This is at the end of an article talking about yet another vaccine killing children.. I thought it worth putting up. The article can be found on www.mercola.com



Dr. Mercola's Comment:



I swear this whole bird flu saga is something straight from some television mini-series or fiction novel. However, as you know, you couldn't make up a story like this tale of greed and political corruption.

Earlier this year the United States placed an order for 20 million doses of this worthless drug at a price of $100 per dose. That comes to a staggering $2 billion. It was abundantly clear that this drug was not going to help anyone with the flu, and now we find out that this drug has a serious potential of killing children that take it.

To add insult to injury, the drug companies have made a sweet arrangement with the U.S. government that they are not liable for any of the side effects from the drugs. President Bush's $7.1-billion pandemic flu plan seeks broad limits on lawsuits against producers of vaccines and antiviral drugs, but is silent on how those injured or killed by adverse reactions might be compensated.

The liability shield is contained in the Pandemic Flu Countermeasure Liability Protection Act of 2005. It would protect producers and distributors of emergency vaccines from injury suits except in cases of "willful misconduct," a term to be defined later by the attorney general and the secretary of Health and Human Services.

So, even if these drugs or vaccines wind up killing innocent children, these companies will not be held liable. But you don't have to worry as on Saturday the FDA aannounced that Tamiflu was safe. Of course, this is the same agency that gave Vioxx its safetly blessing before it killed 55,000 people.

When Tamiflu kills U.S. children, Roche will plead that they had no idea it could do such a thing! They will claim reports such as this one out of Japan were unverified, and that there was no way they could have known it was a problem.

It just doesn't get much worse than that. When will America wake up and say enough is enough?

If this bothers you as much as it does me, you will want to be on the alert for a special animation I have created that could make a major difference in this country by helping people realize that we are not hopeless and that we can make a difference. I plan on releasing the video the first week of January, and we hope it will gain as much national attention as the Jib Jab video did last year.

Not that they will make any great efforts to find out if it is a problem -- if you've been paying attention to the way the drug companies operate, you know that any potential problem with their drugs is something they want to find out about after it has been sold to millions of people, not before.

As you probably understand by now, drugs are rarely the answer to your health problems. And vaccinations are a dangerous alternative to simply taking care of yourself.

Vaccines, which often contain mercury, are linked to several chronic illnesses including:

Autism
Allergies
Behavioral disorders
Ear infections
An essential resource for anyone interested in protecting their health and the health of their loved ones is Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal, a two-hour video by world-renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. The video is the culmination of Dr. Tenpenny's three-year investigation into the real story behind vaccines. The facts on several crucial areas are covered including:

How vaccines can cause illnesses
The very real link between vaccines and developmental learning and behavioral disorders in children
How vaccines have never been proven safe
The ingredients and contaminants in vaccines and why they're detrimental to your health
How vaccine studies are seriously flawed
If you want to avoid catching the flu, drugs and vaccines are not the answer. Your body and health are better served by addressing the reasons why the immune system is impaired, which allows it to acquire the infection to begin with.

Here are some much healthier and less expensive steps you can take:

Avoid sugar
Get enough rest
Eat garlic regularly
Don't let stress overwhelm you
Exercise regularly
Wash your hands

Parents Requesting Open Vaccine Education (PROVE)
will have some good stuff too

Some other articles on mercola.com too

One of my students was asking about shots as they are pushing them at his school. I looked a little more into it and asked some people I trust about it..

There are alot of articles on www.mercola.com type 'vaccine' etc into search on site

That really pisses me off.
Bastards are screwing us and ripping us off in every direction.

"When will America wake up and say enough is enough?"

What the hell can be done about it?
It is all a big orchestrated scam.
All the voting and BS.
They always find a way.

There are many many more dastardly deeds in the works.

Barney good to see someone else doesn't surrender thought and health to 'those who know best' though they maybe strongly influensed, if not controled buy buisness.

I don't know if its the former or current head of one of the big cancer foundations but he addmitted to CIA in that he had released mass viruses into the Congo river.

Or former secretary of state (ordered bombings on Vietnam) and before that President of World Bank(hmmm) now a member on an international vaccination commity being quoted as saying something along the lines of...population controle is a prob and birth controle isn't working so people need to die of natural causes

I'll try to remember to look it up..

Vaccinations weaken the immune system and lead to many problems as well according to some (i.e. people outside the system)

Many cases of mercury in vaccines, even though it was suppose to be done with years ago.

Don't let fear and pressure and blind faith that the pharmisuticle companies have our health as their main interest get in the way of a little research and thinking in letting them stick needles in your kids.

Former President of World Bank and former Secretary Of State of the United States (who ordered the bombing on Vietnam) is a member of the Expanded Program On Immunization.

"One must take draconian measures of demographic reduction against the will of the populations. Reducing the birth rate has proved to be impossible or insufficient. One must therefore increase the mortality rate. How? By natural means. Famine and sickness." (translation)

Dr. Gotlieb was named head of the National Cancer Institute
At a CIA hearing he addmitted to having dispersed a large quantity of viruses in the Congo River (1960).

1973 Researchers prove that the incidence of brain tumers was 13 times!!!! higher amoung children born of mothers who had been vaccinated against poliomyelitis during pregnancy.

They've known that vaccines are ineffective and dangerous for years!

1905!! Philippines mortality rate due to small pox was 10%. After massive vaccination program it went up to 25%! Then they upped the vaccinations more! In 1918 small pox killed 54%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 95%of them were vaccinated. Manila-where all had been vaccinated at least once was the hardest hit -65%
The Island of Mindanao had some smart people on it who reffused the vaccinations. The area LEAST hit with only 11% (almost same number as the rest before vaccinations)

Diptheria-contracted by only 7% of children during the biggest epidemics. EVERYONE is vaccinated-? Children and adults are vaccinated REPEATEDLY-??? despite the fact that we're told once is good for life.

Tuberculosis-one is never immune. Having had it does not protect you from getting it again. Infact the first case (which can be caused by the vaccine) makes you more vunerable to an attack the second time.

Vaccines WEAKEN the immune system.

-this is not an area I know much about. I did a little research on line and did some reading and some rereading.

I'm not saying believe me or agree or I'm right. I'm saying before you let the system stick you look into it... at least before you subject your kids to it.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/18/vaccine_myths.htm

45% of Unicef funds go to vaccinating people in the third world..
17% for clean water and sanitation

according to unicef 1 in 5 in the world is not always served by water and a reliable sanitation system.

Expanded Program On Immunization-objective-vaccinate ALL the children in the world against 6 illnesses that are most common in youngsters.

Remeber what Nacamara said-former President of World Bank and former Secretary Of State of the United States (who ordered the bombing on Vietnam) is a member of the Expanded Program On Immunization.

"One must take draconian measures of demographic reduction against the will of the populations. Reducing the birth rate has proved to be impossible or insufficient. One must therefore increase the mortality rate. How? By natural means. Famine and sickness." (translation)

The committee to oversee the vaccinations for the Expanded Program On Immunization was made up of

-Leopold Senghor, former presedent of Senegal

-Jonas Salk, director of the Salk Inst. Manufacturer of vaccines and biological agents-most noteably for US army

-Van den Hoven, presedent of Unilever, huge multinational with interests in third world

Conflict of interest???

yes sir, you know best sir, sticka needle in us please sir. I know you care about our health more than making a profit. Please, can I have two.

It goes on and on....

as part of my degree course I had to research the history of Black women and came across the following:

....finally, many women outside of metropolitan areas are used as guinea pigs and are at the mercy of multinational drug companies. For example: the North Carolinian based centre for research on population and security, which produced a drug used to sterilize women without their knowledge or consent. The drug was secretly administered during routine pelvic examinations. This drug is/was able to render women irreversibly sterile. Though this information is from the internet it is believed that over 70,000 women worldwide have been sterilized with the drug!

See Incite! Women of Colour Against Violence website ref: www.incite-national.org/involve/health.html for further information relating to the above.

Anytime a new drug needs to be tested, it's the African population that gets the needle..with or without consent!!!

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

45% of UNICEF funds go to vaccines.....

Which means half your donations go into the pockets of the same bastards we are speaking of.

Half of whatever money UNICEF acquires goes into the pockets of ........(read avove)
Half of your donations (or whatever portion of your donations UNICEF actually gets)

I've heard about what ONNA is talking about.
I've heard there was alot of that going on in New York, not only to blacks but to all the ethnic groups.
I've heard Brooklyn Hospital was used for many such secret projects.

There are lots of crazy things I hear about and I don't put too much stock in them untill I get some good info from a source I trust at least to some degree.

However, when it comes to health, I think I've seen enough that I do not trust the establishments.

Maybe ill health is on the agenda of some. Maybe death is. Maybe its just plain greed and ignorance. Maybe its just blindness and attitude, a mistake of disrespect for the powers of nature and the egos of man.

Regardless I think the evidence is strong enough to show that western med etc is NOT about health at all and that as individuals we shou;d take responsibility for our own health...if indeed health is what we seek.

Vaccines-looks very much more than ignornace killing people and making them sick here. At least enough evidence to dig a little deeper... no?

Barney and Onna-good to know I'm not alone ;)

1973 "researchers proved that incidence of brain tumors was 13 times higher amoung children born to mothers who had been vaccinated against poliomyelitis during pregnacy."
-Medical Mafia -Ghislaine Lanctot

"Is paranoia a form of awareness?"
-Kerry Thornley


"The Health of the citizens is a good that can be bought and sold."
-Francois Mitterand (former French President)

vaccines attack the invading body, right??? This is baseed largely on the germ theory.

Research Bechamp and Pastuer and you start to wonder.

Bechamp discovered these tiny things that he called (if memory serves) microzymas. They were in the body and they could change. When the body became sick they chamged into germs. They could change to viruses too. In the air they actually died quite quickly.

Some research supports Pasteur stealing works of Bechamp and presenting only a portion. Being a master of self promotion and the germ theory being profitable and much easier to 'treat' than each individual, Pastuer became a hero while Bechamp remained unknown.

But IF Bechamp was right then alot of what western med is based on is a wrong...

More resently Stanley Prusiner, M.D got a nobel prize (1997) for discovering Prions. These seem to be what Bechamp was talking about...

Royal Rife, 70 years ago seemed to find some of the same things...

as terrible as all of this sounds its important not to let all these greed driven diasters create a bias against vaccines. in truth many vaccines do a great job and have completely ellimanated many diseases such as polio in many countries. a true vaccine is not a drug that prevents a disease but rather an identifiable protein from the disese causing organism or an inactive form of it. these cannot cause a disease and have vary rare side effects, but allow the body to recognise the orgaism and react to it in case of a real contraction of the diasese. the problem with things like the treatments for bird flu is that they are not a vaccine but a drug to 'treat' symptoms, with drugs like these the final testing of it is release to the public and hence so many problems can happen. there are also controversial vaccines such as the menengococcal vaccine that has just been done in new zealand, this vaccine doesnt protect agaisnt the forms of meningitis that are prevalent in new zealand, so what is the point of relaseing a vaccine that will protect against a few percent of cases????? same thing with the flu shots, the flu is constantly mutating and thats why is reapeats every year, so the flu shot is a vaccine against the most likely version of the flu for that year, which may not be the case.

sorry for the long post but i think its important not to let a bias against all vaccines be created

"One must take draconian measures of demographic reduction against the will of the populations. Reducing the birth rate has proved to be impossible or insufficient. One must therefore increase the mortality rate. How? By natural means. Famine and sickness." (translation)
SOMEONE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE PUT ON RECORD SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT A SICK TWISTED BASTARD !!!I BET HE IS NOT ON HIS LIST OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE KIDS OR SHOULD DIE TO PREVENT POPULATION EXPLOSION. SO WHO IS THEN? POOR PEOPLE, NON WHITES, DIFFERENT RELIGEOUS GROUPS, SICK PEOPLE? IT STINKS OF ETHNIC CLEANSING TO ME THEY JUST RE-PACKAGED IT AND CALLED IT POPULATION CONTROL.

....finally, many women outside of metropolitan areas are used as guinea pigs and are at the mercy of multinational drug companies. For example: the North Carolinian based centre for research on population and security, which produced a drug used to sterilize women without their knowledge or consent. The drug was secretly administered during routine pelvic examinations. This drug is/was able to render women irreversibly sterile. Though this information is from the internet it is believed that over 70,000 women worldwide have been sterilized with the drug!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? HOW CAN YOU SERIOUSLY DO THAT KIND OF THING TO PEOPLE AND LIVE WITH YOURSELF? I DONT GET THE WHOLE IDEA THAT YOUR SKIN COLOUR OR ECONOMIC GROUPING MAKES YOU EXPENDABLE AND AVAILABLE AS TEST MONKEYS? ITS FUCKING SICK, AND ITS FUCKING WRONG.

My brother has not immunised his second child because his first child is autistic and he believes it is because of the immunisations he was given as a small baby. When he refused to immunise his second child the child protective services came out and investigated him!!! He now has to submit an aplication to the schools to see who will agree to take an unimunised child and was knocked back from 3 schools before he found one to take his son. He was also told if his son ever travels overseas he may not be let back into australia despite being born here because he will pose a health risk to the population.
Bircham is right though. Alot of what is marketed as a vaccine is not a true vaccine. A true vaccine is not a drug that prevents a disease but rather an identifiable protein from the disese causing organism or an inactive form of it.This allows the body to recognise the organism and react to it in case of a real contraction of the diasese. Alot of the drugs claiming to be vaccines are not, they are medications that attempt to cure the disease not create a body pre-prepared to fight the disease on its own. Alot of pharmacutical companies misleadingly name their dodgy drugs vaccines or create innefective vaccines that tar the whole concept or vaccines. There are only a hand full of vaccines out there that fit the true definition of a vaccine and they are not the ones causing horrific side effects it is the drugs parading as cure all vaccines that are causing all the problems. RE. UNICEF only 20c in every $ makes it to the children people sponsor in world vision, the rest goes to marketing and sending celebrities to get there photo taken with some photogenic poor kids, and lining the pockets of the executives. Less than 1/4 of what you send will reach the people you are trying to help.
A bit off topic but ONNA what are you studying?

www.mercola.com

type in polio

see what you find. Don't judge it on mercola..see where the source of the article is coming from.

Its all to do with believing media, gov, independant stuff, this research, that research, personal beliefs etc etc

Take a look.

The raging controversy continues, how to protect you and your family from infectious disease?

"Should you vaccinate?

The above study shows that there are clearly risks of even acquiring the disease. This really is only true for "attenuated" or weakened vaccines, of which oral polio is a type.

But, nearly all current researchers fail to take into account a study that was published over 60 years ago in which researchers tried as they could to give rabbits polio.

They just couldn't do it, until they gave the rabbits sugar.

Clinically, many local doctors were able to control polio epidemics prior to the introduction of the vaccines, by waging campaigns in their local communities to convince children not to have ice cream and other sweets in the summer.

When this was done the incidence of polio virtually disappeared.

Polio, and other infections, only tend to cause complications when are immune systems are weakened by poor nutrition, stress, and lack of sleep.

Let's take the hint and avoid all the vaccine dangers by optimizing our own health to resist infections and not relying on vaccines to do it for us."

this was at the end of Vaccine Confirmed as Source of Polio Outbreak on mercola.com

Your brothers situation and the schools etc. These are methods to try to scare and fource you into doing as your told.

Its all about obediance and controle..

I choose to take care of my health. i don't choose to let the gov deside what is good for me.

Measles Vaccine Undeniably Linked to Autism


The vaccine strain of measles virus has been found in the guts of 85 percent of autistic children in a New York University School of Medicine study.

The finding renews concerns that the triple combination vaccine of measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) given to children may not be entirely safe.

In the study, biopsies of gut tissue were performed on 82 autistic children who had serious intestinal inflammation. Seventy of these showed evidence of the measles virus.

Similar results were found by Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who found the measles virus in the guts of 12 autistic children in 1998, and pathologist John O'Leary in 2002.

In the UK, over 2,000 parents say their children were developing normally until they received the MMR vaccine when they were 12-18 months old. Afterward, the children developed autism. Some theorize that the virus may pass through the gut and into the bloodstream, from which it is able to attack the brain.

Mainstream scientists maintain that there is no evidence linking the MMR vaccine to autism, however, in the UK concerns regarding MMR's potential side effects have driven vaccination rates to as low as 70 percent.

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons May 30, 2006

Times Online.co.uk May 29, 2006

Telegraph.co.uk May 29, 2006

http://www.mercola.com/2006/jun/15/measles_vaccine_undeniably_linked_to_autism.htm

I think Mercola talked about this 9 years ago..

Forgive me if I missed it written in there somewhere....Let's not forget that SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME sids or cribdeath is also related to vaccines...babys get vaccinated then not very long after mysteriuosly die!!!!I can't remember the exact amount of hours that they found it was ... I guess the lucky babys make it out.
- I remember it annoyed me while playing hockey in the US they froze my university courses since on record I was missing some vaccnation records -so u either get them or you show the records so they will unfreeze your account and you can select your courses...so after seeing the line ups I said that I was sure had the records somewhere and I'd go and look and come back on a less busy day...so they just unfroze everything and wrote me down as fully vaccinated in the computer...and then the scholarship $$$ returned to it's usual program .I couldn't believe that someone should try and tell me what I should shove into my body and threaten me with taking what I need away if I don't do what they tell me to. I beat that sick and twisted US system!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me and one other girl on the team also refused the flu shot that year...and a large bad flu epedemic swept through Boston....there were only two girls on the team who did not get this flu that year...me and the other girl.
Mark- Didn't Pasteur confess on his deathbed that he was wrong? I think I read that in this book called "sick of being tired"by dr.Robert young ... I think it was at the start of the book discussing the whole bechamp /pasteur controversy :) I read it a couple years ago .but if pasteur was wrong and western medicine is based on pasteurs being wrong - no wonder nobody cures their diseases!
That thing you were talking about with the cells changing into germs...metamorphisizing-thats called pleomorphism isn't it?(THAT IS MY BIG KICKBOXER WORD OF THE DAY!!!lol)but the nice thing about this is that not only can the cells turn diseased but they can also change back to their original perfect state.Which should give hope to those who have illness not to think they have to always be that way ;)

Lindsay-nice to see someone who knows whats going on. Yes that is another horrible relation to the poisoning and God playing of ignorant men.


'Me and one other girl on the team also refused the flu shot that year...and a large bad flu epedemic swept through Boston....there were only two girls on the team who did not get this flu that year...me and the other girl'

You know these kinds of stories are not uncommon when your concisouness and awareness changes. Of course you weren't in the News paper and you are going against whats programed into us so most reading this will just push it aside, disbelieve, or think some isolated case.

Awesome of you to share that!!!

Isn't it funny how science and docs can never explain when people cure them selves. How they never go "HOLY SHIT!! I should look into that and lets see if we can make sense of that". Well actually some do. More and more docs seek out alternative med for themselves. They just can't talk about it.

I did a course resently with a US emergancy room doc. The stories she told and the craziness that goes on. She's in such a good place to help people but if she actually helps them she'll get in shit and loose her job.

So now she's trying to decide if she can help more from with-in the system or without.

Smart woman (from the hospital they copy ER from).

The thing is its not about health and never has been.

Yeah Pasteur really messed us all up.. but its good..we're learning. We'll either die out or we'll learn. If everyone really looked at whats going on.

Cancer shouldn't be the norm and expected.
Its not all in the genes.
Western Med doesn't really cure anything much.
The body is the only thing that ever can heal itself.

http://www.mercola.com/dvd/prescription_for_disaster.htm (med drugs and FDA-not really about vaccines I think but its allthe same money making shit)

Lindsay-nice to see there are some smart kickboxers out there :P

I don't know if I've mentioned on this thread but there are some links with HIV and vaccines too.

In fact every single vaccine you get weakens the immune system...hmmmm How many immune system probs are there these days??

Never mind loads of evidence HIV is man made (and that it doesn't even cause AIDS-but thats another thread).

Yes sir, your greatness(powers that be) utters words and we believe-screw that shit!

speaking of messin up babies

http://www.mercola.com/2006/jun/22/birth_defects_sharply_rise_when_using_ace_inhibitors.htm

this is about med drugs not vaccines-but (If you even agree) its all the same scam, bs, poison)

Not sure if I've posted this somewhere else but I met an interesting women in California when I was down last.

She had contracted polio... You guessed it FROM THE VACCINATION.

Anyway no one could help and she got very fed up. I wish I could remember the details as it was quite the story..

One leg was all withered etc

Anyway nothing the docs did ever helped.

She ended up doing some yoga (real yoga is to do with 'chi' cultivation etc I think).. It helped

Eventually she was fine and you'd never know, besides scars, that she had polio.

She teaches it now in S. California (anyone interested in quality yoga in that area I can dig up her info).

I talked with someone awhile back that works with autistic kids... she said they all know its largely from vaccines (at least the people she worked with).

Again a wonderful thank you to Mr Pasteur amoung others..

Actually he came up with the rabies vaccine too... Well there are some interesting stories around that.

There is a large group of Vets in the US that formed a group. They say there is no such things as rabies for one...

Also there are reports that the vaccine Pasteur gave out CAUSED the problems in those that didn't even get bitten AND those that got bitten and were not vaccinated were fine!!!

Who do YOU believe? The ones who sell you the product?

If you look into the relationships and money flows (like with bird flu stuff)....big big dollars

Lindsay-its tough with the strong arming tactics and the general public brainwashed to submit to authorities...

Parents have a tough time with this. Fear is used. What if my kid gets sick and I didn't vaccinate. The schools say they threaten other kids. Public looks at you like a bad parent.

Its hard to do the right thing for your kids IF you even think thats the right thing.

As a parent I'd do some serious looking into legal stuff (assuming I'd looked into vaccines and realized the dangers), support groups. What can be done. What the actual law is...they make it seem like some things are maditory but often they are not law.

Its not easy...

http://www.mercola.com/2006/sep/2/more_evidence_vaccines_worsen_the_avian_flu.htm

im real scared now my kids have their shots but my third isnt getting the rest of his meningitis shots as i no longer beleave it will work after some thought.
i do not let the doctors prescibe anything unless they really need it and ask what will happen if i dont give them this after all if they can fix themselfs but take a week longer sweet as. i do not trust doctors myself but i have blindly followed vaccines as horror of horror if my kids get one of those horrible virruses and lose a limb after all i had them all and am very healthy
thank you mark l for educating us naive peaple

virginangel-I cannot educate you. I can suggest you look at educating yourself or open up possible avenues. You are your teacher. Trust yourself a little and look in the direction that you thinkk is best.. and don't worry you are always on the right path :) lol (sounds pretty messed to some probably)

Seriously though the past is the past and what will be will be. easy said but also true.

Just look into it as you feel best and trust the choices you make ;)

I'm glad I get the odd msg like yours and some emails or else I'd shut my yap wondering if I am wasting my time.

Some people think the pill and needle for all!! Thats ok too. Just not what I think.

Mostly I just hope people can see there is more than one way, more than one 'truth'..

Good luck-if you're looking and you care-you're doing well :)

I know I've learned alot from some of my parents mistakes so don't worry, cause you'll make some anyway lol Easy to say but keep it in mind cause its true!!!!!!!!

At least to me in my experience ;)

though I wouldn't consult many docs I would be careful of only doing a partial shot sequence... ...stopping part way through-I don't really know either way but I would probably look closer into that than not taking to start...

but don't let fear cripple you.. thats how many systems work... look at the "treat of terror" just ion case you better be scared and therefor do what we want you to do...

Its no different with western med and vaccines... the fear of a possible threat (be it real or not) is what gets us to do what we do as a majority...

Of course i would never recommend anyone not do anything thier doc says...

http://www.mercola.com/2006/sep/14/the_20_facts_about_death_you_need_to_know.htm

http://vaccineinfo.net/immunization/vaccine/meningococcal/meningococcal_college.shtml

http://www.safeminds.org/

I am looking into ordering some videos on vaccines from David Getoff
naturopath4you.com

Now u8nless I'm mistaken they come along with other stuff...

If ytou can get seperate I'll post (not thathis other stuff isn't top class)

http://www.vaccineinfo.net/

http://www.vaccineinfo.net/

http://www.909shot.com/

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/default.html

http://www.nmaseminars.com/

http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.php?page=content.php

I am a big believer in the dangers of vaccines obviously.

I have not yet looked closely at all these sites. However I got them off of http://naturopath4you.com/index.htm links page and I trust Dr Getoff to know his stuff and to be shooting straight!

http://www.mercola.com/2006/nov/7/the-fdas-latest-health-harming-stance-on-mercury.htm

"Federal health officials have refused to put new restrictions on the use of thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, in vaccines and other medicines."

"If two dozen once-jittery mice at UBC are telling the truth postmortem, the world's governments may soon be facing one hell of a lawsuit. New, so-far-unpublished research led by Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and Alzheimer's.



Shaw is most surprised that the research for his paper hadn't been done before. For 80 years, doctors have injected patients with aluminum hydroxide, he said, an adjuvant that stimulates immune response.



"This is suspicious," he told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from his lab near Heather Street and West 12th Avenue. "Either this [link] is known by industry and it was never made public, or industry was never made to do these studies by Health Canada. I'm not sure which is scarier."



Similar adjuvants are used in the following vaccines, according to Shaw's paper: hepatitis A and B, and the Pentacel cocktail, which vaccinates against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, and a type of meningitis.



To test the link theory, Shaw and his four-scientist team from UBC and Louisiana State University injected mice with the anthrax vaccine developed for the first Gulf War. Because Gulf War Syndrome looks a lot like ALS, Shaw explained, the neuroscientists had a chance to isolate a possible cause. All deployed troops were vaccinated with an aluminum hydroxide compound. Vaccinated troops who were not deployed to the Gulf developed similar symptoms at a similar rate, according to Shaw.



After 20 weeks studying the mice, the team found statistically significant increases in anxiety (38 percent); memory deficits (41 times the errors as in the sample group); and an allergic skin reaction (20 percent). Tissue samples after the mice were "sacrificed" showed neurological cells were dying. Inside the mice's brains, in a part that controls movement, 35 percent of the cells were destroying themselves.



"No one in my lab wants to get vaccinated," he said. "This totally creeped us out. We weren't out there to poke holes in vaccines. But all of a sudden, oh my God-we've got neuron death!""

--

""To me, that calls for better testing, not blind faith."

He pointed out that George W. Bush passed legislation that opens the door for the USA to order a nationwide anthrax immunization campaign, with the threat of bioterrorism."

some parts of an article from PROVE
(Parents Requesting Open Vaccination Education)
http://vaccineinfo.net/

Injecting aluminum into a human body is not natural and it is common sense that it can't be good for you. It is only matter of time before more research will show the damage. The new HPV vaccines literally being pushed on young girls would expose them to 675 mcg of aluminum dispersed in 3 injections over 6 months each containing 225 mcg of aluminum. A friend just sent me this discussion of some research going on showing the damaging effects of the aluminum on mice manifesting is symptoms associated with Parkinson's Disease, Lou Gehrig's Disease and Alzheimer's. - DR]



Vaccines Show Sinister Side

By Pieta Woolley

Publish Date: March 23, 2006

http://www.straight.com/article/vaccines-show-sinister-side

actually the info came through PROVE would be more accurately put

short video on how mercury and it effects on the brain..

Keep in mind that if any mercury is found in a building the SOP is to empty the building. The whhole building!!!! This is seriously dangerous stuff!!!

So why was it ever in vaccines and why is it still?

(side note, why the hell do they put it in your mouth as well?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqVDMr9ivo&mode=related&search=

http://www.texaseagle.org/torch/NewTorch/2-2007Torch.pdf

read the proposed mandate on 6th grade girls if nothing else..

Mums who never graduated high school are more likely to vaccinate their children than Mums who graduated college.
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/AJPH.2005.076661v1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010

documentary

from ducumentary mentioned above

Japan in 1975 ceased vaccinating babies under 2yrs of age and they went from
17th in the world in infant mortality to lowest.

13yrs later they lowered vaccination age to 3 months and reversed the trend.

Is no one reading or no one out raged or what?

Atypical Measles

-occurs in up to 50% of cases in the vaccinated

-occurs ONLY in the vaccinated

-has an estimated mortality rate of 12-15%


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I can not say blindly believe vaccines are bad. But I think there is enough evidence to not blindly think they are good cause your doc or gov tells you so.

Is it worth looking at before vaccinating your children??

Bowing to presuure Merck suspends lobbying for cervical cancer vaccine mandate.

Think of it. The companies put it out and then try to get it pushed through.

Wonderful news!


LINDA A. JOHNSON

Associated Press



TRENTON, N.J. - Merck & Co., bowing to pressure from parents and medical groups, is immediately suspending its lobbying campaign to persuade state legislatures to mandate that adolescent girls get the company's new vaccine against cervical cancer as a requirement for school attendance.



The drug maker, which announced the change late Tuesday, had been criticized by parents and doctors' groups for quietly funding the campaign, via a third party, to require 11- and 12-year-old girls get the three-dose vaccine in order to attend school.

Vaccine Safety Group Releases GARDASIL Reaction Report





Calls on FDA and CDC to Warn Doctors and Parents to Report to VAERS



WASHINGTON, Feb. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) today released a new analysis of the federal

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reports of serious health problems following HPV vaccination (Merck's GARDASIL) during the last six

months of 2006. Out of the 385 individual GARDASIL adverse event reports made to VAERS, two-thirds required additional medical care and about

one-third of all reports were for children 16-years-old and under, with nearly 25 percent of those children having received simultaneously one or

more of the 18 vaccines that Merck did not study in combination with GARDASIL. NVIC is calling on the FDA and CDC to warn parents and doctors

that GARDASIL should not be combined with other vaccines and that young girls should be monitored for at least 24 hours for syncopal

(collapse/fainting) episodes that can be accompanied by seizure activity, as well as symptoms of tingling, numbness and loss of sensation in the

fingers and limbs, all of which should be reported to VAERS immediately.

"Because Merck only studied GARDASIL in fewer than 1200 girls under age 16 in pre-licensure trials, it is critical that doctors and parents be made

aware of the nature of the initial adverse event reports coming into VAERS and that they report serious health problems after vaccination when they

occur," said NVIC President Barbara Loe Fisher. "There are twice as many children collapsing and four times as many children experiencing tingling,

numbness and loss of sensation after getting a GARDASIL vaccination compared to those getting a Tdap (tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis)

vaccination. There have been reports of facial paralysis and Guillain-Barre Syndrome. And doctors who give GARDASIL in combination with other vaccines

are basically conducting an experiment on their young patients because Merck has not published any safety data for simultaneous vaccination with

any vaccine except hepatitis B vaccine."

According to NVIC's report, a majority of GARDASIL adverse event reports to VAERS involved those who suffered fever, nausea, headache or

pain; 14 percent were for syncopal episodes with or without neurological signs; and 8 percent experienced tingling, numbness and loss of sensation,

facial paralysis or Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Although adverse event reports to VAERS do not prove causation, they can provide an early warning sign

that a new vaccine may be causing health problems that could be important. For example, reports to VAERS of bowel blockage (intussusception) in babies

following receipt of Merck's Rota Teq (rotavirus) vaccine prompted the FDA to issue a public warning to doctors and consumers on Feb. 13.



"About 4 reports per day were filed with VAERS in December 2006 for the HPV vaccine," said NVIC Health Policy Analyst Vicky Debold, RN, Ph.D. "Some

of these girls are being injured when they collapse after getting the vaccine and others are complaining of neurological symptoms that should not

be ignored. Doctors and nurses should take note of the patient safety issues related to giving this vaccine. Giving GARDASIL simultaneously with

any of the 18 vaccines Merck did not study in combination is not an evidence-based guideline and should involve informed consent and a signed

patient release. To avoid unnecessary injuries, teenage girls should be vaccinated laying down, not be left unattended and probably should not walk

or drive themselves home from the doctor's office after they get vaccinated."

NVIC also found that there were several VAERS reports of HPV infection, genital warts and cervical lesions after GARDASIL vaccination. It is

unknown if the girls were infected with HPV before being vaccinated or if GARDASIL failed to protect them. One case of HPV infection occurred in a

22-year-old girl who had participated in a Merck GARDASIL trial in 2003 when she had shown "strong conversion to all 4 vaccine types" but "tested

positive for high risk HPV" in 2006, according to the VAERS report.

In a May 18, 2006 Background Document for the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRPBAC), the FDA staff stated that

Merck clinical trial data indicated there may be "the potential for GARDASIL to enhance cervical disease in subjects who had evidence of persistent infection with vaccine-relevant HPV types prior to vaccination."

Girls and women now being vaccinated with GARDASIL are not routinely being tested for active HPV infection before vaccination.



The FDA staff also questioned whether the "HPV types not contained in the vaccine might offset the overall clinical effectiveness of the

vaccine." There are more than 15 types of HPV associated with cervical cancer but GARDASIL only contains HPV types 16 and 18. It is unknown

whether non-vaccine HPV types will become more dominant in the future. However, there are indications this could occur because some of the seven

strains of pneumococcal contained in Wyeth's PREVNAR vaccine, which was recommended by the CDC for universal use in all babies in 2000, have been

replaced by some of the more than 80 other pneumococcal strains not contained in the vaccine.

VAERS is a passive surveillance system and depends upon voluntary reporting of serious health problems following vaccination, even though

safety provisions in the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 mandated that health care providers report vaccine adverse events. There

have been estimates that fewer than 10 percent, even as low as 1 to 4 percent, of adverse events which occur after prescription drug or vaccine

use are ever reported to government adverse event reporting systems.

"If only 1 to 4 percent of all adverse events associated with GARDASIL vaccination are being reported to VAERS, there could have been up to 38,000

health problems after GARDASIL vaccination in 2006 which were never reported," said Fisher. "How many girls are really having short-term health

problems associated with getting this vaccine that could turn into long-term neurological or immune system disorders? And how many will go on

to develop fertility problems, cancer or damage to their genes, all of which Merck admits in its product insert that it has not studied at all? We

just don't know enough to be mandating GARDASIL for anyone, much less vulnerable 11 to 12 year old girls entering puberty."

For a copy of NVIC's Report on VAERS and GARDASIL, references for this statement and information about how to report a vaccine reaction to VAERS,

go to http://www.nvic.org.





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"The majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury, an amount considered unsafe for anyone weighing less than 550 pounds."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=63777&nfid=rssfeeds

Recommended to pregnant women. doesn't that just boggle the mind??

Doesn't thast get you out raged?

Is no one reading or does no one care?

The CDCs MO if murcury is found in a building is to evacuate the building. Yet they try to fource it into you in vaccines and its put in our mouths in fillings. If you trust them, just do the slightest research on mercury and ask your self if you want it in your body, never mind forcing it into the body of an unborn child.

Come on people....

mercury is some heavy duty poison, period. No questions asked. Most people don't think its in vaccines any more, as they would like to have you believe, but a tiny bit of research instead of watching tv and reading the newspaper (telling you its all good and to trust the drug companies).. Its clear without question mercury is nasty and it IS in some vaccines.

Smallpox shot infects soldier's toddler son

Boy critically ill; mom also stricken

By Jeremy Manier

Tribune staff reporter

Published March 17, 2007

In the first case of its kind in years, a 2-year-old boy is being treated in Chicago for a rare and life-threatening infection that he contracted from his father, a U.S. Army soldier recently vaccinated against smallpox.

The Indiana boy is in critical condition with eczema vaccinatum, an unusual side effect of the smallpox vaccine that can affect people who receive the shot or their close contacts.

Doctors also said the boy appears to have passed the infection to his mother, who has a much milder case of the virus in the smallpox vaccine, which is also called vaccinia. The virus is not smallpox, though it is similar enough to offer protection from that deadly disease, which was declared eradicated in 1980.

The mother and child are being treated at the University of Chicago's Comer Children's Hospital, which withheld their names at the family's request. There is no infection risk for the general population, government officials say, since the vaccine virus can spread only through close physical contact.

But the boy's diagnosis last week has prompted a frenzy of activity and daily conference calls involving the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the U.S. Department of Defense, and the state and city public health departments. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave emergency authorization for the hospital to treat the boy with ST-246, an experimental drug for smallpox that is untried as a therapy in humans.

The smallpox vaccine fell out of general use in the 1970s, but the case could be a lesson for the U.S. military, which has vaccinated 1.2 million personnel against smallpox since 2002 amid fears of bioterrorism.

It's unclear why the father was allowed to have contact with his son, who had a history of eczema, shortly after the vaccination. The skin condition is a well-known risk factor for eczema vaccinatum, and official guidelines warn that people with eczema should avoid contact with vaccinees.

"We are looking into how this could have happened," said U.S. Army spokesman Paul Boyce.

Officials say the general population could receive smallpox vaccinations in the event of a bioterrorist attack or other unforeseen exposure. For that reason, experts want to study the Indiana family to learn more about treatment and transmission of the vaccinia infection.

"There certainly are also conceivable insights into smallpox infection," said Dr. Inger Damon, chief of the CDC's poxvirus and rabies branch. Damon has been involved in the daily conference calls on the boy's treatment.

Experts said they knew of no cases of eczema vaccinatum since at least 1990, when the military last had a program of smallpox vaccination.

The vaccinia virus in modern smallpox vaccines is closely related to an older form of vaccinia called cowpox, the disease English doctor Edward Jenner used in the late 1700s to develop early methods of vaccination.

Jenner relied on the observation that milkmaids who had cowpox seemed to be protected from later smallpox infection. He found that patients inoculated with material from cowpox sores also got protection from smallpox. That history is why the word vaccine stems from the Latin word for cow.

Vaccinia was modified from its original form over the years but remains an infectious agent with the potential for side effects.

The father of the Indiana boy received the vaccine in late January before a planned military deployment. The Army delayed his departure and permitted him to visit his family in mid-February.

Two weeks later, a rash broke out on the boy's skin. He came to the U. of C. on March 3 after being transferred from St. Catherine's Hospital in East Chicago. Doctors first identified his widespread rash as a different form of eczema, but it worsened in his first few days at the U. of C.

His mother developed sores after she and her son arrived at the Chicago hospital. Doctors believe she contracted the disease from the boy because of their lengthy close contact.

A pediatric dermatologist, Dr. Sarah Stein, noticed the boy's lesions had changed to look like round blisters with a dimple in the middle--a potential sign of vaccinia infection. The medical team took scrapings from the lesions, which they analyzed and sent to the Illinois Department of Public Health's Chicago office for further testing.

Rapid tests by the state and further tests at the CDC confirmed the boy had the vaccinia virus, officials at those agencies said. The hospital also sent the CDC photos of the boy's lesions.

The hospital already was using infection precautions with the boy, but staffers then added such measures as gloves and face masks. They also placed the boy in a room with negative pressure so the air would always blow inward, keeping the virus inside.

The boy's rash had spread to cover 80 percent of his body, said Dr. Madelyn Kahana, chief of pediatric intensive care medicine at the U. of C. He was going into sepsis, a devastating, systemwide infection rarely seen with viral cases.

"In the later stages of [eczema vaccinatum], it can look like smallpox," said Damon of the CDC.

The boy needed a ventilator to help his breathing because of the powerful pain medication he needed for the lesions.

The boy received the primary treatment for eczema vaccinatum, a drug called vaccinia immune globulin, or VIG. The drug came from a stockpile the CDC keeps in case widespread vaccination ever becomes necessary.

He also got an antiviral drug called cidofovir and the experimental drug ST-246, which has been shown to protect laboratory animals from exposure to smallpox. The drug recently entered preliminary human trials but had never been used in a sick patient.

U. of C. officials said the boy has shown signs of improvement since hitting a low point last weekend. His mother's health was never in serious danger, but she has remained in his hospital room to keep others from being exposed. Health officials in Chicago and Indiana have tracked all of the family's contacts and found no additional cases so far.

Kahana said the boy probably will lose 20 percent of his outer skin layer, but she hopes he will recover without the need for skin grafts. She believes the case should be a lesson to the military, which must educate service members about the risks of the vaccines it requires them to take.

"I think the information simply wasn't disseminated properly or impressed in a manner that was understood," Kahana said, "because I don't think anyone would knowingly expose their child to this."




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HepB Vaccine-vaccinate your infant. Is it needed? Safe? Does it help? Can it hurt?
short couple min video (don't mind a short sales at beggining-its all info-take what you want and leave what you don't)

Wall Street Journal

Autism and Vaccines
Activists wage a nasty campaign to silence scientists.

Monday, February 16, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST

Everyone in our business learns to take a punch, but even we've been surprised by the furious response to an editorial we ran a few weeks ago about vaccines. The subject deserves further attention, not least because the goal of our antagonists appears to be to shut down public debate on the matter.

For the past few years, a small coterie of parents has taken to loudly claiming that thimerosal, a preservative used in vaccines for 60 years, is the cause of autism in their children. Their allegations have scared many parents about immunizations, sent trial lawyers scurrying to sue the few remaining vaccine makers, and inspired an ugly political dispute. Lost in the controversy has been a little thing called science.

We felt someone ought to point out that nothing currently exists in the medical world to justify this furor--that thimerosal has never been credibly linked to autism, and that recent studies in leading medical journals have also failed to find a link. That research is one of many reasons the medical community remains solid in its belief that vaccines are safe.

To our surprise, we had wandered into a hornet's nest of moral intimidation. In letters and e-mails we've since been accused of "fraud," a "terrorist act," and of having an "industry profit promoting agenda." We've been told we belong to a vast conspiracy--including researchers, pediatricians, corporations, health officials and politicians--devoted to poisoning their children. A few have harassed our secretaries and threatened an editorial writer.
As writers for an independent newspaper, we aren't about to shut up. But what worries us is that these activists are using the same tactics in an attempt to silence others with crucial roles in public health and scientific research. The campaign to silence or discredit them has already had damaging consequences.

A case in point is the National Alliance for Autism Research. This widely respected outfit was founded by parents of autistic children, and its staff and volunteers have raised millions for research. When the autism claims first surfaced, NAAR dutifully cofunded a Danish study, which found no connection between the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and autism. Within days, the critics were trashing NAAR, claiming it was under the influence of drug companies (untrue) and suggesting its research couldn't be trusted. NAAR had to spend valuable time and resources rebutting those claims so it can remain a source of honest information for worried parents.

Meanwhile, doctors who have spoken about the benefits of vaccination--Paul Offit and Samuel Katz (the co-creator of the measles vaccine)--have been targeted as baby killers and compared to Hitler. The goal appears to be to silence doctors who encourage immunizations.

That would be a disaster. While we don't know what causes autism, we do know that diseases like measles cause blindness and brain damage. Doctors are already struggling to be heard over Internet rumors, and they report that parents are increasingly nervous about vaccines. That's how paranoia started in England and Ireland, where parents were swept up in autism claims and refused to immunize. Ireland, a country with a population 77 times smaller than that of the U.S., reported 2,000 measles cases in 2002. The U.S. had 37.

As it happens, the thimerosal flap has already taken a human toll. Health officials recommended taking thimerosal out of vaccines in 1999 to help calm fears--but this only fueled claims of a government cover-up. Worse, as Dr. Offit reported in a recent issue of Pediatrics, some hospitals misinterpreted thimerosal-related recommendations and suspended some vaccinations for newborns. One institution later reported the death, from acute hepatitis B-induced liver failure, of a three-month-old infant who wasn't immunized.
Aided by trial lawyers, the intimidation has spread to Congress. Vaccine makers receive some liability protection from the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program--which pays out to the rare family whose child is injured by vaccines. But tort lawyers have exploited loopholes to file billion-dollar thimerosal suits that could bankrupt the few remaining vaccine makers.

When Republican Majority Leader Bill Frist tried to modernize VICP--and require autism claims to go through the program like everyone else--the autism police went to work. They camped out in Washington and convinced three Republican Senators to kill any liability protection. The Senators claimed in a recent letter to us that they hope the bill will be reconsidered, but it seems to have disappeared. The lawsuits go on.

None of this, we should stress, is in the interest of families struck with autism. Researchers have spent years studying the vaccine-autism link, and we hope they continue. But if the research disproves a connection--as it has up to now--the autism community needs to listen and move on. Research dollars are limited, and parents of autistic children deserve to see the money spent where it will do the most good.

Autism is a terrible diagnosis, and we hope science soon gives parents the chance at a cure. But the best way to achieve that goal is through open and honest inquiry that shouldn't be stopped because of the clamoring of an intolerant few.

Thanks for that. It appears to me that the article is opinionative, which is great but it would be nice if the news was purely factual. Which it hasn't been for a very long time. Actually watch CNN and look for opinions presented as facts-its quite interesting.

"That would be a disaster"-purely opinion based on current beliefs (where did they come from) of the writer.

I totally agree that some people attack (attacks come froma place of fear and that is understandable). Attacking creates emotions and fear on both sides and the facts and the issues get lost in emotion.

The more I learn about this the more first hand accounts I get from parents who say there kids were normal before vaccination.

I have nothing against docs. Though I think the training is biased and they are largely influenced by the drug companies.

When there is big contriversy I tend to look at who is to gain by saying what.

One group says vaccines kill and not to do them with no real financial gain to that belief.

On the other side you have big big industrry and billions of dollars.

How can there be such contriversy. One side says they save lives and without we'd be dropping like flies. The other group says they are not nessasary and even kill.

Two such drastic differances suggests drastic differances in beliefs systems.

Ego feels threatened when its belief is challanged. To ego that means its existance is challanged.

On both sides, when ego gets involved, emotions arise and programmed beliefs (vaccines are good OR vaccines are bad) controle thought.

Info comes into the brain/mind/body and write away it is compared to everything you were ever taught, told, believe etc etc. Many of the beliefs were put there by others. Very few people have spent time disecting their beliefs to see if they are really true for them.

It is almost impossible to look at anything without bias and the only way to get closer (never really get there untill you can see both sides) is to start looking at your beliefs and programming.

Almost no one looks at any of the evidence at face value. Every bit ios compared to the data base in the mind of what we have been told and taught.

Current research on memetics and brain washing shows that about 2% of the world has access to their own mind

I wonder what % of the mind conspiracy theorists have access to...I'd bet less than 2%.

Gary Craig discibes it like this.

We live in a room. On the walls of the room there is writing. It is put there by our parents, our teachers, friends, experiences etc etc etc

Maybe we act out on anger and we get in trouble. The writing might say "Anger is bad" So instead of exploring the anger and the true cause (fear) we surpress it and hold it in, or maybe we act out on it and then feel guilt and shame.

Some writing might say that "you hug someone you love"

Some might be "Love always has pain" -say you fall in love and then get heart broken.

"America is best"
"England is best"
"My beliefs are right and yours are wrong"
"Woemn should take care of a man"
"The Thais are better at clinching"
"When you get sick you should go to a doc"
"You should brush your teeth"

They are not right or wrong but they are all there.

When we have an experience and we take in something through the senses, gary suggests that it goes in an imediately compares and consults all the writing on our walls and almost instantly it comes back with a thought or action etc

The point being we did not put all the writing there. The point being that we dopn't generally look back at the writing and ask "Does this serve me?" "Does this help me move forward?" "Does this bring me closer to my goals" "Does this make me happy or sad?" etc etc

The ego protects the writing as its self and own well being.

There is no conscious thought nessasary from interpretation of any experience-it automatically compares with all the writing.

The question is-does the writing really serve us? Does it bring us peace or pain? Does it move us towards what we concsiously have created as values?

IMO&E if we we do not look for and consider what writing is there then we are not thinking consciously about our beliefs. We have not chosen for ourselves what beliefs we choose to follow. They are someone elses beliefs for the most part that ego holds onto like its life depends on it.

Its not write or wrong but this explination from Gary (my interpretation of it) makes sense to me.

I often act or say something without really thinking. Sometimes when I catch m,yself i realise that I have no idea if what i am saying is true for me, it is a conditioned response. it is a response that has come from my writing on my walls and often that writing I have never questioned or looked at as much of it was put there when I was a child or slipped in without conscious awareness.

Here is a song I sung as a child "Onward Christian soldiers, march as to war. With the cross off Jesus, going on before." I believe thaty sinks into the subconscious and supports fighting and killing and suggests its in the name of good even though the same place I go tthat I also got "thou shalt not kill"

Which do I believe? Do i believe either? Do I just think and act on one or both or have I considered and contemplated what I feel is really true and right for me.

That song writes on my walls. Do I want the writing there or not? Without looking my beliefs on war and fighting and killing for God maybe I would choose to kill and war against human kind. This may cause stress and conflict in my being if I also have writing that I shouldn't kill. I personally believe we cause conflict on a deeper level when killing because a deeper level (in my belief) knows we are all part of one human race.

All I am saying is that without investigation we are acting and linving without thought from writing that if we considered it might or might not be what we truely want or believe.

Frankly I am selfish-I want to live happy and in peace. I want to enjoy my life and in my experience as I start to look at the writing on my walls and start to choose whats there i find more happiness and peace. Its not what is right and wrong (which is all writing) it about me being happy.

"The human mind can not act out anything that isn't self gratifying" (pain can be self gratifying as can be shame etc)

I find choosing my beliefs and acting in accordance with my chosen beliefs and what I believe is connecting with deeper part of self is more joyfulk and peaceful. When I don't I feel more pain. I simply choose to work towards peace and freedom. Purely selfish-my writing use to say that was bad.. all I know is that it brings peace to my heart. Peace in my belief and experience, comes from love, not from fear.

Belief that a relationship should last forever is writing on the wall and often supported by fear. Holding on to that thought and belief creates deepr and longer lasting pain than the break up. Is it right or wrong-well for me peace and truth and love is right for me...

Letting go of that writing on my wall lets me move on and helps me to learn and grow from the relationship and better prepares me for the next. If I choose to learn from it it makes the next rraltionshp better.

Like loosing a fight. If you learn from it is it really loosing?? Not in my experience.

writing on the walls says vaccines are good
other writing may say they are bad

But how often have we looked at the writing for ourselves or has it been put there by tv, docs, parents, medical system, drug companies, maybe hippy tree lovers and conspirosy theorists... Doesn't matter really where it came from in my belief system. the question i choose to ask is does it serve me and does it make my life better or worse.

Niether belief is right or wrong in my books. Does it make my life better or worse. To me health is important. So does it promote health or take away from health.

My writing says its important to look at. Someone elses may says it not. My writing says that I can choose and look for myself. Others may writing may say other wise. Its all a choice and if one has a desired outcome then it can be looked at to see if it supports that out come or takes away from the desired out come.

Just choice.

Conspirosy theorists, so called alternate medicine beliefs or conventional medical beliefs, all writing. not right or wrong. The point is the writing is there (IMO&E). Who put it there and does it work for me???

My experience is my health improves when i look for myself. Greater health, in my experience, gives me greater joy in life. It can train better, love better, laugh more, and give back more, I can perform in any area better when I choose health and when I don't perfoermance goes down-this has been my experience.

I choose to move towards health and my writing says vaccines take me away from health. Someone else writing may say vaccines bring health. If they choose health and believe that then perfect...

My experience and belief is simply the opposite.

The thought I offer is-has that writing been adressed and through what writing has it been considered if considered at all?

Dr. Boyd Haley on Mercury toxicity ..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4115912987954370615&hl=en

5 min video on google on mercury in vaccines - also how the research gets shut down even though the evidence is very strong that mercury causes some serious issues (duh)

US president wants to veto removal of mercury from vaccines...

Do you know what is in the vaccines you take or give your children?

"Despite a 2004 campaign promise to the contrary, President Bush continues to allow the mercury-containing vaccine preservative thimerosal to be added to childhood flu vaccines.

Thousands of parents believe the preservative has caused mercury poisoning and autism in their children. Still, President Bush plans to veto the HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill, which includes a measure to ban childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, because of the cost and “objectionable provisions.”

As it stands, flu vaccines which contain thimerosal, are recommended for all pregnant women, infants and children, even though the Institute of Medicine recommended in 2001 that these population groups not be exposed to thimerosal-containing vaccines.

One in every six women of childbearing age has enough mercury in their bloodstream to cause neurological damage to their unborn children, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Max Health July 20 2007"

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/07/24/bush-plans-to-veto-removal-of-mercury-from-infant-vaccines.aspx

School-age boys are now being advised to get vaccinated with Gardasil, Merck’s cervical cancer vaccine, according to mainstream media reports. Previously, the vaccine was only recommended for girls.

The new male recommendation is based on the notion that boys could get throat cancer if they have oral sex with an HPV-infected girl.

According to some, however, recommending Gardasil to boys is little more than a scare campaign aimed at gaining market share from teenage boys.

Even the advice to give mandatory Gardasil vaccinations to young girls is simply disease mongering designed to sell vaccines. This is because girls who have HPV do not automatically get cervical cancer.

Girls who have healthy immune systems, and who lead healthy lifestyles, have little risk of developing cervical cancer from HPV. It is only girls who have compromised immune systems that may be vulnerable.

Medicine Net May 18, 2007

"One must take draconian measures of demographic reduction against the will of the populations. Reducing the birth rate has proved to be impossible or insufficient. One must therefore increase the mortality rate. How? By natural means. Famine and sickness." (translation)

- Robert McNamara , former President of World Bank, former Secretary of State of US and member of the Expanded Program on Immunization as quoted by a French publication "J'ai Tout Compris"


Dr Gotlieb admitted at a CIA hearing of having dispersed, in 1960, a large quantity of viruses in the Congo river to pollute it and contaminate all the people who used the river as their source of water. Dr Gotlieb was named to head up the National Cancer Institute.

What are your cancer research donations doing?

Trust the people selling you vaccines and on the idea you need them?

Is it at least worth a look before buying into the hype and fear?

mercury the active ingredient in flu shots -?
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=476





"The health of citizens is a commodity which is bought and sold."
-Francois Mitterand former President of France


What about Rabies vaccine?
Again wonderful self promoter, Pasteur...

Joseph Meister who was "saved" by Pasteur...

Story goes that no one died, not the dog that was supposedly infected, nor the bitten master... people who were bitten and not vaccinated did NOT die.

Dr Millicent Morden put out "The Fraud of Rabies"

what does happen is after Pasteurs vaccination - produces a state of delirium.. "Korsakoff psychosis" for up to 20 years after been stabbed with the vaccine.


Smallpox - aren't vaccines wonderful??

1905 - Philippines
mortality rate due to smallpox 10%

After a massive vaccination program it reached epidemic proportions killing 25% of a vaccinated population

so they stepped up vaccinations...

1918 - epidemic killed 54% (a time when 95% of population was vaccinated)
Manila, where everyone was vaccinated or re-vaccinated was hardest hit with 65% mortality rate

Get this - the island of Mindanao, whose inhabitants refused vaccinations was least hit... Only 11% died.



hmmmmmm

"It is easier for a man to split an atom than to break a preconception."
-A. Einstein

There are lots of links with vaccines and AIDS which I am not getting into...

A couple thoughts on AIDS by top researchers etc


"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."
Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."
Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.



"It is not proven that AIDS is caused by HIV infection, nor is it proven that it plays no role whatever in the syndrome." (Sunday Times (London) 3 April 1994)

* Dr. Harry Rubin, Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of California at Berkeley: Prof. Harry Rubin

A couple books

"Some Call It AIDS: I Call It Murder" "The Connection Between Cancer, AIDS, Immunizations And Genocide" - Eva Lee Snead

"AIDS And The Doctors Of Death" - Dr Alan Cantwell

All I say in connection is that it is known that vaccines weaken the immune system... AIDS is related to a weakened immune system

Actually the areas in Africa with the most vaccinations are the areas with the most AIDS cases. If you take a clear overlay of a map of Africa and have yellow dots for every 100 hundred people vaccinated once and a clear overlay with red dots for every 100 AIDS cases they match up very very nicely...

Is it enough to start asking questions for yourself before submitting to government controlled vaccinations?

It is for me...

Documentary on vaccines, biochemical warfare and cancer etc

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/1/19/the-film-about-vaccines-you-must-see.aspx

If you get vaccines is it worth a look?

With a baby on the way I am even more convinced that I will not vaccinate my child.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/3/22/u-s-government-concedes-that-mercury-causes-autism.aspx

"The U.S. government has concluded that childhood vaccines contributed to symptoms of autism in 9-year-old Hannah Poling...."

Why is it not clear that vaccines are dangerous and unproven to be effective (both according to CDC documents by the way)

Smear campaigns...


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/14/The-Malicious-Smearing-of-a-Crusading-Doctor.aspx

Dr. Tenpenny has some great info (all based on CDC documents)

Polio and vaccines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD-IuczagIQ&feature=related



Before sticking you kid without their permission try reading the ingredients (some vaccines still contain mercury - and did well after danger known...)

personally I think its abusive and leads to life time of suppressed immunity

Dr Tenpenny is not the most interesting but she has very good info... was an emergency room doctor for years till she started looking at the facts and realized how brain washed she was (not her wording)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBVcrk1zLK4&feature=related

Robert F Kennedy Jr on NBC

"tobacco" science used to support vaccine safety and effectiveness

chemical dumbing down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLBT2U4BtY&feature=related

Why won't MDs drink the poisons they inject into babies on a daily basis?

And win $205,000 !


* * * PRESS RELEASE * * *

July 5, 2009

Ojai, CA -- On January 29, 2001, Jock Doubleday offered $20,000 to the first U.S.-licensed medical doctor or pharmaceutical company CEO to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/feb/10/vaccine_offer.htm

The $20,000 offer had no takers.

On August 1, 2006, Doubleday increased the offer to $75,000:
http://www.vaclib.org/links/jockslinks.htm#press

The $75,000 offer had no takers.

THEREFORE . . .

On June 1, 2007, Doubleday added a monthly increase of $5,000. As of June 1, 2009, the offer stands at $205,000:

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htm

The offer will continue to increase $5,000 per month until an M.D. or pharmaceutical company CEO, or any of the relevant members of the ACIP (now including liaison representatives, ex officio members, chairman, and executive secretary -- please see http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/ACIP/members.htm for a full list of eligible ACIP candidates), agrees to drink a body-weight calibrated dose of the poisonous vaccine additives that M.D.s routinely inject into children in the name of health.

This offer has no expiration date unless superceded by a similar offer of higher remuneration.

QUESTION: Why won't MDs drink the poisons they inject into babies on a daily basis?

QUESTION: Why won't members of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices drink additive ingredients in the vaccines they say are safe?

* * * NOTE: I have just added Lawrence Kaplow to the list of eligible participants. Lawrence Kaplow is writer and executive story editor of the "House M.D." episode "Paternity," in which the main character states that avoiding childhood vaccines is akin to starting a baby-coffin business. * * *


In health,

Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Corporation
http://www.SpontaneousCreation.org
director@spontaneouscreation.org