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peterbar
Posted: 2011-08-08 17:27:51

London Riots
ActionPromo's
Posted: 2011-08-08 17:46:48
These riots have very little to do with the original protest regarding the shooting of that bloke. They are just morons out to wreak havoc and use this as an opportunity to steal things and generally cause trouble. Idiots. They are destroying their own communities. The dumb anarchists will be having a field day. Another bunch of idiots.

I wonder how many crimes in other parts of London have been caused due to a lack of policing because they are having to deal with these tossers?

I wonder how many innocent members of the public have been affected by these mindless pricks? Businesses & homes belonging to local innocent people have all been destroyed.


I'm an advocate of shooting them all with bloody rubber bullets then refuse them hospital treatment to teach them a lesson.... Fight fire with fire on this occasion i reckon because this aint no political stance, it's a frigging mindless riot by opportunists.
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2011-08-08 17:54:01
Hooligans send in the army,

think this is the best way to deal with them

stevie nisbet
Posted: 2011-08-08 17:55:13
didnt embed,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04clpd7h0b0
Brian Ritchie
Posted: 2011-08-08 18:41:30
Use old embed code. Use preview button first before submit.

highlander
Posted: 2011-08-08 20:20:01
roits in britol now
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-08 22:02:34
probably (conveniently) get called a racist here but why is it the cops shoot a gun-carrying black person and there s riots, but when 7 black guys chase down a white kid and kill him , i dont see riots happening . In uk and usa its the same every time.

If its the white middle class who are to blame for society's problems why are they not the ones who are carrying guns, knives , drugs , looting talking bout "mashin peeple up"
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-08 22:12:13
1 word wheres the -"ARMY"
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-08 22:18:41
Fighting on behalf of the oil companies in Iraq and Afghanistan
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-08 23:21:20
LONDON Eye gone ???

They set fire to the london eye now havent they,, all them lives and peoples life ruined,
5 minutes ago

Sandy Holt NO WAY >>>>>? THATS BAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS COUNTRY NEEDED A SHAKE UP BUT FOR DIFFERNT REASONS LIKE-- WAR isnt Nice ANYWHERE ! Peace is Ultimately what every1 wants but MAN Cannot Get aklong... we Even argue with our own Neighbiours 10 feet away... :-(((( so what chance we got |? PLUS way too Many People on our Way too Small Island Great ( was ) Britain ! WAY WAY Too many people here we are falling over each other and NOW its starting to Get BAD I Predicted a NATIONAL REVOLUTION Over 10 Years ago... But it was avbout too mnay WRONGS in this Country Giving People MONEY for NOT working ( those Born here too and those just entering this Country, BOTH IS WRONG )


taken off my Facebook 5 mins ago
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-08 23:23:22


sorry mods re: Punctuation / spelling a rushed typo from my facebook status

LONDON Eye gone ???

They set fire to the london eye now havent they all them lives and peoples life ruined,
5 minutes ago

Sandy Holt NO WAY ? THATS BAD ! THIS COUNTRY NEEDED A SHAKE UP BUT FOR DIFFERNT REASONS LIKE-- WAR isnt Nice ANYWHERE ! Peace is Ultimately what every1 wants but MAN Cannot Get along. we Even argue with our own Neighbiours 10 feet away... :-( so what chance we got? PLUS way too Many People on our Way too Small Island Great ( was ) Britain ! WAY WAY Too many people here we are falling over each other and NOW its starting to Get BAD I Predicted a NATIONAL REVOLUTION Over 10 Years ago... But it was avbout too mnay WRONGS in this Country Giving People MONEY for NOT working ( those Born here too and those just entering this Country, BOTH IS WRONG )


taken off my Facebook 5 mins ago
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-08 23:32:56
wtf that cannot be serious???? are you sure sandy its not on ANY of teh main news websites
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-08 23:40:19

London was always going to be the experimental ground for martial law. First of all, remove the right to ownership of weponds by the public (Hungerford,Dunblane) make it virtually impossible for people not to be tracked by cameras and databases at every point in the city. Next , reduce the police force to such an extent that certain areas become feral no go zones.Allow crimility to prosper, preferring to allow police officers to attend traffic offences rather than catch drug dealers) next await a riot- this is it- let it escalate so far out of control that people will take the only remedy left to the government - ie martial law,teh Army rolling down the streets in tanks curfews, check points etc etc - and of course everyone will accept it because the alternative - gangs of yobs looting and burning - is just too dreadful an altrenative to contemplate.

problem, reaction, solution...dont say i never told you....
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-08 23:46:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XYuMPw6Yi3k


look at this- truly dreadful, poor guy, mugged by this scum
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-08 23:59:33
good post/s Hawkman and Bad bad things situ
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-09 00:21:53
i am kind of hoping that normal people rise up en masse and take the streets back themelsves by force cos the police arent capable in case they offend the human rights/sensitivities of certain groups and "communities".
The Crippler
Posted: 2011-08-09 05:54:32
I wont say to much on this, but the news reports are very biased.

Whilst I dont personally condone the rubbish that is taking place it is nowhere near as bad as they are making out. If it was, you wouldnt have reporters talking to "ordinary" members of the communities outside on the same streets talking about it. 12hrs of a few looped videos, journalist sensationalizing reports to get themselves on TV, and politicians trying to look busy for a change.

P.s. Arent the government cutting funding to organisations such as the community services & police forces!???
The Crippler
Posted: 2011-08-09 05:57:29
Oh, I'm also pleased that after 3 nights of these so called horrendous rioting the leader of this country has gone out of his way and cut his HOLIDAY short!!!
chalky
Posted: 2011-08-09 06:04:55
This country is well and truly fucked.If myself and my wife did not still have family here and could sort a job elsewhere,I'd sell up and go. People and lack of respect/discpline/morals makes me sick.

People looting and getting a 50" plasma t.v when there are people in Somalia dying of starvation....SAD.

People just way to materialistic,beyond belief these days. it's just stuff!! and will be left behind when you are dead.
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-09 09:33:32
not even that far chalky, in 5 years that tv will be out of date. in 3-4 months the trainers these twats have been nicking will be out of fashion. its sheer stupidity. Thye know nothing of the world, they have no idea of real hardship and expect everything to come for free
marianne
Posted: 2011-08-09 15:51:07
so true!! these people are using the original incident as a chance to group up, cause some shit and steal and it shows their complete lack of any sort of respect that they can go out and do all this in their own neighbourhoods. I feel genuinely sorry for the police having to go out and deal with all this especially as their hands are so tied and they all know that at the end of the day, even if some of these people are caught and dealt with they wont give a shit about a fine that they pay £1 a week off or spending a few weeks in prison. Yes our Government has massive problems and there are all sorts of people repressed, angry etc but groups of people terrorising their own communities, looting shops and causing panic and fear to others is very, very wrong. I know it happens all over the world but we are much luckier than most countries. Have these people ever had to see their families murdered, ever seen their families die through starvation and poor medical care? this is all an excuse for some mindless idiots to get yet something else for free.
Brian Ritchie
Posted: 2011-08-09 20:37:21
peetee
Posted: 2011-08-09 20:59:12
check out the security, dude on the right with the blazer, Lol
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-10 00:02:55
the country needs to take back what its given...
Gov gives the workless free money NOT to work
Gives Kids having kids Money for having a Kid and a Free house
the Gov brings thousands in ( we was full up 20 years ago )and gives them Free Hoses free benifits and free health and god knows what else? as i wouldnt know as ive worked since i was 15 and if i stop and you paying our mortage i/we are in the street with bin bags and all those years i/we have paid tax/es will amount to **** all

Time to Stand up and Right the Wrongs
Time for society tio Stand up and Not accept those whom Work be punished by massive fule charges and being booked for petty car crimes of no Rear light or missuing paying your car tax by a day Whilst hardcore criminals sit pretty and we fund them a Very Comfy prison with all luxuries and we pay for their gym memberships Inside jail and then all the help they want and need when they come out to do more crime and all the Police are too busy chasing the Innocent making sure we are good while the bad boys run past drug dealing and milking the system with Scams and suchlike
this country Helps the Bad and penalises the Good :-(((
its Upside fricking down

in a small way im glad theirs Riots i predicted a Revolution over 10 years ago But its Not a Good One as Innocent clean living people are ONCE again getting it in the neck ! it ****** me off :-(((((
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-10 00:08:00
spel sorry try again i was angry ...
the country needs to take back what its given...
Gov gives the workless free money NOT to work
Gives Kids having kids Money for having a Kid and a Free house
the Gov brings thousands in ( we was full up 20 years ago )and gives them Free Houses free benifits and free health and god knows what else? as i wouldnt know? as never claiomed for anything have you? as ive worked since i was 15 and if i / we stop paying our mortages i/we are in the street with bin bags and all those years i/we have paid tax/es will amount to **** all

Time to Stand up and Right the Wrongs
Time for society to Stand up and Not accept those whom Work be punished by massive taxs and fuel charges and being booked for petty car crimes of a Rear light out? or missing paying your car tax by a day, Whilst hardcore criminals sit pretty, and we fund them a Very Comfy prison with all luxuries and we pay for their gym memberships Inside jail and then all the help they want and need when they come out to do more crime, and all the Police are too busy chasing the Innocent making sure we are good while the bad boys run past drug dealing and milking the system with Scams and suchlike
this country Helps the Bad and penalises the Good :-(((
its Upside fricking down

in a small way im glad theirs Riots ( do it on the politicians, Not the Police, they are people like you and me and Work and pay tax, have homes, families, bills the same as us all )i predicted a Revolution over 10 years ago But its Not a Good One as Innocent clean living people are ONCE again getting it in the neck ! it ****** me off :-(((((
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-10 02:20:34
well i think the police are overpaid and do very little, i've personaly been attacked while the police sat back and watched, their response was it was dangerous for them to intervene??? excuse me they are paid to protect the public and uphold the law, that's why they get cheap houses, that's why they have well paid comfortable jobs with great pensions, most police work solving crimes is either solved with cctv(more public expense) or a member of joe public that will inform

the police response is, you will be caught now can the public please inform on these hooligans and do the police's job

they have let the poor areas burn while protecting the wealthy areas, it's the same old story , the have's and the have not's, they then blame the poor people for all the problems? really?? the last riots in which our future king was attacked was mostly public school louts that were raised in £ million homes, the jumped up son of a rock star got 18 months for nearly killing people, switch the script and it's some poor(not wealthy) wee chav or ned and you can change that sentance to 5 years

what the police have done in these riots and thousands of other times across the country is sat back and watched crime and attacks taking place while they do very little, it's the equivalent of a presidential or royal bodyguard cashing the £2-3,000 per week wage and when there's a bullet fired running the other way to protect themeselves

i've had friends that have joined the poilce, they were mild mannered, friendly people that worked in IT, within months of joining the police they would talk of the excitement of their jobs? wtf thrill seeking perverts? as they are getting rushes/kicks from people's suffering and how they couldn't wait to whack somebody with their truncheon next weekened??? this is the same person that if trouble kicked off in a pub they would run a mile and hide under a table, now in a uniform and weapon ready to have it? but that's only if numbers are on side...hardly a brave career choice is it?

society has a lot to answer for, we're too quick to blame the poor, the police need an overhaul and we need police with criminal records struck off from the police, no grey area, black and white like it is for the rest of society, no lean sentances for a wealthy lawyer while bob the builder gets the book thrown at him, this is the opportunity for the injustices in the country to be challenged but i fear it will be manipulated and blamed on a certain portion of society, we didn't see the same scorn poured on the etonians and public schoolboy and wealthy rioters that were throwing bricks and metal bins from the tops of buildings and attacking the royals, yet we're blaming the poor here

i'd be happy if the police wage was reduced by 30-50% and the savings passed onto public sector workers that actually do their job, ambulancemen, firemen, nurses, lifeguards, the real hero's

the violence and looting is appauling and an embarresemnet to our country, the fear the people in the communities that have been under attack must have fealt must be horrific, the police and the governement have let us down, these are the same people that all the working classes will be paying for a comfy retirement for the rest of their lives yet they are clearly inadequate, in the private sector you're expected to actually do the job you are paid to do

hahahah rant over


stevie nisbet
Posted: 2011-08-10 02:33:55
police wages, dont make me luagh, i wouldnt do thier job for th shit money they get,

http://www.police-information.co.uk/Docs/careerinformation/wagesandpensions.html

its like every other job you get good ones and bad, the are constrained by legislation and H&S rules now more than ever its a joke the pressure they are under they spend more time doin paperwork than on the beat, you cant blame them for this situation, they are not perfect but they did not start the problem
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-10 02:45:38
only last week a woman was stabbed to death in her own home after calling the police and asking for help, the police being inadeqaute and failing to do the job they are paid to do isn't a one-off, years ago the starting wage for the police was close to £20k with all the perks, cheap housing, finance, pension for life, i'm all for rewarding good work, point is the police don't do good work, its mostly the public that solve crimes, it's similar to the other governemnt, council roles, overpaid for doing very little, it takes 3 of them to do the job of 1 person and if they ever get a hint of losing a portion of their pension they strike, these people are getting away with sub par performances while the public just swallows it up
AndyC
Posted: 2011-08-10 04:39:03
Billy, you're talking some sense there mate! Apart from the Police wages thing which is a bit absurd. The poor are always the easiest to blame as they have no voice (that sounds cheesey)

Whilst I do think the looters are just, sick, thrill seeking, criminal opportunist scum, who are smashing up their own communities. I do think it leaves a lot of questions as to why they are doing this now?????

Sh!t lots of government cuts, fuel and food costs have gone through the roof whilst the majority of people have less money. Youth clubs and community organisations are thinner on the ground than they have ever been. Unemployment is the highest it's been in years. The standard of inner city schools are a joke. We have a society that worships consumerism and 'things' and people who have 'things'; like footballers and rap stars. This is perpetuated by advertising and sick celebrity magazines wherever you look.

Sandy you can't blame dole bludgers and immigrants for everything as you always seem to do when ever anything like this is discussed. I just think you're simplifying things. Just for the record I have never signed on in my 39 years on this earth, neither has any member of my immediate family.

The government has a lot to answer for; increasing the cost of living for the majority whist planning tax cuts for the rich and allowing tax avoidance on a criminal scale to unchecked.

I'm no bleeding heart socialist and have been sickened by the scenes as much as you all but I think it highlights deeper problems this country has, that 'sending in the army' will not cure.




AndyC
Posted: 2011-08-10 04:43:22
I will be interested to see how the sentencing for those convicted of offences during this riot compare with those handed out for the 'student' riots!







JimmyChoo
Posted: 2011-08-10 05:08:04
Not having it in Eltham!
JimmyChoo
Posted: 2011-08-10 05:08:49
You know you want to live there Copley!
AndyC
Posted: 2011-08-10 05:44:43
Eltham is a carzi full of bottom feeders:) I'm going upmarket to Falconwood!!!!
peterbar
Posted: 2011-08-10 07:00:33




If anyone can identify this seagull please call crime stoppers on 0800 555 111
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-08-10 14:38:23
Fucking shoot all the fuckers not with rubber bullets but with armour piercing ones dipped in cyanide.
At least Camaroon had abolished the human rights shite thing so maybe the ole bill may get stuck in instead of having their hands tied through fear of offending some cunt.
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-08-10 14:40:21
Did make me laugh one clip of those pricks kicking the shutters in on 'The Money Store' did they think it was full of ££££££'s
And Tottenham siging up a new player 'Grabatelly'
Attitude
Posted: 2011-08-10 17:41:23
Hey Peterbar, I recognise that damm gull from back in the 70's. A real smart seagull that one and a trouble maker to boot. His name is Jonathan Livingston.
ps
if you don't understand then you are too young to.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-10 22:21:24
good posts / comments and nice-1 Stevie nesbitt Dont always agree with you but defo on yours above here !



also there right now should be a 9.00pm curfew for all aged under 16

and all bad criminals microchipped
Plus all the people who contrubute stay all those whom havent get gone deport them
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-10 22:23:00
p.s. on a lighter Note....... that seagul wasnt wearing a Hoody??? :-p
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-08-10 22:34:09

WHO YA GONNA CALL???


JimmyChoo
Posted: 2011-08-11 01:57:37
Never heard of it
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-08-11 06:35:52
Yeh call Liam Sandy
Lol
The Phoenix
Posted: 2011-08-11 07:17:47
Police please look at this, there’s no justice just us!!!

I’d like to point out that I don’t condone the riots and looting at all, this is terrible.

We need to look at this with unbiased eyes too find the route of the problem.

It took the police ages to shoot rauol moat that had already blinded a police officer and threatened to kill the police

The crazy guy in Norway didn’t get shot, however if he was Asian or black some people would of said oh it’s the bloody Muslims or not the blacks again!!!
(Fact not all Asians are Muslims, not all Muslims are brown skinned some are black and {shock} some are white)

What annoys me is if a white person does something heinous there just 1 crazy white man, yet if a Black or Asian guy does something the whole race are labelled with the same brush

People don’t understand that there is institutionalised racism in a majority of the police force, in that borough alone several black people have been killed by the police over the years,

I’m not saying they where innocent but no one deserves to die like that (well maybe peodos rapists and murderers)

This guy was shot twice in broad daylight, there was no proper explanation to the family or a family liaison officer sent (that would of infuriated me)

Further more when the 2 police dogs where left in a car and died the officer was immediately suspended and the police statement said there is was enquiry underway

If the shooting was dealt with in a similar manner. There may not have been a protest!!!!

I see someone mentioned 7 black kids chasing a white kid; well Damolol was killed by other black kids!! What about Steven Lawrence justice was never really served to the blatant racists
Also the white wolves doing nail bombings, what happened to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I see people saying shoot them with rubber bullets and water cannons; I think this would make things worse as if these people are in gangs of organised crime
They may shoot back with real bullets!!!!

We have to look at this as a political cultural and social issue

Social

Parents needs to able to smack there kids without being told they are affecting there human rights, (a lil smack never done me any harm) {No heroin Jokes Please}

Teachers need to be able to discipline students without getting sacked (throwing a book or weight at a child isn’t right, the dap or rule was a great deterrent at school)
This will be again claimed to affect human rights however there needs to be punishment, suspending a child is just extra holiday Boot camps an idea)

Teachers need to be more active in looking at ways to engage unruly kids there may be more issues under the surface poor home, learning difficulties or boredom
(Find a way to make that child interested, copying from the black board or if I was being politically correct the chalk board doesn’t engage you!!!!!

Schools should teach some form of martial arts boxing or wrestling, something to use this pent up aggression, I have heard people say martial arts boxing mma have saved them from a life of crime drugs n prison, this will give the kids discipline pride and most of all teach them self respect and respect for others

The police need to use there powers correctly, some do abuse the position of power, I have been victim of unnecessary routine checks because I fitted the description
It’s funny when they are looking for a black Man that’s all it states black male suspect.

If the police look for a white man there is a more definitive description white 5’8 brown hair etc, I’m 6.3 and light brown how can they stop me then a Nigerian who is very dark and on 5.9
(I here people say it, all blacks look the same, which is such a sad generalisation)

Big Business have corporate funds they are meant to inject back into the community, this doesn’t always happen.

The police seize ex amount of drugs weapons and money, where does it all go, I know the money goes to the treasury shouldn’t it be injected back into that community it came from providing youth centres
And other outlets to keep the kids off the streets.

One assumes that these rioters and looters come from broken homes; FACT a 30 year old teacher was arrested

People say its cos there poor, how do you define poor,

my definition would be no food on the table no clean water no where to sleep, poor isn’t not having a 50inch plasma x boz live and the freshest Nike trainers!!!!!!

Poor is an adjective related to a state of poverty, low quality or pity.
Poverty is the state of one who lacks a certain amount of material possessions or money.[1] Absolute poverty or destitution refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter. About 1.7 billion people are estimated to live in absolute poverty today. Relative poverty refers to lacking a usual or socially acceptable level of resources or income as compared with others within a society or country.[1]
For most of history poverty had been mostly accepted as inevitable as traditional modes of production were insufficient to give an entire population a comfortable standard of living.[1][2] After the industrial revolution, mass production in factories made wealth increasingly more inexpensive and accessible. Of more importance is the modernization of agriculture, such as fertilizers, in order to provide enough yield to feed the population.[3]
The supply of basic needs can be restricted by constraints on government services such as corruption, debt and loan conditionalities and by the brain drain of health care and educational professionals. Strategies of increasing income to make basic needs more affordable typically include welfare, accommodating business regulations and providing financial services. Today, poverty reduction is a major goal and issue for many international organizations such as the United Nations and the World Bank.
People say where are the parents or parent??

1 At work trying to pay off the mortgage, car credit card food and clothes bills and a family holiday
2 looting with the kids,
3 All of the above
4 None of the above the child is in inadequate care with no loving family or guidance this child has anything so has nothing to lose!!

Political
Where do I start?

Overpaid politicians, they have had a private education but live in ivory towers and have no real idea of the real world and struggles us normal people are going through
All these cuts and tax increases that don’t actually affect them.

Expenses claims being taken to far, who needs a moat further more who needs 2 homes, id be happy with 1 home I could call my own

The filthy rich bankers – £100.000s in bonuses even though we the tax payer bailed them out, where is our bonus, wealth should be spread equally then no one will starve or need to steal,

The Hoodies – the new term coined for teenagers of all races.
,
The hoodie took off in the 1970s as several factors contributed to its success. Hip hop culture developed in New York City around this time, and the hoodie's element of instant anonymity, provided by the accessible hood, appealed to those with criminal intent.[3] High fashion also contributed during this era, as Norma Kamali and other high-profile designers embraced and glamorized the new clothing.[2] Most critical to the hoodie's popularity during this time was its iconic appearance in the blockbuster Rocky film. By the 1990s, the hoodie had evolved into a symbol of isolation, a statement of academic spirit, and several fashion collections.[citation needed] The association with chavs/neds in the UK developed around this time, as their popularity rose with that specific demographic

Cultural
People are blaming the mtv base generation

Urban Music - glamorises the bling era, this is kind of true most of the rappers came from poor broken ghettos so when they make big money they want to show there success with fancy cars Gucci this Prada that Louis v etc aswell as Scantily clad models and bottles of expensive champagne (that still taste like piss water)

We live in a material world (No Madonna quotes)
Just sit and watch the adverts we are force fed lines that tell us we need the latest computer game the freshest trainers the most luxurious car expensive after shave big tellies and designer clothes coos if we don’t have that we are nothing!!!

Urban Music that promotes violence and gang mentality – I can think of several music videos that would be accused of this Eminem and lil Wayne - Drop the World,

This is just music it should not be blamed for people’s actions……

Look at your DVD collection – I guarantee there are several films that glamorize gratuitous violence and gang culture and not just the typical; adulthood or Boys in the Hood

Look at 300 the x men gangs of New York football factory green mile, these all promote gangs weather its good vs. evil or bad vs. bad, look at the big picture the police are a gang!!!!

A gang is a group of people who, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity.[1] In current usage it typically denotes a criminal organization or else a criminal affiliation. In early usage, the word gang referred to a group of workmen. In the United Kingdom the word is still often used in this sense, but it later underwent pejoration. The word gang often carries a negative connotation; however, within a gang which defines itself in opposition to mainstream norms, members may adopt the phrase as a statement of identity or defiance


The Media have a lot to play in this, how they cover the news,

1st footage I saw was shot in central London, an area with a high black population…..

For some crap reason race always comes into the equation no matter how much we try and dodge it. People are people no matter what colour or creed

I have seen people say they need to go back to there own country that’s so laughable seen as if you look at history blacks and Indians where bought over here as slaves,

Then in the 1970 the English used a Ship they took from the Germans called it Wind rush and then went around the west Indies and India saying come to England the land of free and opportunity
(Do the jobs the white man is to proud to do cleaners bus drivers, my mum told me this and my mums white)

Some of these people are 2nd 3rd for 4th generation Indians, Jamaicans Africans they are still British weather some people like it or not.

We are desensitised to violence and crime as we see it as the norm – the media music TV film computer games and bad parenting (go to your room play computer watch TV just get away from me) have all helped in this

A child between age of 8 -13 has played grand theft auto or, call of duty watched some violent film like iron man predators and several war films listened to a violent song Eminem 50 cent plan b,

We as a people need to do what we can in our communities to have any cause and affect,

Some people say not my problem,

Ignorance is bliss till it kicks in your front door
a.hustler
Posted: 2011-08-12 01:28:06
who ya gonna call? generally the ghost busters i think!unsusure it those guys with all there hitech stuff would be much use against the scum in our country. however if there something strange in your neigbourhood (or zombies or summit) who ya gonna call, #GHOSTBUSTERS#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCHFVTQKqdQ
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-12 02:36:04

no im sorry , ther area where it all kicked off has loads of problems with black youths causing problems, why is it the turks in that area dont kick off all the bloody time robbing people and stuff- it WAS mainly black kids and then now that mugshots are being shown in the newspapers for people being done in court, thye are trying to balance it out by showing say 6 or 7 photos and half of those will be white. Its spin- the fact is you look at the footage and it WAS mainly black yobs smashing the place up. Im not saying there is not a problem with white chavs across the uk but the problem in inner city london in areas with high concentrations of black youths its always the same, gun crime , knife crime, steaming , robberies and drugs. Its not cos theyre underprivileged.
If they could work less hard at developing that chip on their shoulder and talking in that unacceptably indecipherable street patois, then people might employ them.Hackney, Lewisham, Tottenham, Peckham all the same shit and white people regularly getting fucked over my them- do we go out and riot over it? Nope.
Within the black community in London if you work hard at being someone/something people call you an uncle tom or a concout . The black girlfriends i have had (i am white), we only ever had opposition from other black people.
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-12 04:00:05
hawkman, you might only be seeing what you're looking for? or what the media wants you to see??

all i've heard is kick em back to afghanistan and things like this, i was unsure if it was minorities that were causing the trouble, i saw a small clip and it was mostly black and asian kids, then i made a point of looking at the footage and it was clear that 50% of the kids were white

i touched on the police failings earlier and i still stand by my point of view, why are we suprised that criminals are acting like crimnals?

for as long as we've been recording history we've been aware of criminals and how they act, that's why we have the police, thats why we ok all their budgets, yet we keep accepting poor policing and high levels of crime, we don't blame the police(the people we employ to fix this issue) we blame the criminals, it's a farce, if you hired a pluimber that couldn't fix a leax or install a bathroom you'd tell them to gtf and you could use the same principal for any profession yet here we are making excuses for the police's lack of police action

the police would sit in their car with the windows wound up and doors locked watching while any single person in this thread was having their brains kicked in, the police wouldn't intervene, they'd watch and say it was too dangerous for them to do anything...there was police docu on the other day and trouble started in a traveller site(notorious violence) the police officers ended up in a scuffle, you know what? the police were there mob handed in less than a minute...that wasn't too dangerous for them to intervene and it's that mentality that carries through into the streets and it seems it's being accepted by society..that the life of a police officer is worth more than the life of the public...the police choose a "dangerous" *cough profession and it's a hazard of their job

a gang of 7 police men attacked a single child on a pedal bike, the kid was whacked to the floor with battons and then kicked when on the floor, the police were dressed in riot gear, i've not seen too many kids riding around on bikes in riots, or looting on bikes...now flip that and please show me these brave poilcemen tackling 7 criminals at once, they are the same weak menatlity as the gangs, they're just more organised and are legalised

there was footage of a raid on a teenagers home this morning, it looked like 20 police for a single offender, is this the brave police we have? no wonder criminals are taking the michael and the nikes and the dvd players

a 17 year old girl handed herself into police(remorse?) she had stolen a £300 tv, she was remanded in custody until she is seen by the crown court however a 19 year old daughter of a millionaire was caught in the act and was stopped with £5,500 of stolen goods in her car, she has been bailed to her own house..no remand in custody for the millionaires kids eh?

this is the type of government failings and poor police work and double standards that spark this violence, we have injustices that are ignored and are easily blamed on smalll pockets of society

i'm disgusted by the beahviour of these criminals but i'm equally disgusted by the lack of police work by the police, we pay them to protect us and uphold the law

we should condem the benefit cheats, but we should also go after the tax dodgers, they are no differnet and are stealing from the country, so if you pay taxes on ALL your earnings which is approx 40% over £30k and you're not looking to swindle and cheat the system by paying an accountant to advise you to pay cash to a retired relative to avoid tax at 40% or going the dividends route to avoid tax etc etc then you're no different than the expense fiddling mps and the benefit cheats...people obviously spinning the tax issue and they are no differnet from benefit cheats, infact i'd say they are worse as 9/10 they would be doing so for greed rather than desperation
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-13 09:02:20
this is an excellent article and some of the commentary is noteworthy also

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100100845/was-david-starkey-being-racist-on-newsnight-last-night/
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-13 09:45:41
i agree with the death of the british language, i'm a bow boy but lived in glsgow and settled in essex, the language that's been creeping in for 15+ years down here is strange, we'd have the wee essex lads adopt this gangster twang "ya get me init" then when you'd ask why they were talking like it? it was "london talk" "cockney how i'm talking how im walking init bruv"..years ago i'd poke fun and ask the essex lads their area codes as they spent so much time in london? the closest half of these numpties got to london was sitting in the back of their parents car driving through or watching eastenders on the telly,a definate pet hate of mine in the new language of the youth, i order a pizza and i've some lad on the phone "yeah what can i get you bruv, oh u want bear toppings yeah" with that daft twang it's more irritating than being abroad and hearing somebody before i see them yelling allwight geeeza lol it's the language of numpties and i dread to think what people will hear when they visit the uk in 30 years time
The Phoenix
Posted: 2011-08-13 11:12:13
@hawkman, i agree with some of what your saying, but some of the language and talk is from there actual culture jamaican, we dont cuss the polish for speaking there own language etc, good point re turks, it seems that most cultures apart from some white and black families have a deeper family circles and tighter community spirit,

Also i know some black guys with a chip on there shoulder i also know many who brush that dirt of there shoulder dig deep and try and get on like everyone else, however if you are told your nothing given no positive role model and no oppurtunity to progress you will adopt that mentality, (yes its the parents and families that should be giving these influence) im not making excuses but if you look at history blacks are always told your nothing but an N word Boy!! Always looked down on.

People always used to ask me can i get any weed can you get any cheap stuff, because i have brown skin they thought i might be a drug dealer or a thief, i know more white thieves and drug dealers in my area or if we are talking street ends Bruv! Get Me! (Lol just messing my white mother removed my chip from my shoulder and taught me to see it from both sides) you have to see how negative stereotyping affects the mindset of black youth,

@billybigconckers i live in a small town where a majority of the white kids talk street slang it makes you get me bruv and all that jazz they havent even lefty this one horse town and been to london,

Anyway enough of that. did anyone watch how hip hop changed the world with Idris Elba that was very interesting
The Phoenix
Posted: 2011-08-13 11:14:55
Did anyone see the coverage of beach volley ball, now thats where i would of been if i was in london last week!!!
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-13 12:19:35
nice posts phoenix

i can't racists, i'm white with olive skin, i've been racially abused so many times over the years i've lost count, even school friends (down south)would say something if they couldn't keep up with the banter

i've never been racially abused by somebody that wasn't white and i'm yet to meet a racist that can fight, not saying there's none out there but they are few and far between

i had the bnp down my round a couple of years ago, putting their pishy leaflets through all the doors...there must be 100 houses, i was the only person that went out into the street and told them to gtf, typical gang of fat, middle aged skinheads, it's my scottish side i think, as i can't stand any injustice or bullying and this behaviour seems far more accepted down south than up the road, most people don't think twice about calling their corner/local shop by another name and the same goes for the local chinese take-away's, yet this country isn't racist and it's only a bit of fun eh??

i missed that show on telly the other day but i'll check it out on catch up

all the best
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-13 12:20:12

^^^^
i can't stand racists,
billybigconkers
Posted: 2011-08-13 12:25:33
i wish there was an edit post button on here :)

down my round hahaha down my road

Nephilim
Posted: 2011-08-13 13:03:25
Phoenix, I agree that the police are an institutionally racist organisation. But what I will say is that it's racism in a way that 90% of the public don't know. They assume the police are simply out to get all non whites etc. in the stereotypical neo-nazi ish fashion but that's simply not true.

What the issue is, is that people bandy about the term "institutionally racist" without knowing what it actually means. It's not the individual police' opinions or doings, what makes the organisation racist are the rules and regulations sent down on from on high. The attitudes nurtured among the force and the consequences thereof.

This has nothing to do with the london riots however. All I know is that it's claimed that the boy they shot was shooting at them first. I'm sorry, if I'm only getting paid 21k a year then i aint letting some dickhead without two braincells to rub together and a deep resentment for society that's been bred into him simply because of the area he's grew up in shoot at me without defending myself. If he was shooting at police the little fucker got everything he deserved.

Without going into the race issue much as I don't think it's really the root of the problem, you're defending the whole racial minority segment far too much when the bottom line is that most areas that have been hit by the rioting and looting are areas high in ethnic minorities. Indeed, I don't think I've seen a single picture where the majority of the looters are white. Now whilst london does indeed have huge populations of asians, black britons etc. the white's are still very much the vast majority.

Race isn't the real reason for these riots however. I believe the initial protest stems from that. But the riots as we have em now stem from sociological and community problems which are way outside the capabilities of our government to deal with.

You have probably the most relaxed immigration laws in the world besides mexico and provide ridiculous benefits to everyone in the country who doesn't have a job then it's only a matter of time before the scum rises.
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-14 05:11:15
the guy on newsnight made a good point that if the riots had a soociopolitical point to make , why did no one attack governmental buildings? NO town halls were attacked,if people were angry about all the bank bailouts , how come no banks were attacked?
It was basically shoppping with violence- it wasnt have nots attacking the haves, it was the haves wanting to have more more , for free. It was also the oiks in society testing the boundaries against a police whom they have learned not to respect or fear.

Nephilim
Posted: 2011-08-14 06:05:09
I agree hawkman. Year by year the police have more powers taken away and more restrictions placed on them and how they go about enforcing the law. This is the kind of stuff that results in 6 or 7 policemen needed to restrain one smacked up little junkie simply because they have to be extremely careful about force applied etc. Once people see stuff like that they lose any sort of fear or respect.

Y'know, in germany it's the opposite, the police are actually taught that the average civilian should have a "healthy fear" of the police. They have no where near the same kind of resentment to authority.
Aaron Kerr
Posted: 2011-08-14 08:59:22
The news footage over here, showed mainly whites rioting and looting. And as far as I am aware, the guy who got shot by police didn't shoot at all.

Oh, I am white by the way, so I'm not trying to turn on or back up any race, just saying it as I've seen it.
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-14 10:39:18
anyone who's ever been on a night bus round archway or wood green and had a group of black youths get on can tell you what usually happens. Likewise in Lewisham or Thamesmead. And the same thing usually happens at Slade Green or Thamesmead or Ponders End when a bunch of white youths get on. There will be trouble, usually with innocent people being targeted. ANd these cunts have no fear. A few years ago me and my then girlfriend (who was black) were on a train on the way to dartford one night, i was about 26 at the time and i was the size of a house, some little white fucker chav probably about 13 years old wanted to do me over so it was basically me and this little prick squaring up in the middle of the train haha, i think my arm was bigger than his whole body, then about 6 of his mates wanted to get involved before my girlfriend started shouting at them in Jive/Ghetto and they fucked off. Thing is they had no fear . They had never had the privilege of a good beating (when deserved). Now - these are white scum and the media and white people have no fear or shame in admitting that there is an apparently LARGE section of the white youth population who are scum of the earth. Its time for the black "community" to admit the same, its nothing to do with institutionalised racism or being underprivileged (fuck me round Tottenham theyve all got bmw's nice trainers and jewellery) being vitcimised by the "Babylon", its cos they're scum. Just like a lot of white chavs are lazy, idle, stupid, dirty thieveing scum, there are concentrations of lazy, drug dealing, disrespectful, looting,mugging raping mysogynistic black scum. They have scum DNA, black or white , doesnt discrimate.
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-08-14 13:52:48
well said mate, agree with a lot of that
AndyC
Posted: 2011-08-15 04:52:32
""" it's my scottish side i think, as i can't stand any injustice or bullying""

I never knew the Scots were well known for standing up to the worlds injustices. nearly every Scottish person I have met has been racist; I kid ye not!

Scotland is pretty much a mono cultural society when compared to England.
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-15 22:36:11
"nearly every Scottish person I have met has been racist"

lol that could be construed as racist in itself
AndyC
Posted: 2011-08-16 03:20:06
I know, it was meant 'slightly' tounge in cheek as a response to the comment 'it must be my scottish side' which indicated Scots everywhere are currently involved in fighting injustice wherever they may find it!!!! I found that comment quite amusing!

Our Scottish brethern are standard bearers of liberalism and are known to embrace all cultures and religions; unless you're English of course........


HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-16 04:48:11
well thats the pot calling the kettle black! ;-)
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-08-16 11:17:54
was gonna say. I know plenty of english people living in scotland and the fact that they're english never even gets raised. The amount of times I go south and get called a jock or have my seemingly inferior scottish bank notes declined in shops is crazy.

trust me mate, you don't want to raise the issue of who's more racist against the other. especially when its going completely off topic.
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2011-08-17 02:58:11
i ve never been there so i cant say. anyway i think the whole topic went quiet . tbh i was expecting a lot people to call me racist, im just glad i got a chance to express my point of view without that.
AndyC
Posted: 2011-08-17 04:43:22
""trust me mate, you don't want to raise the issue of who's more racist against the other"" Why, will you strike me down with you superior intellect and informed argument???

peetee
Posted: 2011-08-17 06:29:08
you guys are far to serious, by the way i just bought some nike trainers in my local for a fiver
oneofthegalaxytwins
Posted: 2011-08-20 07:34:37
The ex con just outa nick on his way to AA either his car had conked out or he is a pisspot anyway he robbed some crispy cream donuts from a shop and got 16 months.
What a DONUT he is.
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2012-03-03 00:58:07
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/02/good-samaritans-malaysian-student-riots-convicted

i hope they get 5 years
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Doylie
Posted: 2012-04-12 11:45:01
Nice to see the guy who burnt down Reeves Corner in Croydon, got 11 and a half years yesterday.
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