Topic:Don't Quit Smoking
http://vitalvotes.com/QA/Why-I-Don-t-Recommend-That-People-Stop-Smoking-1943.aspx
This is an interesting and short video clip discussing some reasons quitting smoking may not be a good idea. Its talking mostly from a physical health stand point and I basically agree.
(consider all of this with any addictions)
What I would also add is that, IMO&E, smoking is almost always therapeutic and actually has positive effects. Sound wacko? especially from a health nut like me?
People smoke to feel better. Some say they smoke cause they feel bad, stressed etc. Yeah they feel bad and smoke to feel better! Sure habit sets in etc but give them some stress or something to not feel good about and a smoke is on its way.
This self medicating mechanism serves to ease the stress or emotions underneath that the person may not yet have the capacity or ability to deal with or process.
Put simply a smoke can be a way to ease pain. Without that method of easing the pain the individual is likely to have even more stress from the deeper unresolved issues and pains or stress in the current circumstance than the stress the smoke has on the body.
That is, to a large degree, why smoking is so hard to quit for many people. It is actually serving them in their life where they are at that moment.
To take away something that sooths the pain is dealing with a symptoms of the pain, not a cause.
Fighting ones self to get rid of a survival or coping mechanism adds even more stress and damage and more negative emotions and feelings.
People simply quit smoking wqhen they are ready time and time again. The resistance to change is either less than the desire to change because a reason has been found (say a Mum with a kid on the way) or because the reason to smoke has gone down (dealing with emotional baggage and or learning better methods of dealing with stress and the world).
My thoughts are not to stress about smoking, or any other 'negative' habit one has. It only adds more damage and more pain. Accept it and let it guide you deeper. If health and healing grow then the need and desire to smoke will decline.
As an former smoker (now non-smoker-I dodn't quit I became a non-smoker, very different) I experienced load of stress trying to quit and then when I was ready to stop I had almost no cravings what so ever. Cause I was ready and no longer needed the vice.
But like Dr Mercola says there are plenty of phyical aspects also.
Thought it would be interesting to pass on the video clip and some of my thoughts and experience on the subject.
This is an interesting and short video clip discussing some reasons quitting smoking may not be a good idea. Its talking mostly from a physical health stand point and I basically agree.
(consider all of this with any addictions)
What I would also add is that, IMO&E, smoking is almost always therapeutic and actually has positive effects. Sound wacko? especially from a health nut like me?
People smoke to feel better. Some say they smoke cause they feel bad, stressed etc. Yeah they feel bad and smoke to feel better! Sure habit sets in etc but give them some stress or something to not feel good about and a smoke is on its way.
This self medicating mechanism serves to ease the stress or emotions underneath that the person may not yet have the capacity or ability to deal with or process.
Put simply a smoke can be a way to ease pain. Without that method of easing the pain the individual is likely to have even more stress from the deeper unresolved issues and pains or stress in the current circumstance than the stress the smoke has on the body.
That is, to a large degree, why smoking is so hard to quit for many people. It is actually serving them in their life where they are at that moment.
To take away something that sooths the pain is dealing with a symptoms of the pain, not a cause.
Fighting ones self to get rid of a survival or coping mechanism adds even more stress and damage and more negative emotions and feelings.
People simply quit smoking wqhen they are ready time and time again. The resistance to change is either less than the desire to change because a reason has been found (say a Mum with a kid on the way) or because the reason to smoke has gone down (dealing with emotional baggage and or learning better methods of dealing with stress and the world).
My thoughts are not to stress about smoking, or any other 'negative' habit one has. It only adds more damage and more pain. Accept it and let it guide you deeper. If health and healing grow then the need and desire to smoke will decline.
As an former smoker (now non-smoker-I dodn't quit I became a non-smoker, very different) I experienced load of stress trying to quit and then when I was ready to stop I had almost no cravings what so ever. Cause I was ready and no longer needed the vice.
But like Dr Mercola says there are plenty of phyical aspects also.
Thought it would be interesting to pass on the video clip and some of my thoughts and experience on the subject.
What about smoking weed?
JJ
lol
My opinion seriously though is that it is no different. If there are underlaying imbalances or emotional stressors etc, you only do more damage fighting you coping mechanism etc
On another note I would think cigs are way harder on the body than weed. Now straight tabacco probably is way way safer. But cigs is just nuts with all the poisons and chemicals they add (which is legal cause the right people are making the profit).
My understanding is alot of the studies on weed are funded by the gov and are very biased and not very accurate.
I don't think its near as bad for you as they make out. That said I don't think it is good for you really either. Though if one were to smoke a joint instead of prescriptin drugs etc for pain I think they would be safer off and doing less damage to the body.
Any coping mechanism is signal and an opportunity to do some digging. But fighting not doing it doubles the damage and worsens the stress-which is makes it worse.
In terms of coping. Some people are so stressed out with their lives (especially if their beliefs tell them something they can't experience or goes contrary to what they experience) and need some kind of coping mechanism (I think there are better ones and EFT is amazing!!). But lets say they drink every night. I think they would be doing less damage to the body smoking a joint.
Its society's programming and the fact that its not allowed that makes one seem worse than the other. In terms of health I don't see it that way at all.
We're conditioned to think a natural substance is more dangerous and damaging than artifical and chemically produced substances. ESPECIALLY when the big companies are making big profit on them. But I don't think the evidence shows that at all. The programming tells us that but experience doesn't.
Never mind one make you agressive and one makes you passive.
Personally its not for me. However, it is others who set the standards, based on many things besides the human body and or there needs. Its not about health for a second. Criminal aspects may come into play but only because of law.
Look at proabition...
Its all just BS.
They are already trying to make vaccines manditory. The biggest companioes in the world profit on they trey to make it law. Because its the rules we all bend over and say, oh it must be good and safe.
Fooking BS
Guilt is onwe of the most damaging emotions also. IF you do something and feel guilty you are adding HUGELY to the damage. SO either don't do it or change your beliefs or comtinue to live in your own personal hell.
Answer the joking question Jaime? lol
Do the research and I bet you will find that booze and smokes are way way worse. If you follow the profit and what gets done with the moneys I think interesting things show up too.
My opinion seriously though is that it is no different. If there are underlaying imbalances or emotional stressors etc, you only do more damage fighting you coping mechanism etc
On another note I would think cigs are way harder on the body than weed. Now straight tabacco probably is way way safer. But cigs is just nuts with all the poisons and chemicals they add (which is legal cause the right people are making the profit).
My understanding is alot of the studies on weed are funded by the gov and are very biased and not very accurate.
I don't think its near as bad for you as they make out. That said I don't think it is good for you really either. Though if one were to smoke a joint instead of prescriptin drugs etc for pain I think they would be safer off and doing less damage to the body.
Any coping mechanism is signal and an opportunity to do some digging. But fighting not doing it doubles the damage and worsens the stress-which is makes it worse.
In terms of coping. Some people are so stressed out with their lives (especially if their beliefs tell them something they can't experience or goes contrary to what they experience) and need some kind of coping mechanism (I think there are better ones and EFT is amazing!!). But lets say they drink every night. I think they would be doing less damage to the body smoking a joint.
Its society's programming and the fact that its not allowed that makes one seem worse than the other. In terms of health I don't see it that way at all.
We're conditioned to think a natural substance is more dangerous and damaging than artifical and chemically produced substances. ESPECIALLY when the big companies are making big profit on them. But I don't think the evidence shows that at all. The programming tells us that but experience doesn't.
Never mind one make you agressive and one makes you passive.
Personally its not for me. However, it is others who set the standards, based on many things besides the human body and or there needs. Its not about health for a second. Criminal aspects may come into play but only because of law.
Look at proabition...
Its all just BS.
They are already trying to make vaccines manditory. The biggest companioes in the world profit on they trey to make it law. Because its the rules we all bend over and say, oh it must be good and safe.
Fooking BS
Guilt is onwe of the most damaging emotions also. IF you do something and feel guilty you are adding HUGELY to the damage. SO either don't do it or change your beliefs or comtinue to live in your own personal hell.
Answer the joking question Jaime? lol
Do the research and I bet you will find that booze and smokes are way way worse. If you follow the profit and what gets done with the moneys I think interesting things show up too.
Drugs are bad, m'kay?
lol, i loved him. Beaut character
Cigaretes are gay
I always thought that smoking to relieve pain or stress or whatever is a load of crap as the only real stress that it relieves or soothes seems to be the stress and anxiety that has set in from the withdrawals that have already kicked in from the time elapsed from the last cigerette.
Kind of like wearing shoes that are too tight for you just to feel releif when you take them off.....seems a better idea to have never put them on......or if youve got them on, get them off and deal with each life issue that comes up and dont bulshit yourself into thinking that the stress your relieveing is anything else but smoking stress.
Kind of like wearing shoes that are too tight for you just to feel releif when you take them off.....seems a better idea to have never put them on......or if youve got them on, get them off and deal with each life issue that comes up and dont bulshit yourself into thinking that the stress your relieveing is anything else but smoking stress.
In my experience when I work with clients on cravings and addictions we get head way when we find emotional stressors and components to the addiction.
For example I worked with a client on smoking and we found some stressors that when we released them from his body/mind his cravings went down.
He had increased his smoking around the time of an abuse issue his gf experienced-not by him. We worked on that, released it all and his cravings went down big time!
(interestingly his ex and I did some work on that same case-neither knew. She now has no painful emotion around the memory)
I think many people, if they pay attention, notice that they eat more cookies, smoke more, drink more coffee, watch more TV, bite their nails more etc etc when they are in stressful situations. I find it interesting that when you take away painful emotions around memories in the past that cravings and addictions seem to fade even when new stressful situations arise.
It is interesting what awareness can do.
Migraines for example-find emotional components from the past and they often just disapear.
I know people that have linked their migraines to specific issues (one example if changes in life) and then with that realization can let them go and they don't return.
There is an imbalance in the energy system.
For example I will get chocolate out at workshops.. some times, more so with women, you get people who say their craving for it is and 8, 9 or 10 (0-10 scale)
When you balance the energy system they no longer have the craving. In fact when you tell them to take a nibble most won't. But when they have they have almost always reported that it didn't taste good.
I bhave done this with smoking too... after balancing the energy system they literally do not want a smoke.
The fastest way to balance it is looking for emotional contributers.
I think some people see saying there is an emotional component is an excuse.
Excuse only need to arise when there is judgement-but thats besides the point. I can't say I have met many people that don't have addictions or coping mechanisms. Most relationships for example are co-dendancies (read addiction)
What it suggests to me is any addiction is like a dash light that is telling you that if you want, there may be something under the hood that could be looked at.
Someone could use the emotional issue as an excuse to smoke. Someone else could take that info and heal the emotional issue.
In my experience when people fight something like smoking and quit, they often pick up another coping mechanism or release... food, anger, sex, controling relationship, exercise, drinking anything...
I would bet I could find an addiction with 95% or more of posters on here.
That, in my experience, is why we judge others addictions.
For example I worked with a client on smoking and we found some stressors that when we released them from his body/mind his cravings went down.
He had increased his smoking around the time of an abuse issue his gf experienced-not by him. We worked on that, released it all and his cravings went down big time!
(interestingly his ex and I did some work on that same case-neither knew. She now has no painful emotion around the memory)
I think many people, if they pay attention, notice that they eat more cookies, smoke more, drink more coffee, watch more TV, bite their nails more etc etc when they are in stressful situations. I find it interesting that when you take away painful emotions around memories in the past that cravings and addictions seem to fade even when new stressful situations arise.
It is interesting what awareness can do.
Migraines for example-find emotional components from the past and they often just disapear.
I know people that have linked their migraines to specific issues (one example if changes in life) and then with that realization can let them go and they don't return.
There is an imbalance in the energy system.
For example I will get chocolate out at workshops.. some times, more so with women, you get people who say their craving for it is and 8, 9 or 10 (0-10 scale)
When you balance the energy system they no longer have the craving. In fact when you tell them to take a nibble most won't. But when they have they have almost always reported that it didn't taste good.
I bhave done this with smoking too... after balancing the energy system they literally do not want a smoke.
The fastest way to balance it is looking for emotional contributers.
I think some people see saying there is an emotional component is an excuse.
Excuse only need to arise when there is judgement-but thats besides the point. I can't say I have met many people that don't have addictions or coping mechanisms. Most relationships for example are co-dendancies (read addiction)
What it suggests to me is any addiction is like a dash light that is telling you that if you want, there may be something under the hood that could be looked at.
Someone could use the emotional issue as an excuse to smoke. Someone else could take that info and heal the emotional issue.
In my experience when people fight something like smoking and quit, they often pick up another coping mechanism or release... food, anger, sex, controling relationship, exercise, drinking anything...
I would bet I could find an addiction with 95% or more of posters on here.
That, in my experience, is why we judge others addictions.
There is also a thing called "psychological reversal". The term was coin by
Dr. Roger Callahan...
Basically it just means that for some reason (can be a few) people can be 'reversed' over healing an issue.
So if you broke your toe and you were psychologically reversed, the belief is that the toe will NOT heal. No matter what the modality unless the revesal is corrected.
How this happens is up for debate, the bodies polarities being switched plays can sometimes be a cause. Dehydration can be also...
But try this one on.
A girl is raped. As is often the case, a part of her feels she played a role (this not about logic this is about emotion). If that is true she may feel that being attractive brought it on. This is not rare. So a part of her, to try to protect herself from having such a horrible experience again may make her less attractive. Her body/mind may gain weight in an effort to keep her safe from a potential rape in the future.
So a woman fights lossing weight, goes on diets and only fights a part of herself she is likely not aware exists.
That is just one of a million examples why the we might be 'psychologically reversed'.
Point is there is very very often psycological reversal with addictions, such as smoking, as well as depression, and degenerative disease (some people wonder if degenerative diseases are degenerative because the body will not try to heal due to psychological reversal).
Point is we can judge others for there struggles when we don't know anything about them or we can work on ourselves and offer support and kindness to those we see struggling.
Dr. Roger Callahan...
Basically it just means that for some reason (can be a few) people can be 'reversed' over healing an issue.
So if you broke your toe and you were psychologically reversed, the belief is that the toe will NOT heal. No matter what the modality unless the revesal is corrected.
How this happens is up for debate, the bodies polarities being switched plays can sometimes be a cause. Dehydration can be also...
But try this one on.
A girl is raped. As is often the case, a part of her feels she played a role (this not about logic this is about emotion). If that is true she may feel that being attractive brought it on. This is not rare. So a part of her, to try to protect herself from having such a horrible experience again may make her less attractive. Her body/mind may gain weight in an effort to keep her safe from a potential rape in the future.
So a woman fights lossing weight, goes on diets and only fights a part of herself she is likely not aware exists.
That is just one of a million examples why the we might be 'psychologically reversed'.
Point is there is very very often psycological reversal with addictions, such as smoking, as well as depression, and degenerative disease (some people wonder if degenerative diseases are degenerative because the body will not try to heal due to psychological reversal).
Point is we can judge others for there struggles when we don't know anything about them or we can work on ourselves and offer support and kindness to those we see struggling.
Basically when your addicted to smoking you get a fix when you have a smoke, as
soon as you put that smoke out you go into with drawals, minimal to begin with
but ever increasing like a hunger pang a niggling. The more time that has
elapsed since the last smoke the stronger the withdrawal so therefore the
stronger the stress (withdrawals are stressful) Ever notice how the first
thing a smoker does after watching a mvie at the cinema is to light up a
cigerette when they get out side......thats because they need to relive the
craving and stress through having a cigerette. Each time the smoker does this
he conditions his body and mind into associating smoking as relieving stress.
When a smoker encounters a stressful situation in their life like say almost
having a motor accident they feel anxious and stressed.......they may not have
had a smoke for an hour so through the conditioning of however long they have
been addicted they light up a cigerette ......this relieves the stress and
anxiety from 1 hour worth of withdrawals and therefore seems to calm them
down....it seems to reduce their stress but the only stress it is reducing is
that of being a smoker in the first place. I was able to see this for what it
was when I smoked quite a while back and other smokers that I know have been
able to stop smoking after seeing that smoking isnt really calming or a relaxant
and that once they stop smoking they can learn better coping mechanisns for
dealing with life. Ever notice aswell how some smokers say that having a
cigerette after a meal or after sex seems to make that event that much better
I mean thats not even a stressful situation right! Its because they are able
to bring themselves back to the place where all non smokers are everyday
by having a cigerette and stopping the withdrawals(that they wouldnt have if
they werent a smoker). The event becomes more enjoyable because their bodies
are not going withdrawals any more...they can just enjoy the meal etc. I can
vouch for this having been through it my self and after helping many people
stop smoking.
Smoking retards your ability to develop ways to deal with everyday situations
properly and healthily.
Wearing shoes that are too tight just to feel relief when you take them off!
I choose not to wear shoes that are too tight...I feel that relief all the time
soon as you put that smoke out you go into with drawals, minimal to begin with
but ever increasing like a hunger pang a niggling. The more time that has
elapsed since the last smoke the stronger the withdrawal so therefore the
stronger the stress (withdrawals are stressful) Ever notice how the first
thing a smoker does after watching a mvie at the cinema is to light up a
cigerette when they get out side......thats because they need to relive the
craving and stress through having a cigerette. Each time the smoker does this
he conditions his body and mind into associating smoking as relieving stress.
When a smoker encounters a stressful situation in their life like say almost
having a motor accident they feel anxious and stressed.......they may not have
had a smoke for an hour so through the conditioning of however long they have
been addicted they light up a cigerette ......this relieves the stress and
anxiety from 1 hour worth of withdrawals and therefore seems to calm them
down....it seems to reduce their stress but the only stress it is reducing is
that of being a smoker in the first place. I was able to see this for what it
was when I smoked quite a while back and other smokers that I know have been
able to stop smoking after seeing that smoking isnt really calming or a relaxant
and that once they stop smoking they can learn better coping mechanisns for
dealing with life. Ever notice aswell how some smokers say that having a
cigerette after a meal or after sex seems to make that event that much better
I mean thats not even a stressful situation right! Its because they are able
to bring themselves back to the place where all non smokers are everyday
by having a cigerette and stopping the withdrawals(that they wouldnt have if
they werent a smoker). The event becomes more enjoyable because their bodies
are not going withdrawals any more...they can just enjoy the meal etc. I can
vouch for this having been through it my self and after helping many people
stop smoking.
Smoking retards your ability to develop ways to deal with everyday situations
properly and healthily.
Wearing shoes that are too tight just to feel relief when you take them off!
I choose not to wear shoes that are too tight...I feel that relief all the time
i am glad i kicked the habit years ago, smoking is really a waste of money and health, not just yours but of people around you as well.
Its a fact that nicotine is addictive but its effects lasts only for a couple of days, the cravings are mind related, so if you "want" to stop, there are not reasons why you shouldn't
Its a fact that nicotine is addictive but its effects lasts only for a couple of days, the cravings are mind related, so if you "want" to stop, there are not reasons why you shouldn't
I really think most people addicts of one kind or another could benefit on resolving emotional issues. Most people have them and they have such a big impact on everyday life. Its funny to me how many people invest so much time into making their physical appearace look good but will do no work on th inside until it reaches breaking point.
I think you make some great points.
I do think that the subconscious can sabotage any conscious attempt at times. Just like with an abuse issue mentioned above.
There are many reasons why part of us may fight another part of us doing something.
I also think that just because one can or does doesn't mean another can in the same way. I also think that saying "just do it" and you are 'wrong' if you can't, can cause stress, pain, damage and actually increase the hold of an 'addiction'.
There are many cases of clearing out emotional components of past trauma and cravings and addicions diminishing or disapearing. If someone isn't even consciously aware of that trauma (deepest form of pain is numbness-blocked from memory) and it doesn't get resolved, IMO&E, the benifits of the therapeutis effects may outway the stressed caused by not having an outlet.
Truth is we have never walked in that persons shoes and in my opinion and experience, judgement always causes pain. It is also my experience that when I judge, if I look inside myself, I can find anything I am judging in someone else.
If I think they 'should'. Then I should. And IF I look deeply I can always find it in me.
I do think that the subconscious can sabotage any conscious attempt at times. Just like with an abuse issue mentioned above.
There are many reasons why part of us may fight another part of us doing something.
I also think that just because one can or does doesn't mean another can in the same way. I also think that saying "just do it" and you are 'wrong' if you can't, can cause stress, pain, damage and actually increase the hold of an 'addiction'.
There are many cases of clearing out emotional components of past trauma and cravings and addicions diminishing or disapearing. If someone isn't even consciously aware of that trauma (deepest form of pain is numbness-blocked from memory) and it doesn't get resolved, IMO&E, the benifits of the therapeutis effects may outway the stressed caused by not having an outlet.
Truth is we have never walked in that persons shoes and in my opinion and experience, judgement always causes pain. It is also my experience that when I judge, if I look inside myself, I can find anything I am judging in someone else.
If I think they 'should'. Then I should. And IF I look deeply I can always find it in me.
I really think that it is a good idea to stop smoking if you are going to be training in muay thai.
I know of many people that have stopped smoking after feeling their body become healthier due to training in muay thai....fantastic.
It always seems so easy to find the reasons that you cant do something, find the reasons that you can and embrace them.
I know of many people that have stopped smoking after feeling their body become healthier due to training in muay thai....fantastic.
It always seems so easy to find the reasons that you cant do something, find the reasons that you can and embrace them.
I strongly agree!
That said I think it is detremental if someone is struggling to quit and not doing well for others to say "just do it" "suck it up" "all you need is will power" They take on the shame and guilt (their choice but why push?) that they are not good enough (a concept they likely got from growing up and thier perception and experience of their parents) which is likely strengthening the emotional issues that are creating the smoking 'addiction' in the first place.
I am not suggesting anyone not stop or find reasons... more reasons of how to stop!!!
Its not an excuse its understanding so that if one is struggling that much they have the knowledge that something could be healed inside.
Nail biting, telling people what to do, controling are partners lives, controling our kids lives, eating, smoking, drinking, sex, porn, tv, movies, wanking, anger (we get addicted to emotions too-literally), computer, ax, exercise, MuayThai, pop, partying etc etc
ANYTHING can be an addiction... so to quote a wise man.. not sure what his name was "he who is without sin cast the first stone"
That said I think it is detremental if someone is struggling to quit and not doing well for others to say "just do it" "suck it up" "all you need is will power" They take on the shame and guilt (their choice but why push?) that they are not good enough (a concept they likely got from growing up and thier perception and experience of their parents) which is likely strengthening the emotional issues that are creating the smoking 'addiction' in the first place.
I am not suggesting anyone not stop or find reasons... more reasons of how to stop!!!
Its not an excuse its understanding so that if one is struggling that much they have the knowledge that something could be healed inside.
Nail biting, telling people what to do, controling are partners lives, controling our kids lives, eating, smoking, drinking, sex, porn, tv, movies, wanking, anger (we get addicted to emotions too-literally), computer, ax, exercise, MuayThai, pop, partying etc etc
ANYTHING can be an addiction... so to quote a wise man.. not sure what his name was "he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Yeah, i think Borat said that didnt he.He also said keep it real. You have rocks in your head if you think relieving stresses by smoking is acceptable tradeoffs for the likes of cancer, emphesemia etc.Try suffocating to death for an extended period of time and then tell me when your close to death that you wouldnt have changed your stress relief habit. As for cannabis, i used to smoke. But the reality is for every high there is a low and the problems associated arent so obvious or clearcut, but deep depression is a companion of most, if not all of the people i know who take the drug, and it is made very apparent when they cant find any.Happy and high one moment and paranoid and depressed the next.Personally the way i feel is that if you smoke dope or cigarettes help yourself.just dont do it around me, because even when i was a smoker, i hated the stink of cigarettes.I think i see what youre trying to say Mark.L. Giving something up doesnt rid you of the "problem" that we "assume" is the "reason" one might roast and toast ones lungs with burning and toxic fumes that destroy our bodies. All in the name of stress relief!! . We all have to die one day. The very thought is stressfull and depressing.... Ah fuck it all anyway - wheres my drugs.
I just think it is and added stress to fall to the programming of beating yourself up about something you do. You don't need to beat yourself up to find motivation to change habits or develop new ones in my opinion and experience.
Death is depressing largely in the west and that all comes from our programmed beliefs on it also.
My experience has shown me that if I don't want to see someone do something is cause it reminds me of something I do. One way or another, in one form or another. Its a judgment and all judgments cause pain and they are all a reflection of an unmet need in my opinion and experience when and IF I look inside.
A woman brought her son to Ghandi and asked him to tell her son not to eat sugar. Ghandi said come back in two weeks. The woman came back 2 weeks later and he told her son not to eat sugar. She asked why the two weeks. He said, two weeks ago I was eating sugar.
I would think taking that a step further.
Smoking is an addiction, habit, and self destructive. When I can find no addictions in my life, no bad habits, and when I find nothing I do as self destructive...then I will say "You shouldn't smoke." or think "They are not very good cause they do this..."
Of course my ego does say those things at times but my conscious awareness is to move away from the judgment of others as when I look inside it is always a judgment of self as I always have the same or similar issue. Once I no longer have that issue (my experience is what we speak is what we need to hear - you shouldn't smoke = I shouldn't smoke -or have this habit, addiction, destructive behavior etc) then I'll judge.
At least that is my intention..
I do judge and I accept that part of me. That ego part that learned to judge from my experiences growing up.
They have done studies now where cells and DNA are taken and put in a culture dish. They have the individual that they were taken from have positive and negative thoughts. The DNA literally unwind and wind.
There is hard science that our thoughts and emotions directly and immediatly effect every cell in the body.
I am not saying smoking doesn't do damage. I am saying if you smoke and beat yourself up about it (cause you were programmed to judge) you will do even more damage.
You DO NOT need to get upset at self to make changes. You DO NOT need to judge to move in a positive direction. We live in judgment. We learned it from our parents and from school and from church. it is the way modern western society operates.
I can show you in about a minute that your body reacts instantly to your thoughts, judgments and emotions. Judgment on self and on others (all external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict) causes damage is what I am saying.
Damage from smoking doesn't need damage from judgment.
One can make changes with out being shamed.
Judgments stem from fear and share.
They will actually increase stress and strengthen many an addiction.
At least these are my opinions at present. ;)
Death is depressing largely in the west and that all comes from our programmed beliefs on it also.
My experience has shown me that if I don't want to see someone do something is cause it reminds me of something I do. One way or another, in one form or another. Its a judgment and all judgments cause pain and they are all a reflection of an unmet need in my opinion and experience when and IF I look inside.
A woman brought her son to Ghandi and asked him to tell her son not to eat sugar. Ghandi said come back in two weeks. The woman came back 2 weeks later and he told her son not to eat sugar. She asked why the two weeks. He said, two weeks ago I was eating sugar.
I would think taking that a step further.
Smoking is an addiction, habit, and self destructive. When I can find no addictions in my life, no bad habits, and when I find nothing I do as self destructive...then I will say "You shouldn't smoke." or think "They are not very good cause they do this..."
Of course my ego does say those things at times but my conscious awareness is to move away from the judgment of others as when I look inside it is always a judgment of self as I always have the same or similar issue. Once I no longer have that issue (my experience is what we speak is what we need to hear - you shouldn't smoke = I shouldn't smoke -or have this habit, addiction, destructive behavior etc) then I'll judge.
At least that is my intention..
I do judge and I accept that part of me. That ego part that learned to judge from my experiences growing up.
They have done studies now where cells and DNA are taken and put in a culture dish. They have the individual that they were taken from have positive and negative thoughts. The DNA literally unwind and wind.
There is hard science that our thoughts and emotions directly and immediatly effect every cell in the body.
I am not saying smoking doesn't do damage. I am saying if you smoke and beat yourself up about it (cause you were programmed to judge) you will do even more damage.
You DO NOT need to get upset at self to make changes. You DO NOT need to judge to move in a positive direction. We live in judgment. We learned it from our parents and from school and from church. it is the way modern western society operates.
I can show you in about a minute that your body reacts instantly to your thoughts, judgments and emotions. Judgment on self and on others (all external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict) causes damage is what I am saying.
Damage from smoking doesn't need damage from judgment.
One can make changes with out being shamed.
Judgments stem from fear and share.
They will actually increase stress and strengthen many an addiction.
At least these are my opinions at present. ;)
If some one stops because they "judge" that what they are doing is bad for their body and that it is possibly a smart idea to stop then I say go ahead and judge. Judge away.
Judgment......informed choice......
The junkie shooting up heroine shouldnt feel bad even if he mugs some one to get the cash for his next fix. Cause it will cause stress on his body and wont do him any good. Best not beat himself up about it. Keep using and dont think its wrong cause you may feel bad that you do something wrong...accept that what is is just what is...dont judge yourself. I shouldnt judge him either because I eat sugar. So I wount cast a judgement.
Well I gota say thats not the way I think. I think if I think that someones doing something wrong like hitting up heroine, I will say what the fuck are you up to and give them grief, maybe get a run down on why they do what they do, maybe offer some help.....Im not going to go out of my way to tell them constantly that what they are doing is wrong but I sure will let them know where I stand on it.
Smoking similar deal, I wont nag at someone to stop. I do however think that its not very good for the body and that stopping is a good thing. Thats the judgement I have made given my experiences and information I have .
If I see some one mug a old lady I will make a judgement like "what a tosser" and probably deck the guy and help the old lady . Im a little judgemental like that.
Judgment......informed choice......
The junkie shooting up heroine shouldnt feel bad even if he mugs some one to get the cash for his next fix. Cause it will cause stress on his body and wont do him any good. Best not beat himself up about it. Keep using and dont think its wrong cause you may feel bad that you do something wrong...accept that what is is just what is...dont judge yourself. I shouldnt judge him either because I eat sugar. So I wount cast a judgement.
Well I gota say thats not the way I think. I think if I think that someones doing something wrong like hitting up heroine, I will say what the fuck are you up to and give them grief, maybe get a run down on why they do what they do, maybe offer some help.....Im not going to go out of my way to tell them constantly that what they are doing is wrong but I sure will let them know where I stand on it.
Smoking similar deal, I wont nag at someone to stop. I do however think that its not very good for the body and that stopping is a good thing. Thats the judgement I have made given my experiences and information I have .
If I see some one mug a old lady I will make a judgement like "what a tosser" and probably deck the guy and help the old lady . Im a little judgemental like that.
smoke 40 marlboro a day and you will have the best six pack ever,
by coughing all night long
by coughing all night long
Funny you should say that..I've always thought that there's no better work out for your abs/diaphragm than blowing chunks!!
ha ha classic. Theres a niche in the infomercial market yet to be explored. who needs the abdominizer or 6 minute abs when theres blowing chunks abs. lol
If we start to pay attention and experience the consequences for our actions and be responsible for our choices I think we can quickly realize what direction we want to go, what we want to do and not do.
I don't think you need to beat yourself up about something to change or get results. The praise, punnishment model we got from our parents does a lot of damage in my opinion and experience with myself and with my clients. I have yet to work with a client in which we got into emotional areas, where this form of self punnishment (read self abuse) is benefitial. It, in my experience, is always damaging and promotes behavior that is self destructive.
Granted this concept goes against the norm programming. In my experience, it does a lot of deep deep damage and promotes shaming behavior and teaches reward and punnishment (shake a paw). Individuals praise or punish self based on "doing" and their whole life is based on seeking validation from action. Deep inside one of our biggest desires and human needs is to be accepted for "being"...not for shaking a paw.
side note - I used EFT with a cocaine addict on a craving at a rehab center. He was about to put too small shoes on his broken foot and go try to find a hit, which I don't think he had the money for either. In less than 5 min he didn't want it any more.
EFT works to balance the energy system. When balanced the body doesn't want stuff that is bad for it.
When I work with clients on guilt and judgment, especially the ones they have on themselves (programmed into them usually before 6 years old by parents). When we take away the guilt and pain and shame...the freedom they find leads to choices that promote life and health and love.
My experience is judgment comes from fear and fear causes pain and stress and fear creates more issues and problems. Love and accepting self leads to treating self in a healthier and more productive manner.
"I am good if I do or don't do this" I am worthwhile if I do or don't do that" There is a lot of pain on deeper levels in my experience from this type of thought process and belief system. The shame of having to perform to try to feel good about self and the shame of judgment about not acting good enough, according to the mother and father parts of our ego, does a lot of damage and also keeps the cycle of external validation going.
We look for it in sport, work, sex, relationships, children, hobbies etc etc etc and I believe it is like drinking a coke when thirsty. Might taste good now but it never quenches the thirst and it is a life long search that goes no where and causes more shame and pain. Judgment is fear based.
"All judgments reflect unmet needs."
"All external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict."
I believe both those to be true.
We are programmed that we are not good enough unless we fit into our value system and we project our value system onto others and shame them if they don't live up to ours. The truth is we never live up to ours and it is almost never ours to start with. It develops from our experience of our parents. We couldn't live up to it and feel bad and we spend the rest of our lives deflecting our inadequacies by shaming others for not living up to what we can't.
Show me a man who shames someone who has an addiction and I will show you a man with an addiction.
What is interesting is as we give up our addictions and or accept them, we no longer feel the need to shame others of theirs.
We are very addicted to emotions for example. We can be addicted to how we feel..anger, shame and lust... The body is use to making the peptides and we subconsciously act out behavior to create the situations.
"Humans are addicted to shame." - J. McMullin
In my experience with self and clients and my observation of the world. this is true.
I believe that anytime we shame someone else we are shaming self. Most of us do that many times a day and I am curious how many times I do it today. I am curious how many times I will notice.
We shame out of fear. We judge out of fear. We lie out of fear (worried what they'll think, feeling the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions etc). As the fear starts to fade we have less of a need to do these things...
If I did not feel the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions or of what they may think about me... what benefit would I have to lying?
Shaming someone for lying makes them feel a greater need to lie.
Classic example. I had a client who's dad asked her if she started having sex. She didn't want to answer out of fear. He told her it was ok and that she could say etc... she told him she was and then she got into trouble. Another client's Mum asked him how she looked ina dress. He told her and she got upset.
The thing is when they lie (any of us lie) we are shamed and told we are bad.
The thing is when we speak the truth we often get into trouble too.
truth is everyone lies.
My experience is lying comes from fear. A lot of that is fear of getting judged.
Fear creates the feeling that we need to lie. Its an ass backwards cirlce.
Of course we like to think I don't do that or as a parent I wouldn't.. I would imagine almost everyone can find experiences growing up where telling the truth hurt. Yet we judge so harshly when we are afraid and therefore lie. because the writing on our walls says judge judge judge.
Its interesting as we start to take away judgment, people don't feel as much of a need to lie to us. I can speak from personal experience in this one.
So our programming says lying is wrong and to judge people. I am not suggesting this is true or false. I am suggesting that experience shows this causes fear and promotes lying. I am suggesting this thinking ('right or wrong') causes pain and stress. I am suggesting that not judging causes LESS lying and is much more peaceful to all involved.
I think this applies to addictions and anything that can be judged.
"Love dissolves fear."
Addictions are largely routed and based in fears.
Judgment is based in fear and just like violence begets violence, I believe fear begets fear.
I don't think you need to beat yourself up about something to change or get results. The praise, punnishment model we got from our parents does a lot of damage in my opinion and experience with myself and with my clients. I have yet to work with a client in which we got into emotional areas, where this form of self punnishment (read self abuse) is benefitial. It, in my experience, is always damaging and promotes behavior that is self destructive.
Granted this concept goes against the norm programming. In my experience, it does a lot of deep deep damage and promotes shaming behavior and teaches reward and punnishment (shake a paw). Individuals praise or punish self based on "doing" and their whole life is based on seeking validation from action. Deep inside one of our biggest desires and human needs is to be accepted for "being"...not for shaking a paw.
side note - I used EFT with a cocaine addict on a craving at a rehab center. He was about to put too small shoes on his broken foot and go try to find a hit, which I don't think he had the money for either. In less than 5 min he didn't want it any more.
EFT works to balance the energy system. When balanced the body doesn't want stuff that is bad for it.
When I work with clients on guilt and judgment, especially the ones they have on themselves (programmed into them usually before 6 years old by parents). When we take away the guilt and pain and shame...the freedom they find leads to choices that promote life and health and love.
My experience is judgment comes from fear and fear causes pain and stress and fear creates more issues and problems. Love and accepting self leads to treating self in a healthier and more productive manner.
"I am good if I do or don't do this" I am worthwhile if I do or don't do that" There is a lot of pain on deeper levels in my experience from this type of thought process and belief system. The shame of having to perform to try to feel good about self and the shame of judgment about not acting good enough, according to the mother and father parts of our ego, does a lot of damage and also keeps the cycle of external validation going.
We look for it in sport, work, sex, relationships, children, hobbies etc etc etc and I believe it is like drinking a coke when thirsty. Might taste good now but it never quenches the thirst and it is a life long search that goes no where and causes more shame and pain. Judgment is fear based.
"All judgments reflect unmet needs."
"All external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict."
I believe both those to be true.
We are programmed that we are not good enough unless we fit into our value system and we project our value system onto others and shame them if they don't live up to ours. The truth is we never live up to ours and it is almost never ours to start with. It develops from our experience of our parents. We couldn't live up to it and feel bad and we spend the rest of our lives deflecting our inadequacies by shaming others for not living up to what we can't.
Show me a man who shames someone who has an addiction and I will show you a man with an addiction.
What is interesting is as we give up our addictions and or accept them, we no longer feel the need to shame others of theirs.
We are very addicted to emotions for example. We can be addicted to how we feel..anger, shame and lust... The body is use to making the peptides and we subconsciously act out behavior to create the situations.
"Humans are addicted to shame." - J. McMullin
In my experience with self and clients and my observation of the world. this is true.
I believe that anytime we shame someone else we are shaming self. Most of us do that many times a day and I am curious how many times I do it today. I am curious how many times I will notice.
We shame out of fear. We judge out of fear. We lie out of fear (worried what they'll think, feeling the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions etc). As the fear starts to fade we have less of a need to do these things...
If I did not feel the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions or of what they may think about me... what benefit would I have to lying?
Shaming someone for lying makes them feel a greater need to lie.
Classic example. I had a client who's dad asked her if she started having sex. She didn't want to answer out of fear. He told her it was ok and that she could say etc... she told him she was and then she got into trouble. Another client's Mum asked him how she looked ina dress. He told her and she got upset.
The thing is when they lie (any of us lie) we are shamed and told we are bad.
The thing is when we speak the truth we often get into trouble too.
truth is everyone lies.
My experience is lying comes from fear. A lot of that is fear of getting judged.
Fear creates the feeling that we need to lie. Its an ass backwards cirlce.
Of course we like to think I don't do that or as a parent I wouldn't.. I would imagine almost everyone can find experiences growing up where telling the truth hurt. Yet we judge so harshly when we are afraid and therefore lie. because the writing on our walls says judge judge judge.
Its interesting as we start to take away judgment, people don't feel as much of a need to lie to us. I can speak from personal experience in this one.
So our programming says lying is wrong and to judge people. I am not suggesting this is true or false. I am suggesting that experience shows this causes fear and promotes lying. I am suggesting this thinking ('right or wrong') causes pain and stress. I am suggesting that not judging causes LESS lying and is much more peaceful to all involved.
I think this applies to addictions and anything that can be judged.
"Love dissolves fear."
Addictions are largely routed and based in fears.
Judgment is based in fear and just like violence begets violence, I believe fear begets fear.
If we start to pay attention and experience the consequences for our actions and be responsible for our choices I think we can quickly realize what direction we want to go, what we want to do and not do.
I don't think you need to beat yourself up about something to change or get results. The praise, punnishment model we got from our parents does a lot of damage in my opinion and experience with myself and with my clients. I have yet to work with a client in which we got into emotional areas, where this form of self punnishment (read self abuse) is benefitial. It, in my experience, is always damaging and promotes behavior that is self destructive.
Granted this concept goes against the norm programming. In my experience, it does a lot of deep deep damage and promotes shaming behavior and teaches reward and punnishment (shake a paw). Individuals praise or punish self based on "doing" and their whole life is based on seeking validation from action. Deep inside one of our biggest desires and human needs is to be accepted for "being"...not for shaking a paw.
side note - I used EFT with a cocaine addict on a craving at a rehab center. He was about to put too small shoes on his broken foot and go try to find a hit, which I don't think he had the money for either. In less than 5 min he didn't want it any more.
EFT works to balance the energy system. When balanced the body doesn't want stuff that is bad for it.
When I work with clients on guilt and judgment, especially the ones they have on themselves (programmed into them usually before 6 years old by parents). When we take away the guilt and pain and shame...the freedom they find leads to choices that promote life and health and love.
My experience is judgment comes from fear and fear causes pain and stress and fear creates more issues and problems. Love and accepting self leads to treating self in a healthier and more productive manner.
"I am good if I do or don't do this" I am worthwhile if I do or don't do that" There is a lot of pain on deeper levels in my experience from this type of thought process and belief system. The shame of having to perform to try to feel good about self and the shame of judgment about not acting good enough, according to the mother and father parts of our ego, does a lot of damage and also keeps the cycle of external validation going.
We look for it in sport, work, sex, relationships, children, hobbies etc etc etc and I believe it is like drinking a coke when thirsty. Might taste good now but it never quenches the thirst and it is a life long search that goes no where and causes more shame and pain. Judgment is fear based.
"All judgments reflect unmet needs."
"All external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict."
I believe both those to be true.
We are programmed that we are not good enough unless we fit into our value system and we project our value system onto others and shame them if they don't live up to ours. The truth is we never live up to ours and it is almost never ours to start with. It develops from our experience of our parents. We couldn't live up to it and feel bad and we spend the rest of our lives deflecting our inadequacies by shaming others for not living up to what we can't.
Show me a man who shames someone who has an addiction and I will show you a man with an addiction.
What is interesting is as we give up our addictions and or accept them, we no longer feel the need to shame others of theirs.
We are very addicted to emotions for example. We can be addicted to how we feel..anger, shame and lust... The body is use to making the peptides and we subconsciously act out behavior to create the situations.
"Humans are addicted to shame." - J. McMullin
In my experience with self and clients and my observation of the world. this is true.
I believe that anytime we shame someone else we are shaming self. Most of us do that many times a day and I am curious how many times I do it today. I am curious how many times I will notice.
We shame out of fear. We judge out of fear. We lie out of fear (worried what they'll think, feeling the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions etc). As the fear starts to fade we have less of a need to do these things...
If I did not feel the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions or of what they may think about me... what benefit would I have to lying?
Shaming someone for lying makes them feel a greater need to lie.
Classic example. I had a client who's dad asked her if she started having sex. She didn't want to answer out of fear. He told her it was ok and that she could say etc... she told him she was and then she got into trouble. Another client's Mum asked him how she looked ina dress. He told her and she got upset.
The thing is when they lie (any of us lie) we are shamed and told we are bad.
The thing is when we speak the truth we often get into trouble too.
truth is everyone lies.
My experience is lying comes from fear. A lot of that is fear of getting judged.
Fear creates the feeling that we need to lie. Its an ass backwards cirlce.
Of course we like to think I don't do that or as a parent I wouldn't.. I would imagine almost everyone can find experiences growing up where telling the truth hurt. Yet we judge so harshly when we are afraid and therefore lie. because the writing on our walls says judge judge judge.
Its interesting as we start to take away judgment, people don't feel as much of a need to lie to us. I can speak from personal experience in this one.
So our programming says lying is wrong and to judge people. I am not suggesting this is true or false. I am suggesting that experience shows this causes fear and promotes lying. I am suggesting this thinking ('right or wrong') causes pain and stress. I am suggesting that not judging causes LESS lying and is much more peaceful to all involved.
I think this applies to addictions and anything that can be judged.
"Love dissolves fear."
Addictions are largely routed and based in fears.
Judgment is based in fear and just like violence begets violence, I believe fear begets fear.
I don't think you need to beat yourself up about something to change or get results. The praise, punnishment model we got from our parents does a lot of damage in my opinion and experience with myself and with my clients. I have yet to work with a client in which we got into emotional areas, where this form of self punnishment (read self abuse) is benefitial. It, in my experience, is always damaging and promotes behavior that is self destructive.
Granted this concept goes against the norm programming. In my experience, it does a lot of deep deep damage and promotes shaming behavior and teaches reward and punnishment (shake a paw). Individuals praise or punish self based on "doing" and their whole life is based on seeking validation from action. Deep inside one of our biggest desires and human needs is to be accepted for "being"...not for shaking a paw.
side note - I used EFT with a cocaine addict on a craving at a rehab center. He was about to put too small shoes on his broken foot and go try to find a hit, which I don't think he had the money for either. In less than 5 min he didn't want it any more.
EFT works to balance the energy system. When balanced the body doesn't want stuff that is bad for it.
When I work with clients on guilt and judgment, especially the ones they have on themselves (programmed into them usually before 6 years old by parents). When we take away the guilt and pain and shame...the freedom they find leads to choices that promote life and health and love.
My experience is judgment comes from fear and fear causes pain and stress and fear creates more issues and problems. Love and accepting self leads to treating self in a healthier and more productive manner.
"I am good if I do or don't do this" I am worthwhile if I do or don't do that" There is a lot of pain on deeper levels in my experience from this type of thought process and belief system. The shame of having to perform to try to feel good about self and the shame of judgment about not acting good enough, according to the mother and father parts of our ego, does a lot of damage and also keeps the cycle of external validation going.
We look for it in sport, work, sex, relationships, children, hobbies etc etc etc and I believe it is like drinking a coke when thirsty. Might taste good now but it never quenches the thirst and it is a life long search that goes no where and causes more shame and pain. Judgment is fear based.
"All judgments reflect unmet needs."
"All external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict."
I believe both those to be true.
We are programmed that we are not good enough unless we fit into our value system and we project our value system onto others and shame them if they don't live up to ours. The truth is we never live up to ours and it is almost never ours to start with. It develops from our experience of our parents. We couldn't live up to it and feel bad and we spend the rest of our lives deflecting our inadequacies by shaming others for not living up to what we can't.
Show me a man who shames someone who has an addiction and I will show you a man with an addiction.
What is interesting is as we give up our addictions and or accept them, we no longer feel the need to shame others of theirs.
We are very addicted to emotions for example. We can be addicted to how we feel..anger, shame and lust... The body is use to making the peptides and we subconsciously act out behavior to create the situations.
"Humans are addicted to shame." - J. McMullin
In my experience with self and clients and my observation of the world. this is true.
I believe that anytime we shame someone else we are shaming self. Most of us do that many times a day and I am curious how many times I do it today. I am curious how many times I will notice.
We shame out of fear. We judge out of fear. We lie out of fear (worried what they'll think, feeling the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions etc). As the fear starts to fade we have less of a need to do these things...
If I did not feel the shame of being responsible for someone elses emotions or of what they may think about me... what benefit would I have to lying?
Shaming someone for lying makes them feel a greater need to lie.
Classic example. I had a client who's dad asked her if she started having sex. She didn't want to answer out of fear. He told her it was ok and that she could say etc... she told him she was and then she got into trouble. Another client's Mum asked him how she looked ina dress. He told her and she got upset.
The thing is when they lie (any of us lie) we are shamed and told we are bad.
The thing is when we speak the truth we often get into trouble too.
truth is everyone lies.
My experience is lying comes from fear. A lot of that is fear of getting judged.
Fear creates the feeling that we need to lie. Its an ass backwards cirlce.
Of course we like to think I don't do that or as a parent I wouldn't.. I would imagine almost everyone can find experiences growing up where telling the truth hurt. Yet we judge so harshly when we are afraid and therefore lie. because the writing on our walls says judge judge judge.
Its interesting as we start to take away judgment, people don't feel as much of a need to lie to us. I can speak from personal experience in this one.
So our programming says lying is wrong and to judge people. I am not suggesting this is true or false. I am suggesting that experience shows this causes fear and promotes lying. I am suggesting this thinking ('right or wrong') causes pain and stress. I am suggesting that not judging causes LESS lying and is much more peaceful to all involved.
I think this applies to addictions and anything that can be judged.
"Love dissolves fear."
Addictions are largely routed and based in fears.
Judgment is based in fear and just like violence begets violence, I believe fear begets fear.
"The junkie shooting up heroine shouldnt feel bad even if he mugs some one to get the cash for his next fix. Cause it will cause stress on his body and wont do him any good. Best not beat himself up about it. Keep using and dont think its wrong cause you may feel bad that you do something wrong"
If someone is sensitive to self and becomes more aware of how they feel they will feel bad about doing negative things.
I am not saying we shouldn't have feelings.
Judging someone else makes them defensive and they put up walls. I notice that when I am defensive and coming from a place of fear and am less aware of what is inside. Judging projects fear and defensiveness.
Doing "good" according to someone elses value system that is learned from praise and punishment is not acting from own free will (most people can't) and is shaming.
learning to "...experience the consequences of our actions..." and becoming more sensitive with self, I believe we find that some actions lead to pain and some to peace and quite naturally we prefer peace.
The shame and fear covers and the performance we learn from praise and pu8nishment, leads us to seeking the coke... as we realize the thirst more and more we realize that coke doesn't quench it and if we realize that are actions are not bringing us greater peace we start to want to move towards peace..
Judgment projects fear and promotes the circle or shame.
Love offers opportunity to experience self and I believe the deeper parts of self long for love and peace.
If someone is sensitive to self and becomes more aware of how they feel they will feel bad about doing negative things.
I am not saying we shouldn't have feelings.
Judging someone else makes them defensive and they put up walls. I notice that when I am defensive and coming from a place of fear and am less aware of what is inside. Judging projects fear and defensiveness.
Doing "good" according to someone elses value system that is learned from praise and punishment is not acting from own free will (most people can't) and is shaming.
learning to "...experience the consequences of our actions..." and becoming more sensitive with self, I believe we find that some actions lead to pain and some to peace and quite naturally we prefer peace.
The shame and fear covers and the performance we learn from praise and pu8nishment, leads us to seeking the coke... as we realize the thirst more and more we realize that coke doesn't quench it and if we realize that are actions are not bringing us greater peace we start to want to move towards peace..
Judgment projects fear and promotes the circle or shame.
Love offers opportunity to experience self and I believe the deeper parts of self long for love and peace.
I agree with norms comments aswell. The damage done to the body from smoking is so great.
I think the title of this thread is ridiculous.
Could have been worded better.
I think yes quit smoking.
I think if you feel negative about the fact that you smoke its probably for a reason like that your brain may have reasoned it out and realised that it doesnt really have any benefits and is doing a whole lot of harm ....that for some reason though it doesnt seem so easy to stop so against all better judgement you keep smoking.
Guess what when you do something that you think is bad for you and those around
you ,you feel bad, especially when you dont want to be doing it. Generally we dont like to feel bad so it may be a good thing to feel bad about smoking, may help quit.
unless like the title of this thread you think ... dont quit smoking.
Me I would rather eat a Kilograms of soy and aspartame than smoke. Its toxic and poisonous.The statistics are phenomenal.
"judgment projects fear and promotes the circle or shame."
I think that every one judges, its just a fact of life. The detrimental thing is how you judge.
I judge myself alot.
In my studies I push myself to do better ,I judge my performance In exams...I
judge how hard I train ,I judge how I did in a fight . I judge my parenting....I
judge my driving. I judge wether a movie is good or bad wether a tv show is
worth watching......sometimes I even judge wether its gonna be a nice day or not.
How do I do this? I base my judgement on my experience on the wether in my town over my lifetime with similar conditions in the morning...sometimes Im spot on sometimes Im wrong...
If I judge myself with my study I ask my self am I putting in the best effort that I can, For the result I wish to acheive. If I think that Im not or if im wasting time instead of studying. I focus a little more and I feel bad if I wasted some time....helps me not want to do it again. If I constantly am judging my self against un realistic expectations then thats futile and a bad way to go about it....... I have to find balance when I study and parent and train . So I know if I judge myself against someone who doesnt have the same or similar resposibilities to me....its a little pointless. Although in saying that if I get better grades or fight better than someone else who doesnt have those commitments...My acheivment feels better. Because I know it was harder for me to acheive.
Judgement can lead to change and self betterment
I think judgement and Judging can be both healthy and unhealthy.
I think the title of this thread is ridiculous.
Could have been worded better.
I think yes quit smoking.
I think if you feel negative about the fact that you smoke its probably for a reason like that your brain may have reasoned it out and realised that it doesnt really have any benefits and is doing a whole lot of harm ....that for some reason though it doesnt seem so easy to stop so against all better judgement you keep smoking.
Guess what when you do something that you think is bad for you and those around
you ,you feel bad, especially when you dont want to be doing it. Generally we dont like to feel bad so it may be a good thing to feel bad about smoking, may help quit.
unless like the title of this thread you think ... dont quit smoking.
Me I would rather eat a Kilograms of soy and aspartame than smoke. Its toxic and poisonous.The statistics are phenomenal.
"judgment projects fear and promotes the circle or shame."
I think that every one judges, its just a fact of life. The detrimental thing is how you judge.
I judge myself alot.
In my studies I push myself to do better ,I judge my performance In exams...I
judge how hard I train ,I judge how I did in a fight . I judge my parenting....I
judge my driving. I judge wether a movie is good or bad wether a tv show is
worth watching......sometimes I even judge wether its gonna be a nice day or not.
How do I do this? I base my judgement on my experience on the wether in my town over my lifetime with similar conditions in the morning...sometimes Im spot on sometimes Im wrong...
If I judge myself with my study I ask my self am I putting in the best effort that I can, For the result I wish to acheive. If I think that Im not or if im wasting time instead of studying. I focus a little more and I feel bad if I wasted some time....helps me not want to do it again. If I constantly am judging my self against un realistic expectations then thats futile and a bad way to go about it....... I have to find balance when I study and parent and train . So I know if I judge myself against someone who doesnt have the same or similar resposibilities to me....its a little pointless. Although in saying that if I get better grades or fight better than someone else who doesnt have those commitments...My acheivment feels better. Because I know it was harder for me to acheive.
Judgement can lead to change and self betterment
I think judgement and Judging can be both healthy and unhealthy.
The title is an attention getter.
Dr David Getoff (www.naturopath4you.com - I think) has a food pyramid. Not all on it is what you should eat, it also has IF you eat or do, try not to do more than...
He has soy less than smoking and booze and I think recreational drugs. Personally I think his stuff is good too.
I am not suggesting not to quit smoking and I don't think anyone referenced is. I am making a point on perspective and approach.
My experience is all judgment is fear based and that one can motivate and make changes without basing it on fear and judgment.
We also may have different definitions of judgment.
If I hit my head against the wall and it hurts I can choose to stop or not. Getting upset or saying I am bad for doing it isn't needed to change and my experience suggests that judging I am not as good a person or that I am bad or that my choices are bad, make it harder to change or if I change I may continue or start something else to ease the real reason for the addiction.
Judgment can lead to change. I just feel it is not needed to change and that it can have negative repercussions and can cause more pain.
Muscle test on the word judgment and you will be weak - at least that is my experience.
"The body cannot lie."
Dr David Getoff (www.naturopath4you.com - I think) has a food pyramid. Not all on it is what you should eat, it also has IF you eat or do, try not to do more than...
He has soy less than smoking and booze and I think recreational drugs. Personally I think his stuff is good too.
I am not suggesting not to quit smoking and I don't think anyone referenced is. I am making a point on perspective and approach.
My experience is all judgment is fear based and that one can motivate and make changes without basing it on fear and judgment.
We also may have different definitions of judgment.
If I hit my head against the wall and it hurts I can choose to stop or not. Getting upset or saying I am bad for doing it isn't needed to change and my experience suggests that judging I am not as good a person or that I am bad or that my choices are bad, make it harder to change or if I change I may continue or start something else to ease the real reason for the addiction.
Judgment can lead to change. I just feel it is not needed to change and that it can have negative repercussions and can cause more pain.
Muscle test on the word judgment and you will be weak - at least that is my experience.
"The body cannot lie."
depends what you mean by lie.
If not feeling pain cause adrenaline is pumping through it and your in fight or flight mode till it thinks your safe then your body has lied to you......it didnt let you know you were hurt so it could make you safe....weird aye.
I think your "muscle testing" is very flawed from what Ive read.
How do people test to smoking and smoke free. that would be interesting for you.
judgement can be positive in my experience
Hitting your head against a wall probably causes you physical discomfort from a physical action...right. Then you choose not to hit it against the wall again cause it hurt the last time.
If you make a moral or ethical choice in life and it makes you feel uncomfortable or causes you some emotional discomfort you might choose to not do it again as it hurt the last time ...right.
Are you christian?
If not feeling pain cause adrenaline is pumping through it and your in fight or flight mode till it thinks your safe then your body has lied to you......it didnt let you know you were hurt so it could make you safe....weird aye.
I think your "muscle testing" is very flawed from what Ive read.
How do people test to smoking and smoke free. that would be interesting for you.
judgement can be positive in my experience
Hitting your head against a wall probably causes you physical discomfort from a physical action...right. Then you choose not to hit it against the wall again cause it hurt the last time.
If you make a moral or ethical choice in life and it makes you feel uncomfortable or causes you some emotional discomfort you might choose to not do it again as it hurt the last time ...right.
Are you christian?
Without question (after checking for reversal) someone would test weak to smoking. I am not sure if you are getting what I am intending to say. I believe smoking is very harsh on the body. I am not saying smoking is healthy. All I am suggesting that depending on the reasons for smoking it could do more damage to try to simply quit without addressing some of the issues. That maybe something you disagree with and thats cool. Comments like muscle testing smoking suggest to me that I think it is not harmful. In my opinion it is one of the most harmful things we can do to the body.
Putting the body in a sympathetic response it acts according the the stimulus and prepares for fight or flight. If the need isn't there then your body has been lied to and is responding correctly. Your body isn't lying. Only ego can lie and lying is always based in fear. The body responds to stimulus it doesn't have the capasity to lie. How we interpret information is another story.
The emotional trauma I experience when working with clients is hugely based on judgment that they were taught and base life on.
One can choose not to lie out of judgment and fear or because they choose to move towards a more peaceful life.
Religion and spiritual beliefs I am quite happy to discuss and share opinions though I don't believe this is the place.
I have spiritual beliefs that I intend not to try to force on anyone else. I believe in a higher power that sometimes I call "God".
I believe that any spiritual or religious practice or belief system that brings peace and love is on track.
Actually a topic I very much enjoy.
Oner thing. If there is a God and it is the Christian God... i think I'll let him do the judging and live the best I can for me.
My experience is judging comes from fear and shame and i try not to be arrogant enough to play God (though I do sometimes - human ego)
Putting the body in a sympathetic response it acts according the the stimulus and prepares for fight or flight. If the need isn't there then your body has been lied to and is responding correctly. Your body isn't lying. Only ego can lie and lying is always based in fear. The body responds to stimulus it doesn't have the capasity to lie. How we interpret information is another story.
The emotional trauma I experience when working with clients is hugely based on judgment that they were taught and base life on.
One can choose not to lie out of judgment and fear or because they choose to move towards a more peaceful life.
Religion and spiritual beliefs I am quite happy to discuss and share opinions though I don't believe this is the place.
I have spiritual beliefs that I intend not to try to force on anyone else. I believe in a higher power that sometimes I call "God".
I believe that any spiritual or religious practice or belief system that brings peace and love is on track.
Actually a topic I very much enjoy.
Oner thing. If there is a God and it is the Christian God... i think I'll let him do the judging and live the best I can for me.
My experience is judging comes from fear and shame and i try not to be arrogant enough to play God (though I do sometimes - human ego)
I believe that behind all addictions are unmet needs and that without addressing them one will likely replace the addiction, fail in the attempt and or cause loads of stress in trying to quit and not having an outlet.
I believe that addictions are generally a symptom, not a cause and to me it always makes sense to address the cause rather than take away the signal that there is something deeper going on. Take away the cause and the symptoms usually fade and or are much easier to deal with.
I believe that addictions are generally a symptom, not a cause and to me it always makes sense to address the cause rather than take away the signal that there is something deeper going on. Take away the cause and the symptoms usually fade and or are much easier to deal with.
I get what your saying mark. I just dont agree with alot of it...that of course doesnt mean that Im not hearing you, I am , I just dont realy agree with alot of it.
See I dont believe everything is black and white, I dont believe that everything has a catergory.
Judgement bad , body never lies.
I believe the body can and I believe judgement can be good. some grey areas . hey but thats just me.
I also believe that repeating known truths doesnt make bullshit true if it is tagged on to the end.
I also believe that addictions are generally a symptom and that if one is stopped and the reasons that that addiction came about are not dealt with then it will more than likely manifest itself in a different way.
I also believe that due to a lot of over the top pc bollocks the emotional welfare of a personwhile important can become more imporatant than the persons actual wellbeing and it really becomes away for the so called helpers to get ego boosts by thinking they are doing the right thing, both for themselves and for the person they are helping...all though its the polar oposite of the group out their that every time they see a smoker smoking naggs at them and tells them what they are dooing is wrong .................in the end its has the same effect.........enabling the smoker to smoke.
Im not about that.
See I dont believe everything is black and white, I dont believe that everything has a catergory.
Judgement bad , body never lies.
I believe the body can and I believe judgement can be good. some grey areas . hey but thats just me.
I also believe that repeating known truths doesnt make bullshit true if it is tagged on to the end.
I also believe that addictions are generally a symptom and that if one is stopped and the reasons that that addiction came about are not dealt with then it will more than likely manifest itself in a different way.
I also believe that due to a lot of over the top pc bollocks the emotional welfare of a personwhile important can become more imporatant than the persons actual wellbeing and it really becomes away for the so called helpers to get ego boosts by thinking they are doing the right thing, both for themselves and for the person they are helping...all though its the polar oposite of the group out their that every time they see a smoker smoking naggs at them and tells them what they are dooing is wrong .................in the end its has the same effect.........enabling the smoker to smoke.
Im not about that.
You know how i sometimes blirt something out before thinking eh Hamish.I Was at a BBQ at my daughters place,and she had half a dozen of her friends there. Well, my son lit up a cigarette and it was blowing in my face. I asked him to move downwind of me and he gave me a dirty look- and without thinking i said "i fuckn hate smokers"! Then i felt the place go strangely quiet. I asked around the table and found out they all smoked!!
Cool cool :)
I don't believe I ever said judgment is bad.
I believe it causes pain and comes from fear. I don't believe it is bad.
My question is does it serve my purpose and bring peace or shame?
I don't believe I ever said judgment is bad.
I believe it causes pain and comes from fear. I don't believe it is bad.
My question is does it serve my purpose and bring peace or shame?
Ha Ha Thats classic norm.
One thing that I dont like that I notice alot of smokers do is just throw their buts anywhere, like in the garden ,on the sidewalk on the lawn ...over a neighbours fence.
My girlfriend smokes and Its so annoying seeing the butts in the garden and on the lawtn especially cause thats where my kids play.I dont really want them playing on old cigerette buts.
Or your driving behind some one whos smoking and they just throw their but out the window...where do they think it goes?? into the water ways!!!! HELLO
If your an adult and you wish to support the tobbaco industry and poison your body well I guess thats your choice but please have some respect for the enviroment around you ...not only the people in it but also nature.
I dont know if its true but I used to work with this guy who smoked and he used to keep his butts to throw away in the rubbish because he didnt want fish having the butts stuck in their gills.
Another thing that annoys me about some smokers is when you see smokers smoking in their cars with their kids in.....the kids dont have a choice and opening the window doesnt make it any better.
I make a judgement their too. I judge the adult in that situation. I think selfish and or uneducated. I judge and its based on what I believe is good for the kids in the car.
One thing that I dont like that I notice alot of smokers do is just throw their buts anywhere, like in the garden ,on the sidewalk on the lawn ...over a neighbours fence.
My girlfriend smokes and Its so annoying seeing the butts in the garden and on the lawtn especially cause thats where my kids play.I dont really want them playing on old cigerette buts.
Or your driving behind some one whos smoking and they just throw their but out the window...where do they think it goes?? into the water ways!!!! HELLO
If your an adult and you wish to support the tobbaco industry and poison your body well I guess thats your choice but please have some respect for the enviroment around you ...not only the people in it but also nature.
I dont know if its true but I used to work with this guy who smoked and he used to keep his butts to throw away in the rubbish because he didnt want fish having the butts stuck in their gills.
Another thing that annoys me about some smokers is when you see smokers smoking in their cars with their kids in.....the kids dont have a choice and opening the window doesnt make it any better.
I make a judgement their too. I judge the adult in that situation. I think selfish and or uneducated. I judge and its based on what I believe is good for the kids in the car.
I remember my step dad taking a mate from Aussie on a trip to Rotorua. They both lit up and i was 14 and choking and unable to breath, so I wound the window down when i was ordered to wind it back up immediately! I got the biggest slap round the ears for mentioning that the smoke was making me sick and asking that they let me keep my head out of the window! Well fucking excuse me for being childish and telling Adults what is best LOL.
I have helped several of my students give up smoking and not by saying "its ok mate, dont stress cos thats going to really fuck you up worse than smoking itself". the stress you feel when giving up lasts for only so long and the joy of having given up lasts forever. Weigh the options and choose the way you want to live or Die. Advising people that continuing smoking is less harmfull than the damage done by the stress associated with trying to give up etc is at best ridiculous and benevolent at the same time.
I see the theoretical side to it all, but using this same principle,it could apply to Gamblers, alchoholics, all the way down the scale till we end up accepting murderers and rapists. Drawing the line somewhere in the middle is indeed a matter of judgement. No matter, where one should draw the line is not relevant. Either way, whichever side you decide to fall on, judgement is required. I Will keep my judgement, while others are free to reserve their judgement.
I have helped several of my students give up smoking and not by saying "its ok mate, dont stress cos thats going to really fuck you up worse than smoking itself". the stress you feel when giving up lasts for only so long and the joy of having given up lasts forever. Weigh the options and choose the way you want to live or Die. Advising people that continuing smoking is less harmfull than the damage done by the stress associated with trying to give up etc is at best ridiculous and benevolent at the same time.
I see the theoretical side to it all, but using this same principle,it could apply to Gamblers, alchoholics, all the way down the scale till we end up accepting murderers and rapists. Drawing the line somewhere in the middle is indeed a matter of judgement. No matter, where one should draw the line is not relevant. Either way, whichever side you decide to fall on, judgement is required. I Will keep my judgement, while others are free to reserve their judgement.
The human ego is designed for judgment. Every moment is filled with judgment.
The word can be used many ways. One could say any decision is a judgment. I am using it in terms of judging self and others and our actions or other.
I am not suggesting it is bad I am suggesting to judge someone else causes self stress and pain as well as projects stress and shame.
Weighing options and making a decision doesn't have to come from judging it as right or wrong (which we are programmed with and is ego nature. It can come from discernment.
The thought that someone shouldn't do something (if they are doing) causes stress.
Just the same as wishing a wall wasn't there, thinking it shouldn't be. "When you fight with reality you loose...but only all the time." -Byron Katie
If the thought isn't there its funny how it doesn't bother you...
Anytime you project your value system onto someone else you are putting them in a cage and an animal in a cage is not an animal. Humans are animals and anytime you try to control another human you are making them less human.
A woman took her son to Gandhi and asked Gandhi to tell him to stop eating sugar. He said to come back in two weeks. She came back two weeks later with her son and Gandhi told him to stop eating sugar. When she asked him why two weeks he said that two weeks ago he was eating sugar.
In my experience, if I notice I am judging (I judge lots) and IF! I look deep inside, I can always find what I am judging in someone else in me. I don't always look and sometimes its hard looking, but if I do look I can always find it.
I find that it is the judgments I have of self that I project onto others. A way of deflecting the shame I hold about self.
I believe that the human ego is addicted to shame and fear so if nothing else there is an addiction (for my belief system). However, I have yet to meet someone that doesn't have addictions. (I am open to the possibility some don't - it just has not been my experience that that is true)
Scientifically, we are addicted to our feelings and emotions (Candace Pert PhD work shows this "molecules Of Emotion")
I believe all external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict.
I also believe that we can change no one by direct action (trying to do so is caging IMO&E). I do believe we can change self and that when we do we project that to others and people around us change.
Look ast it in terms of a relationship. Think and or say that your partner should be different than they are and see what kind of pain it causes. We are human and we simply do that. But experience has shown me that it always causes pain...on both sides. Ego love is conditional... unconditional love, maybe not quite attainable as a human, has no judgment - no conditions. It is pure acceptance as is.
I believe one of our greatest human desires is to be loved and accepted simply for being. Not for doing according to someone else's value system. One of the big reasons for wars is the judgment that someone else's religion of value system is wrong and ours is right. Christians (of course not all -looking at countries) say God is Love and God says "thou shalt not kill" and go out and kill to try to make people adopt their beliefs. I am curious what would happen if we smiply lived it instead of trying to force it on others.
Lying is based in fear and shame. we lie usually because we are either afraid of what someone will think of us or are afraid of hurting someones feelings. Going with the former... If we don't feel we will be judged, we have less fear and less of a need to lie. When we don't judge someone (as much) they feel less of a need to lie to us. It isn't relevant if lying is right or wrong in terms of what happens.
I also know that when I judge thats someone shouldn't lie to me and I look inside I find that I lie. And when i let go of the judgment of me lying I judge others less about them lying and people lie to me less and I have lie less.
I am not suggesting that you shouldn't think lying is wrong. I am suggesting that as the judgment lessens lying on both sides lessens. At least this is my experience.
A child is told to tell the truth. Often when they do tell the truth they get into trouble. That is painful. We only lie to protect self from pain and judgment. When someone feels free to speak their truth they have less fear which causes the lie.
Right or wrong doesn't come into it for how the process works. I am not suggesting lying is right or wrong. That is everyones else value system. I am suggesting, from my experience, that we lie less when you take away the judgment.
It is very painful to be lied to WHEN we believe someone shouldn't lie to us. When we take away that belief it is no longer painful (and happens less)
I am not talking right or wrong. I am talking peace and pain, joy and stress.
Find me someone who says it is wrong to lie and I will show you someone that lies.
I believe that the pain we experience from judging others is wonderful. It leads us (if we look) to the judgments we have of self. The judgment that someone else should live up to our value system (mostly placed on the clean slate of our minds by our parents before 6/7) which we cannot live up to.
The word can be used many ways. One could say any decision is a judgment. I am using it in terms of judging self and others and our actions or other.
I am not suggesting it is bad I am suggesting to judge someone else causes self stress and pain as well as projects stress and shame.
Weighing options and making a decision doesn't have to come from judging it as right or wrong (which we are programmed with and is ego nature. It can come from discernment.
The thought that someone shouldn't do something (if they are doing) causes stress.
Just the same as wishing a wall wasn't there, thinking it shouldn't be. "When you fight with reality you loose...but only all the time." -Byron Katie
If the thought isn't there its funny how it doesn't bother you...
Anytime you project your value system onto someone else you are putting them in a cage and an animal in a cage is not an animal. Humans are animals and anytime you try to control another human you are making them less human.
A woman took her son to Gandhi and asked Gandhi to tell him to stop eating sugar. He said to come back in two weeks. She came back two weeks later with her son and Gandhi told him to stop eating sugar. When she asked him why two weeks he said that two weeks ago he was eating sugar.
In my experience, if I notice I am judging (I judge lots) and IF! I look deep inside, I can always find what I am judging in someone else in me. I don't always look and sometimes its hard looking, but if I do look I can always find it.
I find that it is the judgments I have of self that I project onto others. A way of deflecting the shame I hold about self.
I believe that the human ego is addicted to shame and fear so if nothing else there is an addiction (for my belief system). However, I have yet to meet someone that doesn't have addictions. (I am open to the possibility some don't - it just has not been my experience that that is true)
Scientifically, we are addicted to our feelings and emotions (Candace Pert PhD work shows this "molecules Of Emotion")
I believe all external conflict is a reflection of internal conflict.
I also believe that we can change no one by direct action (trying to do so is caging IMO&E). I do believe we can change self and that when we do we project that to others and people around us change.
Look ast it in terms of a relationship. Think and or say that your partner should be different than they are and see what kind of pain it causes. We are human and we simply do that. But experience has shown me that it always causes pain...on both sides. Ego love is conditional... unconditional love, maybe not quite attainable as a human, has no judgment - no conditions. It is pure acceptance as is.
I believe one of our greatest human desires is to be loved and accepted simply for being. Not for doing according to someone else's value system. One of the big reasons for wars is the judgment that someone else's religion of value system is wrong and ours is right. Christians (of course not all -looking at countries) say God is Love and God says "thou shalt not kill" and go out and kill to try to make people adopt their beliefs. I am curious what would happen if we smiply lived it instead of trying to force it on others.
Lying is based in fear and shame. we lie usually because we are either afraid of what someone will think of us or are afraid of hurting someones feelings. Going with the former... If we don't feel we will be judged, we have less fear and less of a need to lie. When we don't judge someone (as much) they feel less of a need to lie to us. It isn't relevant if lying is right or wrong in terms of what happens.
I also know that when I judge thats someone shouldn't lie to me and I look inside I find that I lie. And when i let go of the judgment of me lying I judge others less about them lying and people lie to me less and I have lie less.
I am not suggesting that you shouldn't think lying is wrong. I am suggesting that as the judgment lessens lying on both sides lessens. At least this is my experience.
A child is told to tell the truth. Often when they do tell the truth they get into trouble. That is painful. We only lie to protect self from pain and judgment. When someone feels free to speak their truth they have less fear which causes the lie.
Right or wrong doesn't come into it for how the process works. I am not suggesting lying is right or wrong. That is everyones else value system. I am suggesting, from my experience, that we lie less when you take away the judgment.
It is very painful to be lied to WHEN we believe someone shouldn't lie to us. When we take away that belief it is no longer painful (and happens less)
I am not talking right or wrong. I am talking peace and pain, joy and stress.
Find me someone who says it is wrong to lie and I will show you someone that lies.
I believe that the pain we experience from judging others is wonderful. It leads us (if we look) to the judgments we have of self. The judgment that someone else should live up to our value system (mostly placed on the clean slate of our minds by our parents before 6/7) which we cannot live up to.
If anyone is interested in experiencing what can happen as ego is dissolved to a degree, or distracted (ego can never fully be gotten rid of and not permanently).
1. Get a mirror
(if you can sit comfortably while looking in better but standing works)
2. Have hot and cold water to put hands in
3. Put left hand in cold water
4. Right hand in hot water
5. Look into the pupils of your eyes in the mirror for about 10 minutes
Really just be present with self. Like you are looking deep into your lovers eyes. Just connect with self and imagine looking deep into the your self
If anyone tries, please share your experiences 9everyones is different and depending how present you can get would likely depend on if you experience anything. If you can quiet the mind like you might in meditation - that is the direction you want to go.
Please share - it can be quite interesting to say the least. I have done this a number of times and many of my friends and some of my students have done it.
As ego is distracted or dissolved (sex can help dissolve ego or quiet the mind too) "judgment" changes.
1. Get a mirror
(if you can sit comfortably while looking in better but standing works)
2. Have hot and cold water to put hands in
3. Put left hand in cold water
4. Right hand in hot water
5. Look into the pupils of your eyes in the mirror for about 10 minutes
Really just be present with self. Like you are looking deep into your lovers eyes. Just connect with self and imagine looking deep into the your self
If anyone tries, please share your experiences 9everyones is different and depending how present you can get would likely depend on if you experience anything. If you can quiet the mind like you might in meditation - that is the direction you want to go.
Please share - it can be quite interesting to say the least. I have done this a number of times and many of my friends and some of my students have done it.
As ego is distracted or dissolved (sex can help dissolve ego or quiet the mind too) "judgment" changes.
Wow...seems to have gone wildly away from topic. From smoking and judgement to sitting in front of mirrors with hands in water getting spiritual.
How about every one stand naked over top of a mirror look down at the mirror...this is a view of yourself that you rarely see.
It can be humbling to see this, this will also help to disolve the ego.
Dont laugh at this sight, laughter is your mind trying to soil a real experience and your mind is a product of years of conditioning.
Clothes are part of the shame we have been conditioned into thinking we need to hide from the world.
The snake in the garden of eden started this, we became ashamed of ourselves and covered up. Now is the time to rid your elf of this shame.
Stay focused through out...stand for aprox 10 minutes.
Fight through all the conditioning that society, your peers and family have put on you.
If you are truely able to find the beauty in your perineum you are make making a great start to finding the beauty in your self and those around you.
This is part of the perineum prognosis.
I have had fantastic results with this method......um take my word on it.
This is not strictly scientific....but what is science really anyway??
This is the science of the body and of the spirit.
Like mark Id be interested in hearing any results of your experiences.
It can be humbling to see this, this will also help to disolve the ego.
Dont laugh at this sight, laughter is your mind trying to soil a real experience and your mind is a product of years of conditioning.
Clothes are part of the shame we have been conditioned into thinking we need to hide from the world.
The snake in the garden of eden started this, we became ashamed of ourselves and covered up. Now is the time to rid your elf of this shame.
Stay focused through out...stand for aprox 10 minutes.
Fight through all the conditioning that society, your peers and family have put on you.
If you are truely able to find the beauty in your perineum you are make making a great start to finding the beauty in your self and those around you.
This is part of the perineum prognosis.
I have had fantastic results with this method......um take my word on it.
This is not strictly scientific....but what is science really anyway??
This is the science of the body and of the spirit.
Like mark Id be interested in hearing any results of your experiences.
I choose to believe,
and if the body doesnt lie neither does the perineum.
and if the body doesnt lie neither does the perineum.
I will be happy to share my experience. I would first prefer to give people the opportunity to have their own experience without mine creating expectation. My experiences have mostly been the same, though they have varied and quite a few people I know have shared different experiences. So I'll wait and see if anyone shares. If not and if you really do want to know, weather to mock or not, I will be happy to share.
Maybe it would be better to start a new topic for this rather than using the dont quit smoking topic as a platform to launch another alternative therapy session is all.
Any body try the perineum prognosis??
yeah, i did Hamish. And it made me look like a right asshole to be honest :)
Can have that effect. =)
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Posted: 2007-09-20 05:12:20
Just want to back the thread up a bit and add that Norms story made me LOL, I've had almost the same experiance at work with almost the same sentance!
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Kind of funny how things work out sometimes eh T! LOL If your referring to the reaction as expressed in front of a room full of smokers, it sure can chill a room out real quick! ive been forgiven(apparently), but Every last one of them smokers makes sure im not in their smoke trail anymore,so i guess a certain amount of 'respect'has entered into those smokers considerations strangely enough :-)
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