bit of a scandal/no one being paid etc etc drama.... so for anyone in the UK let alone Ronnie its not really a path paved with gold at the moment...

Buakow isnt the best thai of all time, best in k1 yes, not the best actual nak muay....

prob more money in the UK doing it style vs style than under k1 rules anyway..... as each party has a following both friends/family as well as people who follow each chosen sport...

Jordanmc
Posted: 2011-08-02 12:30:03
yeah thats a fair argument :P yeah sorry thats what i ment he is in my opinion the best K1 fighter that is a thai fighter or was when he was non stop action using every weapon these days hes just trying to box everyone
JackJones
Posted: 2011-08-04 14:42:38
Haha good thread!

Definitely something of interest here, and as people say good for both sports. But are people really interested in seeing the Thai leg of this?? Is it not a foregone conclusion? Because it seems that everyone in their right mind fully expects jonno to take this, including Ronnie himself?

Personally if Jonno didn't take the Thai leg I would take off my hat, dip it in tar, roll it around in a bucket of rusty nails, and then eat it. But does anyone believe Ronnie can put up a good challenge and possibly win this? And has ronnie actually had any Thai training? Regardless I'm sure the fight would attract attention if just for the hype.

Are Ronnie and camp confident he could stop jonno in fc? I'm sure that comment about being able to stop Jonno and Howson raised a few eyebrows (in a 'are you smoking some serious crack?' kind of way). But to be fair I don't know a great deal about fc and have never seen Ronnie fight other than online, so maybe I shouldn't judge :-/

A few people have mentioned a single k1 bout... What do Ronnie and Jonno think about this?

On a side note, I would also eat my rusty nail hat if I ever saw Andy 'The Punisher' 'The Lord of War' Howson don a pair of fc trousers and moon boots. Hahaha Photoshop anyone? ;) just kidding


Good on both lads.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-04 15:13:44
Ronnie Clark, Jonno Chipchase and also Andy Howson are all just human, always remember that:)
dean perks
Posted: 2011-08-04 15:44:38
Don't know where Andy Howson came into this but let's keep it on topic.
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say Ronnie has the power to take both legs. It would be nice to shut the "MT is far superior to FC" brigade up I must say.
If MT should be respected then surely FC should? Anyone that steps through the ropes deserves respect IMO. Lee Whitfield has made a successful cross over from FC to MT so don't assume anything.
Less talk and more action. Let's have some dates

Regards

Dean
JackJones
Posted: 2011-08-04 15:54:19
Fair point :)

So you believe in Ronnie that he could take the Thai leg? I'm not trying to stir up more negativity so maybe I should have worded that better / left out the sarcasm!

I was really interested by Ronnie's comment himself that Jonno could beat him in Thai... so why take the fight? Is it to prove that in his own discipline he would outclass Jonno, and that we should sit up and take note of fc. Or is it simply to get the opportunity to punch jonno in the face? Either way, fair enough but I'm thinking that as a professional, as I'm sure Ronnie is, he would be going in to win both and be committed to that, so how can he do this? Has he already been training, or will it be a matter of pride in a battle of honour as Mr Chipchase snr suggested? :) Or is he skilled enough a boxer to be able to do this without being as skilled in Thai as jonno? My personal opinion that I don't think he could doesn't really matter cause as I said I don't know much about fc / jonno.

Also, on the flip side, does Jonno have the speed and power to stop Ronnie in fc? Surely that's what makes these bouts interesting and I didn't mean any disrespect above, was just being lighthearted :)

I've only just read this thread today so looking at it with fresh eyes, so sorry if I'm asking boring questions that people feel have already been covered!

And also, as I said what do the boys think about k1 as a few people have mentioned this and given different opinions the matter?
JackJones
Posted: 2011-08-04 15:59:26
Dean, thanks! Exactly what I was looking for but didn't see your post before I sent mine. And your right I shouldn't have bought howson in to it but i was a bit stunned at the I would stop jonno and andy comment earlier (and I've only just seen the thread).

Also your point kinda relates to the issue of k1 (or in this instance of not doing a single k1 bout). So is that the reason for the two legs? To engage the mt community in fc and vice versa and get a bit more respect for fc? Makes sense!
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-04 16:00:46
Ronnie said that cause there is so much talking on here he got fed up of everyone saying to him he has no chance, trust me ronnie isnt going into a thai fight thinking hes gonna loose:) If ronnie knocks him out FC whats to say he couldnt do it thai, We will soon find out once they get it on:)
JackJones
Posted: 2011-08-04 16:08:55
Yeah I can see how both boys would get fed up with the trash talk, but equally this thread has had more views than any of the big events coming up this year and the fights haven't even been set yet! So the boys should embrace the publicity so to speak, you never know might get them a better purse or certainly help them sell more tickets!

I'll shut up now and wait for news on the fight dates with great anticipation!! :D
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-04 16:10:26
I am doing this to prove kickboxing is different from thai... I am confident I will win the kickboxing... Thai yeah is different... Its jonno sport... Too me a fight is a fight and if I can get some extra ring time in between my boxing then even better... As jamie said earlier... Everyone is just human... I never been down neither has jonno... This is sure to be exciting when it does happen... ;)
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-05 11:07:35
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-04 16:10:26
I am doing this to prove kickboxing is different from thai... I am confident I will win the kickboxing... Thai yeah is different... Its jonno sport... Too me a fight is a fight and if I can get some extra ring time in between my boxing then even better... As jamie said earlier... Everyone is just human... I never been down neither has jonno... This is sure to be exciting when it does happen... ;)

You know that you will have your license revoked by the BBBoC if you fight any other discipline right?
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-05 13:58:30
Are u a member of the bbboc? How do u know this if you do not work for or is it just hear say? Does not say anything about that in my boxing licence... :)
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-05 15:39:20
Yes actually petal, I am. I turned Pro in 2006.
I also have correspondence from the BBBoC dated today which states this.
I will email it to you if you like, but the fact remains that you can either be a professional boxer OR fight FC and MT.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-05 15:44:47
Lol uv got it dated today? so you have contacted the BBBOC to ask this, Get a life , :)
antdog
Posted: 2011-08-05 16:26:14
for the record my fight with rui briceno was 4 years ago a k1 fight my first k1 fight and i didnt see him weigh in and the guy was huge!!! and he didnt knock me out it was 3 knock down rule !!! i think on his day jonno is one of the best guys in the uk and he has youth on his side! if this fight happens it should deff be a k1 fight
antdog
Posted: 2011-08-05 16:51:04
oh and rui briceno is not a muaythai fighter his gym is k1 so the point JamieMeechan was making was pointless
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-05 16:57:23
Knock out, Stopped, All the same, he had the power to do that, but didnt have the power to do even a minute with ronnie, doesnt matter if its k1, muai thai or FC. Also he was huge when ronnie fought him, :)
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-08-05 17:47:23
i'll be alot bigger than him. Trust me.
And thanks ant dog mate , you'll notice iv not mentioned that loss once in this thread even though these nobs keep bringing it up.
Hope your good mate
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-05 19:42:22
Petal... Whats ur name because sure its not lee jones jr... send me the email from bbboc then... Why come on with a fake account...

P.S Dont hate me, because u aint me...
markgibbs
Posted: 2011-08-06 03:27:34
Ronnie

Dont wish to get involved in the debate but his name is Lee Jones, he was a kickboxer at Eclipse and went pro with Richie Woodhalls team ringside when I used to help out and coach there.

Not sure about the pro boxing urles now but I would be careful around them.
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-06 04:07:52
Ronnie Clark,
Yes that is my name. I don't care one way or another about you, I was simply warning you that you will lose your boxing license and thus far better money fights, if you fight FC or MT whilst a licensed pro.
If you want to act up like a petulant child that is fine, the facts remain the same.
Regards
Lee Jones Jnr
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-06 06:17:02
Well thanks for your advice petal... I willl seek advice... x x
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-08-06 06:24:49
your such a nob ronnie
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-06 06:47:04
No need to seek advice, I have forwarded your details and this thread to the BBBoC.
splinter
Posted: 2011-08-06 08:35:28
right to chinatown with that one then.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:08:21
Why would someone go out there way to forward a thread to them and get involved in someone else's buisness, Im guessing your boxing career is not very succesful if you are trying to hamper someone else's.

Ps, Jonno its Knob, Basic spelling is not your strong point:)
keepyerguardup
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:15:58
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:08:21
Why would someone go out there way to forward a thread to them and get involved in someone else's buisness, Im guessing your boxing career is not very succesful if you are trying to hamper someone else's.

Ps, Jonno its Knob, Basic spelling is not your strong point:)

jamie in that context it would be their not there, and there would also be an "of" in there too. i.e. why would someone go out of their way :)
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:21:36
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:08:21
Why would someone go out there way to forward a thread to them and get involved in someone else's buisness, Im guessing your boxing career is not very succesful if you are trying to hamper someone else's.

Ps, Jonno its Knob, Basic spelling is not your strong point:)

I assume that is for me.
My boxing career has been on hold with back problems etc but that is all sorted now so I should be boxing by the end of the year. Luckily, I don't rely on the money and do quite well outside of fighting.
I have no interest in Ronnie, don't even know or care who he is. I was simply offering advice which was intended to save him from losing his license and with it better money fights and involvement in a far more prestigious and well regulated sport.
The manner of his response merits that he finds out the hard way.
The way that many people within the 'professional' FC and MT community conduct themselves was a big factor in my decision to move on when I did.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:40:12
Yeh but someone who has no profile coming on and giving advice is a common thing on here. the manner of his response with the word petal is a reaction to you saying that word. One thing i do agree is your view on boxing:) Ronnie should concentrate more on the boxing side. Dont understand why if these muay thai guys are far superior why none of them move into boxing, must have something against making money:)
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-06 09:53:49
Petal, flower, cutie pie etc are all things which I say many times in a day and are far from offensive. The 'Ronnie knows best' attitude is what I was referring to, as in fact, Ronnie does not.

I quite like money myself, wouldn't be able to have a Ferrari without it.
Strong Hand
Posted: 2011-08-06 11:49:13
this thread finally got funny again :) lol
Darren EFC
Posted: 2011-08-06 14:54:42
kick him so hard that the shine comes off his pants, Jonno !
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-06 15:26:48
Lee where i am from people like you are called grass's, not sure if its a known word in england, but you would need to have money and a bodyguard also. and u wudnt have a ferrari for long up here lol,

LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-06 15:41:18
If you like petal.
dean perks
Posted: 2011-08-06 18:06:17
Is Lee Jones Jnr related to Tate? Pmsl
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-06 19:10:45
I aint so sure to be fair... He has traces of shit on his tongue from licking so much ass though...

Your me hero lee please can I be you?! Please!!!

SAD PATHETIC LOSER SUGAR PLUM...
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-06 21:05:14
I see it didn't take long for this thread to go to shit again -

like I said before, if you two want to fight then sort the contracts and fight.

Lee Jones Jnr - I can see what you were trying to advise Ronnie even if he couldn't, I don't know the rulings of the sport, but if he is a pro he should make himself aware of a simple thing such as fighting other disciplines and it's implications, so if he has his book revoked then that will be just deserved as far as I can see.
Hat's off to you for trying to do the decent thing, even if his inbred half a brain between them pals don't see that!!

JamieMeecham....Do you fight? - have you ever fought? Mr armchair warrior - you do a lot of talking shit on here pal, and none of it really productive, exactly the point Lee Jones Jnr was making as to why it was one of the reasons he left the sport, and reflects on my earlier comments of how, clown idiots like you are holding this sport back.

Going on with yourself like we all live in castles down here or something!! - well I'm up in Scotland later in the year, so let me know where you are and I'll pop round for a brew with PaulinThailand,and you can show us just how rough your area is, you sad bastard!, you probably don't actually live on an estate, or you do, but just spend all your time, hiding indoors from the neds, in front of your PC typing shit and getting fat. Give it a rest now eh and try and do something for yourself insead of talking up your mate, as you obviously cannot achieve anything for yourself with the shite you're spouting!!

Best thing you wrote was the comment contradicting Jonno's spelling mistakes, and in the same post making your own.....Priceless!! you haven't the brains you were born with you moron lol

Jonno and Ronnie - put your handbags away - stop with your dick swinging competition - and just sort a fight - your both behaving like a pair of school kids and making yourselves look like pathetic idiots - I don't know Ronnie, might be a sound lad, but from what I've seen on here so far you're an idiot, lets hope the ruling isn't correct for Pro-Boxing, and you haven't fought any other discipline since being licensed, or you will be having more FC or MT fights than you prefer to lol.

And Jonno, you're a friend, but fucking hell mate - you're going on like a right arsehole on here - wind your neck in and concentrate on the actual meaning of being a good Nak Muay, it isn't just about how many fights and stitche's you've had!!, It is about being respectful and honourable, being the best you can be in the whole, not just in fighting. So like I said before mate, try training for fights instead of talking about them, by no means have you fought the best at your weight in Muay Thai by a long shot!!!

Oh forgot to mention Noel...... probably one of the best posts on this thread mate, apart from LeeJonesJnr's first post and Chris Podesta's comment about this thread being full of oxygen thieves lol - you were very reasonable and neutral, I applaud you, as I just can't be reasonable with these fools anymore - so have to resort to a laungage they understand........shite talk

If a moderater just happens to come across this and read this thread through - please delete the whole thing, so that maybe our sports aren't portrayed to the wider audience as full of arseholes.......I mean! who from the general public wants to give their hard earned money to this set of clowns.

Our sports are never going to make it main stream if we all carry on behaving in such a unproffesional manner -
I can understand the armchair fools, like Meecham that post in between surfing for gay porn and looking at Ebay, who have no life and nothing better to do,... but for fighters to carry on dragging it down is just ridiculous!!!

Lads (and ladies, if any have posted) - lets try and keep things postive and constructive from now on, as this thread is just going round in circles and achieving nothing of any value......I mean a date for a fight hasn't been set yet? never mind anything else, just seems to be a lot of self promotion and trash talk to stir up interest in peoples careers...... try doing that by fighting well and acting as professionally as possible.

Right rant over - Sorry everyone, but it's sunday morning in BKK, my only day off and I woken up and first thing I've seen is this.....fucking ruined my morning so far, so again moderators please delete this whole thread!!!
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-06 21:07:42
This thread has had nearly 9000 views - good work boys - thats probably 8000 people that think we're all pricks in the UK!!!
gazbrook
Posted: 2011-08-07 00:10:33
I could be wrong Thrasher (and I was wrong ONCE many many years ago), but calling Jamie and idiot, Ronnie and idiot and your friend Jonno an arsehole isn't exactly gonna help put the thread back on track either.

I also highly doubt a mod will delete the whole thread since it has gained a lot of interest from people, although do agree that it could do with a bit of a trim here and there just to keep it on track.


I hope posting my opinion doesn't make you want to fight me, because I really can't be arsed getting into fighting shape to still get my arse kicked at the end of it.

And no, I am not an armchair warrior, this is being posted from my sofa.

Back on topic briefly, I really want to see you guys fight and hope it all gets sorted sooner rather than later.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-07 02:07:15
ever thought of being a politician or a priest? also you have done exact same on here so you cant have a go at your mate, we are arseholes in the uk, we all know that, and i believe a grass is a rat in england? nobody likes a rat in any country, usually conspires from jealousy,

you guys are full of horse sh"" , make yourselfs out respectful when its you guys who make all the threats etc,r we just laugh it, some people could have took it the wrong way.

ps i am kinda scared of paulinthailand though, i seen him being rubbed up in oil and found myself slighly worried about how much he enjoyed it, almost ejaculation, not that im a homophobic

Knobsy
Posted: 2011-08-07 09:44:49
Wow Andy !!! That's one angry post young fella.

I tend to look at things in a simplified way in as much as, if you don't like what you see, don't bother getting involved.

I understand your comments aimed at Jamie, I think most people would, he loves Ronnie and is shouting his corner so to speak. So fecking what ?? Rise above it.

I really, really hope this 2-leg fight comes off. I've not been this excited about a domestic scrap in quite a while, barring the obvious MT scene.

On a personal level, I think you are probably my all-time favourite MT fighter, you are pure aggression and skill. Please don't become a keyboard warrior yourself !! Let the thread develop, and probably help the event become a massive sell-out hyped up contest. You can always choose to ignore this thread if you don't like it Andy.
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-07 10:57:10
The point is Gaz the thread has gone to shit - and is just going round in circles with no sign of an actual fight yet - just a lot of insults and bullshit been posted - and no mate, who said me wanting to fight anyone???
I hope they both get their fights, and stop with the time wasting of just insulting each other.

And to be honest this thread is getting on my nerves, when you see the other threads on this forum it make us all look like idiots, hence my aggressive post!
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-07 11:04:59
haha Jamie - it never crossed my mind to do either, and don't think I'm of the right stock!

My post has done the right thing as you have hit the nail on the head, and seen the point I was trying to make - we all look like idiots over here from an outsiders point of view

Glad it's all just a joke to you though mate - maybe if we all took it a bit more seriously the sports might move forward together and fighters can all start earning some real dough.

And for the record, I made no threats, i just said we'll pop round for a brew so we can have a chat and you can show us the sights of your lovely surroundings that you portray so well lol ;-)

Anyways - why don't we just get the fight sorted and then no one will have to argue as the results will be there for all to see ;-)
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-07 11:10:38
Knobsy - I respect your comments in your post mate - and I hardly ever post on here but the sport is bigger than us and this country and was just trying to point out that the thread was just going round in circles without achieving anything!....other than making us all look like idiots - I was just trying to shock the main contributers to this thread into realising what it really looks like to outsiders looking in!

I've given my opinion, what everyone does , says or posts now is completely up to them, as everyone has the right to their own opinion - so I think I'll take your advice and refrain from posting anything negative in future, even if it is to try and gain a positive.

And thanks for your compliments mate - I try my best ;-)
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-08-07 12:50:34
Phew !!! Thank f for that !! I was hoping (nay, praying) you wouldn't read my post as antagonistic Andy :-).

I really do understand your point regarding the content of this thread, it does come across as 'my dad's bigger than your dad', and probably isn't the best advertisement for the 2 respective sports ??!!

In the same breath, I do hope the bouts come to fruition as there is the little matter of 'bragging rights' to uphold. :-)

There's always going to be healthy banter between the FC and MT practioners. It's like Man Utd v Man City. No matter how 'respectable' a thread will begin, odds are it will descend into some childish comments before too long. I think it's probably mis-guided passion.

On the back of that, that's the reason why I hate to see you lower your own standards down to 'our' level. Anyone who's anyone in our sport, knows who you are and the level you have reached. I prefer to imagine you like Liam H and Damien Trainor reading these forums, just looking and smirking and thinking, "Tossers". Do I sound like Jamie now ?? Would you like me to clean your arse with my tongue ?? :-) :-) Ha ha.

Keep well Andy. True Nak Muay.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-07 13:09:51
People who have read the thread will see it was not us who went onto the my dad is bigger than your dad etc. all you guys have went on about is how johno will destroy ronnie, cut him to shreds etc, You guys have seen johno fighting so i totally understand it but its a bit disresctful especially when you guys have not seen ronnie fight. call it ass licking if you like but its not like that at all, I have no opinion on jonno as iv not seen him fight and the only prediction iv made is you will get a shock with ronnie as hes a tough fighter. We joke about on here as we have no reason to take it serious, we wont win an argument as this forum is full of people associated with muay thai:)
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-08-07 13:31:12
As I've said above Jamie, due to their 'similarity' the 2 sports are always going to clash whenever a 'Which is better' debate arsies.
I also 'get' your commitment to your sport and the support you are giving to Ronnie. For that, you will always get a bit of stick from the 'other camp'. Nowt to be ashamed of bud. Unfortunately for FC fans of this forum, there seems to be a lot more MT supporters, and as such you're always going to be facing an uphill battle in the 'war of words'. So long as you appreciate that that is all it is ...... words. Not worth losing even a minutes worth of sleep over.

I think most folk would absolutely love to see this FC v MT scrap take place. I think it would sell itself, and already we have well known propmoters asking to stage the fights if all parties agree to it.

I'd honestly never heard of Ronnie before this thread, as the last time I had any kind of interest in FC was when a friend of a friend of mine (Dylan Carter), was carving a niche in the game (maybe 17/18yrs ago ??). That said, he certainly seems a tough lad on the face of it. His record speaks volumes and he hasn't shied away from this 'calling out' by Jonno.

As anybody with half an ounce of intelligence will know, getting through those ropes is one of the hardest things a human being can do. It's extremely courageous. That's why I have full respect for Ronnie, but fear Jonno's powerful kicks will win over in the FC bout, and his full arsenal will take Ronnie apart within 3 rounds in the MT bout. Just my opinion of course.

I bet you're as excited about this as I am Jamie ??
liam badco
Posted: 2011-08-07 13:32:26
wow this is ridiculous

pls let me put the thai fight between Jonno and ronnie on in Leeds on the Febuary HGH show :) if not ill put Howson vs ronnie on LOL
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-07 14:13:10
Yeh i totally understand the MT Fans opinions and dont know why they argue when i state mine, I cant wait for both these fights to happen and both guys deserve respect. Both going over to each others sport and taking the challenge, how many fighters do you see out there who avoid a challenge? These fights need to be planned as they are going to be at end of year so both fighters need the correct time to prepare for this:) I look forward to seeing how both fighters adapt, and who adapts better.:)
JackJones
Posted: 2011-08-07 14:13:26
JamieMeecham with regards to the MT 'gang' starting this war of words, I'll think you'll find that Jonno started this thread as a response to comments like this from Ronnie, on the fighters wages thread where this all started;

Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-07-24 08:46:48
No its because I know I would throw u around like an empty tracksuit, pick you up and dump you on your head... Smash you badly and possibly finish off by trying to rip off a limb from you... I know I would not beat you at thai or k1 but I do know kickboxing I would smash u and mma I would damage u bad... The cage is a real fight in my eyes and the best all round fighter wins... Try it?! Win lose or draw u will earn my respect?!

Lol. I think Ronnie called Jonno out, and it looks like Jonno accepted and started this thread to make it happen. Anyways, pending Ronnies boxing stuff we're all eagerly anticipating a date. Sandy offered to put on the first leg in December but Ronnie declined saying he had something in mind in Scotland for December?? Is this still on the cards?
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-07 14:43:52
Thats a reply to jonno, he didnt just answer himself:) jonno said he would fight him as far as i rememeber but maybe i am wrong, anyways no point discussing that, the fight is meant to be happening:) im not sure but i think scott allan said he would promote it possibly :)
Ronnie Clark
Posted: 2011-08-07 14:48:08
Andy do you think your god or something... You and paul in thailand vs the world... Sure the brew you get at 66 murrayfield walk, whitfield, dundee... You know jack shit... The fight was talked about for december but due to jealous people there been some complications... Ofcourse my boxing career is more important than a stupid kick/thai fight... I hope this helps but for all the people who bitched on here about this, I would like to say jonno got more balls than any u guys and in the emails/talks about this fight him and his dad shown nothing but respect... Hype lives up to a great fight... If this can still happen it will... I aint gonna comment no more on this... Any complaint u have my address...
Fletch
Posted: 2011-08-07 19:34:31
This has now just got a bag of bull..........
lets get it on or not !!!!!!!!!!
Rivals show or somewhere else. Scott or Stewart allan, lets get the party started !!!!!!
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-08 00:24:15
Well I was going to say how the thread had taken a turn for the better till I just saw ronnies post - No I don't think I'm god, what kind of childish question is that? and not me or anyone vs the world, just trying to promote our sports in a better light with a bit more intelligence - you should try it.
But yes nice one ronnie, I'll take you up on your offer of a brew, I'll bring the rich teas, ok mate ;-)

And there we go Ronnie, Liam has offered the fight in february - another step in a positive direction - so once you've found out the actual rules regarding whether you can particpate in any other disciplne of fighting you can have the silly kick/thai boxing fights, as you like to call them. haha

I'm sorry mate - I thought I was talking to a man not a little boy, so I'll stop talking shit, as I know jack don't I ;-)
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-08 03:56:10
Who are the jealous people?
What are the complications? Do you mean the lack of professionalism that means a fighter and manager don't even know what the BBBoC do and do not allow?
-Jonno-
Posted: 2011-08-08 05:37:42
I'm not coming on here anymore.
I am just going to try and sort the fights out.
and i think you owe ME a brew when your back thrash , and im not talking about the tea kind. You know i always have the JD.


Peace and love x
paulinthailand
Posted: 2011-08-08 05:56:48
66 murrayfield walk, whitfield, dundee

can you put your post code down too please ronnie. oh you know what i think i already know that block of flats, is it

66 Murrayfield Walk, Dundee DD4 0AS?

being the kind of super star that you are im sure you wouldnt put your real address up on a site where 90% of your "fans" would probably like to send you something, you should be more carefull. you just never know what people might send you!!!
thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-08 08:16:20
haha defo get you a drink in when I'm home jonno - but you'll have to remember it coz at my age the memory is on the way out;-)

And LOL @ Paul's post - I'm not sure thats his real address either mate - but i was genuinely on about going for a brew and a chat while I'm up in Scotland..

And Lee, i have had it confirmed on very good authority that a licensed BBBoC Boxer, is not allowed to participate in any other combat sports........ so looks like Ronnie owes you an apology, and will have to stick to "Silly Kick/Thaiboxing fights" from now on, once the board have revoked his license - and to think you were only trying to do him a favour, that's the thanks you get eh???

Anyway I really hope these two lads get a chance to show what they're made of on The HGH show in February.... I for one will definately be there to watch that one!!
Are we any closer to agreeing on this date Jonno and Ronnie???
weazeldeazel
Posted: 2011-08-08 08:28:03
Just to go a little off topic :) Imran Kahh had a short hiatus into pro boxing, 2 fights and is now back in Thai so it is possible however im not sure of the implications of his return.
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-08 09:43:29
it would be nice if leejonesjnr was just trying to wind mr clarke up or even to just give a heads up/warning about the regulations of the bbobc, however if leejonesjnr or any other member on here has gone out of their way to cause mr clarke's career problems then that's pure dodgy and what goes around comes around, i follow boxing & i will keep an eye out for leejonesjnr but if he's actually grassed a fellow fighter in then i'll be watching for that time when leejonesjnr get's ko'd..it's pure pish if he's grassed and would be the same if anyone on here had grassed up members of the mt community
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-08 11:34:28
I warned Ronnie that a licensed pro cannot fight FC or MT so that he doesn't lose the chance to take part in a truly professional combat sport. His poor manners and confrontational attitude do not make me wish to help him anymore, and as he assures me that I am not who I say I am and am a fake etc we shall now see who is correct.
A fighter not knowing what rules he must abide by is a fairly poor show, but his manager not being on top of things is pure negligence.
I have been perfectly upfront, used my real name and posted facts.
JamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-08 11:58:43
Lee since ronnie has turned pro at boxing he has never had a kickboxing fight. Ricky glover pulled out so how can he have his liscense revoked if he has not fought??? He only just made his debut. So good luck having his liscense revoked:) ps LeeJonesJnr, I look forward to seeing you get sparked out as nobody likes a grass:P

ps that is his correct address lol,

Paulinthailand- idiot get a grip, we look forwad to you kicking off;) x
Knobsy
Posted: 2011-08-08 12:04:52
Never mind Jonno v Ronnie, this could be turned into an 8-man tourny !!! :-)
ryan lyall
Posted: 2011-08-08 12:49:31
surely this fight aint going to happen now. dont think ronnie that stupid to risk a good boxing career for 1 fight.

maybe theres other fc and mt boys willing to fight each other at 1 or even both styles
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-08-08 13:35:53
Report PostJamieMeechan
Posted: 2011-08-08 11:58:43
Lee since ronnie has turned pro at boxing he has never had a kickboxing fight. Ricky glover pulled out so how can he have his liscense revoked if he has not fought??? He only just made his debut. So good luck having his liscense revoked:) ps LeeJonesJnr, I look forward to seeing you get sparked out as nobody likes a grass:P

ps that is his correct address lol,

Paulinthailand- idiot get a grip, we look forwad to you kicking off;) x


Good luck?
That makes no sense petal, I don't care about the boy one way or another. If you recall, there is only me on the thread warning him about the BBBoC regulations as he is ignorant of the rules and his management are incompetent.
To be clear, the board can revoke a license at any time for any or no reason. A professional boxing license is a privilege not a right.
matthew goulden
Posted: 2011-08-08 15:01:21
Surely this thread is dead now?As Iv been following it that Ronnie has said that he wants to fight pro boxing and has said he wont fight at certain times as its too close to his boxing comitments.Add to that, that now that he has been appraised of the situation regarding not being allowed to fight pro boxing and other combat sports at the same time, which he obviously wasnt aware of before.So with this in mind unless hes decided to throw away a pro boxing career and probably a little more money than can be earned in either MT or FC, it would seem to me that this is an entirely useless, pointless and now irrelevant thread as the fights probably arent going to happen?(In all honesty did anyone actually think they would happen?)
dazzathethai
Posted: 2011-08-08 16:06:22
If you have a BBBoC licence and the board finds out you have competed in any other combat sport whilst competing as a pro boxer you will have your licence revoked! That's not to say you cant have unlicenced pro boxing fights, which are a totally different thing to a BBBoC contest.

According to Boxrec, the internet boxing bible, Ronnie Clark has had one pro boxing fight in April of this year, which he won by 5th round tko. Both boxer weighed in at 137 lbs, whihc I would say outs them out of both Howsons and possibly Jonnos weight cats.

Thrasher, you are getting far to sensible lad!
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thrashpants
Posted: 2011-08-08 17:44:16
although, i don't really agree with the way Ronnie has conducted himself in some of his posts, I am glad that that it turns out he hasn't competed at any other fighting discipline and therefore will not have his license revoked, I still think he owes LeeJonesJnr an apology for the heads up on such an important fact, unless that is the Lee has actually contacted the BBBoC to "Grass him up", but I think that was probably just a joke/insult

But agree with Matt Goulden, this thread is now dead and should be put to rest -

Jamie you have to take what Paul says with a pinch of salt, most of the stuff he has put is more of a joke than anything else, so don't worry yourself mate.

And Daz, you've just ruined my Day......means I'm getting too old now if I'm being sensible :-(

I would still be interested to see FC Vs MT fights in the UK though, might actually help us have a better respect for each other and our sports
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