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Topic:Msa Muay Thai Premier League - 7th November
Posted: 2009-06-04 06:52:07

Just seen this fellas

Master Sken writes...

My show: MSA Muay Thai Premier League - 7th November 2009

Saenchai The Legend V Rob Storey(very tough and great personality)
Sakeddaw(new Super Star and beat Anuwat May 09) V Liam "The Hitman"Harrison
Rungravee(Best and most exciting fighter TV 7) V Andy Howson

Plus Michael Dicks, Andy Thrasher, Daniel Hudson, Daiton Jackson, Jordan Calder and many....more


Posted: 2009-06-04 06:53:54
This is going to be the show to top all shows in the UK, can't wait, Awesome.
Posted: 2009-06-04 06:57:29
Gav trained alot with Rungravee am sure?? xx
matthew goulden
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:01:18
certainly a good line up already.I like the sense of competition that shows/promoters are succombing to.Means better MT in the UK!Who can top this line up????????
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:05:43
And it's at the Reebok, top class venue.
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:12:05
Showtime Shoremans going xx
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:19:01
Was hoping you would say that Vinny, hope your taking your mike.
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:25:27
Would love to go myself :P
Rungrawee is a strong aggressive walk forward style fighter him vs Andy should be a thriller
Sagetdao very strong in clinch and with knees, just lost a very close debatable fight with Jmthong Chuwattana and before that beat Anuwat on points and Koed NongB
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:41:51
well im prob gonna get kneed into another realm ha...cant wait to see saenchai over here again...
Posted: 2009-06-04 07:50:10

love to see this again
White Wolf
Posted: 2009-06-04 08:13:15
Setting the bar for us kickboxing promoters to chase .... good luck with it guys
Liam R
Posted: 2009-06-04 08:36:20
ko'd nong b! good fight for liam no1 fighting at this level consistently now hes in league of his own
Posted: 2009-06-04 09:11:51
Yeah i saw this line up on master sken's website other day.. Needless to say it sounds and looks awesome plus after not been able to attend the rumble show.. Gutted!.. this is already pencilled in on calender and no way am i missing this one!
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-06-04 10:16:28
whos daitan jackson fighting?
Posted: 2009-06-04 10:18:48
This lineup is ridonkulous! All the best Liam & Andy ;)
Posted: 2009-06-04 10:23:59
from Master Skens site

Master Sken launches MSA with ‘Muay Thai Premier League’

Master Sken takes Thai Boxing promotion in the UK to new levels with ‘Muay Thai Premier League’ at the Reebok De Vere White Hotel, Bolton on November 1st, 2009. Sanctioned by the World Muay Thai Council, Thailand, the show features top class World Championship clashes including Saenchai Sor Kingstar (Thailand) V Rob Storey (England), Rungravee Sasiprapa (Thailand) V Andy Howson (England) and Sakeddaw (Thailand) V Liam “The Hit man “Harrison (England). The show is also notable for the fact that it marks the official launch of MSA (Master Sken Academy) which is dedicated to making Muaythai a mainstream global media sport. MSA shows will feature the very best Muay Thai champions from Thailand as well as from around the globe.

Master Sken has teamed up with Dr Swee Lip Quek, to create an organization that will truly stand out as an ambassador for Muay Thai – and turbocharge the profile and essential culture of Thai martial arts within the world of entertainment and media.

The timing for this venture is key to its success and Master Sken notes that various factors have raised the profile of Muay Thai worldwide - not least the global success of the film ‘Ong Bak’ and the commercial impact of the UFC and MMA, especially as Muay Thai is dominant as the stand-up art of many top MMA fighters. With these factors in mind, he believes that Muay Thai can recapture the television coverage it had with ‘Now is the Time’. To this end he has a dedicated team working on the TV issue, stating that “we are getting very close to completing deals with many TV companies and it is a matter of choosing those which we should partner with for the longer term. We are now negotiating with Setanta, Middle East, Italian, Korean, Singaporean, Thai and American television stations.” It is for this reason that he selects top quality fighters for his shows and focuses on match making as “it is so important that Muay Thai is being promoted properly and provides hugely enjoyable viewing for ‘live’ and media audiences alike.”

The key to achieving MSA’s ultimate objective to bring the best of Muay Thai to the world is to ensure that it is devoted to getting the best from and for viewers, fighters, investors, sponsors, partners and staff alike. Without an all-round win-win motivational focus, any success will not be sustainable. The golden rule “do for others what you wish others would do for you – and add a bit more” is of MSA’s founding tenets.

Master Sken firmly believes that Muay Thai is not only a heritage of Thailand but also a heritage of the World.

Master Sken’s thoughts on the title fights in the November Muay Thai Premier League show:

1. WMC Supreme World Muaythai Championship
Saenchai Sor. Kingstar (Thailand) V Rob Storey (England)
Saenchai is a great champion of Thailand and Thailand Sport Personality of 2008. He defeated Liam” The Hit man” Harrison the beginning of this year. He has all round excellent techniques of Muaythai and Muay Boran and is a living legend. Rob Storey, from Keddles Gym, defeated Rung from Thailand, April this year. Storey is a very tough fighter from an excellent trainer- Alan Keddle. This will be a remarkable fight and people will travel from over the country – and from Europe - to watch this.

2. WMC Supreme World Muaythai Championship
Rungravee Sasiprapa (Thailand) V Andy Howson (England)
Rungravee is recognized as one of (Thai) Television Stadium Channel 5‘s best fighters and was voted ‘Best Fight of the year 2009’. He is from Sasiprapa gym, voted by the Thai media as the ‘Best Muay Thai gym 2008.’ Andy Howson is exceptionally tough and one of the best fighters from our shores. This fight is potentially one of best fights of the year.

3. Sakeddaw (Thailand) V Liam ‘The Hit man’ Harrison (England)
Sakeddaw is a top champion of both the Lumpinee and Ratchadamnern stadiums. In April, he defeated the legendary Anuwat Kaewsamrit, who is a Muaythai superstar and, indeed, ‘living legend’. Again this is another fight that will not disappoint - and is another candidate for the title of ‘Best Fight of the Year’ in 2009.

4 Rung (Thailand/Scotland) V Panikos Yusuf (Cyprus/England)
Rung is very experienced fighter; a former World Champion who has beaten Richard Cadden and many highly ranked fighters from around the World. Panikos won his last two fights by KOs and is a tenacious fighter. Both will come well prepared for what will surely be another thrilling showdown.

Posted: 2009-06-04 10:26:31

Salford Thai
Posted: 2009-06-04 10:29:23
master sken

looks ace sir and are priverliged to support you like you us

cheers daz
Posted: 2009-06-04 10:36:43
I promise nothing but will give more.I hope to achieve this goal in my mind right now.
4 WMC World Title fights
1 WMC European Title fight
4 UKMF British Title Fights
How is this sound?
I believe I can do it.I have 50 fighters would like to be on this show. But I may have to disappoint someone.Brian and Jordan Calder asked me since 2007.Now I keep my words,Jordan will be on this show. Has any trainers a fighter at 56-57 kg to match Jordan C?
Posted: 2009-06-04 14:17:25
Lloking forward to it already Master Sken and thanks from all at Badco for having Myself, Liam and Jmaes on your show yet again. When will the promotion reel that me and James did be going out do you no??
Posted: 2009-06-04 18:25:37
Storey fighting Saenchai .... bet he's buzzing for this ... and liam you get to see him fight in this country .

All of a sudden well within last couple of years shows in this country have got bigger each time , like there is a competition to out do each other and get bigger and bigger ... how good is that for this country ...

with the top names from thailand ... Saenchai twice within a yr ...HAPPY DAYS
Posted: 2009-06-05 03:48:38

what a great year for muaythai the north west 2009 will have had these supershows ( and more to come )..

Sandy Holt @ The Ikon x 2

Master A @ Middleton x 2

DoubleVision @ The Reebok x 2

Ronnie Green tribute @ Old Trafford

Master Sken Acadamy @ The Reebok

Liam R
Posted: 2009-06-05 04:11:58
Panikos is class cant wait to see him fight Rung, its a real step up and tough challenge but Panikos is most under rated fighter in the UK IMO really rate his style and technique.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-05 04:21:08
panikos is mint..sparred himn a few times...nice guy too
Liam R
Posted: 2009-06-05 04:30:54
definitely hes been class everytime ive seen him
martin siam
Posted: 2009-06-06 11:18:03
master sken uve got mail

Posted: 2009-06-06 13:25:37
Yes Martin,will contact you soon
Posted: 2009-06-06 15:21:34
good luck master sken looks ace!
did and interclub years & years ago very strong back then, now he's probably a handful for anyone in his division IMO
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-06 17:18:14

just realised saggatdaos a big nasty southpaw :(
Posted: 2009-06-07 01:44:21

Muaythai new era.2009 it's only a beginning.
Thanks! Simon.
Liam badco,this is a very big test of your life but I trust you will win this fight.Sakeddao is dangerous Southpaw fighter.Strategy,strategy.......

Posted: 2009-06-07 05:12:48
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-07 11:48:22

just found this the ridiculous little man..gotta love him
Posted: 2009-06-07 15:30:33

Gotta watch out for them thigh punches!!!!! lol

Posted: 2009-06-07 16:28:16
That vid is class .... Saenchai is simply just awesome and a class above .. How many times can 1 man throw cartwheel kicks and land em lol...

Liam you must feel so honoured to have shared the ring with him .

jesus im happy to have just met him a few times lol
Posted: 2009-06-07 19:59:00
Master Sken Acadamy has a media launch
at the Raddison hotel manchester 28th June..
more details to follow..
Liam R
Posted: 2009-06-08 07:36:11
that cartwheel is becoming sharp
Posted: 2009-06-08 10:36:32
Love it how he doubles it up......
Posted: 2009-06-08 10:58:37
First show flyer..
Posted: 2009-06-08 11:02:28

First show flyer..
Posted: 2009-06-08 11:04:48

Posted: 2009-06-08 11:27:10
What a year this is going to be for Muaythai , with the supershows we have had already this term and the others planned , this year could change the face of our great sport forever.

Which TV company will take a punt maybe ITV after pulling out of pro boxing , could SKY have a go ,after what they have done with Snooker Darts and Speedway anything is possible.

One thing for sure who ever it is they are on a winner..

After bombarding the tabloid press for months ,it looks like they are finally taking note the Daily Star run an small article on the rumble/reebok show and Iam hoping Kevin Francis from the Star comes to the Old Tafford show ..

well done to everybody for raising the bar.

Any thoughts

Posted: 2009-06-08 11:30:40
What a year this is going to be for Muaythai , with the supershows we have had already this term and the others planned , this year could change the face of our great sport forever.

Which TV company will take a punt maybe ITV after pulling out of pro boxing , could SKY have a go ,after what they have done with Snooker Darts and Speedway anything is possible.

One thing for sure who ever it is they are on a winner..

After bombarding the tabloid press for months ,it looks like they are finally taking note the Daily Star run an small article on the rumble/reebok show and Iam hoping Kevin Francis from the Star comes to the Old Tafford show ..

well done to everybody for raising the bar.

Any thoughts

Posted: 2009-06-08 11:32:16

Posted: 2009-06-09 04:50:13

Should also have shown him Jackson v Brocklebank from Ikon
That may have done it
Posted: 2009-06-18 04:58:18

one of Saenchai's favourite techniques
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-18 05:03:52

mines better lol....dont tell him i said that tho
Posted: 2009-06-18 05:17:04
Get in Liam xx
Posted: 2009-06-18 07:11:40
Impressive Liam.
All the best for your fight in (Liam in a Jar-may-ka).Pls txt me a result.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-18 07:18:11
thanks master sken, will do...
Liam R
Posted: 2009-06-18 08:59:04
anyone who dances to ring to fight liam is defo not right or a bit special, think he is both lol
Posted: 2009-06-18 11:04:11
Good luck Rob, your gonna need it! Chance of a lifetime though to fight the best P4p fighter in the world! Especially when you are nearly old enough to be his dad!
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2009-06-18 12:30:41
Great to see Master Sken back putting on top lineups, hope it goes really well for you and all the fighters!
Posted: 2009-06-19 04:14:12
Official announcment:
Show date has been changed to Saturday 7th November 2009
Due to football game,Chelsea V Bolton on 31st October and Sky may request both teams to play on 1st November for Live TV.It is wise to change the date.
Posted: 2009-06-20 00:59:52
Hi Everyone
I will be appreciated for your opinion.
Please give me your view on Saturday and day time show. How does it effect your time,classes and works? What is BEST day or night time?
Posted: 2009-06-20 02:01:25
day time as then the after fight celebrations can last longer :P
in all seriousness would be fairer for the Thai fighters as would be more like fighting in evening for them due to time difference and no like they are fighting in early hours of morning
Posted: 2009-06-20 04:01:39
Hi Rob
Thank you for your view.
How are you doing my freind? Hope your Ti-rak and family are well.Hope to see you at the show.By the way please ask Saenchai's manager,one air ticket should be for you.Choke nee na Khrab
Posted: 2009-06-20 05:41:02
im fine thanks Master Sken
looking forward to it, hope to get some nice photo's of the action
liam badco
Posted: 2009-06-20 06:38:08
scandal after party at this badboy, Saenchai sank some serious beers at the legends show and everyone knows all about rungs drinking antics...i cant wait
Posted: 2009-06-20 14:10:53
Hi Master Sken hope you are well?? could you please contact Sai he has been trying to get in touch with you.
Posted: 2009-06-20 14:40:28
As a punter only,I think a daytime show would be better all around? Better for the fighters/trainers so they are'nt fighting last thing at night and the atmosphere would be good as it would'nt be as knackering for supporters too? Rather than people having to shuffle off home/taxes/buses etc late at night?

I'll be there anyway! cheers.
Posted: 2009-06-21 04:00:49
Best person to ask maybe Richard SMith as he does his east end park shows ona Saturday afternoon
Posted: 2009-06-21 08:17:09
I will do Sargey6.
Actually I like day time,like Chalky said you do not rush,tired,very late back home.Yes Richard Smith did the show on Saturday and day time, it went on very well.Thanks
Posted: 2009-07-10 05:45:17
Just spotted this on youtube.....

I think theres gonna be warfare!!!!!
Posted: 2009-07-10 06:38:48
Quality dig, seen poor old Takeda on fight club suffer couple of painful looking KO's before including a scandal flying knee straight to the face. Can't wait to see Sakeddao and Liam square up!!! like you say, it's going to be warfare!! ha. Whole show lining up to be fantastic with some great quality British fighters like Rob S and Andy H and Liam of course. can't help but feel Muay Thai in this country is on the up and up and maybe on the cusp of something great. Full marks to Master Sken and admittedly i'm biased as he's my master and instructor but with the great shows we've had recently such as the rumble etc he's grbbed bull by the horns and taken it up a level again which is fantastic for everyone and hopefully the fighters can start getting the wider public recognition they deserve as it is such a demanding and hard sport and of course start to get some real financial reward as well. All the portsmouth club are behind this one Master Sken and should be bringing a load of us up to support it.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-07-10 06:43:18
thats not the same guy is it?????? looks nothing like saggetdao who im fighting
Posted: 2009-07-10 07:13:49
not the same sakeddao...
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-10 07:15:29
the one above came in at 72.5kg so if it is... haha
Posted: 2009-07-10 07:19:20

Master Sken
Any updates sir
thanks pete
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-27 06:00:45
good interview on master skens site regarding michaels title fight coming up, cant wait...

When Michael Dicks fights for a World title on Grandmaster Sken’s MSA Muay Thai Premier League” Supershow on November 7th it will be yet another highlight for the consistently successful Darlington club run by Paul Hamilton, the coach Dicks was determined to emulate when he started training in Muay Thai. This desire is easy to understand for although many coaches decide to run a gym after a successful fight career few boast the pedigree of Darlington’s Paul Hamilton who started training when he was fifteen and ended up having two hundred and nine fights, losing only nine of these. During this period he competed all over the world including Thailand where he was one of the first Europeans to fight in Rajadamnern and Lumpinee Stadiums in Bangkok, where he worked his way up the rankings to become Champion in both stadiums for his weight.

By the end of his career Paul had won twenty three belts at four different weights, currently the best fight record any European has ever had. He also boxed professionally and had a record of eighteen fights with fourteen wins, two draws and two losses. On the coaching side, this enabled him to join the Amateur Boxing Association (ABA) and gain his Pro- Boxing Trainer’s Licence. It was always Paul’s dream to open his own gym and he did this in 1997, after spending eight years running classes at various venues in and around the local area.

The gym has been running successfully ever since, not only training fighters as the majority of people come for general fitness and confidence, with pupils as young as six and as old as seventy four. The gym offers classes in Boxing, Thai Boxing, kids’ classes (including anti-bullying), adult mixed classes, Freestyle Fitness Yoga and small personal group training sessions for men and women. One-on-one training is also offered on all the above and Krav Maga (self defence) with the aim of providing a facility that is accessible and affordable for the local people in the area (although the gym attracts customers from a thirty mile radius).

Paul has produced some excellent fighters over the years with a constant stream of up and coming fighters making their way through all the time. Gym instructors alongside Paul include Simone Hamilton (Paul’s wife), Michael Dicks (world Muay Thai champion), Neil Walton (Krav Maga instructor & martial arts expert). The team have a good understanding of children’s needs and as well as making training fun they still learn technique and work hard. As they get older and move up the classes, discipline takes over from fun and games as they realise that to be a fighter, dedication and hard work will be vital. When the students have mastered blocking and are sparring with confidence, they may then be ready for the ring. It is easy to throw shots but difficult to block, especially elbows so until they can judge distance and know when to attack, they would not be ready for full Thai Rules.

Paul’s personal favourite achievement was having one of his fighter’s compete at the King of Thailand’s birthday in Bangkok. However, he always feels a sense of achievement having good fighters coming through year after year. His ambitions remain consistent, notably to keep up the high standard at the gym and to keep getting better.

In this respect, Paul is confident about the future of Muay Thai, now that the UKMF is getting stronger and stronger with everybody is fighting under the same rules and standardised judging. As a result, Paul believes that we will get more TV and publicity now with bigger sponsors, thus enabling people to put on bigger and more professional shows. This will ultimately increase the popularity of Thai Boxing if people know it is run by a unified, recognised governing body - especially if it gets accepted by the Olympic Committee, which at the moment is looking very promising.

When it comes to shows, Paul is looking forward to Michael Dicks performing on Grandmaster Sken’s November 7th Muay Thai Premier League Supershow. “Master Sken’s shows have always been very well run. The fight card for November promises a very entertaining night, with some UKMF British Title Fights and WMC World Fights. Everybody wants these recognised titles. There will be some big sponsors getting involved and so it should be a night not to miss.”
liam badco
Posted: 2009-07-27 06:04:29
nice interview but rajadamnern and lumpinee champion..!! is that a mis-print?
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-07-27 06:31:08
whats the link for master skens website?
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-07-27 06:35:33
its ok, found it!
Posted: 2009-07-27 06:41:34
that has to be a misprint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFAIK by 2008 only 5 farang have won a title in either stadium.

Toshio Fujiwara (1978 RAJA) 1st ever farang champ
Tadashi Sawamura (RAJA)
Hitoshi Ogasawara (RAJA)
Kozo Takeda (Raja)
Murat Sari (Lumpinee)
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-27 06:56:55
have u got the weights of them? be interesting to see the weights. 209 f 200wins is still a bloody impressive record what weight was it at?
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:17:31
That's a fantastic record no doubt about it though must admit I was also surprised to see it state he was a stadium champion.... be interesting to find out if he was, though as already mentioned even if that is incorrect his fight record is excellent.... 96% no losses!!!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:25:39

The fight record is absolutely accurate. Paul was ranked number 1 in the rankings for both stadiums.

However; at the time no foriegner was allowed to fight for the stadium championship belts. All that has since changed of course.

Pauls last fight was against the channel 7 champion in Australia 13yrs ago.

I verified this with Paul who expressed no interest in having his record made public. paul stated he fought for himself and has no interest in people knowing.

Paul fought anywhere between 55 and 63kgs during his fight career.....

liam badco
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:40:25
just spoke to paul, i knew he'd had 100s of fights but doubted that he was champion as stated above there havent been many, however he did fight around 15 bouts at the main staidums and fought the top ranked guys and KOed them too, back then tho it wasnt like it is now tho it was a bit of a novelty back then, now anyone can fight there!!! i know he fought Ramon Dekker 2x too and beat him once...

also there is an interview with Michael dicks, Thrasher and mr smith on mastersken website, get em up on here too!!
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:42:07
55kg very competative weight, to be ranked number 1 at stadium is mint.
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:50:56
Michael Dicks: “Whoever Grandmaster Sken puts in front of me, it will be a tough fight!”

Grandmaster Sken’s November 7th MSA Muay Thai Premier League” Supershow is brimming with home grown talent - and one of the stars of the night will be Darlington’s Michael Dicks as he challenges Andre Kulebin for the WMC World title. Dicks would make many ‘Top 5’ lists of fighters in this country but his is a story you hear more frequently in boxing, namely that of the bad boy made good through dedication to his sport. Thrown out of mainstream school for always being in trouble, Michael visited Paul Hamilton’s gym as part of his specialist school’s programme and when the programme finished Michael carried on training.

He was inspired to emulate the Darlington gym’s coach, as Paul’s career was one of unrivalled success both at home and abroad winning a total of twenty three belts across four weights. Michael quickly established himself as a fighter to watch, his all action style accompanied by a high knockout ratio and although he was flamboyant within the ring, he was modest and quietly spoken in interviews. As his skill and reputation grew, Michael honed his skills and developed a more disciplined approach. Perhaps the most important key to his success is the fact that he gives every fight one hundred percent focus. “I treat every fight the same, and prepare for them all in the same way mentally. I may adopt a different style of training depending on my opponent’s style but, mentally, every fight is equally important.”

Given his style and the level of opponent he has fought, Michael has been in his share of tough fights, using the hard lessons of defeat to better himself whilst savouring some of the more memorable victories including fighting for and winning the WMC Intercontinental title on Paul’s own promotion in his own hometown -“an amazing experience.” He also felt hugely privileged to fight on the Thai King’s Birthday show in Bangkok in December 2007. Moments like this have helped to temper his biggest disappointment which was losing the WMC MAD World title when he was sure he had won the fight.
Now Michael is ready for any challenge and does not dismiss UK fighters pointing out that whilst there is a wider range of fighters outside the UK, there is always going to be new and old challenges for him on home soil and with that in mind, he has a number of hard fights coming up between now and November 7th including a bout in Italy. Then it is his World title fight on Grandmaster Sken’s show and Michael believes it will be another great show by the hugely respected veteran promoter. “Master Sken always puts a lot of effort into great match making. His shows are always very dynamic with lots of explosive fights, which is always good to watch. The atmosphere is always exciting and the bouts are always first class.”
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:52:28
Andy Thrasher:"UK Muay Thai fans are in for a real treat!"

Andy Thrasher’s inclusion in the line-up for Grandmaster Sken’s “MSA Muay Thai Premier League” show on Saturday 7th November 2009 is a continuation of a relationship that goes back to 1998 and Andy’s introduction to the art of Muay Thai. A keen footballer at the time, Andy originally went to the GFC club, then Heywood Sitnarong under (then) Master Sken, simply to help heal a collarbone injury but fell in love with the art of Muay Thai and the rest, as they say, is history.

It was the beginning of a career that has been defined by Andy’s all-action style and a high knockout ratio that has seen him hugely popular with fans, fellow fighters and promoters alike. Master Sken puts Andy’s popularity in perspective when he states-“I have organized many Muay Thai shows and Andy Thrasher has participated in these shows. I found that he is an exceptional fighter. He has fought many high quality opponents. On Sunday 31st May he won the WKA World championship and proved himself one of Britain best fighters.”

Whilst he admits that sometimes the only way to win a fight is to dig deep and have an old-fashioned tear-up, Andy is no one trick pony and has always sought to develop and mature as a fighter with improved technique and tactics. To this end he believes that all Thai fighters must eventually train in Thailand. Although he has trained with some top Thai trainers and fighters Andy hasn’t trained in Thailand yet but will rectify that by travelling to the Jitti gym in July, and hopefully once or twice more later in the year. “I really think it will make me a more rounded fighter, and help me step up a level”, he says.

Andy has already reached a commendable level in the sport, having fought numerous top names such as Craig Jose (twice), Tim Thomas and World, Commonwealth, European, Spanish and French Champions. The highlight for Andy so far has been his most recent fight against Javier (Kuki) Rodriguez, the Spanish Champion, whom he stopped on his home turf by way of a third round KO. The win shows that Andy is in fine winning form at the moment but his hardest fight was actually a loss to Michael Dicks. Andy took the fight at short notice and was carrying an injury but just wanted the opportunity to fight Dicks. “Michael is a machine and never stops coming forward, and despite losing the fight, I felt I came away having learned some very valuable lessons.”

Andy proved he had learned those lessons by beating Dave Newbrook for the WKA World title in May, a fantastic achievement that he is obviously delighted with. “This world title was a dream come true, the venue and show were superb, with 13 full Thai rules A class fights. It was a long day, but I remained focused and stuck to the game plan. Fortunately it paid off. I just listened to my corner and let my reactions take over, it was fantastic to win.”

When it comes to his peers, Andy states that he admires anyone that really commits to the sport as the purse money for Thai fighters is not yet on a par with its major fightsport counterparts, so to pay the bills whilst training to fight at the top level takes a lot of determination and focus. As a result, he name checks Craig Jose, Michael Dicks, Damien Trainor, Andy Howson, James France, Richard Cadden and Jordan Watson but reserves special praise for Steven Wakeling and Liam Harrison. “They have given so much to the sport and it shows with the success and quality opponents that they have fought and beaten in the last couple of years.”

Thai Boxers may not yet reap the rewards seen by Professional Boxers but Andy truly believes that Muay Thai can rival any televised fightsport, noting that the huge success of MMA is based in no small measure on the dynamic stand-up which is heavily Muay Thai influenced. Add to this the growing success of the ‘Contender Asia’ series and Andy believes that it is only a matter of time before the sport gets the coverage he feels it really deserves. For his part, Andy is staying busy, fighting Dave Newbrook for his WKA World title on 31st May, on The Rumble at the Reebok show and then again on Master Ronnie Green’s Tribute show at Old Trafford on the 4th of July, with the possibility of a rematch with Redwan Ameur, the French and European WMC Champ.

Then of course there’s November 1st and Grandmaster Sken’s star-studded show, which Andy is obviously very excited about being a part of this. As he states “Master Sken always promotes exciting shows, with good quality matchmaking. If the names I have heard mentioned for this show are anything to go by then UK Muay Thai fans are in for a real treat! And if that’s not a good enough reason, then people should come along to buy me a drink after my fight as it is my birthday that day.”
Posted: 2009-07-27 07:53:38
Richard Smith: Keeping Bad Company

Named after a comic strip in 2000AD that coach Richard Smith used to read when he was a kid, the ‘Bad Company’ gym has become a breeding ground for champion fighters, a veritable conveyor belt of talent and two of ‘Bad Co’s’ finest, Liam ‘The Hitman’ Harrison and Andy ‘The Punisher’ Howson will be fighting title on Grandmaster Sken’s MSA Muay Thai Premier League Supershow on November 7th. His fighters headlining on such a prestigious event is further proof that Richard has achieved his ambition for the Bad Company gym to be known as one of the top gyms as far as world calibre fighters are concerned, with the current crop of fighters emulating the success of previous generations of fighting greats such as Lisa Houghton-Smith, Steve Deane and Steve Rutherford.

Richard is quick to point out, however, that it’s not all about fighters and he hopes that the gym can make as much difference to the lives of as many people as possible, from young lads who walk in off the street and end up world class fighters travelling all over the world to those lacking confidence who come in and end up losing weight, getting fit, making friends or even going onto ring combat. “Lisa and I have always tried to be inclusive at the gym and we accept anyone whatever their ability. As long as they put in the commitment, we will give it back to them.”

Much has changed since Richard started the gym, including the standards as he believes we are beginning to understand Muay Thai now. When Richard started travelling to Thailand to train and fight, there was little by way of the sport over here. But he is delighted that it’s really opened up now and standards in the UK and across the world have really risen. “We now understand scoring; how to train and win in Muay Thai; have many gyms who have Thai trainers over; and see many fighters who travel to Thailand for extended periods for training.” As a result, he believes that some of the trainers in the UK now are second to none and are producing real world class fighters. “The standard of promotion across the country every week has really risen with domestic fighters against top international opposition.”

Richard genuinely loves the sport and loves coaching. He never gets tired of putting this across to other people as he constantly tries to learn and improve himself. Bad Company is not just about Richard though. He tries to empower all the younger ones coming through and allows them to express themselves in the gym - and get the credit that they deserve. The main fighters in the gym, in turn, all help to coach and train one another. They bounce techniques and ideas off each other and everyone benefits that way. “This way we haven’t really had anyone leave to start their own gym and we’ve kept the talent that they all have in-house.”

Many of his camp now fight full Thai rules and Richard knows when they are ready just by looking at their training and how they cope with sparring and fitness work. He believes that it’s not really about how good their technique is, rather how big their heart is - how hard they can push themselves in the gym and how committed they are. “With full rules I like to see them thinking a bit more in the fight and not just fighting like beginners.”

The club has had many notable achievements over the years and the fighters who have won big fights and won titles are always memorable but Richard is equally satisfied with the number of people who have come in including some he never thought would stick at it, but who have and have gone on to do really well and achieve amazing things. His proudest moment however was when his wife, Lisa, won and successfully defended her world titles - and winning BBC Look North Sportswoman of the Year. Richard was also pleased to win the Yorkshire Post Sports Coach of the Year. “It was nice to get some recognition from outside of the sport.”

With so much already achieved, Richard simply wants to keep the great family atmosphere that the club has and to keep enjoying it as much as he always has. With this in mind, he has strong views on how to develop the sport into the mainstream. “I have always said that we need to work on quality. As the standard of fighters and promotions get better, the public and the media will start to notice. If you look at some of the rubbish that was getting televised even as recently as three years ago, there’s no wonder the sport isn’t taken seriously. It’s getting better but I honestly don’t think there has been a high enough standard consistently across the board for us to be able to get any more popular.”

On a positive note, Richard believes that change is happening and the standard is gradually rising as typified by shows such as Grandmaster Sken’s supershow on November 7th at De Vere Whites in Bolton. This is something Richard is quick to acknowledge. “Thanks to Master Sken for another great opportunity for the boys. We’ll do our best to justify his faith in us.”
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:00:47
sorry but I don't believe that at all! Fujiwara was the Ratchadamnern champion in 1978 met him not long ago and he is in his 60's now. So your saying you used to be able to fight for the title, then you couldn't and now you can again. The muaythai scene here is not so big that they simply forget fighters and if he was as said ranked number one in both stadiums he would be talked about all the time here. Not taking anything away from Paul as a fighter as I know he had a lot of fights and remember seeing him fight against an old stablemate of mine back in the day, Martin Smith from Cobra, but in nearly 20 years of training and spending a lot of time watching fights in Thailand ive never seen him fight once there or heard his name mentioned either for that matter. At those weights mentioned the level of the stadium fighters is very high indeed and again no disrespect to Paul, but I just don't think he was at that level and if he was he would be a big name here.
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:04:04
oops that was meant as a reply to Dave's post, but spent a bit too long between writing it and posting it lol
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:14:07
I would go with Rob on this seeing as he has been in Thailand for so long.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:17:57
Ha Ha! and so starts the debate Paul indicated he was'nt interested in. Mind you calling a man a lier is disrespectful even if you say "no disrespect" before doing it. and i mean that with "no disrespect"

Actually you could fight for a stadium belt and be a foriegner but would have to be considered a nationalised thai. With Paul being a pale skinned, short arse from the north of england he was a far cry from qualifying
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:25:54
lol when you having people like Master Sken and the team trying hard to push the profile of the sport with big shows, then surely things like that don't help, when it is so obvious and when it is so easy to prove otherwise, if you think im being disrespectful so be it, but this sport could do without the endless fabrication of stuff. Maybe people should be more respectful to themselves and the sport first and stop making up bullshit claims then maybe the rest of the world would take it more seriously, just a thought eh!
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:30:49
Are there any tapes of these fights? i'm sure someone like colin hopkins would have them if they were recorded
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:34:07
I think Colin Hopkins has tapes of every single fight that ever happened at both stadiums lol
Posted: 2009-07-27 08:46:39
Colin Hopkins has tapes of every fight ever.
Posted: 2009-07-27 09:08:44
Have just spoken with Paul regarding this and it looks like it was a case of creative writing going a little too far and also not what he wanted. As I said I have myself seen Paul fight many many years ago and know he has had a huge amount of fights. Apologies to Paul for jumping the gun a little, but hopefully other people will not try to overpromote stuff like this in the future so that the sport can get a bit more credibilty and people that have obviously put a lot into the sport Like Paul dont come across in the wrong way.
Posted: 2009-07-27 09:22:23
Where as Master Nick on the other hand...............
Posted: 2009-07-27 09:53:10
going back to what this thread should be about, talking about a great show, Andy's opponent Rungrawee Sasiprapa pulled off a good win on Sunday live on t.v on ch7 , with a first round knockdown followed by points win, with both their styles this could make for a classic battle
Posted: 2009-07-27 16:17:30
I can confirm you that SKY has given us a TLA(Television License Agreement)
Posted: 2009-07-27 16:44:52
Hi Rob
I hope you,Ti Rak and all at your gym well.Look forward to seeing you at the show.By the way you and your freind(?) will be our TV commentators.
See you in England.
All the best.
P.S. Thank you very much for the report of Muay Thai fights in Bangkok.Great works and much appreciated.
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-07-27 16:46:41
thats great news about sky tv! well done m.sken
Posted: 2009-07-27 17:08:13
Thanks Darren EFC
It is a great team effort,my wife Kay and I have great partners Dr.Swee Lip Quek and his wife Dr.Fui Mee Quek.They put so much time, effort and finance to make it possible and make our dream come true.
There will be great MSA Muay Thai Premier League shows in UK and around the Globe.
Posted: 2009-07-27 17:08:14
Thanks Darren EFC
It is a great team effort,my wife Kay and I have great partners Dr.Swee Lip Quek and his wife Dr.Fui Mee Quek.They put so much time, effort and finance to make it possible and make our dream come true.
There will be great MSA Muay Thai Premier League shows in UK and around the Globe.
Posted: 2009-07-27 17:13:25
Well done Grandmaster Sken and everyone else involved, taking Muay Thai to the next level over here. And thank you for putting Jordan on your show.
Posted: 2009-07-27 17:27:47
It's my pleasure Briancal, you know I keep my words.

Dave Jackson, you are a gem.THANKS 4 YOUR HELP.
martin siam
Posted: 2009-07-27 17:36:28
show looks great master sken the very best of luck with it.
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-07-27 17:40:18
If your trying to match Phil Burke , Paul Grant will rematch him.

Posted: 2009-07-27 17:47:33
Hi Stevie
I will talk to Mike Tobin and confirm the fight,thanks and take care.
Phil supposes to fight Colin Jones but Phil lost so much weight and he is only 80-81 kg.How heavy is Paul Grant?
Thanks martin siam,hope to see you at the show.
Posted: 2009-07-27 18:09:43
Dear All
Please look at our announcment at a link below:

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-07-28 01:51:36
hi Master Sken now Grandmaster and well worthy Title, as i was proud to announce at last reebok show and This another Amazing show your doing after the first last year then this
and i was hoping you can use me as your Commentator or M.C.
please can you let me know if you need me and always Happy to See muay thai in my Home town of Sunny BOLTON by the sea :-)
and ever since our First Joint / co-promotion in Bolton Sports centre 1984
wow what great history ! 25 years promoting !!!!!!!!!
sandy holt
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-07-28 03:05:40
ill speak to him, but i think he will make 82, or he could possibly fight colin jones at a heavier weight.

Posted: 2009-07-28 03:16:19
Hi Sandy
It is time for a change,I need lots of people who are very impartial, especially commentating for TV,image and image is every thing.
You have done so much good for me and for Sport.I would like everyone to see that I give my heart and soul to Muay Thai and open to everyone.
This is a time for change for better and we can learn from others.There are lots of opportunities for you and others.
Posted: 2009-07-28 03:50:19
in laymens terms , a dear john.
Posted: 2009-07-28 06:25:34
It's another great show to look forward too as Grandmaster Skens shows always are.It sounds like it is all going in a good profesional manner.
I will at this show.
Posted: 2009-07-28 08:58:56
Posted: 2009-07-28 09:39:42

Ring name : Sakeddao Petchpayathai
Passport name: Kittichai Churat
Date birth: 01 January 1987
Home town: Mahasarakam
Height: 1.75 cms
Weight: 126 pound
Manager: Mr. Sithichok Theeradajpong
Feather weight Lumpinee champion 2007
Top fighter from Lumpinee stadium 2007
Top fighter from Sport Association Award 2008
Feather weight Rajchadamnern stadium 2009
Record: 125 fights 85 W 37 L 3 D
Last 3 fights
08 Feb 2009 won ko5 Nong Kiatyongyut at TV7
23 March 2009 won Anuwat Kaewsamrit Rajchadamnern
03 June 2009 lost to Sanchai S.Kingstar Lumpini
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-28 09:45:42
what a lineup good luck to all fighters.
Posted: 2009-07-28 10:01:51
He's gonna be one tough fight for liam! But if anyone can the hitman can.. On sky too! Great chance to showcase not just muay thai but the standard of home grown talent.
Jordan Calder
Posted: 2009-07-28 10:16:12
Just want to say thanks to Master Sken for giving me this great opportunity to fight on this big show and i can't wait
Posted: 2009-07-28 10:23:00
I'll make a big effort to get to this after old trafford shenanigans. Looks awesome, plus I wanna hear some more of the little guy's Morlam entrance music!!
liam badco
Posted: 2009-07-28 10:34:53
height 175...urgh im only 148 or sommat lol, im gonna get chinned aint i haha
Posted: 2009-07-28 13:18:59
Hi Liam
Remember Numpol was very tall,but you did a demolition job on him.I believe in you and same as many people.All the best.
Posted: 2009-07-28 13:26:03
Liam"The Hit Man" Harrison
Posted: 2009-07-28 22:12:09
another reason not to miss this show, Saenchai announced in the papers today that he will habng up his gloves in december, he stated he will fight on this show in U.K in november and then wants to have his last fight in Lumpini in december on the Lumpini birthday show. He stated that one of the main reasons is he can't take the big drops down in weight anymore and he has signed with a Thai football team and will become a pro football player.

So if you have never seen him in action, this may well be one of the last chances you will get!
liam badco
Posted: 2009-07-29 03:49:58

but fair play on becoming a pro footballer lol
paul pearson
Posted: 2009-07-29 04:48:49
Shame Saenchai is getting out of Muay Thai he has been sooo good for the sport,Im sure he will be a great footballer with those quick feet and that quick brain,just hope no one annoys him on the pitch!.
noel london
Posted: 2009-07-29 04:54:50
odds on first cartwheel kick goal?
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-29 05:02:06
fifty quid says harrison could take ball of him or skin him at footy.
reckon he will still fight at mid 60's handling farangs around for a bit.
Posted: 2009-07-29 07:18:31
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-29 07:44:12
meant mid 60kg by the way not yrs old!
Posted: 2009-07-29 08:17:07
he does have good footy skills. pickup games on parking lot every sunday at 13 coins 3 v 3
liam badco
Posted: 2009-07-29 09:53:37
alot of the top thais play on sundays, every sunday Watarachai, Nong O petchmankong and samranchai all play together too
Posted: 2009-07-29 10:15:21
This show is going to be awesome - and having the rematch confirmed with Redwan has made my day.
Great job Grand Master Sken and thank you very much for the oppotunity.
Posted: 2009-07-29 11:14:25

Saenchai Sor Kingstar, he loves Muay Boran
Posted: 2009-07-29 11:15:27

Saenchai Sor Kingstar Champion of Champions
Posted: 2009-07-29 11:16:50
Posted: 2009-07-29 11:52:18
Great Trailer / Fight Card Grand Master Sken Chock Dee for the show

Martin & Damien
Posted: 2009-07-29 11:58:45
If you cant see the youtube trailers try mozilla firefox instead on internet explorer..
Posted: 2009-07-29 12:09:50
Thank you Martin & Damien,all the best-Choke Dee with your show.
Andy T. It's always my pleasure to have you on my show.
I had to learn Frence to deal with negotiation for you.Ralph Beale was so helpful with the sanction from WMC and EMF.I asked Larbi,Redwan's trainer for the photograph.He keeps sending me emails in Frence.Does anyone speak Frence?
Phil Glover
Posted: 2009-07-29 16:14:57
This show has all the qualities that we all have come to expect from Master Sken his shows just get better and better and just as someone has already mentioned this show is taking Thai Boxing promotions to another level!
I hope all these fights remain at the time of the show in November as it's always a special night when you've got such class as Liam Harrison and Andy Howson on the bill.Just looking at the list of Thai fighters especially Saenchai Sor Kingstar,Rungravee,Andrei Kulebin, and the rest along with other British greats like Andy Thrasher,Rob Storey,Michael Dicks,Daniel Hudson,etc this looks like one of the best ever these tickets should sell very fast so please don't sell my two Master Sken!!!
Posted: 2009-07-29 18:03:18
Good Luck with the show Master Sken, some exciting bouts and a excellent venue as well.
Posted: 2009-07-30 08:49:34
Hi Phil
It's great to hear from you as always.Looking forward to see you at the show.Certainly I will keep tickets for you.I shall send the posters,leaflets you.Take good care.
Thanks Beaty,see you soon.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-07-30 09:45:56
khor hai mee kwarm sook nai wan gerd Saenchai Liam เลียมส.คิงสตาร์ Tawan
Posted: 2009-07-30 09:54:31
It's much appreciated Mst Sken -
wish I could speak French, but just about manage to speak english coherently.
try babelfish translator, it's not exact but you'll get the general idea of what he is saying. ;-)
Thakoon Pongsupha
Posted: 2009-08-03 01:58:13

Ring name Rungravee Sasiprapa gym
Passport name Rungravee Banchamek
Passport no. J. 715220
Date of Birth 10 June 1989
Height 162 cms
Weight 57 kg.
Home town Surin
Record 75 fight 50 W 24 L 1 D
Gym Sasiprapa gym address 401 Ladprao 130Bangkapi
Bangkok 10240 Thailand
Last 5 fight

05 Nov. 08 win Orono Iminent air Lumpini
28 Dec. 08 win Panngen T. Sanchai TV7
05 Feb. 09 win Petchtaksin S.Sommai Rachadam
30 Mar. 09 lose PetchEk Luk BoKo Rachadamnern
31 May 09 win Hedeki Soga Tokyo Japan
26 July 09 win Neaungjakawan Suwannee TV7

Present ranking
No. 6 Of Tv7 Stadium

Excited fight match of the year 2006 of TV7 Win money
500,000 Baht.

Thakoon Pongsupha
Posted: 2009-08-03 02:19:15

Rungravee Sasiprapa won Panngoen Sanchai at TV7 on 13 Mar.09
Posted: 2009-08-03 03:51:08
Kob Khun Krub Nong Kob.
Thanks Andy,Ralph Beale Kindly send me Redwan's photo.
Posted: 2009-08-03 13:37:04

Liam"The Hit Man" Harrison-Bad Company
Posted: 2009-08-03 13:40:01
Sorry the photo is too big.
Dave Jackson,I need help.Thanks
Posted: 2009-08-03 13:46:24

Thats a great photo!
Posted: 2009-08-03 13:47:47

oops sorry master sken, try again
Posted: 2009-08-03 13:52:08
double post sorry
Posted: 2009-08-03 14:38:09
Thank you very much ads, I really like this picture. Look at Liam's face-Power and determination.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-08-04 01:28:48
great pics great Trailer great show
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-08-04 01:30:27
great pics great Trailer great show
great Town to Promote Muay Thai Fights / shows
Sunny "Bolton" by the sea :-)
Kieran Keddle1
Posted: 2009-08-04 03:12:42
Wheres the picture of me and Liam from the Legends show?? lol.

Just kidding.

Great show - ill defo come up and watch this every fight worthy of a ticket.
Muaythai King
Posted: 2009-08-04 04:00:24
Saenchai is that hard he is waiting on the rail tracks to handle an oncoming train LOL
Posted: 2009-08-04 04:36:30

Andrei Kulebin-14 times World Champions-Belarus V Michael"Dynamite" Dixie-Best British.This is WAR.
Bill Judd
Posted: 2009-08-04 04:40:14
In Thailand on that date! .The line up looks that good I might change my flight.
Posted: 2009-08-04 04:41:32
Michael"Dynamite" Dixie.Our very best of British fighter.
Posted: 2009-08-04 04:44:03
Hi Bill
I hope you are well,look forward to seeing you at the show.
Posted: 2009-08-04 06:05:37

Michael"Dynamite" Dixie
Posted: 2009-08-04 06:37:49

Jordan Calder-a Star of my future shows.I will help to promote him many years to come.
Posted: 2009-08-04 07:12:54
you need to sort out the gay stance.
Posted: 2009-08-04 07:45:41

Master Sken AT LEGENDS Show last saturday
Posted: 2009-08-04 07:48:08

Posted: 2009-08-04 08:26:18
Thanks Pete,good to see you and everybody.
I was very pleased to meet many people at the show.Damian and Tim Thomas were brilliant.
Swee Lip,Kay, Paul,Minky and I would like to express our sincere thanks to Dan Green for VIP seats.
Posted: 2009-08-04 08:59:48

Sharing this photograph with you.
Photographed by Kay Kaewpadung-Ayuthaya, Old Capital City of Thailand 23.03.09
Posted: 2009-08-04 09:14:51
thats a quality photo..
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-08-04 17:24:06
top piccy !!!!!!!!!!

and LOL Dave that you pic above sneaking in? lol
Posted: 2009-08-04 17:33:59
if mike fights the way he did on Sat i dont think Kulebin will have wot it take to beat him , ive seen him fight a good few times and also against fighters not of the calibre of mr Dicks ...

if he is on top of his game he'll give mike a decent fight if not i think he'll be lucky to take a round off micheal and thats the diff in my opinion even when michael is not on top form he's still mustard .
Posted: 2009-08-04 21:39:25
it should be interesting, Dicks drew Kulebin in the 1st round of an 8 man tourny Sept 12 in Belarus...

both fighters are tough as nails, so this fight in Nov could be revenge or repeat!

good luck on what looks and will be one of the best shows around!!
Posted: 2009-08-05 01:20:27
Kulebin is class, think your underestimating him a little there
liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-05 02:40:43
defo he is my favourite non thai fighter
Muaythai King
Posted: 2009-08-05 05:13:17
I am sure Andy wont appreciate that Liam LOL
liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-05 06:35:27
if i had to pick 2 it would be those andy for his mentalness and the fact hes probably the toughest human being alive and kulebin for being slick and having nice relaxed style
Posted: 2009-08-05 07:53:20
Kulebin is awesome x
Liam R
Posted: 2009-08-05 08:40:05
tat2 writes:
if mike fights the way he did on Sat i dont think Kulebin will have wot it take to beat him , ive seen him fight a good few times and also against fighters not of the calibre of mr Dicks ...

if he is on top of his game he'll give mike a decent fight if not i think he'll be lucky to take a round off micheal and thats the diff in my opinion even when michael is not on top form he's still mustard .

lucky to take a round? Kulebin is class. be good fight that one.
Posted: 2009-08-05 09:37:08

from last sundays ch7 show Andy's opponent Rungrawee in the red
Posted: 2009-08-05 09:39:11
i didnt say he wasnt good i meant to get across ive seen him fight very very well but then not so well and the form that Dixie seems to in at the mo , he's on fire
Posted: 2009-08-05 09:40:32

from last sundays ch7 show Andy's opponent Rungrawee in the red
Posted: 2009-08-05 09:43:06

from last sundays ch7 show Andy's opponent Rungrawee in the red
Posted: 2009-08-05 12:41:03
Good Photos Rob,you are our commentator for Sky.Your Thai is next to perfection,you are great for Thai TV,please contact Thai Tv Channel 7 for us.We are working on TV programmes around the globe.Kob Khun Khrab.
Posted: 2009-08-05 13:40:48
Er im gunna get wommbled,lol. Na cant wait for this should be a really amazing show, Kulbin is class people when you see him fight live you get to respect just how good that boy really is, 2 top farang fighters, Harrison and Kulebin by far.
Posted: 2009-08-05 13:52:30

Andy Howson-Team Bad Co.One of my favourite fighters.I believe in you.This fight is WAR!
Posted: 2009-08-05 13:55:41

Bad Boy AndyBC-Team Bad Co.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-05 14:08:52
get a pic up of the lip on the floor
Posted: 2009-08-06 03:40:50

Andrei Kulebin-Celebrated his victory
Posted: 2009-08-06 04:49:22
I am assuming the Sky will be recorder and shown later, any idea on the date?
Posted: 2009-08-06 05:24:22
^^ recorded^^
liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-06 08:21:40
mine and andys interviews up on MSA website now, i think andys ashamed of me tho cos in his it says we are friends not cousins lol
Posted: 2009-08-06 08:30:37
Liam Harrison: “All fighters are just flesh and blood!”

Few UK fighters have reached the heights that Liam ‘The Hitman’ Harrison has scaled in his career. His record is regularly punctuated with the best Thai fighters, fought on their home soil. Liam has another tough Thai in his sights when he takes on current Rajadamnern champion Sakkedao but this time it will be on ‘The Hitman’s’ home turf as they compete on Grandmaster Sken’s November 7th “MSA Muay Thai Premier League” supershow. It’s another defining fight for ‘The Hitman’ and he is well aware that it promises to be a real challenge. “It’s going to be a very tough fight as Sakkedao is a very strong, tall fighter who likes to march forward using big knees. He’s the current Rajadamnern champion also and has recently beaten Anuwat and KO’d Nong B.” Some may find this intimidating but Liam’s wealth of experience has taught him that he needs fear no one. “I soon realised they are just flesh and blood like everyone else. I must have faced around thirty Thai fighters now, from not so great island fighters to top 10 ranked and champions.”

He may be a hardened fight veteran now but Liam’s attitude to the sport remains refreshingly simple as he admits that all he has ever wanted to do is fight. This desire to fight has been supplemented by an equally strong urge to prove that he is one of the best fighters out there - the reason he relishes fighting the best Thais. It’s a philosophy and fight regime that sees his style regularly adapt. “My physical style probably changes every couple of fights because I’m always trying to learn more and add to my game to try and become a complete fighter.”

With this in mind, Liam has found it invaluable training and fighting in Thailand. “I’ve fought and trained a lot in Thailand and have enjoyed gaining valuable tips and experience from the trainers at Jitti gym in Bangkok. My Trainer, Richard Smith, also spends a lot of time training in Thailand and is always adding new things to his ever extensive repertoire too, this is one of the reasons Bad Company is ever-improving and we have a good mix and balance with training.” Richard Smith has been a huge influence on Liam’s career and he remembers watching Richard fight against Takashi Ohno at Leeds town hall and it was one of the greatest fights he’d ever seen, to the point that before every one of his first ten fights he’d get the fight out and watch it to get him in the right mood to do battle himself.

Liam’s natural fighting ability saw fruition when he won the WMC World title, bitter-sweet revenge against Nmahphon PK Sterio in Nov 2007, winning by KO against the current champion and number one ranked fighter at Rajadamnern. It says a lot for Harrison though that his most memorable fights are losses rather than victories, both to Thai fighters. The first was against Duwao Kongudom. Despite dropping Duwao in the second round Liam says the Thai then “went on a rampage and landed solid knees and elbows for the rest of the fight to win. I was really banged up after that fight”. The second fight, against Saenchai Sor Kingstar, wasn’t gruelling it was more frustrating as Saenchai was hard to tag with big shots. “I ended up playing him at his own game and although I had some success for the first three rounds a big fourth from him secured the win.”

With Liam set to fight another top Thai on Grandmaster Sken’s MSA Supershow, ‘The Hitman’ is rightly excited by the event and its impact on Muay Thai in this country. “It’s without doubt the biggest show of the year so far, and has the best British fighters and champions from Thailand, including Andy Howson vs Rungravee sasiprapa which will be ‘war!’ as both fighters are known for going forward and throwing elbows. It also has current Rajadamnern champion Sakkedao facing myself, and the best pound for pound fighter on the planet, Saenchai Sor Kingstar, facing Rob Storey.”

See Liam take on Sakkedao, the current Rajadamnern champion on Grandmaster Sken’s “MSA Muay Thai Premier League” supershow on Saturday 7th November 2009.

Supreme Muay Thai World Championships sanctioned by World Muay Thai Council (WMC), Thailand. The Reebok De Vere Whites Hotel Premier Suite at De Havilland Way, Bolton, Greater Manchester BL6 6SF.
Posted: 2009-08-06 08:32:05
Andy Howson “It’s going to be war!”

Andy Howson’s all-action style has seen him become a double World Champion and he is looking to add a prestigious third title to that tally at Grandmaster Sken’s Grandmaster Sken’s November 7th “MSA Muay Thai Premier League” supershow as he goes to war once more, this time against Thailand’s Rungravee Sassiprapa (who is currently ranked in the top 5 in the Rajadamnern stadium). With both men having a very aggressive style it is a fight the fans will relish and a genuine contender for fight of the year.

He may be at the top of his game now but Andy never saw the career coming as he only started Muay Thai because one of his workmates wanted someone to go with him. Three months later and Andy already had his first fight - but he only really started to believe in his own potential when he won the European title. “So I changed my job and started to train full time, making it my number one concern in life. Now to be fair, two World titles and fighting for a third down the line, I wouldn’t change it for anything. I love everything about it.”

With two World titles, Andy is at the top of the tree nationally, a position reinforced by three epic encounters with Damien Trainor, a man Andy cites as a major influence on his early career. “I loved watching him and he was the reason I wanted to start fighting. I still enjoy watching him fight and we are good mates. I have so much respect for that guy which you can tell in all three of our fights. He is a UK Muay Thai legend.” With Andy winning the rubber match in February of this year, he now believes that his future lies in the challenges that fighting the top Thai fighters at his weight can bring.

Those challenges have seen Andy hit the canvas in all three of his major title fights only to get back up and win them, a warrior’s attitude that makes him such a big fan favourite. In fact, his is a career defined by tough fights, none more so than his epic battle with Kantipong Tapar Guar, who was ranked number five at the Raja stadium and was also Omnoi stadium champion with over one hundred and fifty fights to his name when Andy fought him. It was Andy’s twenty-sixth fight and he took Kantipong the distance, despite acknowledging that Kantipong was awesome. It was some consolation to hear Kantipong tell Andy that he had given him the hardest fight he had been in.

Kantipong’s statement sums up Andy Howson’s ‘never say die’ attitude, a spirit he shares with close friend, fellow star and Bad Co team-mate Liam Harrison, who also fights on the November 7th MSA Supershow. Andy has nothing but praise for the irrepressible ‘Hitman’- “He is the only farang out there who is fighting at the top level in Thailand and fighting (and beating) all the top Thais. Who else fights Sanchai and then has his next bout against Anuwat? Crazy stuff! He is awesome and beats me around the gym on a daily basis. I love it though...well sort of!”

Andy believes that the sport can only develop further if more people can put the time, effort, love and money into it. He cites Grandmaster Sken’s 7th November show as an example of the way forward for Muay Thai in terms of prestige, credibility and exposure - and he promises to give the fans another trademark performance. “If the fact of having four of the top ten ranked fighters in Thailand coming over to fight our ‘number ones’ for WMC World titles at the amazing Reebok De Vere isn’t enough, I can say get online to and buy the dvd of our last two shows and watch my fights because I guarantee you will see more of the same, if not even more carnage and war. Liam has made me some new shorts to fight in with a new nickname on it - ‘the Lord of War’ - and believe me, I’m going to live up to it on this show and take home my third World title. Be there, people, I promise you won’t be disappointed!”

See Andy take on Rungravee Sassiprapa for the World title on Grandmaster Sken’s “MSA Muay Thai Premier League” supershow on Saturday 7th November 2009.
Gary O'Brien STBA
Posted: 2009-08-07 07:50:05
Lineup looks brilliant, looking forward to this as always, hope it all runs smooth!
Posted: 2009-08-07 11:40:44
Tickets are available now,they are limited please order yours in advance.
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-08-07 16:12:22
looks like a fantastic show, friends means more, cant pick family.all the best to all involved. some really exciting fighters on this show
Posted: 2009-08-09 03:12:40
Hi Chris
I will discuss with UKMF regarding Judges, referee and officials for the show and confirm you by next week.
Posted: 2009-08-09 07:20:07
all the best with the show.... looks a top line up ;) chok dee
Posted: 2009-08-09 17:05:29
Kob khun khrab Wainey
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-08-10 07:03:24
Regards Master Sken
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-08-10 07:03:29
Regards Master Sken
Posted: 2009-08-10 08:55:02

Mike Tobin and his team have always supported my Interclubs and shows,'s a pleasure to have him and Phil Burke on the Show.
Posted: 2009-08-10 09:04:40
photos from master skens interclub ( 9/8/09 )
will be online tomorrow ..
Posted: 2009-08-10 09:53:47

Paul Grant-Ayuthaya Camp is a very tough fighter V Phil Burke. This will be another exciting fight.
Posted: 2009-08-11 00:59:09
Tickets are available now please follow this link:
Posted: 2009-08-11 03:11:26

Anthony Shelton V Jordan Calder
Both fighters are Rising Stars of Muay Thai and they are future of Muay Thai.
Anth has just fought in Bangkok and won 1st Round KO, he is very well prepared and really look forward to the fight 7th November.
Posted: 2009-08-11 04:16:21
Demonstration By
Grandmaster Sken and Phil Tan (Hollywood stunt supremo on Batman, Transformer 2, Hancock, Hangover, Crank 2, Speed Racer .. and numerous other block busters)
Chloe Bruce & Team Fusion – Guinness World record for fastest kicks
Also, meet Grandmaster Anthony Wee – chi master extraordinaire – whose world record feat of being rolled over by a 9.3 ton bus remains unbroken by a long shot!!
We are also working behind the scenes to bring you a few serious ‘celebrity’ surprises!
We assure you that you will NOT be disappointed!!!
Note: Those who are lucky enough to get hold of VIP tickets will have no doubt at all about the privileges you will enjoy at our inaugural show!!
VIP PRIVILEGES (Lunch starts at 12 noon) include:
1) Separate VIP entrance
2) Pre-event reception
3) Delicious hot Thai lunch
4) Seats closest to ringside
5) ‘Meet and greet’ – and photo opportunities with - Grandmaster Sken, Phil Tan, Saenchai and guest celebrities
6) MSA Muay Thai Premier League Inaugural Supershow souvenir
Chloe Bruce & Team Fusion – Guinness World record for fastest kicks
Ticket prices include VAT.Please expect the delivery of your tickets in the post around 14 days prior to the event.
VIP Tickets (£100 + £1.85 p&p)
Outer Ringside (£45 + £1.85 p&p)
Standard Seats (£30 + £1.85 p&p)

Posted: 2009-08-11 04:23:42
With so many good fights on the show i hope the demonstration doesn't last too long.
Posted: 2009-08-11 06:34:47
Will you be able to get tickets through usual gym outlets? or by post only?
Looks an Excellent Show!
Posted: 2009-08-11 07:40:33
You're a cynic Downing !
Posted: 2009-08-11 08:12:51
Just not my cup of tea thats all, I've never been interested in seeing apples kicked off swords. the real skill and heart of martial artists will all be there to see in the fights and if I wanted to see someone get run over by a bus I'd go to the Old kent road a 2am on a Saturday
Posted: 2009-08-11 08:15:54
Still I'm sure it will still be a great event and i can have a beer in the bar!
Posted: 2009-08-11 08:42:39
I won't be kicking an apple off the Sword.Many people have asked and would like to see demonstrations.Many people do want to see fight only,but my clients(Corporate companies/VIP) do like demonstrations/fights.There's some thing for everyone.There will be 2 short Demos.
Master Anthony Wee is our guest and won't be doing any thing.
I do hope you enjoy the fights.Especially Rob Storey V Saenchai Sor.Kingstar.
Tickets are available at the gyms but mostly will deal through our website and
Any enquiries,please call TEL:0161 4299660
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-08-11 08:45:40
Formula one events have aeroplane displays, Bikes events stunt shows.....the demonstrations ar'nt for you or the hundreds of others attending to see the fights. They're for those new to the sport. Offering a variety of displays to raise awareness and capture imaginations.

Id be the first one to say demonstrations are an opportunity for a swift beer at the bar. but I also recognise there place in the grand scheme of things...Plus if any one in the audiance can jump that high and kick that accurately theres still time for them to join the preparations and help with the demonstrations ha ha.....

Posted: 2009-08-11 08:47:44
Drive a bus over JD!

Only joking....

Master Sken as always I wish you the best in your up comming show,promoting Muay Thai as always.
Posted: 2009-08-11 09:45:37
This is the beginning, you will see very big shows next year.The best is yet to be!!
Thanks Dave and Rich.Rich I have not heard from you for long time,I hope you are well.
I have more determination than ever, I now commit myself for the fighters and will create new British,European and World Champions. I have done it before I will do it again,start with Paul Karpowicz,Eric Darricarere and Billy Hatton. I have now many fighters will join my dream team.However I will choose fighters who have very serious commitment.They must be so right at Physically and Mentaly.

I will create not only Champions in the Ring but also Champions in Life.

Well, any fighters would like to join me, I am very willing to commit myself to teach and to help you to achieve your goals and dreams.

Then I will leave this country and follow my goal to help the children in Thailand and other countries who have no parents,no where to eat,to live,and no education but I will give them good future and to see the World like I do.
Past 33 years, I keep on learning,training,teaching and spending time 24/7 constructively.
It is a time for me to come out, fight,alive and kicking again.
"United we stand,devided we fall"
Posted: 2009-08-11 10:14:02
Great post Master Sken
Its good to hear your dreams
....for the greater good and development of muay thai

I am reminded of a saying that one of my friends has on his facebook page:
A hundred years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove... but the world may be different because i was important in the life of a child.
Posted: 2009-08-11 10:21:32
Michael Jackson?
Posted: 2009-08-11 10:28:24
Master Sken,I am very well thank you.
Posted: 2009-08-11 10:40:43
Many thanks Noi666,good to hear from you.
Whatever your labours and aspirations,
In the noisy confusion of life,
Keep peace in your soul.
With all its sham,drudgery and broken dreams,
Itis still a beautiful World.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be Happy.
Posted: 2009-08-11 15:42:22
Good posts Master Sken and Noi666 and DC.It looks like there will be something for all including newcomers.
Thanks Master Sken i will try to get my tickets soon through the gym i attend if not i will use the website to get them.
Posted: 2009-08-12 09:52:32
Hi chalky
Please contact me directly,I will arrange tickets for you personally and arrange good seats for you(VIP Services) You are always a good supporter of my shows and thank you.
Te:0161 4299660
Posted: 2009-08-12 12:17:40
Master sken...the mental...who ya gonna call xx
Posted: 2009-08-12 13:04:12
Hi Vinny
It's for my good supporters.... how are you?
Posted: 2009-08-12 13:21:12
Sorry the mental side give me a call please, Eric was interested and paul well you saw the results at Reebok show hope its going well for you,love Vinny xx
Posted: 2009-08-12 13:41:52
Paul and Eric trained very hard today,Paul appreciated your help. I shall keep in touch.Back to teach now.Best..
Posted: 2009-08-13 09:50:35

Tickets are also available at
liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-13 10:33:22
master sken dont forget my 100 pls
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-08-13 11:48:42

Hi M Sken, heres a photo of Rung as requested
Posted: 2009-08-13 14:39:29
Thanks Stevie,Rung is a fantastic person and fighter.I am looking forward to see him against Panicos.This match will be another war!!!
Posted: 2009-08-13 15:31:10
Thanks Master Sken and very grateful.I will be in touch £45 ticket is for myself.
Posted: 2009-08-13 16:17:03
I am looking forward to see you again too Master Sken! Where did you get that photo Stevie!?
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-08-13 17:00:50
you sent it to me
Posted: 2009-08-15 03:53:35
Hi Chalky
Please give me a call on Monday from 9.30 A.M.Thanks Tel: 0161 4299660
Posted: 2009-08-15 06:00:06
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-08-15 14:29:57

Posted: 2009-08-15 18:59:50
Quality poster Master sken
Posted: 2009-08-16 14:17:50
Can't wait for this show, i'm honoured to fight on such a show with all these great fighters thank you Master Sken
Posted: 2009-08-17 10:08:20
tat2 thank you
Hi AndyBC
Your post is very sensible,but I would like to hear Sandy's answer.Thanks
Kieran Keddle1
Posted: 2009-08-18 03:19:41
Rob really wants this fight and will be training hard for it no doubt. Seanchi is a step up in class for anyone outside of Thailand but everyone is beatable. Ill be there supporting all Brits so why dont we get behind our countrymen?

The end of the day Rob is 37years young and is always testing himself and i know he wouldnt turn down an opportunity like this - what a name to have on his CV when he retires. Good luck mate and to all fighting on this event.
paulo da silva
Posted: 2009-08-18 04:25:01
rob if you are reading this good luck and well said kieran.
Posted: 2009-08-20 09:21:52
The Line up is still the same,sorry for a delay with the posters/leaflets.
They are ready by next Wednesday.Tickets are ready and going very quick.
Please book yours now.Instructors/trainers and fighters,please confirm your tickets but take what you really need.
We will also give you a code/reference to book on line so that a commision will go to each trainer or fighter.
We have arrange a code/reference for De Vere Whites Hotel,Bolton.
Tel:01204 66 77 88
Fighters and Trainers's guests,please book direct with the hotel.
Posted: 2009-08-20 10:33:10
Master Sken Academy (MSA)
Muay Thai Premier League 7th November 2009 Supershow

Commission Rates and Terms re Ticket Sales

Referral Commissions for Gym owners, trainers and fighters (hereafter ‘buyers’) BUYING DIRECT FROM MASTER SKEN ACADEMY (NOT TICKETWEB)

Tickets purchased Commission rate (on nett of VAT ticket price)
1- 5 0%
6-25 10%
26-50 15%
Over 50 20%

1 Commissions are only for tickets bought directly through: (i) the MSA website or (ii) by phone or in person from MSA (NB: NOT orders from Ticketweb).
2 Tickets will only be dispatched by ordinary mail once the tickets have been paid for in full.
3 To determine the applicable commission rate, commissions will be paid in the week after the show.
4 FULL NAME, MOBILE NUMBER and EMAIL ADDRESS of persons for which the tickets are being purchased should be provided on the sheet (attached).
5 Tickets per each order will be sent directly to buyers (for onward distribution).
Posted: 2009-08-20 17:01:13
Brilliant line up ,
Props to Rob Storey.
Hope he can pull it off ,

good luck to Andy lord of the dance , Liam Jordan and Thrasher,
Good opportunity for Jordan and Anth.
Well done M sken ,
great show

Posted: 2009-08-21 02:17:20
Thanks Jonno.See you at the show.
Posted: 2009-08-22 15:12:06
Dear Instructors and fighters
Please sign Fighter Contract and send it back to me as soon as possible,if you have not yet recieved it, please contact me immidiately.
Best regards
Posted: 2009-08-23 17:59:10
Having not been up there in a while .... how long would it take to drive from Manchester city centre to the venue ???

A few of us gonna come up for this one and make a full weekend of it ...

Posted: 2009-08-23 18:08:00
9 miles Russ.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-24 05:05:23
did Rungravee fight yesterday??
Posted: 2009-08-24 05:19:43
Andy BC,Well said that man...lets not detract what a great show this will be!

Unfortunately,Threads on here sometimes go off on tangents and It would seem suspicious to some that Sandy has had a bit of a "say" on one fight after he was told he was'nt required on this show and Richard and Sandy i'm sure can sort their differences out they are grown up men.

GOOD LUCK to all the Fighters and gyms and To Master Sken for putting this show on.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-08-24 05:22:26
did that 3 in 1 six rounder happen at stadium other week after the 2 in 1?
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-08-24 05:27:07
iv just read on muaythai focus that rungravee lost yesterday to narunart.

it was in this thread that started off about a fight on august 2nd but i think the guy was referring to yesterday when he was talking about rungravee
Posted: 2009-08-24 06:06:51
Rungravee (Dom) did lose yesterday on points, Dom was the more aggressive fighter and moved forward as he does.

I think the fight between Dom and Andy is going to be a great fight, should be very interesting and since there has been so much talk about match up's, this fight should be a perfect match. Anyone got a spare few quid for a plane ticket?
Posted: 2009-08-24 23:49:44
Rungrawee lost on points to Narunart, was a great fight with Rungrawee going forward throughout. If the fight was at Lumpini he may have got the nod as they tend to favour the walk forward fighters more than ch7.
Posted: 2009-08-25 03:26:37
Hi GMaster Sken, are the rooms at the hotel available for everyone or just fighters and their trainers?
Posted: 2009-08-25 06:23:28
Hi Matt
The Rooms are available for everyone,please check the reference/code number for booking.See you soon.
Posted: 2009-08-27 04:40:52
Master Sken
Is There update on the tv/satellite platform for the event.
Posted: 2009-08-27 07:01:52
Hi Pete
I don't quite understand your question.Do you mean time schedule?
Posted: 2009-08-27 10:06:42
No Sir
not so much time,,,

But will it be on say SkySports 1 / Eurosports or a dedicated MSA channel..

Posted: 2009-08-27 13:11:22
Now I understood,Pete.Thank you.
It will be on Sky Sport1,2 and Extra.But I will be able to confirm 100% later date.A Director of programme will have to adjust many Sports time Schedules.
Posted: 2009-08-29 03:02:39
Kob Khun Khrab Dave J.

Posted: 2009-08-30 12:41:25
Hi Tony Myers
Please contact me re:Referees and judges at the show.

wayne roy
Posted: 2009-08-31 14:17:14
From Ch7 on the 23thAug09 .
Narunart Sengsimaew gym(Red)vs Rungrawee Sassiprapa gym(blue,white anklets) About 1hour into the video.

liam badco
Posted: 2009-08-31 15:49:43
rungravees an animal...did saggetdao win tonight at raja??
Posted: 2009-08-31 22:27:08
yeh he had a last minute change of opponent as Jomthong pulled out. Fought Daoprakai Sor Sommai and suprisingly dropped him with punches in 3rd and had him all over the shop, in rd 4 Daoprakai stunned Sagetdao a little with some big punches of his own, but wasn't enough and Sagetdao won points.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-09-01 01:46:54
Hi Russ
be good to see ya in Bolton too
tat2 writes:

Having not been up there in a while .... how long would it take to drive from Manchester city centre to the venue ???

A few of us gonna come up for this one and make a full weekend of it ...

its more like 19 Miles
to the Stadium Reebok and de vere whites

Hvaing lived here all my life and Drooove from Bolton To manc over a gazillion times lol

if you want a night out in Bolton too?
let me know?
will look after you


p.s. master sken if you want me to sell you tickets as per all your past shows?
please let me know and please as usual when they come out and posters i will promote it in our and host town
sandy holt
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-09-01 01:47:44
btw 20 mins in a car

Posted: 2009-09-01 04:40:41
Wow he is fooking massive??? Rob what weight was this at mate? He is mental i love it, gunna be a menatl fight ;) cant wait.
Posted: 2009-09-01 05:15:46
it was at 119 pounds Andy mate or 54 kilos
Posted: 2009-09-01 06:04:48
54??? My fooking god, how massive is he gunna be with 24hours eating inside him?? eeerrrr. He had best be a dwarf i no that much, lol. Cheers mate.
Posted: 2009-09-03 05:29:04
Dear Intsructors
The posters/Leaflets are sending to you today.
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-09-03 06:53:23
how violent is andy vs rungrawee gonna be???!!! there's gonna be lips hanging off all over the place i cant wait!
Posted: 2009-09-03 09:38:46
lol if i have my way mate there is going to outrageous ammounts of violance all over the place and lips and teeth strewded about the reebok,lol love it.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-09-04 05:58:28
just been speaking to andy and found out his fight is no longer for the WMC world title as the wmc wont sanction his fight? I know Master Sken was really pushing for andys fight to be a title fight too and i think its a shame and a bit of a farce that after all nthe hard work hes put in on wmc shows and his career they wont sanction the bout?? Hes won the WMC intercontinental title, the WMC MAD title, hes number one at his weight in the UK and been in some of the greatest fights this country has ever seen what else does he have to do?? i lost faith in the WMC after the shennanigans with my world title and im sure everyonbe who follows andys career will agree this isnt fair really, got the top 55kg fighter from europe fighting the a 10 tem ranked fighter from thailand?? what else do they want, i dont understand why they will sanction Dicks Vs Kulebin but not Andy vs Rungravee?
Posted: 2009-09-04 06:10:27
might have something to do with you two being related, as we already know your not there favorite cup of tea.
maybe stefan fox will come on here and give an explanation, or maybe not, but he could at least email andy if he doesnt like putting reasons on an open forum.
Posted: 2009-09-04 06:13:03
Have to agree with Liam on this big time, Andy deserves to fight for the WMC World Title, his fight career is second to none in this country and he is a worthy World Champion. What I and many others would like to know is why Stephen Fox will sanction the Alex Kulebin v Michael Dicks fight and not Andy's ??? would be good if Mr. Fox would come on here and explain his reason's for this. This is the biggest show to be promoted in the UK and after all both GM Sken's and Andy's hard work and dedication over all these years in Muay Thai this show deserves this fight to be for the WMC World Title. I hope the powers that be see sense and sanction this fight it's the very LEAST Andy deserves after everything he has achieved in our sport.
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-09-04 06:22:28
ridiculous from WMC they should be happy that master sken them to sanction this fight on such a big show?? i agree stephen fox should explain why not?
Posted: 2009-09-04 07:28:46
Howson is more worthy to fight for a WMC world title than anyone i can think of,
f****ng joke,
least you still get to have a scandalous war again mate,
Liam R
Posted: 2009-09-04 07:29:43
scandal belt avoidance
Posted: 2009-09-04 07:33:37
Andy has gone above and beyond his call of duty whats the story behind it? x
Posted: 2009-09-04 12:17:46
Hey up guys, first off thanks for the support, and second of all when i spoke to Master Sken this morning he made it clear that it wasnt stephan or Ralph's doing as they too where really pushing for the fight to be for the title, Mr Smith also cleared that up with me when i had a chat to him, it is the powers that be in Thailand that hate me and dont want me to fight for it,lol. On a serious note though of course i am bothered but at the end of the day it isnt the belt that your fighting for that makes you a good/great fighter its who you fight and who you beat, and all this has done is made me more determind to put on a scandalous display of whacking and win this fight and win it well, then i can look and laugh at them about it, and after all it isnt the wmc who has got me where i am or made me the fighter i am today it is a mixture of me, Richards training, and brilliant management, loads of help and advice from Liam and all the Thai trainers at Jitti Gym and the support from my family that has so thanks, and let the smacking commence. If/When i beat Rungravee they will have to give me a shot and guess what?? i may turn it down,lol.
Posted: 2009-09-04 14:51:15
VERY well said Mr Howson .....

Master Sken ive sent you a few emails about VIP tickets for the show , When is the best time to call you , unless you could email me and ill return it .


gavin r
Posted: 2009-09-04 21:00:33
well in andy u know ur number 1 here mate and soon the wmc will know it too
Posted: 2009-09-05 03:03:12
Dear AndyBC
AndyBC-You know you are worth it and you know it.I always will do my very best for you,Richard,Team Bad Co. and others.
I am very disappointed with WMC ranking committee.Stephan Fox,Ralph Beale and I have done our very best to get the sanction.
I must express my sincere thanks to Stephan and Ralph for their help, support and arrange what is nescessary for the show.
Most people won't know how hard it is to organise HIGH QUALITY SHOWS.
Hi Russ,
Sorry I have not recieved your emails,my mail box may be fulled up,please try again or give me a call.Cheers.

stewart buchanan
Posted: 2009-09-05 06:10:27
top show cant wait.
Posted: 2009-09-05 08:26:38
Russ, please contact Alan for tickets.Thanks
Thanks Sewart.
Please book your tickets now.There are not many tickets left.
Posted: 2009-09-05 08:28:26
Sorry Stewart,miss spelling your name.
Posted: 2009-09-07 05:15:17
Agh Master Sken its ok i no it is nothing to do with yourself, you have always done your best for me on your shows, thank you for that. Its ok it is the fight that i want not just the belt, just nice to have another 1 thats all, it will come 1 day. Thanks again.
Posted: 2009-09-07 05:36:36
I am sat here wishing the winter in so this show hurrys up...tick tock times passing fast..excitement 100% X
Posted: 2009-09-07 14:12:13
Sorry it will slow down the thread but it is important to show.
Alex Abusin is fighting V Dave Southern.Both of them are very good guys and I like both of them.
Posted: 2009-09-07 14:14:01
Try to download Alex's photo but not working will try later.
barry denholm
Posted: 2009-09-07 17:53:46
good luck to every one on the show .top line up .i hope rung does well as he is a top guy . trained with him in inverness . him and vernon made me very welcome when i was working up there
Posted: 2009-09-08 04:56:50

Alex Abusin

Alex Abusin is fighting V Dave Southern
Posted: 2009-09-08 09:49:07
Sorry to hear the fight isn't for the title mate, but best of lck for it anyway.
On a lighter note - what do the lads reckon to us all getting a room after the show so we don't have to wonder far for after party etc
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-09 06:11:01
I am advised today from official sources that Dave Southern has announced he does not want to fight Alex and has walked out of his gym.

A new opponent will be found and announced in due course.

Liam R
Posted: 2009-09-09 06:35:38
good work andy
Posted: 2009-09-09 11:10:42
thats bad news about David Southern hopefully , we will see him back in the ring soon.
Posted: 2009-09-10 04:14:47
Dear Instructors
We need an opponent for Alex Abusin 67-68kg and an opponent for Daniel Hudson 75-76kg, unfortunately Steven Jones has injured and will not be fighting on the show.All other matches are fine.
Posted: 2009-09-10 06:12:53
Dave Southern has never refused to fight anyone, Yes its true that Dave is no longer at the gym, but these matters are between Dave and Mark.

Good luck Alex against your new opponent.

Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-10 07:00:27
Fair point and respectfully i reitterate I was advised I did not state verbatum that dave did not/could not want the fight. fighting or not fighting has nothing surely to do with the gym dave trains in surely given that its over 2 months away? we're ready should Dave still want to fight.

However; as ever it is unfortunate when fighter and trainer no longer see eye to eye and go their separate ways. I trust Dave and mark resolve any differences as soon as is possible.
Posted: 2009-09-10 08:02:09
David Southern is a Good fighter and a Great person looking for a better gym.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-10 08:09:43
Then may he do so with success.

All the best

stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-09-10 10:05:54
whats alex's record
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-10 10:14:05
14 fights 10 wins. 12 of those A class full rules.

3 wins by KO/stoppage
Posted: 2009-09-10 10:22:17
Why not offer the winner of Luke Turner v Josh Turbill the chance to fight Alex. They fight at the Reebok for the UKMF English Title on 26th Sept, so there's some continuity there.

Just a thought, don't read anything more than that into my comment
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-10 10:31:29
the english title is classified as B class european rules. Also; we said we'd fight luke but he wanted to fight at 66kgs. The best we can do is 67/68kgs.

Posted: 2009-09-10 14:20:58
boxing craig,

What exactly do you mean by "David Southern is a Good fighter and a Great person looking for a better gym"? Dave is a fantastic fighter and a really great person that i agree with, but its the remark about the 'better gym' thats has my attention. Mark works damn hard for everyone who uses his gym, not only the fighters but the everyday people who come to train. So please explain whats ment by the "Better gym comment".
Posted: 2009-09-10 15:04:22
Luke fought A class b4 and the title weight is 66.6kgs, just a thought.
Posted: 2009-09-10 16:09:54
I second that thought daz!
liam badco
Posted: 2009-09-10 16:31:48
master sken still waiting for my tickets pls
Posted: 2009-09-10 19:43:57
Gonna be a great show this , cant wait to see Andrei Kulebin vs M Dicks .Both class fighters IMO.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-09-11 00:23:33
hey Andy
Great post re: this and yep
your right
and Good Comes to those whom do good
your a good man !

Chok-dee mak mak your a ledge

andy howson writes...
and after all it isnt the wmc who has got me where i am or made me the fighter i am today it is a mixture of me, Richards training, and brilliant management, loads of help and advice from Liam and all the Thai trainers at Jitti Gym and the support from my family that has so thanks, and let the smacking commence. If/When i beat Rungravee they will have to give me a shot and guess what?? i may turn it down,lol.
Posted: 2009-09-11 03:48:45
Master Sken please check your emails, thanks. :)
Posted: 2009-09-11 04:22:34

Liam,I sent it to Richard Smith but wait for more tickets.
Smeikl11,I wiLl look at my mail today.thanks
guy caledonian
Posted: 2009-09-11 06:24:14
Hi Master Sken and Nigel...i've emailed Nigel's address r.e potential opponent for Alex. regards, Guy.
Posted: 2009-09-11 07:44:02
I think you are wasting your time dazza the thai, thank you for your input though it is apreciated by some of us.
Posted: 2009-09-14 10:56:25
Hi Guy
I will contact you soon.We have a discussion about this fight.Thanks
Posted: 2009-09-15 13:58:00
somw quality fights lined up as always by m.sken .... going to be a cracking show hope it all runs smoothly and as your shows always do ;)
Posted: 2009-09-15 14:40:17
Hi Wainey
Thank you,hope to see you at the show.All the best.
I really look forward to see all fights,it's a pleasure to see top quality fighters and to please all spectators.I hope everyone will enjoy this show.
Thakoon Pongsupha
Posted: 2009-09-16 00:08:06

Thakoon Sasiprapa gym with Sakeddaw, Saenchai, Rungravee
Posted: 2009-09-16 10:15:24
Kob Khun Mak Khrab Nong Kob
See you all in England,all the best.
Posted: 2009-09-16 12:40:22
Look forward to speaking to you there Master Sken.
Posted: 2009-09-16 12:57:21
Rungravee is class. Seen him fight 5 times now and from what ive seen I personally feel he's gonna do Andy Howson over. He's another class all together. The man can battle 5 rounds full pace non stop without getting tired and his chin is unbelievable. He's like a robot. Dont underestimate this psycho Andy. He's dangerous. Hes got pure venom in him.

Sakeddaw. I trained with him for 7 months. His tehnique is awesome. Power amazing and chin made of metal. Seen him fight loads. I rekon hes gonna do a number on Liam Harrison. Just becasue Liam fought Sanchai (one of the greatest nak muay) dont mean he cant lose or get sparked out by someone less noticable.

Liam and Andy. Dont take my words personally and get upset by them. Its an open forum. Just saying what I know and feel. And on a side note you two are great fighters. The best the uk has.

Chokdee all of you.

Posted: 2009-09-16 12:59:23
that Rungravee looks like a right little hardcase, he's just got one of those faces that just says "gimme your dinner money or you're gonna get leathered"

he scares me a bit
Posted: 2009-09-16 13:01:23
wow judging by that last post i was right, he is a double hard mental case
Posted: 2009-09-16 13:40:00
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh YET more trolls, don't you just love them.
Posted: 2009-09-16 14:15:50
thot it was just an opinion
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-09-16 23:44:36
from what i know with my knowledge of Liam and Andy is the above will just raise their bar and and bit between their teath, and inspire them more to train( if poss: ? ) harder !
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-09-16 23:46:23
from what i know with my knowledge of Liam and Andy is that the above will just raise their bar and and bit between their teath, and inspire them more to train( if poss: ? ) harder !

Andy and Liam im reffereing to of course ! go the lads !
Liam R
Posted: 2009-09-17 04:25:24
Thats good that they both have excellent chins so we can expect a 5 round war as we know howson and harrison both have ridiculous chins too, cant wait.
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-09-17 05:08:44
The line up for this show is unbelievable.

I didn't think that Dan Green legends show (when Harrison fought Saenchai) would ever be topped in the UK.
This has done it.
Almost every fight on this card could headline most shows.
This will be incredible, can't wait.

Not too long to go now, I think we're about 8 weeks out or less.

Best of luck to Master Sken and to all Fighters

Posted: 2009-09-17 06:00:00
push yourself for the MC douglet.
Posted: 2009-09-17 15:38:31
thats exactly what he s doing the big suck up lol.........seriously though hope you get this one dougie boy!
Posted: 2009-09-18 06:54:47
Ive never really seen Liam take massive hits to the chin that he couldnt handle , where as Andy on the other matter seems to thrive on gettin hit in the face and enjoys it lol (f++k that).

this is a fight game and shit happens .... and not always in favour of the 1 expecting it .... take the bull by the horns and punch its effing head in the 3 of you .

Tell ya wot , 20 yrs ago i wished i had had the balls , determination, heart , soul, that the people of the likes of Howson, Harrison, Keddle, Showers,Storey, Trainer,White,Cadden, Hendle(only a young lad but fook he got nuts) and a few more have got ... ill be there abusing the 3 of you lol

BLOODY GOOD LUCK TO STOREY HOWSON HARRISON (all of whom i cant stand)lol
Posted: 2009-09-19 06:41:44
Every fighters have a chance to win, I know that a key of winning is very professional preperation by both fighters and trainers.Many hours and days of training/teaching wisely and know your own strenght and weaknesses plus understand your opponent's.
This will help fighters to win.Eigther win or loose, all fighters and trainers are part of Muay Thai history.You have a right to support and predict your fighter to win.What we will see, we have very good freindship and mutual restpect in Muay Thai as Ring Sport, these quality which we have and we are so different from other Sports.Keep up good works everyone.All the best.

Please come and support your fighter/favourite stars in November 7th.

Best of the best fighters yet to come on our shore in 2010, I am really looking forward for next year.
Posted: 2009-09-21 10:29:55
Hi Guy
You have an email,please give me a call
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-09-21 10:41:09
Have to say, after Dougie McAdams MC performance at "for the glory of" he would be an excelent addition to this show
Posted: 2009-09-21 12:51:09
I am waiting for Doughie's dvd of his works on the show.Doughie,please give me a call.
guy caledonian
Posted: 2009-09-21 16:34:55
Big thank you to Master Sken for matching Stevie Meikle with Alex Abusin, this is a great opportunity for Stevie to return to the UK scene having spent most of last year in Thailand, training first with Fairtex, then more recently with RMB. He has stayed very active and has a great understanding of scoring well in muay thai, he is a smart fighter with stamina for days, this should be a great match.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-21 18:02:09
alex is under no illusions this is a harder fight that he had hoped for. certainly stevie's got the experience over Alex but following a tried and tested formula of always being the under dog and fighting above our ranked position, we look forward to the challenge.

Posted: 2009-09-21 23:39:12
Thank you to Master Sken for this oppertunity to fight on such a massive show. Ive been away in Thailand for some time now so will be good to be back fighting in the UK again.
Posted: 2009-09-22 03:02:58
Hi Guy and Stevie
It's a pleasure to have you on our show.It will be very good fight, Alex has improved all time,he has a good heart and spirit to fight plus such a good person.
Mel Woosey
Posted: 2009-09-22 07:49:36

Hi Master Sken,

Douggie has asked us to make us a DVD for him, as you can appreciate we have had a very busy few weeks and the work load is horrendous, I would just like to say, I would put douggie up there with the best, and trust me you will not be disappointed in appointing Douggie as MC for your show in November and any future shows. p.s don’t forget your fighter’s profiles as discussed. Cheers Mel
Mel Woosey
Posted: 2009-09-22 07:55:38
Too many us's sorry , must take more care lol
Dave Croft
Posted: 2009-09-22 08:06:28
Stevie ive just had it confirmed. to make it fair Ms Sken has agreed you have to be blind folded for the first three rounds! Ha ha

See you on the 7th...
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-09-22 22:01:05
hahahaha lol but then they dont score the first 2 or 3 do they? ;-p x

and yep Dougie did a grand job at Simons show the other week
Posted: 2009-09-23 06:24:51
Hi Mel
Did you recieve my show's trailer?
I know many people tell me about Douggie and I trust he is very good.
Please send me his DVD,my partner and I will be able to watch and confirm his work.Many thanks.
P.S.I will make sure Paul and Eric sort out their profile and fight record for you/P4TV.
Please Rob Cox,Vinny and Douggie send me a professional good looking/handsome photograph for SKY TV.
Posted: 2009-09-23 06:53:37
ok no worries i have loads mainly on my wall x
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-09-23 07:00:56
Master Sken,
You have mail.
The pictures are both good looking and handsome, I confirmed that with my mother.
Posted: 2009-09-23 07:13:30
I should be able to send a professional looking photo no problem, it's the handsome good looking part we will struggle with :P
Posted: 2009-09-23 08:36:08
Thanks all for swift reply.
I recieved the photos,a problem is who is better looking than each other. Any way Rob, your photo is needed urgently,please.
Posted: 2009-09-23 08:55:11
Its got to be me surely...xx
Posted: 2009-09-24 05:09:19
Dear Instructors
Please all confirm me if you have recieved tickets that I have sent to you, I am not sure Post Office strike effecting your mails.

Posted: 2009-09-24 06:21:00
Sorry but am so excited to do this i will be less comedy for this because i will be mesmerised by the Thais and our boys,weirdly i was 60 kilos in the demo team when the 1st time Master sken brought a Thai team over,and watched it on screensport with Steve bloom doing commentary now after 19 years i am with Rob cox who is awesome also so happy and grateful thanks for the chance i will not let you all down xxx
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-09-24 06:46:27
Ive got mine, sold them all and may need more,

I am running a bus from hamilton to the show on the 7th it will leave at 8am, it the moment it is full however we may order a bigger bus as a couple of gyms have expressed interest, the bus will be no more than £20pp, if anyone is interested let me know asap.
thank you

Posted: 2009-09-24 09:58:45
Oldham and Bowlers Leisure Centre come to mind 6 Supreme World Titles in one day and Televised live many countries.Certainly Muay Thai has come so far now, we can do it again. With all of us help and support each other, we can create a great history for Muay Thai and everyone involve in UK and around the Globe.
Vinny,you know I had helped and shaping your life for better,it's my pleasure to have you on board.
Stevie,please let me know as soon as possible, if you need more tickets. I will sort it out for you.
Posted: 2009-09-24 10:02:25
Hi Mr.Smith
Please contact me,ASAP thanks.
Posted: 2009-09-24 10:28:58
Thank you Master Sken x
guy caledonian
Posted: 2009-09-24 11:01:59
Brian Calder is running a bus down on the 7th, leaving from Milton, then the Griphouse, Glasgow City Centre, please get in touch with me or Brian for details, the more the merrier....'mon the Scots!
Posted: 2009-09-24 12:38:34
Stevie,Guy, Alan,John Craig,Brian Calder,Gary O'Brien plus Rung(Is he Scottish?)Scottish Army will invade Bolton.Are you Celtic football fans??
All are Welcome to England.
Posted: 2009-09-24 17:07:14
The coach will be leaving the Griphouse at 9.15am 7th November, £20.
Posted: 2009-09-26 03:42:00
Just reminding you,if you need tickets please go to...., and plus all trainers/Gyms.
On the websites,please look for MSA Muay Thai Premier League.
Standard=£30 Available but not many.
Premier Outer Ringside=£45 Available
VIP Ringside=£100 with Thai Food.10 Tables available.
Posted: 2009-09-26 04:35:50
I am sooooooooooooo excited again....its a habit x
Posted: 2009-09-26 04:44:52
Just read this thread - what a fantastic line-up!
And a fantastic line-up makes for a fantastic show!
All the best Master Sken.
Posted: 2009-09-26 16:29:18
M.Sken writes:

Stevie,Guy, Alan,John Craig,Brian Calder,Gary O'Brien plus Rung(Is he Scottish?)Scottish Army will invade Bolton.Are you Celtic football fans??

why do you ask this M.Sken?
Posted: 2009-09-26 17:31:50
Hi keepyerguardup
Lots of supporters from Scotland,every time Celtic played in England there were so many passionate fans.Rung is living in Scotland I thinks he become Scotish now.Only Joking.
Sorry if you take any offend.
Cath,How is Brett and your life in Nz? I am very glad to hear from you.Take care.
Muaythai King
Posted: 2009-09-26 17:47:01
Stevie hates football, he must have always been the last one picked when a child LOL ;-P
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-09-27 03:56:47
compared to MTK who was picked on as a child lol, hes right though, i cant stand "the beautiful game" maybe its because i was brought up in the shadow of Fir Park lol. as for the rest of the names up thier i think thier all rangers fans lol and that's why they didn't comment.
made me laugh though.

Muaythai King
Posted: 2009-09-27 04:57:52
Contrary to what Stevie says, I was never picked on as a child, although he is making up for it now LOL
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-09-27 05:33:49
lol nessy. :-)
Posted: 2009-09-27 13:10:20
as stevie says i think most a re rangers fans but i dont think theres enuff of them to wreck manchester again lol

Posted: 2009-09-28 01:59:32
LOL @ Vinny and Rob re photo comments.

This show does rekindle the excitement of the past great shows (still got all the programmes). All the very best to everyone involved.

AndyBc. The titles are great, but, as a fan, great fights/fighters are more exclusive. This fight has an edge because of the fighters not the title. All the best.
Posted: 2009-09-28 09:27:15
How much are tickets?
Posted: 2009-09-28 09:27:55
Sorry, just seen Master Skens post above.
Gary D
Posted: 2009-09-29 04:14:44
LMAO Kieth

good luck with the show M. Sken, and all the Scots
Posted: 2009-09-29 04:21:47

Good luck with the event, Grandmaster Sken from all your friends at the Liverpool Muaythai Academy.
Posted: 2009-09-29 12:08:39
Hi Phil
How are you doing?
Many thanks to Gary D,jasmin09 and Liverpool Muaythai Academy for your well wishes,my freinds.
See you all very soon.
Posted: 2009-09-29 16:16:57
Hi Master Sken, I am very well thank you, how are you? I trust the organising of this huge show has not been easy!

Best of luck with it all, it will be fantastic. I can`t wait to be there.
Posted: 2009-09-30 03:46:11
I am very well Phil,thank you.It is very hard to organise a top quality show and many more shows.I can't wait to see many good fights.
Look forward to seeing you there.
Posted: 2009-10-01 03:38:37
Morning Master Sken
Any news on whether you might be able to get a press/media conference and the weigh in covered by Sky..
Posted: 2009-10-01 03:50:25
Dear Instructors
We have sold most of our tickets now,if you can not sell your tickets please return to us urgently.
Liam,I will get tickets for you from ticketweb.As soon as I recieve them,I will send them to you.
May I remind everyone who wish to see this show,Premier outer Ringside £45 are available and 5 VIP Tables are still available.
Please book your tickets now.
Posted: 2009-10-01 06:45:49
Hi Pete
Our team will be filming Interview with fighters ad trainers for Sky at the weigh-in.We need you to be there.Thanks
Posted: 2009-10-03 05:34:15

Redwan Ameur is injured,Andy Thrasher's new opponent is Mehdi Zatout from the same camp. I watched Mehdi Zatout fights on Youtube,he is very good fighter.But I am sure Andy can match Zatout's skills.
Posted: 2009-10-03 07:47:19
Master Sken..

Things shaping up nicely awesome lineup and a venue thats second to none..

The more exposure we can get the better , hopefully the national press will get behind the show..

Its a honour and a privilege for to be part of your media team
for this most prestigious event of this years outstanding calendar..


Posted: 2009-10-03 11:34:50
gutted for andy revenge was on the horizon!!! oh well batter his mate, then rematch him some other time.

Good luck G. Master Sken see you on the 25th Oct. Show looks great. Are there any rooms left and is there a code to quote to get any discount? Think I may make a night of this...
Posted: 2009-10-05 03:55:33
Hi Simon
I will see you on 25th Oct,please tell me how the seminar set up, as we have many Instructors, we need lots of space to cater for all people who will turn up.I have one person will be joining the seminar from France.
Please give me a call regarding the tickets, of course it will be a good discount for you.Take care.
Posted: 2009-10-05 16:38:44
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-05 17:12:22
how many times has that fight been ducked now?
Posted: 2009-10-06 00:28:43
Hi Liam R
Redwan Ameur is a very reliable fighter, he is really injured this time.Watch the fight Andy v Mehdi,it will be a war.
Posted: 2009-10-06 03:43:30
Dear Instructors
If you have not sold your tickets, please return tickets asap.Many thanks.
You still can get the tickets from
If anyone has a problem to get hold of tickets, please contact me directly.
Tel 0161 4299660
Best regards
Posted: 2009-10-06 04:59:27
Dear All
If you wishes to book a room at De Vere Whites Hotel, please use this Reference
DE00743945 Tel: 01204 66 77 88

Posted: 2009-10-06 13:57:06
Master Sken
Will there be a MSA clothing / equipment range available on the lead up
to this inaugural MSA premier league event..
Posted: 2009-10-07 03:40:47
Hi Pete
Of Course, we will have our own range MSA Equipments.
We will give free MSA Premier League T-Shirt to all our VIP Guests and who bought VIP Tickets at The Lion of Vienna VIP Room.
May I remind you- VIP Tickets holder, please be at the Venue-Premier Suite Entrance/a seperate VIP que at latest 11.30 A.M. then you will take you to The Lion of Vienna above the Premier Suite. Food will be served at 12.00 Noon.
Posted: 2009-10-07 03:43:01
Sorry we will take you, well you can take yourself to the VIP room
Posted: 2009-10-08 05:12:36
Hi Russ
I sorted out VIP tickets with Keiron, many thanks.
Posted: 2009-10-09 12:57:06
Any prediction?
Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton
Ally Smith V Marc Sargeant
Rung V Panikos Yusuf
Andy Thrasher V Mehdi Zatout
Michael Dicks V Andre Kulebin
Rob Storey V Saenchai Sor.Kingstar
Andy Howson V Rungravee Sasiprapa
Liam Harrison V Sakeddao Petpayathai
Phil Burke V Paul Grant

Posted: 2009-10-09 14:49:24
No worries master sken .
Muaythai King
Posted: 2009-10-09 17:11:33
Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton................CALDER
Ally Smith V Marc Sargeant.....................SARGEANT
Rung V Panikos Yusuf...........................RUNG
Andy Thrasher V Mehdi Zatout...................THRASHER
Michael Dicks V Andre Kulebin..................DICKS
Rob Storey V Saenchai Sor.Kingstar.............SAENCHAI
Andy Howson V Rungravee Sasiprapa..............HOWSON
Liam Harrison V Sakeddao Petpayathai...........HARRISON
Phil Burke V Paul Grant........................GRANT

Posted: 2009-10-09 17:34:08
Is Mehdi Firoozi from sheffield on this one?
Posted: 2009-10-10 01:33:00
Mehdi Firoozi V Olly Watson. But Watson is not able to fight.This fight was to replace Steven Jones V Daniel Hudson,this fight is now off due to both fighters are injured.
Posted: 2009-10-11 15:30:25
Guy Ramsey,please contact me asap,thanks
Posted: 2009-10-13 04:10:11
Hi Mr.Smith
Please give me a call,thanks
Posted: 2009-10-13 08:54:27
best of luck Anth Shelton, i am sure the time in Thailand puts your best foot forward for this fight, do the business mate.
Posted: 2009-10-13 16:51:03

Just short of 4 weeks to go ( 25 days and yes the contdown is on )

The reebok will be bouncing once again..

WHERE ARE YOU SAT ( hope youve got your tickets )VERY FEW LEFT..

Posted: 2009-10-13 17:17:07

Marc Sargeant winning at sheffield..
Posted: 2009-10-14 03:38:00
Hi Marc
Congratulation, I know you and Sai booked this fight long time ago.I am very glad that you have no injury.
Posted: 2009-10-14 08:41:46

Posted: 2009-10-14 13:55:31

M.Sken writes:

Hi Simon,
I see you on 25th Oct,please tell me how the seminar set up, as we have many Instructors, we need lots of space to cater for all people who will turn up.I have one person will be joining the seminar from France.
Please give me a call regarding the tickets, of course it will be a good discount for you.Take care.

Master Sken, here is the information you require .
Can all instructors arrive at 12.15 on the day of the seminar AT SAPPHIRE GYM!




Muaythai 2 x 1hr INDIVIDUAL sessions 1.15 and 2.15
Grandmaster Sken,Master Ronnie Green,Mike Tobin,Dave Jackson,Anne Quinlan

Street Combat 1x 1hr session
Lucci Del-Gaudio

Mixed Martial Arts inc ju jitsu
Lucci Del-Guadio,Kenny Rotherham,Jimmy Mulhearn


Chokdee, looking forward to seeing you on the day, Grandmaster Sken !

Call me direct on: 07932605522 if you require any additional information

Posted: 2009-10-15 03:08:29
Many thanks, look forward to seeing you on 25th Oct.
Posted: 2009-10-15 09:41:58
Thanks Master Sken i can't wait to fight on your show.I was wondering how many seats are there on the VIP tables???
Posted: 2009-10-15 12:10:50
I am looking forward to see your fight and in fact I am looking forward to see every fights.There are 10 seats per table.Please book your tickets very soon, it is going very quick now.
Posted: 2009-10-15 14:33:34
jordan watson added to the card ????
Posted: 2009-10-16 00:30:40
Yes,I am very pleased to announce that Jordan Watson V Stephen Meikle is now confirmed.
This fight will be real quality and exciting fight.Stephen is training and fighting in Thailand and it is always a pleasure to see Jordan's fights and really nice person.
Thanks to Mr.Smith,Guy and of course both Jordan and Stephen for your help to make this fight possible.
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-10-16 05:21:05
Let's get some more predictions happening folks.
Only three weeks tomorrow.
I cannot wait, this is gonna be the new bench mark for Uk Muay Thai.

Ok, my predictions are:

Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton
Calder win (points)

Ally Smith V Marc Sargeant
Smith win (stoppage)

Rung V Panikos Yusuf
Rung win (stoppage) or Panikos by points but I'm going with Rung

Andy Thrasher V Mehdi Zatout
Thrasher win

Michael Dicks V Andre Kulebin
Kulebin win

Rob Storey V Saenchai Sor.Kingstar
Saenchai win (points)

Andy Howson V Rungravee Sasiprapa
From what I've heard this one will be a war
I'm going for another Howson win by body shot, same as last time at Reebok

Liam Harrison V Sakeddao Petpayathai
Harrison win

Phil Burke V Paul Grant
Grant win

Jordan Watson V Stevie Meikle
Can't call this one.
I'll hedge my bet and go for Watson by stoppage or Meikle by points

Any betting happening on this show folks?
Posted: 2009-10-16 06:53:37
I met Stephen whilst out in Thailand and he had said that he was due to fight Jordan Watson on this show and I was going to ask if it was definite as hadn't seen it mentioned on here but looks like it is. Stephen seemed a really nice fella, although just about all the fighters I've seen or met seem to be decent blokes, but he's gonna have a hard time of it with mr Watson - another excellent bout and good mix of styles.Can't believe how fast this show is coming round!! Am I the only person that thinks Rob could pull off a shock? Even if he doesn't win I'm going for him to really push Saenchai and surprise a few people... easier said than done mind!! ha many have tried before. Reckon the Michael Dicks fight will be a barnstorming affair as he doesn't possess a reverse gear! So many great fights and no clear or easy calls as the matches are all good... my only prediction is we'll all be gutted when it's over!!!!
Posted: 2009-10-16 09:46:38
As much as i like seanchai as a fighter (the man is purely awesome), im really gunning for Rob to take this yes i know him personally but he is a seriously fit little twat with the heart of a lion , so YES i do hope a causes a shock and beats Saenchai.

i dont know liam half as much but still wanted him to take it too .

Rob seems to enjoy being cut tho the sick fooker lol so if it dont end that way i think he has a fighters chance and bloody good luck to him too .

Posted: 2009-10-16 09:49:16
Its just the start..xx
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-10-16 22:53:47
Best of British to the British !

master Sken you get my my Voicemail?
/ e-mail?
Posted: 2009-10-17 03:27:34
Vinny is correct,"Its just the start.."
Posted: 2009-10-17 04:10:09
A calmer version of me for this one,although i,ve covered some brill action in my time this is the one i wanted and i am excited xx
Gary O'Brien
Posted: 2009-10-17 11:46:54
Really looking forward to this, going to be a brilliant night, hope it all goes well for you Master Sken and best of luck to all the lads fighting on this!
jo young
Posted: 2009-10-17 14:36:43
lets just hope your not one of the judges again !!!
Posted: 2009-10-18 05:56:38
Hi Gary
Thanks.Look forward to seeing you at the show.
Jo,Gary is not a judge.He is a good guy.
Gary O'Brien
Posted: 2009-10-18 08:48:58
Posted: 2009-10-18 18:05:47
Dear All
If you have a problem with hotel and do not mind to travel from Stockport to Bolton.You can book in at Almalodge Hotel,Stockport,please quote my name:MASTER SKEN Tel:0161 4834431
You will get less than half price,it's £30 per person including Breakfast.

Alix James
Posted: 2009-10-18 22:24:45
Awesome show, wish I could get to see this :(

Come on Sarge :)

Hope Liam and Andy do the business on this against top opponents, great fights for UK MT.
Posted: 2009-10-19 03:40:38
For all the lads & ladies that cant attend,,


Also on the Friday just to wet your appetite all the weigh in photos LIVE..

Dont wait till the weigh in TO BUY your tickets though "they might be all gone "

Cant wait what a show !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 2009-10-20 03:32:50

Jordan Watson
Posted: 2009-10-20 03:43:21

Stevie Meikle
Posted: 2009-10-20 03:44:31
Jordan Watson V Stevie Meikle

could be fight of the night this one..
Posted: 2009-10-20 03:49:29
I am waiting for the photograph of Jordan Watson from Mr.Smith.
Do you have full frontal Photo of Jordan,Peter?
It's for Sky and Show Programme(best quality).Urgent please.
Posted: 2009-10-20 03:49:40
Does it get better than a word no..get there is Saenchai,s last fight you can say "i was there"...xx
Posted: 2009-10-20 03:54:44
on it now sir
Posted: 2009-10-20 04:24:04
I met Saenchai in Thailand, he was very open minded about Muay Thai as Ring Sport, especially Muay Boran techniques he loves it.
I will organise the seminar with Saenchai at my Gym and UK Tour.
Please tell me, anyone is interested in the seminar?
I will confirm a date when he is in England.

Thanks Pete

Dear all
Here is the link and De Vere White Hotel Address:

Address for De Vere Whites Hotel, De Havilland Way, Bolton BL 6 6JB
Posted: 2009-10-20 04:34:45
Pete,the photos are excellent. You are very quick and many thanks.
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2009-10-20 05:30:46
Thank you M Sken for these amazing match-ups and for letting us bet on them!

bet on Saenchai v Storey with BeLuckyTote
Saenchai v Storey

(please dont ask Q's about the betting on this thread - its all explained on the BLT site)

Good luck to all the fighters on the show. Looking forward to seeing Thakoon too :-)

Be Lucky!
Posted: 2009-10-20 10:13:18
Panicos Yusuf V Rung
This fight will be another exciting fight.
I really like both of them, they are brilliant gentleman and very good fightets.All the best.
Posted: 2009-10-20 11:35:20

Panicos Yusuf
Posted: 2009-10-20 12:17:01
typo wrong-"fighters"
Posted: 2009-10-20 12:18:51
Many thanks,Pete
Posted: 2009-10-20 15:37:49
I'll definitely be up for the seminar sir as will my students!!! really looking forward to this show now and think there is a real buzz around Muay thai that has not been there before... hopefully it'll keep growing and growing.
p.s you keep saying wait till next year!!! can't wait to see what's in store if quality of this show is anything to go by..... roll on 2010!
Posted: 2009-10-21 10:20:46
Dear Matt
I always can count on you. Yes it will be a great year for Muay Thai.
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2009-10-21 11:40:44
bet on Rungravee v Howson with BeLuckyTote
Rungravee v Howson
Posted: 2009-10-22 08:41:31
Thanks Sid, your site looks great.I might have ago on betting.As the promoter I have to be impartial, good luck everyone and BeLuckyTote!!!
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-22 09:34:26
Looks like Scandchai will be repping TS on this.
Posted: 2009-10-22 10:50:33
lol TS represents

Posted: 2009-10-22 10:52:25
Team Scandal
Posted: 2009-10-22 10:56:15
This is THE show.....can,t wait can you Coxy xx
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-10-22 12:15:23
I can't wait Uncle Vinny, I start getting nervous when I just think about it.

Team Scandal are well represented though for sure, lol.
Posted: 2009-10-22 12:23:24
after show drinks anybody ??????????????
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-22 14:18:15
me Howson and scandchai all repping TS on skysports and Rob cox with TS commentary...its goin global...
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-22 14:21:18
jst realised i missed big D out TS MC....make sure you have badge on display on your white tuxedo
Posted: 2009-10-22 21:38:13
im excited Vinsters yes!
Posted: 2009-10-23 03:21:08
Are you going to be there Rob?
Posted: 2009-10-23 06:17:16
Dear All
VIP Tickets holders,please note you will have a seperate entrance.It is TOWER ENTRANCE(at the back of Premier Suite), you will go straight to The Lion Of Vienna VIP Room.After your meal, you will be escorted to VIP RINGSIDE SEATS and enjoy the show.Please do not forget your tickets,you will not be allowed in.

I try my best to give you an Instruction for VIP Tickets:PLEASE USE CAR PARK C.
From Car Park C,go to the Premier Suite Entrance, do not go through this entrance but carry on walking for 50 yards to the Tower Entrance on your left hand side.Please give your tickets or collect tickets from this Entrance.
Please be at the Venue from 11.00 A.M and latest 11.30 A.M.
At 12.00 NOON You will be served with Food.
We will not be waiting for you, if you are late.
Dress Code:
Casual/No Jeans.If you wish to dress up with suit and tie,even better.

Premier Outer Ring Side Tickets and Standard tickets,please use Car Park C.
Premier Outer Ringside tickets, please stay on a que "A"
Stardard/Normal tickets, please stay on a que "B"(close to the wall)

It will be very long ques, please be there early.If it will be raining, you will need an UMBRELLA.

If you have no tickets, buy it now.It will be SOLD OUT!!!!
Instructors/fighters:I will send an email with our Company Bank Account to you.
Dead line to return tickets and money is FRIDAY 30th November 2009
Best Regards
M Sken
Posted: 2009-10-23 06:26:57

Posted: 2009-10-23 06:30:15
The poster is designed by Kyle Noone.Kyle,much appreciated.
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-10-23 06:56:46
I've been tuxedo shopping this morning.
I bought a suit so fine, I'm gonna make Frank Sinatra look like a hobo!

Two weeks tomorrow, can't wait!
Posted: 2009-10-23 07:15:51
the spartan
Posted: 2009-10-23 07:18:19
team spartan would just like to wish all fighting the the best of luck
Posted: 2009-10-23 07:33:43
Is there a running order of fights arranged yet Master Sken?
Posted: 2009-10-23 07:56:16
Hi Phil
It's good to hear from you.How are you doing?
Yes we are working on fight programme right now.I will post it on Monday or Tuesday OK.See you at the show.
First fight,it will be Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton
Saenchai V Rob will be our last fight,they are real good entertainers, I can not wait to see when they make an entrance.I heard Rob is going to do some thing spectacular, I do not know what it is yet...Saenchai's Moh Lam(Tradional Thai-Esarn Dance) is brilliant.I would like to see everyone join in and rock through the roof.Exciting!!!
Posted: 2009-10-23 08:20:17
That poster is brilliant what an event this is going to be..


POSTER Brings back memories dymo tape !!lol
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-23 08:27:55
master sken pls put andy after me as i cant handle watching him fight then having to fight myself as i nearly have a heart attack...thankyou
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-23 08:45:06
Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton
Calder win KO

Ally Smith V Marc Sargeant
Sargey win pts

Rung V Panikos Yusuf
Panikos tko

Andy Thrasher V Mehdi Zatout
Thrasher win KO

Michael Dicks V Andre Kulebin
Kulebin win

Rob Storey V Saenchai Sor.Kingstar
Saenchai win

Andy Howson V Rungravee Sasiprapa

Liam Harrison V Sakeddao Petpayathai
Harrison tko

Phil Burke V Paul Grant
Grant pts

Jordan Watson V Stevie Meikle
Posted: 2009-10-23 08:53:43
Kyle Noone's design
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-23 09:03:15
Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton
Calder win pts. got wrong person thought was from another gym
Posted: 2009-10-23 09:05:55
Master Sken, is it everyone who cant wear jeans or just the people in VIP section,just need to check the dress code to make sure we dont turn up scruffs lol x
Posted: 2009-10-23 09:10:01

Posted: 2009-10-23 09:17:34
Liam Badco, your wish is my command.I know someone is gonna get heart attacks for very exciting fight/fights.

marianne, VIP section-no jeans.Cheers!
Posted: 2009-10-23 09:26:23

Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-10-23 09:30:40
I see the 'Lord of War' is sporting some sun tan there, haha.
Posted: 2009-10-23 16:01:39
Thanks Master Sken.

I am great thank you, can`t wait for the show. Hope all the final stages are going to plan and the stress isn`t too much!
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-23 17:20:10
best photo ever that one...forgot other TSscandlers doghand and thrasher....sorry boys,,,

thank you master sken :)
Posted: 2009-10-24 01:09:18
Im there Phil just 11 days and counting till we fly, cant wait
Posted: 2009-10-24 03:33:17
Thanks Phil,...Stress!!! Any promoters can tell you that how stressful it is.I have to cut off from stress by training,teaching.I've just got back to do jogging every day now.I will be doing a demonstration as well.I am really look forward to it,though.Best...

Rob,please bring lots of Muay Thai Magazines for me and look forward to see you again.
Posted: 2009-10-24 12:43:30
Is there still any standard tickets available for this. I need 4.
Posted: 2009-10-25 02:41:48
Outer Ringside tickets and few VIP Ringside tickets Left,please call us what we can do for you 0161 4299660.Thanks
Posted: 2009-10-25 05:17:40
is the show going to be live on sky sports?
Posted: 2009-10-25 09:55:22
i know its on here somewhere but what time do the doors open and what time does it start,thanks
shona grant
Posted: 2009-10-25 17:54:20
Good luck to Paul Grant and Rung,we will be there cheering you both on
Posted: 2009-10-25 20:07:59
Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton
Anth win points, Anth top Lad :@)
Posted: 2009-10-26 01:01:20
Dear All
Door open at 11.00 A.M.1st Fight will start at 1.30 P.M.

It is not live on SKY.It will be on Sky in December.The programme will be shown
4 dates.I will let you to know the dates toward the end of November
Posted: 2009-10-26 01:24:20

Designed by Kyle Noone
Posted: 2009-10-26 01:25:50

Designed by Kyle Noone
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-26 04:02:51
master sken can you email me that poster please i wanna print it off and its not comin up properly on here
Posted: 2009-10-26 04:28:15
pass it on to me liam.
Posted: 2009-10-26 04:43:52

Hi Liam
I try it one more time,I am not sure why it didn't download properly.Please give me your email.I will send it to you.Cheers.
Posted: 2009-10-26 06:18:57

Master Sken could you please get Kyle to make another 1 for me please?? but not with that awful bloody picture on?? god knows where he even got it i thought id banished it from exsitance.. Could you ask him to use this attached pic please? thanks.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-26 08:13:12
no dont do it thats best picture ever
Posted: 2009-10-26 18:16:33
Alan and Ally,please send the photo urgent,thanks
Posted: 2009-10-26 18:40:42
I agree with Liam leave that pic on the poster that pics ace LOL
Posted: 2009-10-27 04:11:03
Hi Andy
I sent your photo to Kyle,hope he gets it done for you soon.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-27 08:17:43
Dont change the pic we love scandal complexion looks like uv just woke up from a bad hog dream its mint.
Posted: 2009-10-27 08:28:26

Here is your Poster, Andy by Kyle Noone
Posted: 2009-10-27 08:32:54

Hi Andy
You gonna kill me,sorry haha
I try it again,all the best.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-27 08:35:29
Good work Master Sken, love that poster. i know why it is displaying the old one but i cant tell u, liam wont let me haha
Posted: 2009-10-27 08:41:50
Hi Liam R
I was absolutely surprised, on my PC it did show the old one.I know Andy will go mad.Please send the old one to him haha.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-27 09:00:19
hahaha love it
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-27 09:53:08
Look at andys face he looks like someones just broken his plasma TV or summat
Posted: 2009-10-27 10:57:56

Designed by Kyle Noone
Posted: 2009-10-27 13:25:47

Posted: 2009-10-27 13:45:30
holy christ at the size of Watson's legs that is ludicrous
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-27 13:46:22
i wonder if infamous TV surgeon will be at the show
liam badco
Posted: 2009-10-27 13:47:22
hes the quadfather...they are ridiculous
shaun litherland
Posted: 2009-10-27 16:07:21
Posted: 2009-10-27 16:20:26

Posted: 2009-10-27 16:43:17
Cant wait for the show! good luck with it Master Sken and to all the fighters, especially Liam, Andy, Jordan, Thrasher and also my little mate Jordan Calder, great opportunity on a big show for you! Also really looking forward to Rung v Panicos, Panicos has been awesome lately but you can never count out Rung, great fighter and great guy!! Be great to see Saenchai over here again and also to see Kulebin fight
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-10-27 17:02:55
yer davy i can't wait to see kulebin aswell i'm a big fan he's class
Posted: 2009-10-28 04:09:02
Thanks DavyMac,see you at the show.

Dear all
Normal seats are absolutely sold out now,however if any Instructors have not sold them, please send them back to me by DHL or UPS.I will pay for the post.
There are few VIP tables and Outer Ringside Tickets available.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-28 04:53:34
Quadzillas legs r mental fuck getting mule kicked off that.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-10-28 04:54:51
Liam, i have been praying every night that operation plasma scandal is there. Fingers crossed. Wheres howser, cant believe hes missing out on this action hes gonna love it.
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-10-28 10:09:44
hi master sken i bought 2 x £30 tickets off today. do they still have them tickets?? just because i noticed you sell all standard tickets have gone now.
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-10-28 10:17:36
hi master sken i bought 2 x £30 tickets off today. do they still have them tickets?? just because i noticed you sell all standard tickets have gone now.
Posted: 2009-10-28 11:43:37
Hi Darren EFC
Please don't worry you will recieve your tickets,I will ask ticketweb to take Standard tickets out.
Posted: 2009-10-28 14:16:48

Kyle Noone
Darren EFC
Posted: 2009-10-28 16:03:19
thanks master sken
Posted: 2009-10-29 05:15:17
Hi Darren EFC
It's my pleasure.Any problem with tickets,please give me a call 0161 4299660
Posted: 2009-10-30 03:12:10
Dear Insructors
Today is a dead line for tickets and money,I did send my Bank Account to you,if you have not
received it.Please contact me right away,I will call you all today.
Best regards

Posted: 2009-10-30 12:54:33
Many thanks to All Instructors.
Everyone has been very supportive and co-operative today.
By Next week and before the show, it will be great to confirm that every single tickets are completely sold, with your help I am sure we can do it.Anyone else needs Outer Ring side tickets and VIP tickets please contact me.
Tel:0161 4299660 email:

Posted: 2009-11-01 01:08:41
Dear Instructors
I know it's 6 days to go but this message is to remind you and give you few informations as you may not read nor recieve the meassage.
Weigh-in Venue at:
The Lion of Vienna Room.The Reebok De Vere Whites Hotel,Bolton
Time:6.30-7.30 P.M.Please be on time.Dan and I will be there froom 6.00 P.M.

I have confirmed you all with weights,please contact me if you are unsure.

Corner men/seconds: Strickly 3 persons only.Please sort your team out before you are going to Fighters Entrance.This is TV programmes,I need your co-operation.

VIP Ticket Holders: CASUAL/NO JEANS.Arrive at Venue by 11.30 A.M.Car Park C and use TOWER ENTRANCE,next to Premier Suite.DO NOT FORGET THE TICKETS.
Premier Outer Ring Tickets:QUEUE A(LEFT)
Standard/Normal tickets:QUEUE B (RIGHT)
TICKETS: Most tickets have been paid for,there are very few people who will have tickets and money,please bring them with you at the weigh-in.
Posted: 2009-11-02 00:17:48
We have now confirmed a new date for next year.It is Saturday 27th March 2010
Phil Glover
Posted: 2009-11-02 00:58:40
Liam v Anuwat!!! in the words of a ninja turtle...that is AWSOME!!!
A match like this one very well deserves the MEN Arena I really hope everything pays off and there is a big crowd too this will definitely push the sport beyond all expectations.
I'm still looking forward to this weekend,but already even bigger things are to come WOW!
Christmas really has come early,if anyone can do it Liam can!!!
Posted: 2009-11-02 04:30:48
Due to unforeseen circumstances I now cannot attend on Saturday so have 2 £30 tickets available.

If anyone knows of anyone who wants them please let me know on here or email

I`ll deliver them by hand if in Leeds area or nearby, or happy for someone to collect.


Posted: 2009-11-02 06:18:39
Hi Phil
If you still have problem,please get in touch with me.
So I won't see you at the show.Next time,OK.
Posted: 2009-11-02 06:23:53
A kind soul has offered to take them from me Master Sken, but thanks anyway.

I`m absolutely gutted I can`t make it so hope it all goes to plan and good luck everybody on here who is fighting.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-02 06:24:31
Posted: 2009-11-02 07:34:18
Anybody got any tickets for this show?, i could do with 2, if anybody would be so kind please contact me at
Posted: 2009-11-02 08:31:34
I can also be contacted on 07852926505, Good luck with the Show Master Sken!
Posted: 2009-11-02 10:18:40
Hi DJ_Lex1
I give you a call, I can help you.
Posted: 2009-11-02 10:27:49
Thanks for helping me out Master Sken, will be great to be at the show!
Posted: 2009-11-02 11:12:16
It's my pleasure Alex.

Dear All
Please do not order any more tickets from, there are no tickets left. I have told them to stop events/tickets facility.But it will take some time to stop this.
If you have enquiries or require any help with tickets, please contact my office: Tel. 0161 429 9660
Posted: 2009-11-02 17:30:45
Wow....this is awesome,i get to do Tv with Rob cox ,fluent in Thai knowledge and passionate and we will educate the public,traditions,scoring,rituals etc,my aim is to do this right and show the public why we love it,a calmer version of me as i want the public to respect our art,iv,e said for ages Dan greens a good guy and he is as is Master Sken,me and Dougie are so looking forward to giving it our all as is the MSA team,i really hope you enjoy the show as i know i will,oh and lets get behind our boys and show them how we do it UK style xx
Posted: 2009-11-02 17:46:58
sort it out vinny lad!
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2009-11-02 18:58:52
I didn`t think was going to be able to get to this event due to other Wolfslair commitments but i have now re-arranged things and cant wait for the show :)
Posted: 2009-11-03 03:01:20
Dave Jackson,please give me a call,cheers
Posted: 2009-11-03 05:28:07
For anyone in Scotland that has tickets or has bought tickets off the internet and doesn't want to drive to the show I have 10 seats left on the coach and I have 1 £30 ticket left. Coach price is £20 and leaves the Griphouse at 9.15am on Saturday. Anyone interested leave your e-mail on here and I will get in touch. I have sold loads of tickets to people who are not going on the coach hence the spaces.
Posted: 2009-11-03 07:23:39
whats the final line-up for the show?

cant wait for this super show, ring side baby!!
Posted: 2009-11-03 12:48:34
The Line up is still the same.It will be great fights.

Posted: 2009-11-03 13:11:25
Dear VIPs

First, thank you for joining us at our inaugural supershow. We are working hard to make this an especially enjoyable day for each and every one of you. To help us make your experience as smooth and relaxed as possible, please note the following:

1) Tickets: Please remember to bring your tickets (unless you are picking these up on the day - in which case, please bring your email confirmation/ID Card).

2) Car Park: CAR PARK C

3) Time of arrival: doors will be open at 11:00 am - please be there by 11:30 am.

4) Entrance: TOWER ENTRANCE (at the back of the Premier Suite) straight to “The Lion of Vienna VIP Suite”. (Note: from Car Park C, the Tower Entrance is a further 50 yards from the Premier Suite Entrance (which is for non-VIPs).

5) Dress code: Smart casual (no jeans, please).

6) Lunch: Thai - served at 12 noon.

7) After lunch: you will be escorted to the VIP Ringside Area to enjoy the show.

Once again thank you for being with us on Saturday and helping to make it a huge success.

Best regards

The MSA Team
Posted: 2009-11-04 04:04:47
Dear Instructors
De Vere Whites Hotel, De Havilland Way, Bolton, Greater Manchester
Friday 6th November 09.
Weigh-in:6.30-7.30 P.M.
Please arrive at the Hotel about 6.00 P.M.
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-11-04 04:55:50
This is a message for Fighters / Instructors:

Firstly, for those of you who don't know me, my name is Dougie and I am the MC on Saturday.

Could all fighters please e-mail me a list of titles held, UK rank etc or anything else that you would like read out during your Pre-Fight Introduction.
I'd like to give everyone as BIG an intro as possible so this information will help.
My e-mail address is:

I'll be at the weigh in on Friday, so worst case scenario I can collect details then although I had hoped to use that time to get info from the foreign fighters (who don't use Ax).

Anyway, best of luck everyone and again a huge thank you to Dan Green and Master Sken for the opportunity.

With Respect
Dougie McAdam
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-11-04 11:32:10
My predictions for Master Skens great show

Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton Anthony Shelton Win

Ally Smith V Marc Sargeant Sargeant Win

Rung V Panikos Yusuf Panikos Win

Andy Thrasher V Mehdi Zatout Thrasher win never heard of Zatout bit of an unknown but still thrasher win

Michael Dicks V Andre Kulebin Absolute war dicks win by stoppage if not kulebin on points hows that for sitting on the fence

Rob Storey V Saenchai Sor.Kingstar Sorry but if Saenchai comes to fight he wins no disrespect meant at all rob is a great fighter also would love to be wrong here

Andy Howson V Rungravee Sasiprapa Rungravee win

Liam Harrison V Sakeddao Petpayathai this is going to be an absolute shit hot fight best of luck to both guys liams loss to anuwat will make him one hungry mofo but sakeddao looks sharp as F£$k :) so no prediction here haha

Phil Burke V Paul Grant Burke Win
Posted: 2009-11-04 12:50:54

Posted: 2009-11-04 15:15:29
Hi Dougie
Please contact Dan, he has fighter's information.
You are very welcome and look forward to seeing you.
All the best
Posted: 2009-11-04 15:18:58
this is like christmas..


cant wait
Posted: 2009-11-04 15:34:54
this is like christmas..


cant wait
Posted: 2009-11-04 15:36:55
Well i am on board the good ship MSA as commentator,its like christmas for me what a year i,ve had xxx
Posted: 2009-11-04 15:46:45
And nobody deserves it more than your good self sir..
Its a top commentary team , gonna be fun & informative...
Posted: 2009-11-04 16:34:35
i just can't wait for this now......
Posted: 2009-11-04 16:41:39
HaHa I wonder who Desmond really is, 1st post, Think I know haha.
Phil Glover
Posted: 2009-11-04 16:49:13
Thank you for one of the few remaining tickets left for the show Master Sken my student was extremely grateful and like the rest of us we just can't wait until Saturday comes!
This has just got to be the most anticipated Muay Thai show held in England so far!
Posted: 2009-11-04 16:55:03
I do like that picture of Thrasher
Posted: 2009-11-04 16:55:39
My profile is filled out for all to see :)
Posted: 2009-11-04 17:05:25
Yeah I know who you are hahaha
Posted: 2009-11-04 17:15:21
We are lucky....2010 is massive,thanks Pete i,ll do my very best xx
Posted: 2009-11-05 07:14:15

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Posted: 2009-11-05 09:12:43
LOL welcome to the lovely british weather boys hahahahah , they look as cold as f88k, poor sods
Posted: 2009-11-05 09:50:33
Brill don,t take them to city lol awesome pics xx
Dave McAteer
Posted: 2009-11-05 10:15:39
I hope you had to go to Old Trafford yourself Pete and didn't send someone else LOL
Posted: 2009-11-05 10:47:23
put carrier bags over my shoes & wiped my feet on the way out haha
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put carrier bags over my shoes & wiped my feet on the way out haha
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Posted: 2009-11-05 12:14:37
Wow!! weather is so bad,just got back from Bolton.I nearly fell to sleep on wheel,anyone thinks to promote the show easy,do try it.Well worth it though. especially to see so huge response from every body.Another beginning for Great Muay Thai era.
See you all at the show.All the best.
Thank you Pete for taking time to see me and Thai Team at Airport and a short tour of Manchester United.They love it.I know you are a City Fan,haha.
Posted: 2009-11-05 12:36:11
When does the show go on sky?
Posted: 2009-11-05 12:40:43
december mate
Posted: 2009-11-05 14:55:13
ta mate, what date ? just so i know when to watch it lol
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2009-11-05 16:11:24
Did you take the Thais to Old Trafford...was it some sort of punishment for something???

Anfield is only 40 miles down the road yet you made them go to Old Traffrd?

Thats reall tight, after such a long flight they at least deserved a good day out!
Posted: 2009-11-05 16:24:09
Dave i think the Thai's wanted to experience what a place that brings great success feels like ;)

By the way i was just wondering what exactly u get for the 45 pound tickets. I paid £45 but me n my mate cant get there till half 12ish so worried we wont have a seat? someone told me all them tickets are seated? any help much appreciated
Posted: 2009-11-05 20:38:17
i can,t sleep....i really need to grow i won,t i can,t wait xx
Posted: 2009-11-06 04:07:23
Hi mattyb
You get a seat for £45 plus great fights and Demonstrations.If you want food £100 VIP ticket.Our security and helpers will keep an eye on everyone and to be seated (but no seat numbers)on their own ticket areas.Hope this help,cheers.
Posted: 2009-11-06 05:22:40
Hi Master Sken. Did you receive my tickets yesterday?

Surely Elland Road and the glorious city of Leeds would have been a far more attractive proposition for the poor lads. It`s well known Sanchaei is a big Jermaine Beckford fan.

LOVE the pic of Rooney getting one to the chops! If only it was real!
Posted: 2009-11-06 05:43:57
Sorry Master Sken, ignore that post, just seen your post on my other thread!

Thank you very much for your help, I really appreciate it.

Posted: 2009-11-06 06:06:30
am i reading it wrong and its just the £45 tickets are with seats and the £30 tickets are stood up or are all tickets seated?.
Posted: 2009-11-06 06:15:29
Good luck to all my friends x

Good luck son luv ya xxxx.
Posted: 2009-11-06 06:43:38
Hi Splinter
£30 get a seat,please go upstair if you are late for seatings.I have put more seats.I do hope there will be enough seats for everyone.cheers
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-06 07:38:54
Chok dee to everyone involved fantastic show master sken
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Posted: 2009-11-06 14:17:06
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Posted: 2009-11-06 16:18:46
anths heavy hands he will give jordan a test,
but cant see him outpointing calder , so calder win by points.

Andy H win by 5th round Ko and both fighters being pushed to the limit and everyone on there feet at the end.

Andy T by comfortable points win.

Liam H win by ko or points.

Saenchai win by points.

Dicks win by cut

good luck to everyone competing ,
well done Master Sken

stevie mac
Posted: 2009-11-06 18:17:23
Best of luck to jordan "the cobra" calder, i,m sure you,ll take care of business as usual mate, also, best of luck to andy and liam, can,t wait!!!
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-11-06 18:48:52
see you all there and be great to see my old pal in the Ring with master Sken too Top Demo if you aint seen them?
and phil tan been in many Films too
Best of British To ALL the Brits @ Reebok Bolton !

go 4 Gold Chaps !
Posted: 2009-11-06 20:28:54
whos competing for what belts on the show?

best of luck to the badco boys and j. calder! have fun!!
Posted: 2009-11-07 00:55:54
Really can't wait for this show - it's like Christmas morning!!!

Good luck to all the fighters and thank you Master Sken for putting on a great show!
Posted: 2009-11-07 03:49:49
good luck ve done the hard work in the gym! cant wait!!
nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2009-11-07 04:38:15
great thread,great pics,great line up.good luck to everyone on the show.x
Posted: 2009-11-07 08:45:34
jordan calder - caledonian
anthony shelton - pheonix

UKMF british juniour title

5x3 min rounds

winner - jordan calder

phil burke - tobins gym
paul grant - scotland

5x3 min rounds


Posted: 2009-11-07 08:46:15
jordan calder - caledonian
anthony shelton - pheonix

UKMF british juniour title

5x3 min rounds

winner - jordan calder

phil burke - tobins gym
paul grant - scotland

5x3 min rounds

winner phil burke

Kelly Leach
Posted: 2009-11-07 09:07:07
Ah gutted for Anth and Gaz Mc, I'm sure it was a great fight xx

Congrats to Phil and Tobes xx
Posted: 2009-11-07 09:13:27
jordan watson - bad company
stevie meikle - caledonian

winner - jordan watson

Posted: 2009-11-07 09:18:31
congrats Jordan C! hope Steven and Jordan had a good fight as they are both mates ;) congrats to u both

any chance you can post whether its on points, KO, or cut stoppage?
Posted: 2009-11-07 09:22:05
thanks for these results!!!!

Posted: 2009-11-07 09:24:38
thanks for these results!!!!

Posted: 2009-11-07 09:30:41
marc sargeant - studio 2000
ally smith - wossobama

winner - ally smith

Posted: 2009-11-07 10:05:55
panikos yusuf - cyprus
rungnakorn - thailand

winner - panikos yusuf

Posted: 2009-11-07 10:50:42
andy howson - bad company england
rungravee - thailand

winner - rungravee

Posted: 2009-11-07 11:46:53
michael dicks - darlington england
andrei kulebin - kickfighter, belarus
WMC world title
winner - andrei kulebin -ko round 1

Posted: 2009-11-07 12:22:26
andy thrasher - GFC england
mehdi zatout - france

winner - mehdi zatout

Posted: 2009-11-07 12:57:06
liam harrison - bad company
sakeddao - thailand

winner - sakeddao

Sid Remmer
Posted: 2009-11-07 13:25:43
Pull out a win Rob!
Kelly Leach
Posted: 2009-11-07 13:30:12
Gutting results :( these must have been tough fights, come on England! x
Posted: 2009-11-07 13:40:15
rob storey - keddles england
saenchai sor kingstar - thailand

winner - saenchai sor kingstar

Uncle K
Posted: 2009-11-07 13:44:29
come on peeps....these were extremely quality opponents, and always going to give our lads a may not be the results we all wanted, but hats off to them all for taking these challenges on.....big respect to all who fought on this show, you have most certainly put UK muay thai on the world map, and you should be proud of yourselves. Never mind the results, this show will hopefully catapult muay thai into the mainstream of sport, and everybody that fought on this will be hailed as pioneers.

Best Regards

Mark (UK)
Kelly Leach
Posted: 2009-11-07 14:20:01
Hey Mark, no one has said otherwise we were and still are behind the fighters representing the country :)

K x
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-11-07 14:26:17
great fights and good to see many Old and new faces and great to see my old training partner from manc and His Wife Joanna, all way over from L.A.
and The Tai Chi master and GM Sken and Paul and Chloe Bruces demos
very entertaining and breaks the harshnes of the Hard side that is Muay thai Hard and top / best sport !

well done to GM Sken and Team sweelip etc:
and ALL the Fighters / trainers etc:
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-07 15:53:50
Great show Master Sken & Dan Green congratulations to you both.

Some cracking bouts looking forward to the next one already ;o)
Posted: 2009-11-07 16:34:55
Were they all points wins?
Posted: 2009-11-07 16:39:56
Had written out a big long post but decided against posting it(after it taking about an hour to write) cos it was more like a novel lol............. so just want to say im well proud of all my mates today win, lose or draw, real inspiring stuff all against top quality opposition, showed what its all about in my opinion!!
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-11-07 16:59:36
jordan calder win pnts
phil burke win stoppage
jordan watson win pnts
ally smith win stoppage
panikos win stoppage
rungravee win stoppage
andrei kulebin win stoppage
mehdi win pnts
sakeddao win pnts
saenchai win stoppage

great show
Muaythai King
Posted: 2009-11-07 18:24:00
Alot of stoppages, which will make exciting TV when aired on SKY that will hopefully get outsiders hooked.
Posted: 2009-11-07 20:05:50
What stopped the Howson fight?
Posted: 2009-11-07 20:15:14
Has been a brilliant weekend and a fab show.

all the fights were excellent,
fight of the night (for me) was Andy Thrashers fight against Mehdi Zatout, really exciting, non-stop action back and forth and was very close, enjoyed it immensely, Andy had so much support and the crowd were on their feet throughout, should be an ace rematch.

gutted for Andy Howson, his leg was done in but he didnt want to stop and had to be held back (literally). still the most exciting fighter in the UK imo!

Liam was on fire but just cleverly outscored, it was like watching him and Numphon (first time) all over again.

Ron Storey showed alot of heart and looked like he enjoyed himself alot which was great to watch. Saenchai was typically awesome and is such an amazing showman and entertainer and unstoppable, such a shame Muay Thai is loosing him to footy but God help the footballer who tries to foul him!

Jordan Watson showed tonight exactly what he is capable of. Everything about him is simply another level, his timing, technique and power is second to none,and he makes it all look so incredible easy but credit to stevie meikle who just wouldnt give up and is tough as nails.

well done master sken on a absolutley brilliant show, we all had a great time x

Posted: 2009-11-07 20:25:47
sorry meant *Rob Storey not Ronnnnnnn* lol x
Posted: 2009-11-07 20:56:25
iv seen rungrawee fight before and hes a bare bad ass, no shame in that andy! hard luck to all the lads who had a ruff night but it happens at this level. some serious talent!
Posted: 2009-11-07 21:03:29


pedro & lauren
Posted: 2009-11-08 00:21:56
congrats to everyone
Posted: 2009-11-08 00:23:37
how long until the DVD of this event will become available and what is the cost?

Posted: 2009-11-08 02:40:16
I just want to respond to Uncle K's point. I think there is a far easy explanation. I completely accept these where top quality opponents but no matter how unpopular this statement is going to be I stand by it both in writing and in person

Instructors and fighters in the UK are trying so hard to be like the Thai's that they don't actually have a system to beat them. Instructors imerse themselves so much in the Thai way of fighting, judging, reffing, scoring that they never ever sit and think for one second how they can actually get a strategy to beat them. When they are with the Thai's they are in awe of them and when they are in the UK they think they are a far better instructor than anyone else and discredit anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Example: Ramon Dekkers had a system that although was not a million miles away from the Thai's was tweaked enough to be very, very effective against the Thais. That's why I also think top european guys beat our guys regular because they don't aspire to be "Just like the Thai's"

It is no coincidence ALL our guys where beaten against foreign opponents last night and GMS show. We have some EXCEPTIONAL talent but I believe the drive to be like a "Thai" is stopping them just going that one extra gear. I think it's a trainer thing that believe everything "Thai" is the right way. So, that get's past down to the fighter.

If you want to beat say Mike Tyson you don't go to train with him. You find a way to beat him. Why does everyone think that to beat the Thai's the best thing is to train with them? Would the best approach not be to train with them find their weaknesses then go away and exploit it. Or, are we saying as UK MT "There is no weaknesses in the Thai way of fighting?" So let's copy it move for move

When I stopped training Colin the number of comments through the grape vine I heard from Daz Morris, Darren Phillips (Both whom trained him after me) about "Colin can't clinch for toffee" "Colin can't elbow" Both exactly right to a point. The amount of clinch and elbows he could do was enough for where we were up to with is fighting (Both could have been developed as and when needed) My point is. Both these trainers thought it was some kind of taboo that he didn't do the "Thai Style" Both totally brushed aside that he could punch your head off because it didn't fit with the "Thai Way"

I know this statement is going to be very unpopular and some ego's are going to be dented so the first line to defend that is attack. If I'm totally wrong can anyone give a logical explanation as to why our very best fighters where ALL beaten last night?

My ultimate question is this.

Are UK fighters trying so hard to copy Thai fighters it's actually stopping them from having the ultimate strategy to beat them and top European fighters?
Posted: 2009-11-08 03:46:54
the shame !!!!!!
Posted: 2009-11-08 03:48:17
Nigel Ash.

IMO the only thing that Ramon had to do to put that bit of polish on his game that would have made his punching an addition to his abilities rather than something he relied on specifically, was to be a bit more 'Thai style' (just imagine if he could clinch?)
I believe strongly that you have to know the rules, the techniques and the strategies of the sport, and only then you apply that something extra (if your clever enough or good enough to develop that).
Foundation is paramount, what you build on top of that is variable (to an extent). The basics have to be mastered first, that is no different than any other sport.
Most of our best fighters are those that train the system. We don't beat Thai's often because we are not pro in this country. Our fighters though, are technically better now than when i was involved and long may that improvement continue.
Posted: 2009-11-08 03:53:32
Another point, on reflection, is that if formulating a system that would win against traditional techniques and values, why has no-one anywhere done it?
Posted: 2009-11-08 04:05:24
nigel..... your not going to beat the thais easy whatever strategy you have.... you get skilfull thais. and the come for a war type thais, but all still have good technique to match with it.... if our fighters have no thai technique or dont train that way then no they wont ever beat them... the same old debate comes up.... if you dont want to fight muay thai as it should be go do k1 or something!!!!! simple !!!! you dont play football and ask them to change the rules just because your a different country, everyone plays the same rules.... so if we do muay thai then we go by the rules they use in thailand and the scoring system... muay thai in britain has vastly improved dont bring it down with stupid comments !!!
robin shepherd
Posted: 2009-11-08 04:22:20
what is there to say about the countless times we HAVE beaten Thais and Europeans? often with our guys working full time for a living too!
Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-08 04:42:39
An amazing show - it was a pleasure to play my small part. I got some great shots, I can't wait for you to see them.

Superb quality fights, right from the start. Well done one and all.

By the way, Rob, I'm in need of an electrician - are you Part P certified? ;o)
Posted: 2009-11-08 04:57:52
The Biggest differnce is the Thais train full time + fight every month since they are kids,if all european fighters did this aswell we would be the same if not better
Also the thais been poor (thats the only reason they fight)fighting to make some sort of Life for them selfs will push them more than anything to train + fight Harder
90% of the worlds best fighters in any sport will come from a poor back round
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 05:11:13
Nigel I couldnt agree with you more and have been saying the same thing for years. My dad was and still is a prime example of that. He never tried to mimic the thais he aknoweledge their strengths and weaknesses and used his ability to try an out strategise them which obviously worked.

This is something I have instilled in myself and my students for many years and believe it is the only way to try and get close to the thais. After all you cant expect to beat a thai fighting there way. There just too good at it.

I spoke to Ajarn Takoon yesterday at the show and he said to me there are some good fighters in the UK like Liam, Andy, Dicksy, Thrasher, Watson to name but a few but they are not Super Stars like Ronnie Green. He said the Thais would come to watch my Dad in thailand and want to watch him fight.

Take Liam's fight for example. Liam had more succes using his hands against the thai which then allowed him to score with other techniques. But oh I forgot according to some people punches dont score so whats the point.

It is this narrow mindedness as to why our fighters fall short when it comes to beating the thais and the fact that they are trying to mimic them.

Although Liam is a great fighter, IMO he had far more succes by using his hands to set up his legs etc earlier on in his career and was far more effective all round.

To me Jordan Watson you are the man a great thinking fighter with a great approach to strategy much love and respect to you my friend.

Posted: 2009-11-08 05:26:46
I can see where Nige is coming from but our lads are fighting at the top of the tree now so losses come with the wins, thats part of the game.

We also have to adhere to the points scoring of Muay Thai as those are the rules set for years and years, so it`s up to us to make sure we get the points on the board according to Muay Thai points scoring criteria.

It`s ok relying on punches etc if you are setting yourself up for a KO, but if its apparant after the first couple of rounds that you`ve got a granite chin in front of you then you really have to revert back to the Thai way to get a points decision by winning the next 3 rounds.

Anyway, well done all yesterday, far better to be challenging the best and losing than getting a chain of wins against sub-standard opponents.
robin shepherd
Posted: 2009-11-08 05:27:05
but dont forget, 20 years ago when ronnie and dekkers were on the thai scene, the thais werent used to the power and use of boxing style of the westeners.
i belive NOW that boxing is growing and is very very popular in thailand especialy over the last 5 years or so,and speaking with orono and sakubon, alot of camps now in thailand are training their new students in boxing first! then moving to muaythai once a solid foundation is build with the hands (also keeping a check on boxing skills of certain students for the thai boxing team in respect of the olympics)
thailand are changing tactics and strategy too! :)
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 05:41:24
Yep totally right Robin!!!
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 05:58:53

Oh and for all those experts who think amatuer is a waste of time and useless for pro muay thai try asking 13 times World Champion Andrei Kulebin who stopped Michael Dicks awesomeley yesterday in thr first round with a left head kick.
Or his Coach for that matter Evgeni Kotelnikov - Head Coach, National coach of Belarus, prepared 19 World Champions.

Andrei Kulebin- born 14 May 1984
13 time World Champion (WMC, WKN, WAKO, WMF, IAMTF)

Won amateur gold medals at 3 or 4 different weight catogories.

Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:00:02

paul pearson
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:01:26
Boxing is nothing new in Thailand,There have been so many good boxing champions and still are.

Nak Muay in the 1960s used far more hand skills than is generally used now(exept by specialist fighters).

My teacher told me "hands are the best ko tools in Muay Thai,however they are the hardest to get in" my experience tells me the same,the value of a good pair of hands is obvious but the whole game has to be developed in a balanced way.

A example could be a fighter that has no ko power in his hands and no chin,have him walk forward and he would get murdered by a clincher.

The example of Ramon D isnt great imho because Ramon had ko power in both hands,a chin of Granite and the heart of a elephant.

Remember Samart Payakarun?(how couldnt we) great hands,but man he could kick,knee,elbow,trick and clinch with the best of them to,tht in turn allowed him to get his hands home.
Lee Green
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Lee Green
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Lee Green
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Deano White
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:07:17
Samart won WBC world boxing title b4 loosing it to Jeff Fenick !!!

Also Sot Chitlada came over here and destroyed Charlie Magrie !!!

Ramon Deckers changed the sport in Thailand there was also some good Japanese fighters in the early days along with Damian Meyers from Oz who was in Thailand fighting in the 80s

BTW heard it was brillaint show well done !!!
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:08:14
Each reigon and then within in that each country will have its own paricular style born from the local culture and the differing wants of local fans.

Its the same in ever other sport boxing, football, rugby, cricket..etc etc

The Aussies took Rugby and Cricket made their own style that fits their national identity and thier crowds now we employ their top coaches.

And the South Americans took football and developed their own styles as have the Africans.

I beleive British fighters do have their own style already, the dutch are a bit more advanced in having thier own style developed and well recognised but so what.

With the current generation of British traniers and fighters spending so much time in Thailand in 10 years top fighters may be able to develop in this country without going abroad to train due to the knowlegde and experince that will be here..the dutch can already do that but the UK is getting there.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:11:44

Evgeni Kotelnikov has produced champions such as

Dmitry Shakuta
Andrei Kulebin
Andrei Kotsur
Dmitry Valent
Denis Varaxa

All of which have come up through the amteur rankings.

Ignorance is bliss I think there a few people who need to take a leaf out of his book.

Great guy and a good friend.
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:12:44
By the way sounds like an amazing show...wish I was there!!!

Congratulation to all the UK fighters competeing at this level regardless off the results and congratulations to all the promoters who are now bringing over top international fighters.

At least international fighters know when they come to the UK they get unbiased judging, more than can be said for certain other European countries
Lee Green
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Posted: 2009-11-08 06:20:15
Your dad didn't have the education that is around now. He was great in spite of and not because of his limited (that needs to be taken in context) education. Had Ronnie been around today with the attributes he possessed then, he may well have been the product that Nige is looking for. I go back a long way with your dad and we have had these conversations. There were people who rode on the back of your talents. Ask him what he would do differently with his training if he had his time again? I'm sure you will find that he would have developed the 'Thai' basics that were not available to us at the time.

Maybe this subject needs a different thread as it is drifting from the tread topic. Sorry about that.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:21:37

Phil Glover
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:24:18
Last nghts show was AWSOME!!!
It was another well organised show by Grandmaster Sken truly professional in every way,all the fights were exceptional highlights for me were...

PHILIP TAN I have'nt seen Phil since we last trained together almost 20 years ago at Master Skens apart from being a Hollywood movie star he is one of the 'genuine' nice guys in the martial arts!!!

CHLOE BRUCE as always was AMAZING!!! I've got to get some stretching done now she's not Muay Thai but what a display of kicking ability a really true inspiration WOW! Chloe is always a pleasure to watch at Master Skens shows in between the fights all I can say is BRILLIANT!!!

JORDAN WATSON is the footwork king he makes it look so easy he's got such a relaxed style,perfect timing and some wickedly fast kicks and Steve Meikle what a tough guy!

RUNG what happened to this hard as nails Thai/Scots man? I love watching his fights as he he always comes for a tear up but this time he began blowing early? and when he pulled out we could'nt see what happened because the cameraman was in the way?

ANDY HOWSON my heart went out to Andy he was in with one tough cookie who was on a mission to seek and destroy, Rungravee stuck to a set game plan and seemed to always be a few steps ahead of Andy throughout the fight.He really worked on Andy's leg and it was painful to watch, Rungravee hacked away at his back leg with those strong kicks and was relentless.
Andy you are a true warrior and we all hope you recover quickly from those kicks you had my wife almost in tears as she really wanted you to win!!!

ANDREI KULEBIN all the fighters from the Eastern Block countries seem to be expressionless and hard as nails Kulebin was one of them,Michael Dicks is a superb fighter but that kick of Kulebin's came out of nowhere in that first round and soon put a smile on Andrei's face!!!

ANDY THRASHER as always a real crowd pleaser and he did'nt dissapoint a shame he lost but what a war if anyone deserves a major title like this then Andy does for all his hard work another true warrior!!!

LIAM HARRISON what does he have to do to win his fights? Liam was constantly going forward pushing the pace,he was the stronger of the two although Sakeddao had terrific balance and defence I still thought that Liam did enough to win,as always he showed total respect for his opponent after the fight,
Liam you are a true star!!!

SAENCHAI SOR KINGSTAR this was our final chance to see what everyone has been talking about and he did'nt dissapoint UNBELIEVABLE!!! Rob Storey did a great job but what can you do against the greatest Muay Thai fighter on the planet?

Now it won't be long before we'll all be talking about the next biggie at the MEN Arena on Saturday 27th March 2010...THANK YOU GRANDMASTER SKEN!!!
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:24:29
I agree Colin I've had many a conversation with him about this myself too.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:27:35

Rob Cox - great to see you bud.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:31:15

The french team also take part in the amateur tournements every year.
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:33:05
OK, who told Rob it was a 70's do?
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:33:40
Only kiding Rob, looking very dapper :-)
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:34:25

Posted: 2009-11-08 06:34:37
Only kiding Rob, looking very dapper :-)
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:37:43

And another great friend Ajarn Takoon - you look so young in the corner when my dad fought sombat.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:39:34
oops sorry

*Ajarn Thakoon Pongsupha
Deano White
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:40:56
Did u get a not guilty Coxy :P
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:42:47

And of course the family

World Champions - Keith "Pele" Nathan and the Deadly Anne Quinlan
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:52:13
brilliant show,well done to all the scottish fighter especially jordan
Posted: 2009-11-08 06:53:44
lol@ Deano
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:01:23

some right nonsense talk on this. keep it positive good old rob. howson and harrison very tough opponents but gave it their all.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:02:23
jordan was amazing as ever, loved it.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:04:20

True MuayThai Legend - Sanchai sor Kingstar
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:07:34
Master Sken best moonwalk in UK Muay Thai loved his dance moves
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:07:39
Yep he was :o)
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:09:12
hmmmm you wasnt reffering to me was you Liam ;o)
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:19:20
lol great entrance Rob and well done in your fight bud against a tru legend.
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:24:38
reference scoring. takes nothing away from liams performance, ask liam who won.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 07:32:10
Ahhh ok let you off this time ;o)
liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-08 08:28:46
i lost fair and square..too many left kicks, i tried to punch his head off but it dint work...

some people talk utter nonsense on here sometimes....

thanks to everyone for the support was a really hard fight x
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-08 09:38:04
Yeah good fight Liam I agree he scored well with the left body kick.

The fight was close and you fought well hats off to you bud.
Posted: 2009-11-08 10:31:41
My two peneth for wot its worth ... Andy H as i said on nite , you are to brave for your own good people love to watch you fight because you give it the absolute all, heart of a lion chin of stone , just wasnt your nite fella .

Liam H to be honest i would have given you the fight mate , albeit by the closest of margins not on my own about the way i felt to .... just shows my ignorance on the criteria , but im def not on my own on the subject of this either . but again absolute quality fight.

Storey , YOU da man .... you tried gave it your all and as ive said in the past done what shite loads of people would give the arm to try , you have shared the ring with the worlds best fighter BAR NONE, you know me and the Showers were routing for ya mate .... and all with a smile , again like Mr Howson to brave for your own good lol ... first words outta ya mouth when outta ring , Fuck he kicks hard .

Also got lumbared with 2 Scottish couples Quality they were, and made the night very enjoyable was really good chatting to you all Funny, polite, and easy to chat to , even if 1 didnt stop giving me ear ache all nite ... Cant wait for the pad work Danielle hahahah , and Kev, Still laughing about the batwings Stay intouch Re; website and Ink .

See ya soon Coxy


Posted: 2009-11-08 10:32:48
I've got to say thats the best show i've to for a long time where i actually sat down & watched & enjoyed the fights. So congrats to Master Sken & Dan Green for pulling it off.
Posted: 2009-11-08 11:26:09
well done Liam, nothing better than modesty pal, everyone knows you're ace
Posted: 2009-11-08 11:27:23
Got home this afternoon and still buzzing from the whole event!!! Everyone of us who came up really enjoyed it. I enjoyed it from the moment we arrived at about 11 o'clock! ha, just the venue itself got me in the mood as it felt professional and you could tell it was going to be a quality affair. Then things got going and it never disappointed, not once. The fights were all good and the standard was first class throughout.... rated so many but especially the french lad who fought Andy Thrasher as he was a bit of an unknown quantity but was razor sharp with great footwork! the technique of the day seemed to be the low kicks!! certainly caused some damage in so many fights.. lot of people limping afterwards!! The demo's were really good and added to the whole day and helped to put the razzamatazz in it and also gave the show an increased family appeal. Once again, great fights, great fighters, great entertainment, great organisation, no queues no aggro.. simply brilliant. Well done to Master Sken and Dan Green, all the fighters and coaches and everyone else that made it a well worthwhile trip up from Portsmouth. Already counting down to the MEN!!!
Posted: 2009-11-08 12:20:40
I feel mental this was the best show i,ve been to ever,Coxy was great the commentary from him was first class and he does know his stuff,razor sharp wit,he was awesome as for the fighters you are all fantastic i am proud to know you and class you as mates.
Master Sken deserves are credit as does Dan,Flick,Dougie and the rest i am ona real high after this the dream job in the dream sport class!!! xx
Jordan calder is the next big thing he was awesome,Hope you who didn,t come please come to the next one,those that did go will tell you why!! No loses when you clash with best fighters from the country that has the best ones simple.
Really was awesome this is the dawn of a new era for us all happiest man around trust me it was incredible xx
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-08 15:00:45
The fight wasnt close and Liam knows that and will come back stronger to beat Anuat IMO and ill have money on that bout again as i believe in our lb4lb.
Will Boyle
Posted: 2009-11-08 15:12:47
What a show. Absolutely top class. The fights lived up to and surpassed the hype not the best results in the International bouts, but the performances and technique displayed was, at times sublime.

Big thanks to Master Sken and all at Team MSA for putting on this event. Demonstrations/demo's were really entertaining and innovative.

Real honour to meet so many great fighters and nice guys. Andy Thrasher, Micheal Dicks and Jordan Watson are pretty sound lads and great ambassadors for our sport.

Our table, what a laugh, Russ, Sue, Darren great people with some sense of humour. Thank yous for making Danielle tired, she shut up a wee bit on the way home.

Russ was there not an Irish lad in the couples hmmmmmm, we all sound the same do we hahahaha.
Will Boyle
Posted: 2009-11-08 15:17:43
What a show. Absolutely top class. The fights lived up to and surpassed the hype not the best results in the International bouts, but the performances and technique displayed was, at times sublime.

Big thanks to Master Sken and all at Team MSA for putting on this event. Demonstrations/demo's were really entertaining and innovative.

Real honour to meet so many great fighters and nice guys. Andy Thrasher, Micheal Dicks and Jordan Watson are pretty sound lads and great ambassadors for our sport.

Our table, what a laugh, Russ, Sue, Darren great people with some sense of humour. Thank yous for making Danielle tired, she shut up a wee bit on the way home.

Russ was there not an Irish lad in the couples hmmmmmm, we all sound the same do we hahahaha.
Will Boyle
Posted: 2009-11-08 15:18:10
What a show. Absolutely top class. The fights lived up to and surpassed the hype not the best results in the International bouts, but the performances and technique displayed was, at times sublime.

Big thanks to Master Sken and all at Team MSA for putting on this event. Demonstrations/demo's were really entertaining and innovative.

Real honour to meet so many great fighters and nice guys. Andy Thrasher, Micheal Dicks and Jordan Watson are pretty sound lads and great ambassadors for our sport.

Our table, what a laugh, Russ, Sue, Paul great people with some sense of humour. Thank yous for making Danielle tired, she shut up a wee bit on the way home.

Russ was there not an Irish lad in the couples hmmmmmm, we all sound the same do we haha

Sorry Paul not darren, i'm tired.
Mr Smith
Posted: 2009-11-08 15:26:04
Well done to Master Sken and MSA promotions on a fantastic show. Every fight was great and it was well run, well organised and great to be a part of. Another great step upwards for Muay Thai in this country.

Jordan was fantastic and looked great against Stephen who is as tough as nails and has the heart of a lion.

As said above Andy is too tough for his own good he wanted to fight on and was gutted when we withdrew him. Rungravee hurt him early with very powerful kicks and it made the whole fight an uphill battle for him. Rungravee is very powerful and a superb fighter. Andy went out in a blaze of glory really taking the fight to Rungravee in round 3 who quite obviously didnt like it at all. If Andy hadnt shipped so much punishment early on I think he could have turned it round later in the fight but he was hurt and there was the potential for real injury so I pulled him out. Sorry mate.

Liams was a great fight and although it was close he was clearly outpointed. Sakedau just knew how to play the game and did what he needed to do to stay ahead and nullify Liams attacks. Although Liam landed some great punches he wasnt able to get his kicks off. It was a very impressive performance from both fighters. This was not just situation of doing very well against a better opponent - Liam was in the same league and fought great he just didnt manage to get through and pull it off this time.

Every time our fighters fight at this level I see ways that our training needs to be adapted and we will go back to the gym and work on what we have learned. Liam still gets better with each fight. The Thais are fighting at this level week in week out.

My next strategy is to bring Nigel Ashton over and get him to show me how its done since he seems to have all the answers. Clearly my main mistake has been teaching my fighers to kick punch knee and elbow rather than employ some mysterious tactics that only Nigel seem to be aware of.

Its a shame that he cant be arsed to use some of his incredible knowledge and insight to actually do something in the sport instead of just pontificating about it. Maybe we'd all be better off.

Has he considered that we go to Thailand and bring Thai trainers over to complement our teaching rather than dominate it. Our fighters have only started to have any success internationally in the past few years specifically because we have been training in Thailand.

Dekkers had his own style and tactics and sometimes they worked sometimes they didnt which you will find is the same with Liam, Andy, Jordan or any of the other top names in the UK.

Dekkers spent a lot of time training in Thailand and couldnt have done as well as he did without understanding Muay Thai. Him and Ronnie didnt come up with a secret strategy they were just special.

I'm looking into flights over to the Isle of Man for Liam to go and train with Nigel and gain from some of his vast knowledge although I might have a few problems pulling him away from me and Chanoy (who actually beat Dekkers ....... twice).
Posted: 2009-11-08 15:37:33
hahahahahah shite yeah sorry Will, 3 Scots and 1 Irish fella . never the less not enjoyed a nite at a show like that in a Long time Thank you , i wanted to stay with you lot rather than going back to Manchester, glutton for punishment that i am.

Dont know who gave me more stick out of the 3 women on OUR table .

Again QUALITY show
Posted: 2009-11-08 16:03:47
Absolutley brilliant show, best i have been to in 10 years in the sport, well done GMS and all at MSA (I booked my tickets late through Lauren @ Skens who was super efficient).

Fighters represented UK muay thai very well and make us all proud, at the end of the day its HOW you fight not the win thats important. Best possible advert for MT and its gonna be on shy!

Richard Smith, the fighters from your gym serve as an insperation to many in the UK, I aspire to your level as a trainer and think your " Smith System" is just fine!

Can`t wait for the next show!!
Posted: 2009-11-08 16:05:25
Do`h SKY!
The Crippler
Posted: 2009-11-08 16:12:44
Great fights!!!
I love Andy H (in a purely non sexual way) but think Richard showed why another reason those guys are top off the food chain by pulling him out.
Mr Howson, I have no doubt you would've fought until your leg fell off and even then would've tried to fight on!!!!!

On a training note, Thai's invented the sport & created the scoring system, their understanding of this system and ways to exploit it is 2nd to none.
IMO where other cultures may improve is within the training. As ‘westerners’ our understanding of strength & conditioning, nutrition, supplements & access to these facilities is one of our biggest advantages, yet I don’t think used to the maximum. As an athlete I was doing things 10yrs ago that are just about becoming mainstream!!!!
Looking forward to MEN.
Kelly Leach
Posted: 2009-11-08 16:20:06
Loving the YMCA guys... ha that will look class for sky :)

Sounds like and excellent show well done to all those that got in the ring to represent something they care about, you are the best of british and proud to say a few of you are from a little town called LEEDS x
Will Boyle
Posted: 2009-11-08 17:44:48
Forgot to say congrats to Ally Smith and Jordan. Two new British Champions, flying the flag for Scotland. Well done lads.

Sorry for the duplicate posts above, shit computer.

Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-09 02:48:36
Richard Smith credit to you and your fighters you are flying the flag for UK when it comes to top level UK fighters and have done for some time and a great coach may I add.

I have a famous saying "To teach is to learn, to learn is to teach" every event/fight is a new experience which both fighter and teacher will learn from.

Have always admired your honesty and adapatation when it comes to the fight game and your team are a credit to you and the UK :o)

Hmmm not sure about the Nigel Ashton strategy though lol.

Posted: 2009-11-09 04:42:50
Mr Smith

I note an interesting point you mentioned about Dekker. "He trained in Thailand a lot and couldn't have done as well without understanding MT." Yes, he understood it then tweaked his own game to beat it on many, many occasions. I think UK MT is so wrapped up in being EXACTLY like Thailand that a strategy beyond that is unthinkable. It's almost a train of thought of "If the Thai's don't do it then it's wrong" and because of that it restricts our guys

Not sure there is any secret mythical stance but this line out of your own comments is exactly what I am talking about

"Every time our fighters fight at this level I see ways that our training needs to be adapted and we will go back to the gym and work on what we have learned. Liam still gets better with each fight. The Thais are fighting at this level week in week out"

It's whether or not instructors just copy it or look at a way that within the MT rules and scoring criteria it can be beaten.

Dekker and Ronnie Green both where awesome but part of that was born out of just thinking outside the box.

I think we have guys now who can just be as awesome and no matter how much you may not like my point of view I still believe it is the mindset of the trainers that ulitmatley holds them back.
Mr Smith
Posted: 2009-11-09 05:08:28
Some trainers are good some are not - its not a general mindset. Muay Thai has to be used to beat Muay Thai you cant do something different and hope that it will result in a KO. There are a lot of different styles and tactics within Muay Thai. Every Thai fighter is different and employs different tactics to beat another - they dont all fight the same way. This includes the actual techniques used, how they pace the fight, the footwork that they use and much more.

Understanding this is the key not just copying what you see on TV or at a stadium. It has nothing to do with trying to be like the Thais.

None of the fighers that lost on saturday did so because they were trying to be like a Thai, they lost for many different reasons that you cant generalise.

I agree that we cant all punch like Anuwat or Kick like Sanchai but each fighter has his own strengths to develop.
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-09 05:28:09
You are both right with valid points.

The reason both Dekker and my dad were awesome is that they had an understanding of the thai way and also were able to "think outside the box" as you put it Nigel to out smart and beat the the thais.

It is all down to the individual and strategy. Whether a person has an off day or whether that strategy will work against one fighter and not another.

Adaptation is the key which is somthing that both Dekker and my dad were able to do in order to win

liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-09 05:48:12
dekker lost just as many as he won against the thais, look how many losses the best fighter on the plnet has got on his record...i think 80loss from 300 fights (saenchai) stop talking comnplete wank nigel
stevie nisbet
Posted: 2009-11-09 05:52:55
Decker did a seminar in Glasgow a couple of years ago, now i may be wrong but I'm sure that he was asked how much training he did in Thailand and his answer was None!!
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-09 06:08:21
Your right Liam and you can learn alot more in defeat than you can from winning.

What makes a great fighter and champion like yourslef is the ability to get back in there and strive to improve and move forward by taking on the best.

Your rematch with Anuwat will be awesome cant wait!! :o)

Well done on saturday by the way.

Posted: 2009-11-09 06:08:30
we asked him in Leeds afew years back how much running he did + he said none jst pads,pads,pads
Posted: 2009-11-09 06:56:05
Take this in please none us who read this can fight like Liam,Andy or Dicks etc we are not at that level so lets do this simple thing and admire them not say "what i would have done is" etc come one they are fighting THE best Thailand can send really and losing to the best is no shame,enjoy them while you can its a short career as must of us know.
Dekker is,was a legend in our sport but he lost to the top level mostly because they had a plans for him,Cherry was ko,d but in rematch kneed him to death,even still he was brilliant still watch him now (loving the moustache)Jomhod teeped him when he set his feet to punch and my point is so what it was ace!!!! as is whats going on now,listen Storey lost but he won the dance off i admire him and so did the crowd.
Richard smith does a great job investing money in thai coaches such as Chanoy etc because he wants the best for his gym,thing is if Liam has won what would people say then? the fighters that are beating thais,Kulebin,Villaume,Petrosyan fight Thai way it works for them,each to their i reckon but i just want us to see the bigger picture i have never seen so many happy faces at a show more so mine lol xx
Thakoon watched both Liam and Andy on youtube this shows that he rates them and had strategy whats it says to me is a man of that level of knowledge is thinking "lets take these serious" the ultimate compliment this was a brilliant show and i loved every second of it thanks sorry to ramble xx

Posted: 2009-11-09 06:58:31
Excellent show with World class fights. Its as Lee said those fighters can learn from defeat. Liam, Andy, Michael and Andy T fought real World Class opponents, some of the best in the business without doubt.

Looking forward to the MEN show. We keep saying how Thai Boxing should be ahead of UFC ect and that we need to push the sport. I heard Neil say at a UKMF meeting with Paul Hamilton that UFC sold a million pay per view in twenty four hours and that we should be able to do that.

Well now is our chance to stop bickering and really try and get the sport seen the way we want it seen. Everyone come together and make the MEN arena a sell out. 25,000 People creating a real atmosphere on sky TV, well i reckon that could be a massive step in the right direction.

Also i have just entered Master Sken into next years Strictly come dancing.

Zorro X
Mr Smith
Posted: 2009-11-09 07:23:05
Lee - you are right but your Dad and Dekkers didn't have one strategy that they akways used to when they fought a Thai they used the tactics that they needed to fight the person in front of them whether they were Thai or not.

Sometimes that strategy and their own style and skills worked, sometimes it didn't. They still used Muay Thai style and techniques.

Real understanding of MT has onky come in the UK recenyly and look at the growth in the standard or fighters and promotions in that short time. Give it a few years and I think it will get even better as the depth of experience that we have increases.

I agree with what you say about fighters increasing their exriencce on the amateur circuit to a certain extent but so far in the UK there hasn't really been a fully developed amateur circuit and no funding. Countries like Belarus have government backing and funding so can send their fighters all over the world. And guess where they go ..... Thailand!
robin shepherd
Posted: 2009-11-09 09:59:49
agree mr smith, i have been to amature shows where there is no purse,no expense,no ticket commision because its amature.and im talking for the headline bout!
and i totaly agree that strategy is important in beating thais...its important in beating ANYONE!
Posted: 2009-11-09 10:45:22
awesome show and it was a real treat to commentate alongside the legendary Vinsters, maybe one day someone will bake me a pie with my name on too :p
can't believe we didn't recognise Kamel Jemel though mate lol
some real talent on display, particularly the two Jordan's that I think will prove that all the hard work that people are doing to get judging etc... in line with Thai way is the way to go, when they go on to beat top Thai's the Thai way in the future
great to meet up with a lot of old faces and make a few new friends too, thanks again to promotions team for having me over.
Posted: 2009-11-09 11:14:16
and that suit was really fashionable, back when my grandad bought it :P
Posted: 2009-11-09 11:26:38
Two things occur to me as I read these fascinating posts and they are:

1.Britain has originated many sports which are played by individuals and teams but it can be argued that currently we are not considered world leaders. There are countries which have developed the national sports of other countries to a much higher level of excellence and certainly don't feel the necessity to use a standard model. They adapt and subsequently inspire.

2. Does British/European temperament sometimes impede success when competing against Thais? Very different cultures. This is apparent in international football when Brits play against the cultured skills of other Europeans or the South Americas. Our "grit" isn't always enough.
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:08:14
Rob cox knows sorry i never said bye,Thai can fight but the dance off in the bar...we wasted em,lovely people brilliant time xx and the ring girls are mates of Dan greens and yes they was beautiful xx
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:28:56
I agree 100% with you Richard on both counts and thats exactly what I said.

"It is all down to the individual and strategy. Whether a person has an off day or whether that strategy will work against one fighter and not another."

Its all about Adpatation and being able to adapt when necessarry to the person in front of you.

And with regards to the amatuer circuit again I agree with that too in relation to the circuit and other countries getting funding. Something I and others are working hard to get. I was purely pointing out the fact that the more experience you get be it amateur or Pro the better you will be. Where as some people think amateur has "no use a stepping stone to pro as the rules are so different as is the scoring" I totally disagree as all experience is valid and Kulebin and the eastern block countries are a prime example of that.

And yes Robin I have been one of those people fighting on one of those shows.
Strategy and adaptation a key elements to beating anyone as I said also.
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:29:32
I nearly wrote i love Cox,s lol Rob was brilliant learn,t loads from him and he is really funny too,really hope everyone watches and enjoys it as much as i did because i was bouncing about,was i calm...nope lol but its my job to inject energy,Rob thank you for the fun it was also to Pete spensley who did another great job.....Kevin harper returns...v Woodsy 2010 M.E.N XX
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:42:30
I agree with Damien, Vinny and others, this was the best show I have been to for quite some time. A really outstanding show and a great showcase for the sport, not just for the UK Muay Thai scene but for Muay Thai full stop. The fights couldn't have been more exciting and everyone who contributed in any way should be congratulated. There always have to be individual winners and losers but the sport definitely won this weekend. Well done to everyone involved: promoters Master Sken and Dan, MC, officials, commentary team, coaches but most of all the fighters.

There were some excellent displays of skill and courage. The future looks bright for UK Muay Thai, some outstanding performances from our boxers, win or lose all contributed to a great afternoon and evening. I was impressed by the skills demonstrated as well as the courage shown, but particularly skills shown by our developing young boxers. I agree with Richard and Rob that we are 100% right to continue to judge, officiate and train in line with Thai way. I really feel that if the development of UK Muay Thai skills continues at the same rate it has done in recent times, it won't be that long before we have a number of boxers here in the UK who will have the skills to beat top Thais at Muay Thai- as opposed to a modification of it designed to ensure we win.

Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:42:46
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:45:36
well vinny all these kisses you giving these boys and telling me I smelt good at backstreet bralwers show people will start talikng ;o) x
Posted: 2009-11-09 12:49:24
Well Done to Master Sken on what i believe was a fantastic show,unfortunitley i couldnt make it to the show but every UK fighter was in mind yesterday, master sken you have put so much into the sport over the years and have produced oppertunities for some very worthy fighters in the UK, i myself and im sure many others too would like to say Thankyou, (1) for introducing this wonderful sport to us in the UK and (2) for sticking with us and continueing to produce promotions like sundays.
Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-09 14:49:25

How about a couple of taster pictures to remind you of the action.

First up, Jordan Calder V Anthony Shelton

Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-09 14:50:09

Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-09 15:10:00
Sorry, I started a new thread for images so it doesn't break the conversation in here. :o)
Posted: 2009-11-09 17:22:48
We need to look long term here.

It is really only recently that the sport has taken off somewhat, although it is still very much 'cult' compared to what it can become.

A few years down the line, when our top fighters of today have their own gyms and have the relevant experience to teach the sport to the highest level, iss when we will start seeing a difference in not just a handful of UK fighters being able to take on the top Thais and give them a fight, but many UK fighters will be able to do this.

This is simply because there are more fighting now that are doing it the right way, as proven by their ability win or lose (as is the norm in this sport), that these individuals then pass on their knowledge to another ten individuals each, for example, and it spirals from there.

Now is really only the beginning imo.

Paul Lund
Posted: 2009-11-09 17:56:14
Gutted i missed this show making sure i dont miss the next one just booked tickets for the MEN hope Liam Harrison is on the bill to give support awesome fighter Lundy
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2009-11-10 01:04:52
Thanks Basil da fox
for brining this back on tpoic and

'To Beat A Thai? Is To Train Like A????'

Posted: 2009-11-10 01:39:40
NMT writes:
Your mad Sandy
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-10 02:05:56
lol Sandy are you talking to yourself again ;o)
Posted: 2009-11-10 02:58:54
HI we are now representives for Lee Coville, Lee has told us to say that he wished he had been at the show and hopefully in the future he will be appearing on one of these great events,well done to everyone, Lee has read this article with interest and asked us to tell you that he trains with Dekker and has been now for many years when he is in Europe, Ramon told him he never trained at any Thai camps ever, Cor never wanted him to go to any and he did not need to as Cors training was enough, on may occasions when he fought in Thailand he trained at the hotel, also he did not trust the Thai way of training, Cor never had a Thai trainer also or trained in Thailand as with many other Dutch Fighters both from the Golden Glory teams and Super8. Very rarely will you see Dutch Fighters in Thailand. Only those not under certain management or no management .When i went to Holland one thing i noticed was that The Dutch do it there way and do not try and be Thai for sure, they dont walk around with amulets from Thailand etc they are just the same as normal guys and dont try to be Masters etc,very rarely you will see Ram Muay, when i train at Dekkers you go in shadow box train etc and get on with it, no bowing or master this master that, its just like a boxing gym, they are just normal blokes, i think some try too hard to be Thai, and do not develop there own style. The Thais know their game very well and to beat them you need to fight in a unorthodox way.
Please address any contact to thanks Mark Merle
Posted: 2009-11-10 03:01:13
HI we are now representives for Lee Coville, Lee has told us to say that he wished he had been at the show and hopefully in the future he will be appearing on one of these great events,well done to everyone, Lee has read this article with interest and asked us to tell you that he trains with Dekker and has been now for many years when he is in Europe, Ramon told him he never trained at any Thai camps ever, Cor never wanted him to go to any and he did not need to as Cors training was enough, on may occasions when he fought in Thailand he trained at the hotel, also he did not trust the Thai way of training, Cor never had a Thai trainer also or trained in Thailand as with many other Dutch Fighters both from the Golden Glory teams and Super8. Very rarely will you see Dutch Fighters in Thailand. Only those not under certain management or no management .When i went to Holland one thing i noticed was that The Dutch do it there way and dont try and be Thai for sure, they do not walk around with amulets from Thailand etc they are just the same as normal guys and do not try to be Masters etc,very rarely you will see Ram Muay, when i train at Dekkers you go in shadow box train etc and get on with it, no bowing or master this master that, its just like a boxing gym, they are just normal blokes, i think some try too hard to be Thai, and dont develop there own style. The Thais know their game very well and to beat them you need to fight in a unorthodox way.
Please address any contact to thanks Mark Merle
The Crippler
Posted: 2009-11-10 03:37:43
I read this thread with interest because I am very much into training & training methods.
Nige, could I ask what you believe we (as non Thais) should be doing? I ask this with all seriousness.

As a top level fighter your training regime can be VERY personalised and in the main, fighters will have a weapon that works very well for them.
Biomechanics, mentality, intelligence, heart, ect these things will all play a role in how you fight and how you good you are/will be..... Genetics for the most part!! You can train to improve most things (speed, power, punch resistance etc) but you will always be limited by your genetics……. However it’s the coaches job to adapt to these ‘limitations’ and develop the fighter to his/her strengths.

The fact is Muay Thai scoring is Muay Thai scoring, if you knock someone out then fair play but you still need to have an eye on the judges.
As a fighter you need to be able to adapt to you opponent plus impose your will upon them. A fighters strengths can also become their weakness with the right tactics?
The Crippler
Posted: 2009-11-10 03:43:38
How or why did K1 come about? Although it was created in Japan and based around Karate/kickboxing? I would say many westerners (bigger guys!) are better suited to this style and I thought this is where many of the Dutch/French fighters look to go?
Don’t shot me, just expanding my knowledge!
Posted: 2009-11-10 04:02:24
K1 was developed so japanese fighters could win against top thai's.
Essentially a stand-up MMA game. Karate, Kickboxing, Kempo etc....
K1 is judged on heart and aggression, and if we changed the "rules" then we would just end up breeding a load of tough guys, who cant fight MT.

In Thailand, each fighter gets (av) 6hrs training PER DAY....At least 2 or 3hrs 1-on-1 with an ex-stadium champion with experience of over a couple of hundred fights.

The fighters who are doing well, can develop the fitness levels and explosive nature, but the technique/experience is what we appear to be lacking. This is one of the reasons why several gyms in the UK has brought over Thai trainers to develop people in their gym; And why sooo many people travel over to Thailand every year.

To cross-over experience from other sports..... why are Russians so good at chess?
Do you have to change the rules of chess so someone else can win?

Its NOT just Thai's....its the elite level Thai's we are competing against.
Just because someone is Thai, doesnt mean they are unbeatable.
Thats just racial stereo-typing.
The Crippler
Posted: 2009-11-10 04:18:43
Nice Rich, thats what I thought.
Posted: 2009-11-10 04:20:03
Maybe there's nothing wrong with the training, it's the match-ups? The three Thais fighting were all top level who fight pretty much every month. It's clear there is no one outside of Thailand who can beat Saenchai. The same is arguably true for the other Thais fighting.

Sure there may have been times when ppl have beaten decent Thais in the UK, however I would argue that there is no 59kg or less fighter in the UK, Canada, US or Aust who could beat a ranked Thai in Thailand. Thais fighting overseas often don't train so hard or take the fight as seriously. They are also generally fighting above their normal weight. It's interesting that everybody talks of the importance of 'Thai style' but weights are rarely mentioned.

Maybe UK fighters need to fight lesser opponents and not necessarily Thais? It seems we're being a bit hard on ourselves and putting too much pressure on the fighters.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-10 04:23:34
to be honest when the thais come over and fight a bit heavier i reckon they are stronger cos there not all bleached down and horrible when they fight at stadiums alot of them are proper fucked on the mornings and only have 12 hours to replenish, saenchai is very strong at 60-62kg imo alot ore so than he is at 57when hes boiled down.
Posted: 2009-11-10 04:42:30
Liam, that's very true, apparently there is no money for the Thai above 130 pnds so they don't really have a choice.

When the Thais come over they are treated well, both in and out of the ring. When the fight in Europe this isn't the case and the rules/scoring is different.

When they fight in Japan the rules/scoring are different, so you can see how Japanese could win. Australia has good fighters, but it's very rare that top Thais will fight there.

So I'm not sure there's a problem with the training, just that we're expecting too much from the fighters.

Rather than look at Dekker, what about the eastern Europeans? They are very good at pure MT and don't train in Thailand, but they fight often. Their amateur scene is very professional ; )

Up until a few years ago Artur Kyshenko was still competing at the IFMA's.
Posted: 2009-11-10 05:18:21
Dekker was exceptional in power terms i too have a friend who trains with Ramon and says his power is incredible,people who beat Thais at top level are special,Green,Villaume,Harrison all trained in Thailand people are people and special is special like Ronnie,but the best well up until now was Danny Bille who again fought Thai way,loads who don,t have beaten thais,i think this topic wouldn,t have came up if Liam and Andy had won,but its interesting seeing others views.
Bille is regarded by Thais as the best according to Rob cox i,d agree he played the game very well,Dekker is a legend as is Ronnie,like i stated enjoy them because they all retire,the sports in good health lets keep it healthy x
Posted: 2009-11-10 05:22:23
I think we have also missed out the FULL para-phrase....

Train like a Thai..... FIGHT LIKE A THAI

In the west we generally fight maybe 10-times a year (and thats busy!!!!)

In Thailand, fighters will maybe fight once a month at the stadium, but also fight out in the provinces/show fights etc just for the ring time.
This then builds up about 30-fights a year.
Theres no substitute for experience.

Everyone is too harsh on people about losses, rather than enjoying the sport.
Do people analyse the rules of football if you lose a game?
Do people analyse the rules of pool if you lose a game of pool?
So what makes muay thai any different? Sure you'll look for reasons for the loss and how to improve their own gameplan.
Posted: 2009-11-10 06:10:29
Sawatdee Khrup!

An article I wrote for Fighters 3 1/2 years ago:


By Kru Shaun Boland

“There are basically two types of people. People who accomplish things and people who claim to have accomplished things. The first group is less crowded.”
Mark Twain

Through recent media popularity, either via the K1 & UFC tournaments or more flamboyantly through films such as ‘Ong Bak’ and ‘Beautiful boxer’, Muay Thai is receiving international exposure. Its reputation as a devastatingly tough and tenacious martial art is gaining momentum. However, more times than none what we are seeing at these tournaments and certainly in the films, is not ‘Muay Thai’. Muay Thai has been diluted to suit the tournament rules and/or the film audience. We see this locally at our own ‘Muay Thai’ tournaments through ‘C’ or ‘B’ class fights that do not allow elbows or knees to the face. Full rules Muay Thai is 5 x 3 minute rounds with 2 minute breaks and the Nak Muay (boxer) can kick, punch, knee and elbow with full power anywhere on their opponents body or head, the only area not allowed is the groin. Watering down of the rules is akin to saying that no head shots are allowed in western boxing, or that ‘groundwork’ is not allowed in Judo tournaments. The Thais fight full rules from their very first fight, no restrictions and no dilutions. Amateur Thai boxing, where head gear, shin pads, elbow pads and body armour is worn, is becoming more popular in Thailand and the West. Full rules are used and this is certainly the way forward for any acceptance towards the Olympic Games which is the aim for the relevant governing bodies. So why do we lessen the rounds and why do we restrict/dilute the rules of Muay Thai? The answers to my questions have been varied but the general feel is that, for one, most westerners work full time and training is done for a few hours every evening, unlike the Thais who live and train, eat and sleep on their respective camps. A Westerner may have up to 5 or 6 fights a year if he is really pro-active, whereas the Thai will have 15- 20. Shorter rounds therefore make it more acceptable for our training regimes, not having elbows and knees to the head means that, for most of the time, we can return relatively undamaged to work the next week.
There are however, plenty of fighters, here in the west, that fight full rules and they’re pretty good at it too. They hold down full time jobs and still manage to train 6 days a week. The ones that are top of their field are the ones that travel to Thailand and train with the Thais.

The Thais attitude, personality and views are so much different than our own and this provides them with the catalyst to develop into the tough fighters that they are. Thai fighters do not generally have the luxuries, resources and financial securities that Westerners have. Their lifestyle is that much tougher and therefore they cope better with the hardships of training than we in the West do. Their general attitude is to live for the day and to have fun (Sanuk). This in no way means that they are irresponsible as their commitment to their family, their teacher (Kru) and their King and country is legendary.

At a Kiat Muay (boxing camp) the Thai will train twice a day, early morning and evening. Each camp has its own syllabus but generally most fighters will start their day at 6.30 am with a 5-8km run followed by skipping and shadow boxing. Pad work, bag work and techniques follows and this routine is repeated in the evening around 4.30pm. Training is for around 3 hours each session and can be 7 days a week. So already by sheer workload the Thai will be that more efficient. Their diet is good too, the Thais love food and tend to snack eat through most of the day with one main meal in the evening. Rice and noodles provide the necessary carbohydrates for their muscle endurance.
When you have little in the way of luxuries you do not have a sense of detachment or missing from them when you commit your time to arduous training regimes. Such is the way with the Thais; their ‘hardier’ life styles are similar to that of the Mexican boxers, which forges them into the tough fighters that they are.
So you can already see that in addition to commitment, focus, tenacity and endurance, it is attitude that can make the difference between good and great.

One of the Thais greatest attributes though is heart; the language of the ‘proverbial’ heart provides a place of central importance for the Thai.
In Thai the heart is called‘JAI’. The Thais have many metaphors for ‘Jai’ which I touched upon in a previous article of mine called ‘Heart’. For the Nak Muay some of these heart metaphors are indispensable;

• ‘Jai Khem Keng’ (strong heart)
When you believe strongly in yourself then you have Jai khem keng’. If you are in the Army and on the front line and you have been given the order to advance against the enemy, you better have a strong heart or ‘Jai khem keng’. The concept is strength and commitment in oneself come from the heart and success arises from those who possess a strong heart.
• ‘Kamlang Jai (Strength heart)
A person who feels a sense of accomplishment or success possesses ‘Kamlang jai’. The girl who wins the beauty contest or the football player who does well in a game also has ‘Kamlang jai’. After an argument, when one person apologises, then one or both involved will have ‘Kamlang jai’.
• ‘Jai Yen’ (cool heart)
This is the Thai equivalent of a stiff upper lip in the face of adversity or provocation. A person may have suffered an emotional set back or disruption but he or she is able to feel (or give the appearance of feeling) collected and cool emotionally in the face of the problem.
(The above descriptions were taken from the book ‘Heart Talk’ by Christopher G. Moore White Lotus books, Bangkok, ISBN 974-8495-60-4).

More and more Westerners are travelling to Thailand to train in the various camps in Thailand. Commitment and heart are there too, I have seen many ‘farangs’ (foreigners) train their ‘hearts’ out. Some fight on the local shows and some are successful.

More and more camps are accepting westerners to train in Muay Thai and, as well as promoting their art internationally, it also brings in richly deserved income for the relevant camps.

When training at a Kiat Muay the Thais are looking for commitment and, as I stated earlier, heart. Some westerners just pop in for a workout as ‘tourists’ some just train for a couple of days. Basically you get out what you put in; the Thai trainer will take you through the rudiments and give you a damn good pad workout, however if you want to truly learn the art of Muay Thai you need to show dedication, you need turn up morning and evening, day in day out.

To truly understand any martial art you need to go to its roots, to seek out the culture behind the art and this is no more so than training Muay Thai in Thailand, training with the Thais, training like a Thai.

However, in order to fight like a Thai, you not only need to train like a Thai but you also need to eat, sleep and above all ‘think’ like a Thai

“I haven't failed. I've found 10,000 ways that don't work”
Thomas Edison (1847-1931)


Posted: 2009-11-10 06:11:23
Noi, this is very true, especially about being harsh about losses and the experience. I'm worried the UK is painting itself into a corner by always bringing the best and having huge shows.

Even ranked Thais will fight in a village fair at times, maybe it's their hometown or their doing someone a favor.

All Thais are fed a diet of fights on short notice, different weights and having little if any knowledge of their opponent. They will do this for 50+ fights before hitting Bangkok.

It's not about training, it's about the fights and there's plenty to be had in Thailand, plenty from the UK train there, but don't fight so often. Why?
Posted: 2009-11-10 06:20:49
Since trainers have started bringing Thais over to their gyms to train their fighters, have they noticed a marked difference in that fighters ability that would otherwise not have happened?
Posted: 2009-11-10 07:25:03
In response to crippler. I think the single most important thing we should do is return boxing to the forefront of our game. In the early days boxing was very successful for the UK fighters but dwindled away when word got out that "Boxing doesn't score as well" which turns out to be a load of nonsense.

See, there lies a good point. The Thais didn't use boxing that much so we stopped doing it? Why....? Because the Thais didn't. So we took away a piece of our own game to be like them!! Who's going to deny we are trying to be like the Thai's now

Interesting to see Dekker never trained with the Thais and instead of a trip to Thailand would it not be best for a trip to Holland. I hate all the bowing that goes on and never ever do it unless I see Master Sken. I do this because that is his culture and then we shake hands which is my culture.

Getting the Thai trainers over in the UK isn't going to make us beat the Thai's it's going to make us like them. The whole point of my original question was based on that. What can the trainers do to get around the Thai's clever way of fighting. Do we for example adapt a more western style type of boxing in MT where our boxing becomes clean, effective and flowing or de we still try and punch from a Thai stance which I don't think is effective at all. And before anyone says "Yeah but he might he you with this and that" So find away round it.

I don't think training with the Thais is a waste of time but if I was training someone at that level they would never even see the inside of a Thai camp. Then when the fight came along the Thai would be just as disadvantaged as the next guy wondering what might happen. Instead of "Oh my mate down the road taught him to ..............." I know what to expect

There is no right or wrong answer in all this but I think the whole "Thai thing" is a fashion.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-10 07:51:47
nigel your goin on like no one ever beats them??? Wakeling, Keddle, Trainor, Harper Howson myself ahve all beaten top thais, in the last 3 years i have fought 7 or 8 ranked fighters or champions and 2 boxers of the year iv won 4 and lost 4, your goin on like no one has or ever will beat them, and the lets go to holland thing you said was plain ridiculous, Dekker was given a gift from god and that was a granite chin and dynamite in both hands, obviously he was more than that but not every fighter can punch like him so they have to change different aspects of there game like clinching, adding a bit of trickery etc etc...when i9 go train in thailand they dont try change my style to theres, theres no such thing as a THAI STYLE, all thai fighters fight different,you got bangers, clinchers technical fighters etc
Posted: 2009-11-10 08:00:15
Danny Hendles beat 3
Posted: 2009-11-10 08:04:24
We beat them at dancing...Owwwweeeee xx
liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-10 08:11:23
you defo showed em some moves rubberhips....Saenchai got MJ'd all over that dance floor, if i had fought him as good as i danced him off i would have won 50-45 on points or even TKO, x
Posted: 2009-11-10 08:13:27
They asked for like the UK...train like the Uk xx
Raymond Bennett
Posted: 2009-11-10 08:31:32
Perhaps a bit of perspective, if you look at how many professional fighters there are in Thailand vs UK, then the achievement of UK fighters is perhaps a lot better than it should be statistically.
Maybe the top Thais are better because they are the cream of a lot bigger sample of fighters.

Posted: 2009-11-10 08:49:27
Agree totally with Raymond x
Liam R
Posted: 2009-11-10 09:22:40
Master Sken would have moonwalked you all over, best Jacko impression in UKMT, Liams is good but Master Sken was sober so its a unanimous victory lol. Danceoff rematch to man in the mirror (liams pb)
Posted: 2009-11-10 10:01:28
My personal opinion is this:-

I tend to agree with Nigel on the part of training to beat a fighter, not train to fight like him...In the way that any fighter be them a boxer or MMA fighter etc would train to beat an opponent by recognising their skills and weaknesses and then training and fighting in a manner in which to beat that person.

However that is specific to that type of opponent. Training in general terms means that you need to be on top of your game and realistically you need to be well rounded in all aspects of your style to be able to compete at a top level consistently.

Where there may have been issues over the years is in the way that the likes of Dekkers fought as well as other fighters from the same era. People say that the dutch style is typically 1,2,lowkick etc...Although taking away the piss take element of that summary the dutch did have a style, like many have mentioned where boxing was and still is a big part. I have trained (in a seminar) with Dekkers and seen the dvd's of his training / fighting and do agree that the dutch have their own style of Thai Boxing which has been extremely succesful over the years. So this would tie in with what Nigel says when he says you don't need to train like a thai to beat one......

However.......(and herein may lie the issue).......

If you watch the Dekker DVD interview there was a few times where it is mentioned that Ramon and Cor and the dutch team thought that Ramon had won a fight but the decision was given to the Thai...Everyone knows that this happens a lot and from my own experience of trips to Thailand where I have trained and spectated in the sport I have seen many fights where the decision is awarded to a fighter that 'I' thought had lost...
This brings into question the whole debate about knowing the scoring system and understanding what is required in any one fight to win.

I believe that MT in this country has come on in leaps and bounds in the last ten years due to a better understanding of the rules and also because the world is a smaller place and it is becoming easier for people to train in Thailand or for people to bring the Thais over to train us here.
For westerners to be able to beat Thais (on points) we need to understand what scores and also what needs to be done in a fight to be able to secure a points win...This is where we need to train like a Thai to beat a Thai.

I would be interested to know how many fights Dekker had against Thais, how many of those he won and then how were they won......I would imagine that a large majority of the ones he won were by KO.

In summary (cos love to ramble)

To beat a Thai on points you need to know how the fight is scored and I think this is where the 'Train like a Thai to beat a Thai' comes in....If we could win them all by KO then train however you want...


Posted: 2009-11-10 10:19:49
Dear All
Firstly I would like to express my thanks to everyone who participated in the show.It was not only me who made this special show possible, but also everyone at MSA HQ Stockport.They are my wife Kay,Nigel Karpowicz,Paul Karpowicz,Lauren Karpowicz,Billy Hatton, Matt Thomas, Jason Powell and Eric Darricarere plus helpers from the Academy.
Dan Green-Director of Shows/Promotions was so helpfull with TV production(Euroscope) and helped to make the show running smoothly.Many thanks Dan.

Our partners and dear freinds Dr.Swee Lip Quek and his Wife Dr.Fui Mee Quek are giving us their vital support with time,energy and finance.We are so appreciated with their kind investing in us.They help us to make our dream come true and great future for Muay Thai.
Laura Doyle was brilliant with co-ordinating and helping with the show, her support was so value and much appreciated.

I would like to thank to all trainers, fighters,officials,UKMF and WMC officials, Rob Cox, Ralph Beale,Paul Hamilton, Neil Harrison, Dave Croft,Louis Mechia,Thakoon Pongsupa,Tony Myers and Stephan Fox.They all worked with me very closely.

I am so pleased with the show and I enjoyed every moment of it.I am glad Liam R likes my Moon Walk,relax and fun.Chloe Bruce was brilliant as usual.It was an honour to have Grand Master Anthony Wee gave a short and impressive demonstration his extraordinary CHI.

All our UK fighters have nothing to lose, every fights you can learn from them, then train harder and wiser.They have beaten Thai fighters before,no shame in losing this fight.Saenchai is a legend, Sakeddao, Rungravee and Kulebin are acceptional fighters and World Class!

However I always believe in our own UK fighters for example:Liam,Andy,Michael, Panicos, Andy T, Damien,Rob,Stephen M,Rung, Jodan C,Jordan W, Ally, Tim T, James F, Lee C,Liam R,Dean J and many more... They are excellent fighters and people,keep up good works and training.My advise is to learn about yourself(strenght and weaknesses)thus you will understand your opponent and spend real time to study your opponent's very wisely,carefully and professionally.
We will be working together many years to come.

All trainers were so cooperative and once again thank you to you all.
Finally many thanks to all spectators, who travalled from all corners of UK.
You all are great supporters.I hope you all will support our shows at M.E.N.Arena Saturday 27th March 2010 and Saturday 29th May 2010 at EXCEL,LONDON.
It will be very exciting year for everyone and it's great year for Muay Thai.
All my best wishes to all,if I will not see you.
MSA team and I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year.

Posted: 2009-11-10 10:45:48
I must also mentioned Stephen Wakeling,David P, Michael W,Paul K,Eric d,John D,Marc B,Di Paolo, Greg W,Daiton J,Alex,Imran,Daniel H, Sean W,Ant, Frankie H,Leroy M,Kevin H,Neil W,Rick B,Steven/Richard J,K Star fighters,list goes on...Sorry if I missed anyone, we certainly have many good fighters and new generation/young boys and girls fighters in UK.
We also have many outstanding Ladies fighters, that we can be proud off.

Posted: 2009-11-10 11:01:25
It will be here soon enough...can,t wait x
chris podesta
Posted: 2009-11-10 11:09:03
ill be there for sure.
Posted: 2009-11-10 13:44:48

onwards & upwards
Posted: 2009-11-10 15:40:28
What time will the show at the M.E.N start ... in the afternoon again or evening ???....... Lookin at tickets and hotels now
Posted: 2009-11-10 15:42:55
lol at the way this thread has turned out.

lol at negativity after one of the biggest and best Muay Thai shows ever in the UK.

lol at people complaining about the matchups being too competitive?!

lol at comparisons to Dutch fighters who bring Thai's over to fight on their shows but won't fight full rules.

lol at someone sat at a keyboard telling the best fighter in Europe and one of the best in the world how to fight.

lol at someone sat at a keyboard telling a trainer of multiple British, European and World Champions how to train fighters properly.

and a massive lol at that post fight picture of Rungravee. Look at that scowl he looks like a proper little maniac, did he do any dancing or did he just mean mug everyone all night and deck every doorman in Manchester?
Posted: 2009-11-10 16:04:11

he smiled a few times lol
Posted: 2009-11-10 16:13:02
Osta...his scowl was scary trust me,love the post too x
Posted: 2009-11-10 16:13:46

ticket master says 17.45 ?????

but not 100% sure

Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-10 17:18:34
lol @ Osta's post. Great stuff!
Posted: 2009-11-10 17:20:56
Rob and Vinny clothes swap!
liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-10 17:31:54
he was too busy falling all over th place after the 27 sambucas we forced down his neck haha
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2009-11-10 17:39:04
All the fighters fought brilliantly and gave their all...

What the Thais dont realise is that there was so much more at Stake for some of the British fighters than there was for the Thai Team

Andy Howson has now got to get a little tattoo done and I am sure he will be happy to show you all when its done

Long live "Team Scandal"


Posted: 2009-11-10 18:16:30
Heres how to beat Thais.....sambucca lol xx
Posted: 2009-11-11 02:16:07
I'm going up to Leeds to see them today, so I thnk I should make sure Andy gets that tattoo done ;-)
the bird is the word
Posted: 2009-11-11 03:31:20
brilliant show, to bw honest, the demo arent going to attract more people, people want to see the fights, (not a personal attack mine and a lot of people that would agree with me wheter you admit or not)

wakeling vs yod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well done to andy howson he really is lord of war, showed heart even though is leg was smashed

Posted: 2009-11-11 03:48:10
Rungrawee's face shows no fear, apart from when you mention Sambuca
Posted: 2009-11-11 07:36:05
i was out the front when rungrawee and saenchai got back to the hotel. they fell out of the taxi and were laughing their arses off! then rungraweee smoked about 90 tabs on the spot before getting a bit confused with the lift and going to bed.
saenchai drunk a ridiculous amount of sambuca in the sports bar, i think everyone in there bought him a shot.
Posted: 2009-11-11 10:18:04
Just some of the words used to describe this amazing event.
“Awesome…simply brilliant show. Fighting was of fantastic quality”

“One of the biggest and best Muay Thai shows ever in the UK”

You can watch the 90 minute highlight show for yourself on Sky Sports as follows:

Sky Sports 3 Digital 9 December 09 10pm

Sky Sports 3 Digital 10 December 09 1.30am

Sky Sports 2 Digital 10 December 09 11am

Sky Sports 2 Digital 10 December 09 4pm

Posted: 2009-11-11 10:49:40
Will there be a dvd on sale of the show?
Posted: 2009-11-11 12:56:25
Hi beaty
Yes there will be Show DVD,we will let you know when it will be released.

Many thanks for your kind comment.Muay Thai needs all of us to work together.I can not do this alone, as I mentioned on this thread before we all are so important to create very good future for Muay Thai.I am a great believer"Action is louder than words" or "THINK, BELIEVE, TAKE ACTION, BECOME".
anne quinlan
Posted: 2009-11-11 14:29:07
Awesome… Show, Well done to everyone involved, best show i have been to for ages , just loved it. Big thank you Master Sken, kay , ... liked your demo .. can you teach me to moonwalk ?
Posted: 2009-11-11 15:09:34
Any time Ann,it's our pleasure,yes... a lesson on Moon Walk haha.
Posted: 2009-11-12 02:43:22
Are MSA cutting the footage to what they want then sending it to Sky or are Sky having the whole lot and deciding on the edit themselves?
Lee Green
Posted: 2009-11-12 03:01:58
Great to see you Anne as always and likewise best show i've been to in ages thanks Master Sken.
Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-12 05:36:34
Brian, if you have sources in Sky who told you that, then they came through much quicker than mine! :o)

Cheers mate - got it in my Google calendar as a reminder now.
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-11-12 05:56:16
My First Post since the show!

Pity the thread digressed a little there but hopefully it's back on track and collectively we can all look back with fond memories on what was both an EXCEPTIONAL show and a turning point for UK Muay Thai.

What a show it was too, great venue, great audience, great demos and GREAT fights, what more could anyone ask for?

I must give a huge heartfelt thanks to Grand Master Sken and Dan Green for giving me the opportunity to present in front of such a big audience and with the added excitement of being filmed for Sky tv, you made one MC a very happy man.

I could go on and on and tell each of the fighters how inspiring they were but it would simply take too long.

I'll surmise by saying well done to everyone involved, from the fighters, corners and coaches to the event staff who were fabulous, the production crew, the showbiz (ie Vinny, Rob & Flic) and finally the promoters Grand Master Sken and Dan Green.

What is frightening is that last Saturday's show is likely to be the smallest event on the MSA caledar.

Finally, it was great to meet so many good people on Saturday, some old faces and even more new ones. The antics at the hotel bar up until 5am were hilarious... if not scandalous!

Looking forward to M.E.N Arena in March.

With Respect
Dougie McAdam
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-11-12 15:11:31
Dougie,thank you.It's great to meet you and your family.They are lovely people.You have done an excellent job and enjoyed your company.
I am sure we will be working with you on many shows next year.Take good care.
Posted: 2009-11-13 02:57:46
Hi Phil
Please send me your address regarding your tickets,thanks.
Posted: 2009-11-13 05:24:10

Onwards and upwards to the MEN arena..

If for any reason you didnt attend this prestigious inaugrial event , below are some sample photos of how the day panned out..

This along with the other reebok shows have set the benchmark for muay thai events in the uk,so on to the MEN arena get your tickets now as this was sold out a week before the event..

peter spensley

Posted: 2009-11-13 05:26:33

The VIP dining area at the reebok

Posted: 2009-11-13 05:27:46

The VIP Bar at the reebok

Posted: 2009-11-13 05:30:01

MSA Merchandising

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Grand Master Sken & the silverware
Posted: 2009-11-13 05:36:57

best commentary team in the business
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Mc Dougie the MC
Posted: 2009-11-14 03:43:54
Hi Pete
I like the photos behind the scene,please put more photos on here.I am sure you have many photos, please send me the Photos CD.Thanks
Posted: 2009-11-15 13:32:33

nearly there ,,,whoes gonna post on the 40,000 view on this thread...
Posted: 2009-11-15 13:33:48

nearly there ,,,whoes gonna post on the 40,000 view on this thread...

the skys the limit... our great sky team
Posted: 2009-11-15 13:35:57

what a line up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 2009-11-16 03:29:44
Thanks Pete
I have got texts and emails from people who start to book tickets for the show at M.E.N Arena.
If you do want to book it early,please go to ticketmaster.
Dan is working on match making now,any suggestions please let us know on here.
We will let you know the line up soon,there will be fantastic fights.
Anuwat Kaewsamrit V Liam"the Hit Man" Harrison-THE REMATCH
Bovy Sor.Udomsorn V Michael Dicks and Damien Trainer V Thai opponent
These matches alone are very worth for your money and to see.
Book tickets and put the date on your diary now !!!
Saturday 27th March 2010 MANCHESTER MEN ARENA.
Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-16 05:11:52
I think some big international names on the show would serve to pull in extra interest... I'm thinking the likes of Buakaw, John Wayne Parr or Yodsenklai, and if Nicky Holtzken will fight Muay Thai rules, I'd love to see him fight again - he was superb on your shows in 2005/6!

The only reason I mention the JWP, Buakaw and Yod, is that my friends who aren't involved with Muay Thai, often send clips of them to me on You Tube saying how good they are, asking if I've seen or heard of them... given the chance to see such fighters live I think you've got a great chance of selling even more tickets!
Basil the Fox
Posted: 2009-11-16 05:13:38
I should add, that that's not to say that the current line up aren't already big international names, because obviously, they're absolutely awesome. :o)

I'm thinking purely in terms of getting more lay people in to get excited about the sport.
Posted: 2009-11-16 05:49:35
829 posts and 40,000 views must be a record
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-11-16 06:06:42
Personally, I'd like to see Sean Wright v JWP THE REMATCH.
liam badco
Posted: 2009-11-16 07:20:16
Fight Sport MC
Posted: 2009-11-16 08:08:17
4 posts up Master Sken writes:
"Dan is working on match making now,any suggestions please let us know on here".

That was my suggestion mate!
Posted: 2009-11-20 06:33:11

MSA have stepped up another gear in event promotion. Our next event will be held at the prestigious MEN Arena (Manchester Evening News Arena) in Manchester on 27th March 2010.

Situated near to Manchester city centre, the MEN Arena is regular host to many of the world's top musical acts and sports events, this is why the arena was chosen by MSA to advance the ramping up of Muay Thai as a mainstream sport. With a capacity from 3,000 upwards to a maximum capacity of 23,000, this is the venue all Muay Thai fans have been waiting for to see the UK and international stars of Muay Thai in action.

The MEN Arena was one of the first indoor venues in Europe to be built along the lines of the traditional American sports arena layout of 360 degree seating - and is the only arena in the UK to have this feature (London's O2 Arena also has 360 degrees seating, but only on one tier; the MEN has this on both tiers).

The MEN Arena prides itself on being accessible to everyone. There is an on-site NCP multi-storey car park that holds 900 vehicles. Wheelchair access seating is available and the venue is accessible from Manchester Victoria train station.

There are a number of superb hotels that are walking distance from the arena with prices to suit every budget.

This will be a cracking event and MUST NOT be missed!!

Tickets available through MEN Arena

For any queries concerning this, please contact Laura on 0208 652 9300
Posted: 2009-11-23 07:20:03
More of your cracking pics please Basil (M. Sken)
Posted: 2009-11-23 13:32:10
There will be dedicated MSA Events Photographs website by EVENT PHOTOGRAPHY & PRINTING(Peter) and Basil the fox.They are our official MSA Events Photographers.
I must express my sincere thanks to both of them.Peter is excellent with photos and marketing.
Basil the fox is excellent with timing and best action photos.We are so glad to have them working with us and MSA Events.
Posted: 2009-11-24 09:33:26

Thanks Master Sken & Everbody at MSA

The full story of a great weekend at THE Inaugural

MSA MuayThai Premier League Supershow at the Reebok is now online..

Its temporary home is

The photo website will eventulally be accessed through the MSA Website

Please take time to have a look IT WAS A GREAT WEEKEND , I hope you enjoy it as much as myself and Mike( basil the fox )Howarth ENJOYED SNAPPING IT..

On behalf of the MSA Team ...Thank you very much for your continued support..

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Posted: 2009-11-28 05:25:11

some of the article from FIGHTERS MAG ,& wow wait till you see the front cover..

ImageThe faint skirl of the bagpipes, at first deadened by the tumult of bodies between the piper and the ring, grew into a crescendo, cascading the stirring notes of 'Scotland the Brave' amongst the crowd like tartan confetti. Behind the piper, cavorted a kilt-clad, bare-chested figure (not the red-haired Scotsman one might expect) but a small, grinning Thai man, doing a passable impression of the Highland Fling! Were it not for the MSA boxing gloves encasing his hands, it could have been presumed he was a crazy, mixed-up fan in the wrong traditional dress. But this was MSA's inaugural Muay Thai Supershow - and this guy was here to fight!
And fights there were in abundance! With some of the most mouth-watering match-ups ever seen in this country, the MSA team had excelled themselves in providing value for money, top class entertainment in this, their first Muay Thai Premier League Supershow, working tirelessly to deliver the cream of the Muay Thai fighting world to our doorstep at the Reebok De Vere Whites Premier Suite in Bolton. The 1500 capacity crowd in The De Vere Whites Hall was not going to be disappointed!
The Premier Suite was full to capacity with a sell-out crowd well before the 1:30pm start. Two giant screens hung astride the flaming MSA logo on one curtained wall and to one side, a neon-bordered, meccano entrance waited cavernous, ready to disgorge its contents one by one, of dynamite laden legs, fists, elbows and knees along with the torsos that would deliver them.
The Scottish brogued tongue of the Sky announcer set events in motion, whipping the crowd into voice, before in a whirl of colour and noise. The battles were about to begin!...
Posted: 2009-12-07 12:50:46
Dear All
It's my pleasure to inform you that Sky has appoved our show programme and it will be shown on Sky as follow:

Sky Sports 3 Digital 9 December 09 10pm

Sky Sports 3 Digital 10 December 09 1.30am

Sky Sports 2 Digital 10 December 09 11am

Sky Sports 2 Digital 10 December 09 4pm

Please give us your view,hope you will enjoy it,many thanks.

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