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chalky
Posted: 2005-06-08 05:28:40
Asthma:I have slight Asthma due to my job(chemical industry),Anybody else have Asthma? Does it effect your training?...etc. Mine is pretty much controlled,But a bit weezy in training yesterday(hot weather/pollen not helping).Any alternative medication tried?

Yep,I have tried changing jobs!
thanks.
Lugs Bunny
Posted: 2005-06-08 13:27:34
Try tissue salts
Particularly Kali phosphate
and Magnesium phosphate.
phil
Posted: 2005-06-08 15:39:49
I used to have asthma before I started training regularly, had to have Becotide twice a day and maybe a bit of Ventolin now and again. Training made it disappear though, probably due to exercising the lungs. When I stopped training I noticed a big difference after a while, with asthma and strange allergies suddenly appearing from nowhere. Now I am trying to get in shape again the allergies and asthma have more or less gone again. The moral of the story is to train hard (5 nights a week) and the asthma will significantly improve!
chalky
Posted: 2005-06-08 16:29:30
Cheers Guys........I do train hard,But it restricts my breathing sometimes when i have a "bad" spell.
Lugs,Can i get that Kali phosphate from health food shops? ta!
Matt-
Posted: 2005-06-08 16:59:29
I had asthma when I was a kid, once my father stopped smoking my asthma went away.
phil
Posted: 2005-06-08 16:59:57
Don`t know if you mix in running or not but that really used to make a difference for me. 3 nights boxing and mt training, 3 nights running (would double up on one night and run after training). Cath 22 though because if your asthma is really bad you won`t be able to get started with running anyway! Anyway, I`m sure you train hard anyway so all the best, hope it clears a bit for you.
phil
Posted: 2005-06-08 17:00:49
How many anyways did I put in that last sentence. And who is Cath 22?
yoda
Posted: 2005-06-09 03:36:58
I find steam rooms help, whenever I've been for one I feel I can take huge lung fills of breath.
chalky
Posted: 2005-06-09 06:28:59
I do run on treadmill @ gym,Usually can do a couple of mile in 15mins,Less some days! steam room does seem to help too.It's probley a factor that both my mum and dad were heavy smokers while i was in the house being brought up.
I seem to be doing ok @ the moment though,thanks.
Lugs Bunny
Posted: 2005-06-09 13:59:55
Yes Chalky the whole range of tissue salts can be found in most health shops and places like Boots.
chalky
Posted: 2005-06-09 16:57:52
Thanks Lugs,I'll try it.
Barney
Posted: 2005-06-09 17:06:59
I have asthma too.
It can also be exercise induced.
It can be allergic response.
Your lung capacity is reduced.
And your oxygen absorption is reduced.

You have to realise that your blood oxygen levels are effected.
I used to turn purple and blue because I could barely get oxygen into my bloodstream.

You have to start slow, and warm up well, gradually increasing in difficulty.
I noticed when I jump right in without warming up my asthma will kick in strong.

All dairy products will cause mucus and phlem.

I broke away from those ventilator prescription medications, those will kill you.
I now use herbs an hour or two before I train to avoid asthma attacks.

I also use Yoga/Chines Yoga (Chi Kung / Qui Gong).
I only use the blood oxygen saturating breathing exercises, and I do those while I'm driving to the gym.

You can also use certain breathing yoga drills to fight an attack.
I use the relaxing breathing drills during an attack.

You should work on building your lung capacity.
And work on calming your body during attacks, breathing slow and deep.

Oh, an don't forget you can be easily acquire lung infections/neumonia/etc.
I've had several bouts.
Constant/continual flaring/irritation of lungs can lead to that.

There's alot more to say but it is quite complex and difficult.
It took me my whole life to fight this.
phil
Posted: 2005-06-09 17:28:24
Good point from Barney re oxygen levels. I normally do a good warm up before weight and cardio sessions and have no problems, just feel as out of breath and tired as anyone else.

Last night, however, I only had 45 minutes so just went straight into the cardio without the warm up. After just 15 mins I felt like I was going to faint, felt very dizzy and light headed and I knew it was because of my blood oxygen level, not a pleasant feeling at all.
chalky
Posted: 2005-06-10 14:08:36
Cheers Barney,I use the presciption ventilator to control it.It's not a massive problem,I did have a "huge" Asthma attack before i knew i had it,And i had to tell my G.P. I thought i had it!
I am pretty fit and cope well,But it does scare you.
Barney
Posted: 2005-06-10 17:26:31
If you must use the ventilator alot the best solution is to use it 1 hour or 30 minutes before starting training.
Because if you wait until the attack starts it will take time to kick in, it might not work as well, and it is just better to let it absorb into your body before training (not during training), and the ventilator has a immediate/temporary effect which you don't want to be training during.
I will post some more as I recall it.
Barney
Posted: 2005-06-12 02:10:54
Also
Asthmatics might tend to exhale much stronger and more often or longer duration than their inhalations.
So, I tend to focus my mind to ensure that I inhale sufficient quantity.
Is this understandable?
chalky
Posted: 2005-06-12 12:12:50
Yes,I understand that.
I try not to "over-use" my ventilator anyway,Hardly use the "blue" one.
Barney
Posted: 2005-06-12 22:12:53
And that is not only during training.
It is all day and night.
Shallow breathing is a general problem of all people.
But in asthmatics it is worse.
And add to that the asthma which further diminishes your blood oxygen absorbtion and levels.
So watch your breathing always, not only during training.
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-07-06 17:08:31
chalky-my personal trainer had asthma. He got rid of it by changing much of what he ate. Many don't believe this kind of thing but I do. If you want some info on it I can ask him. E-mail me if you want.
TEEJ
Posted: 2005-07-17 07:01:44
I have just recently this week been to the doctor, who has told me to try using this blue inhaler pump thing for 2 weeks. I may have asthma due to allergies:(:(:(..but I'm not keen on using these types of medicines..

Does anyone have any information on more natural remedies...I've looked on google, but information from asthmatic martial artists would be great.
TEEJ
Posted: 2005-07-17 07:03:29
ps. I am new to this, and readin all this info on it is quite scary!
TEEJ
Posted: 2005-07-17 07:16:20
I'm quite suprised I have it since I have quite good stamina
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-07-17 20:29:18
The inhailer cures and deals with the cause or the symptom??

Maybe use if you need but I would look into the cause and dealing with that.

Sugar, booze, white flour etc all play a factor in alergies.

Natural ways of dealing with symptoms are good but I'd look into the cause.
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-07-17 20:45:54
My trainer had asthma and allergies. His allergies are almost nil and I believe his asthma is totally gone. We always run out of time and he's busy and I have tons of questions to ask or run by him all the time but I will try to ask again what he did for asthma.

I'm 90% sure that it was almost, if not all, life style and nutrition changes.

Allergies same except I think he did some detox stuff too and maybe a natural suppliment.

I believe "How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy" talks about asthma but not possitive. I've read most but bits here and there. Bought for my folks before got one for myself. Read some of theirs and some of my training partners.

Where do you live? Pollution plays a nice role too.
chalky
Posted: 2005-07-18 05:16:09
Yes,You do need to find out what causes your Asthma.Mine is work related(certain chemicals).But also smoke in bars makes me "chesty".
As Mark says poor air quality can also effect it.
I have learned to "cope" with it,and thankfully it does'nt stop me from training hard or doing inter-camps...etc.
Inhalers are very good for controlling your asthma,And while not perfect(what drugs are?) it is a practical solution.I would be interested to see if changing things in my diet helped though.
TEEJ
Posted: 2005-07-18 06:29:29
Hi I have noticed that using this blue inhaler, makes my chest feel a bit tight after 30mins to an hour of using it. I want to try and avoid using these prescribed medicines, because I dont like the thought of depending on them in the long-term.

I think that breathing is not so bad, but sometimes I am having to cough so hard to get some phlegm out!
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-07-18 10:22:45
chemicals at work-can you wear a gas mask etc? Would you consider looking for different work?

Bars-how important are they in your life?

Easier said than done and everyone does somethings. Just somethig to consider maybe. :)

Good luck.
chalky
Posted: 2005-07-19 05:38:40
Hi Mark,
I have on several occasions tried to change "jobs" without success,I have no qualifications and have been in this steady job for 12 years!

The jobs i wanted and tried to get into ie:Police force,Firefighters.... Don't take on asthmatics(brought on through my current job),So it's a circle.And @ 41 with no qual's it's hard to get a job that easy and pay's a reasonable salary.

I do wear breathing "gear" now it is available @ work.

As to bars,Well they are'nt that important to me,I hardley go in them now.But the sooner they get rid of smoking in bars and resturants in the better!!

I'll just add i'm very fit for a 41 year old with asthma ;-)

Thanks.
TEEJ
Posted: 2005-07-19 05:50:38
I have been to the doctors this morning, another doctor- who now says its hayfever related..and not to use the pump which the first doctor gave me, unless I am very short of breath :|

Which may be a more plausible explanation since I am not always out of breath.
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-11-12 23:46:21
For asthma and allergies I sugest reading "You're Not Thirsty, You're Sick" and or "You're Bodies Many Cries For Water"

For asthma he makes a very clear, strong and sensible case of dehydration being a large factor in many cases..

If memory serves he suggests incase of attack, instead of an inhaler, to drink two glasses of water and then put a little bit of salt (sea salt better) on tongue (noticed lugs said something about salt)

If you drink OJ add some sea salt too..

I don't know how serious your attacks get so use logic and look into info if need be. But i'd give it a go for sure

Batmanghelidj is his name... had to look up,hard to remember.
Barney
Posted: 2005-11-13 12:26:41
For me I prefer dry for my asthma.
When I lived in Arizona, for 5 years, I didn't have any trouble with my asthma, and I was smoking cigarettes too at the time.
Then when I moved to Los Angeles, my asthma came back strong within a few months.
Many people with serious respiratory problems have moved to dry climates.
Many doctors recommend it.
A couple years ago during the winter I was using a heater with steam and I was getting bad asthma and mucus build-up.
Then I immediately got rid of that heater and started using a heater without steam and my illness immediately started to clear up.
Whenever the climate because more moist like rainy season etc my lungs will act up.
I have used a dry heater even when I wasn't cold just to counteract the moisture in the air and it has worked.
Avoid steam.
Barney
Posted: 2005-11-13 12:43:54
Bare with me while I try to relate this if I can remember it correctly.
In Chinese medicine the flow of energy chi is key.
When the chi is not flowing and is obstructed is when our bodies don't work well.
That is when you get blocked channels.
Alot of that chinese medicine stuff is either blocking certain channels or clearing channels in order to help the body to cure itself.
When the chi is not flowing it is stagnant and it festers in certain parts of our bodies.
Like a shallow pond full of algae and fungus rather than like a clear flowing river or ocean.
And this is what asthmatics lungs are like.
An asthmatics lungs are not functioning optimally and there is alot of blockage and things are not flowing and clear and beautiful.
When you add moisture into an asthmatics lungs it will fester and be a breeding ground for disease, sickness, infections, etc.
Of course we all need moisture to a certain degree.
Being a asthmatic whom has suffered severely in the past I have learned a little.
I have been hospitalized a few times in the past, once near death.
I have had a few bouts of pneumonia.
I have been put under sleep observation for dangerously low blood oxygen levels during sleep because of asthma, lung blockage, and shallow breathing.
It has been nearly 10 years since I have really kicking asthmas ass.
I wish I could fight in muay thai but sometimes I feel like I have already been through too many wars and I didn't even get to get into the ring.
My point is that maybe you can believe what I am saying and don't simply shrug this advice off or let it go in one ear and out the other.
Barney
Posted: 2005-11-13 12:51:41
What I use these days is a herbal formula named "Breathe-Aid" made by Nature's Way.
I use half dosages which is 1 capsule and I only use it when I really need it.
And, sometimes when my lungs are feeling bad, I also take a pill 1 hour before training to avoid exercise induced asthma attacks.
I DON'T use those inhalers but I do have one in my cabinet just in case I get some kinda deadly attack.
Nature's Way Products, Inc is in Springville, Utah, 84663, USA.
I don't know how or if you can acquire this stuff but if you can't and you need me to send some to you MAYBE I can assist (depending on all the legal mumbojumbo).
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-11-19 13:01:48
I believe in energy flows throughout the body etc. Totally. I believe a big part of health in many or all aspects.

Is still think hydration is a big factor also!!!
Barney
Posted: 2005-11-19 18:26:14
Yes, hydration into your body.
NOT inhaled into the lungs.
gaksun
Posted: 2005-11-20 01:17:16
hey Mark L can you tell me exactly wot foods your trainer gave up to help his asthma? i have asthma, makes running really tough ... i tho find humidity really helps open up my chest.
i quite possibly have the worst job for an asthmatic too. i'm a house and factory painter....
does anyone have great difficulty running?
Barney
Posted: 2005-11-20 04:13:14
UNBELIEVABLE
Good riddins.
Mark L.
Posted: 2005-11-22 14:16:20
Gaksun-this isn't an area I've gone into much as I don't have asthma.

My old strength coach did, as well as alergies and he doesn't any more. Food and water and life style etc

My new coach would know more about but we don't discuss much as I'm trying to focus on my areas.

Sugar and processed flour and alcohol-get rid of those. Drink plenty of H2O (a bit of sea salt) and eat for your metabolic type. If things don't clear up significantly after that I would be surprised.

Sugar is poison. plain and simple. Look up 'poison'in dic and look at what sugar does to body and you'll see that I'm actually using poison to discribe sugar properly.

white flour (whole wheat by law in bc only has to be 16%-memory). Basically processed.

I avoid grains over all. Including brown and wild rice. i eat them but avoid too much too often.

Everyone is different

'One mans food is another mans poison'

Good luck
Mark L.
Posted: 2006-02-17 17:15:47
"ASTHMA - WILL RESEARCHERS EVER SEE THE TRUTH?

NEW YORK TIMES - WEDNESDAY, MAY 5, 1999, Page B-1

"38% ASTHMA RATE FOUND IN HOMELESS CHILDREN"

A photo of a small African-American boy wearing an oxygen
mask accompanies Three hundred lines of text.

One sentence is devoted to the probable cause:

"...exposure to factors like cockroach feces, dust mites,
mold, dampness, rat and mouse urine and crowded living
conditions."

Homeless people live in shelters and get free room and
board. They get FREE cheese and milk which serves as the
foundation of their diet.

ASTHMA RATES ARE SOARING

The article comments: "For reasons that remain unclear to
researchers, the prevalence of asthma is rising..."

The highest asthma rates are found in New York City, where
23 percent of the students in the Hunts Point Section of the
Bronx have been so diagnosed.

ARE THERE MORE COCKROACHES IN THE BRONX?

Of course not! However, the rates of poverty are extremely
high among the inner city African-American population.

WHAT DO THE CHILDREN EAT?

In the name of "good nutrition," these kids are fed
concentrated milk proteins. They receive free milk and
cheese thanks to the United States Department of
Agriculture. Last year ten billion pounds of free poison
were fed to the children.

WHY DO DAIRY PRODUCTS CAUSE ASTHMA?

Eighty percent of milk protein is CASEIN, the same glue used
to hold together wood in furniture. Casein is also the glue
used to affix a label to a bottle of beer. Eat casein and
you produce histamines. Histamines result in mucus. Mucus
makes breathing difficult. Thousands of children die,
primarily African-Americans. Many deaths are misdiagnosed,
called congestive heart failure.

CONGESTION

Asthma results when the bronchioles of the lungs fill with
glue. In the case of asthma, mucus.

I first wrote about asthma and the milk connection after
reviewing the autopsy of a pizza-victim. With every organ
acutely congested with mucus, unable to breathe, this
African-American died and the undigested cheese remained in
her stomach 15 hours after her meal. Fifteen hours! Her
body worked overtime to produce histamines and mucus,
congesting her lungs. She choked to death, unable to
breathe.

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html

HIGH ASTHMA RATES IN CHILDREN

The homeless adults also live in poverty. They are also
exposed to the same environmental conditions as their kids.
However, they do not go to school. They do not eat free
breakfast, milk with cereal. They do not eat free lunch,
macaroni and cheese or cheese sandwiches. They do not drink
chocolate milk. They do not wear the cute milkstaches and
their asthma rates are not as high as their children.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Robert Cohen author of: MILK - The Deadly Poison
(201-871-5871)
Executive Director (notmilkman@notmilk.com)
Dairy Education Board
http://www.notmilk.com "
Mark L.
Posted: 2006-02-17 17:19:02
do a search on www.mercola.com tons of articles.
chalky
Posted: 2006-11-05 12:59:50
UPDATE: I finally changed my job.So i hope this will now help.
jjju.g.k.
Posted: 2006-11-05 17:43:36
Bit of humidity in your room at night does a world of good.
Mark L.
Posted: 2006-11-05 18:59:39
chalky-good luck :) likely the best option!!
chalky
Posted: 2006-11-06 05:19:10
Thanks.Took me a while to get out of a factory job!
Mark L.
Posted: 2006-12-15 07:01:52
Here are some stories of EFT with asthma

http://www.emofree.com/articles.aspx?id=6
Mark L.
Posted: 2006-12-15 07:03:38
Here are some stories of EFT with asthma

http://www.emofree.com/articles.aspx?id=6

http://www.emofree.com/Asthma-relief/md-no-inhaler.htm
-this one is my friend who wrote in who taught part of one of the courses I took.
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-15 11:31:03
I had me first personal experience with asthma and EFT yesterday.

"I'm dizzy from how much oxygen I am getting." -Matt

He wasn't having an attack but on a scale of 0-10 he said his breathing difficulty was a 6 (you could clearly hear it). Diddn't take long to get it to what he called a 0 (couldn't hear anything).

We went on to work on a load of other things and at one point he coughed. He commented that that would normally make breathing a lot harder (I don't know anything about that) but he was still good.

I assume he will need to tap here and there but I suspect over time it will all deminish.

So there you go. My first personal experience with working with EFT on (well he did it and now knows it) an asthma case.

Sounds too good to be true-thats why I keep sharing cause I keep experiencing!!
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-16 20:18:10
Matt called me today on his way to work. His asthma started to come back and he left his inhailor home cause he was gonna tap if it came back (that is NOT my recommendation, though if safe to do so I would sure as hell tap first). Anyway, tapping worked like a charm for him and its a tool he has for life.

Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-17 08:48:44
I'm planning a mini workshop on EFT and he said he'd write up his experience. I might post it on the EFT thread or here.

Any of you asthma people gonna try this or you think its hog wash?

Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-22 07:19:52
Los Angeles physician Eric Robins, MD, explains, “Stress and negative emotions are often stored in the body’s smooth muscles, which function automatically, without our conscious control. Stress stored in smooth muscles of blood vessels going to the head might produce a migraine headache, while stress stored in smooth muscles of air passages of the lungs can produce asthma, and stress stored in smooth muscles of the digestive tract can produce Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Stored emotions also affect our immune systems."

http://www.emofree.com/Press-Releases/disease-cause.htm?WT.mc_id=N_Jan22_Press
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-25 14:33:32
Asthma-he had beend drinnking and started to have an attack and didn't have his inhailor with him. He was in public but what else to do.. so he tapped. Everyone thought he was weird but it went away!
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-25 14:34:59
Asthma-he had beend drinnking and started to have an attack and didn't have his inhailor with him. He was in public but what else to do.. so he tapped. Everyone thought he was weird but it went away!
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-01-26 08:36:50
Of course western med says this isn't possible.

Matt uses it and it works for him.
chalky
Posted: 2007-02-01 03:34:09
Mark,What is "tapping" and how do you do this? Also what is EFT?
I'd try anything that helps! I have been told Asthma,IBS,and eczema are all linked? I have all 3! :-(

Thanks.
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-02-01 08:59:44
I am huge on the nutrition and life style factors but the energy flows in the body play even bigger roles.

I would get off the gluten 100%
stay away from the 4 white devils processed: dairy, salt, sugar, grains
eat protein with every meal
don't skip meals
drink .5oz of water to lbs of body weight (200lbs=100oz)
(pinch or two of unrefined sea salt -ideally from NZ of France- per liter

I'd suggest getting "How To Eat, Move and Be Healthy" -Paul Chek
or working with a CHEK HLC or a metabolic typing advisor

Tapping-is litterally tapping on different end points on the meridians.
Its like accupuncture without the needles. Why it is so effective is
because it is done when the energy flows are disrupted.

Example-thinking the thought 'my gf shouldn't have cheated' causes a disruption
in your energy system-so you tap while holding that thought and straighten it out which takes the negative emotion away (simplifying a little but really thats it)

Gets some raw milk if you can and try that too

I would be willing to bet you money that if you honestly did that you would get some pretty wild changes.

But free info usually doesn't go far.
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-02-01 09:09:38
formual for change

When the desire for a change is greater than the resistance to change.

We are all resistant to change. Hell, asking someone not to eat cereal is like asking them to change religious beliefs. I'm not kidding either.

Resistance is strong. To change. To do something different and there for get a different result. You need to have a great desire for something different to over come the resistance.

If you write down your dreams and goals and get clear on what you truely want, then if getting healthy is aprt or supports those dreams and goals then it gets relatively easy to change (at least step by step)

Another thing that keeps us where we are is programming. Current research on brain washing and memetics suggests that about 1% of the population have access to their own minds.

IF that is even a little bit true.... holy shit

I have learned a little of prgramming and can see, sometimes, when I do things out of prgramming (everything is programming but from programming I don't want)

I am just starting a lesson and one of the biggest things in it is identifying your programming and how to change it. IOts scary and exciting cause what we believe we associate with self and challangig beliefs we feel (ego) our existance is challanged.

Thats why people can't talk about pollitics or religion without getting emotionally changed-because they are so programmed and the go holds the belief like if it is challanged it feels its life is threatened.

If one gets an emotional charge discussing any issue-guess what? a good time to maybe do some looking.

Hows that for out there? LOL
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-02-01 09:23:56
want to see some evidence?

look at the wole my MA is better than yours.

Look at all the killing and death and distruction from people who preach "thou shalt not kill"

Is that rational thought (only 1% of people can think rationally supposedly).

I'm right, I'm right. vs I'm right I'm right
both feel threatened (very litterally) and both start klilling

Look at sporting events.

we'll take football in England..

Poeple get violent deffending what they think is right because they assocuiate their beliefs with who they are and the ego feels threatened when that is challanged. (i think there is a lot more to it than that but I see it playing here too)

Believe your country is the best and right and you will support bombing the fuck out of women and children because they think differently. How rational is that thought?

Why do we feel challanged when someone has another idea or belief?

And if we are getting an emotional response then that says we aren't thinking rationally!!!!!!! With EFT is cool to see the rational arise when you take someones negative emotions away. Like a guy I worked with who broke up with his finacee. Lots of different emotions etc... but once we took care of all of them he realised he didn't really love her and the break up was a good thing. 30min earlier there is no way he could have had that thought.

Keeping your cool is essential to rational thought.

Anything that gets emotion up (subjects and beliefs) suggests there is some programming. Fear is about the biggest one too!

Threat of this... threat of that....
fear of this... fear of that...

threat, food and sex are the biggest things we pay attention to...

Any beliefs we have in these areas (especially threats and fears) are worth closer inspection in my opinion and experience.


How does this tie in? :) just a ramble lol

but asthma is largely linked to emotions-thats why many people get such great results with EFT :)

The less fear and negative emotions you have, IMO, the less asthma issues you will have too.

Mark L.
Posted: 2007-02-01 09:25:13
chalky-by no means directed at you :)
just a ramble..

starting with making changes to get different results (astham etc)
Barney
Posted: 2007-04-03 06:38:10
It's been a month or two now that I've drasticly changed my eathing habits.
Mostly fruits, vegetable, and grains. More organics with no pesticides and GMOs. Less meat. Almost no dairy, only milk in my coffee. No fast food. No junk food.

And my lungs don't get sick as often any more.
I know I'm not healed. But my quality of life has improved.

The article posted by Mark L described me to the t and was a wake up call.

"ASTHMA - WILL RESEARCHERS EVER SEE THE TRUTH?

NEW YORK TIMES - WEDNESDAY, MAY 5, 1999, Page B-1

"38% ASTHMA RATE FOUND IN HOMELESS CHILDREN"
Barney
Posted: 2007-04-04 05:50:28
What, no congratulations?
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-04-04 19:16:21
Barney- What ever works for you works for you! :)

Thats the best gage over all in my opinion and experience. Not what anyone claims works or what any studies say.

Side note-as a general rule I think alot of people could get more protein/fat in their diet.

Sounds good. Its nice to see results and really they are the main thing we do anything for.

If you are happy with the results-great, congrat yourself my friend :)

The more I learn etc the more I see emotional stuff related with asthma.

Its interesting watching emotional issues get resolved and symptoms of asthma start to fade. I really believe in a holistic approach. Physical, mental, emotional and spiritual components to almost anything IMO&E

Its interesting with adoptions how a high pertcentage of kids get sick shortly after moving to a new home etc

The real key I believe is looking for the real cause. Is it physical? Emotional? Spiritual (beliefs can cause emotional and mental stress which of course creates physical stress). Mental?

If the issue is not adressed atv the cause (may be more than one) then even if symptoms are delt with the imbalance will come back or manifest in another mannor.

I heard a woman talk about getting breast cancer say that the western med approach was great as it worked for her 5 times (she'd gotten breast cancer after supposedly getting rid of it 5 times). Thats great for her. My belief system suggests that maybe the true nature and cause of the breast cancer was not addressed as it keeps coming back. If she is hapy, great, but I have to wonder.

barney-with yourself i see someone who made an effort to change. Its absolutely insane to think we can have a dfifferent outcome by doing the same thing yet many of us are so afraid to change. If you feel good about making changes and the results you are getting then thats great!!!

You are also being an example and having an effect on group consciousness.

Asthma-in my experience, often has emotional components. If I am working with someone on breathing issues I often may not get results unless I approach it from an emotional perspective. Then breathing starts to change, fast.

I was working on a gal who hurt her knee skiing. We were focusing on the swelling and fluid retention and getting only slight results. I asked her 'if the fluid was representing something you were holding onto and not letting go, what would it be?" After getting a response in about 10min we got the swelling down about 85% (we didn't have time to go any further).

Time and time again I see this.

I worked with a woman with nerve damage in her hand (from her cancer treatment-which the docs had not told her all the possible side effects). Results were a little slow untill we focused on some emotional stuff. then in a couple mins we got the burning and swelling down from a 7+ (scale of 1-10) to less than a 1.

Point being its not in our belief system that it could be emotionally related. But in my experience I see it time and time again with physical stuff, even when it is from accute trauma (accident etc).

As a rule of thumb-if a client is willing to go that direction I will almost always come from an mental/emotional/spiritual perspective combined with the physical or not even.

The cool thing is that improving any area of health will affect all other areas of health, IMO&E.

If you like the results from making changes-keep it up if you want :)

Mark L.
Posted: 2007-04-05 10:02:53
http://www.google.com/search?ie=iso-8859-1&oe=iso-8859-1&q=asthma&domains=emofree.com&sitesearch=emofree.com

I'm not sure what I have put above for links but here are pages and pages of testimonials regarding astham and EFT... Loads of evidence and first hand accounts of the emotional/physical connection.
Big Al
Posted: 2007-04-06 04:18:01
Hi Chalky, I have asthma, i use the ventolin and becotide inhalers, i have had mild asthma since a child its never really held me back just sometimes slowed me down a little. I remember once asking my doc what can i do to make it better? he said there are a 101 things you can do to help control it but ultimatley nothing to stop it!!! Have you ever tried the bubble (not sure of medical name) its like a plastic tube your inhaler fits in one end and your mouth around the other, this keeps all the medication once sprayed in the chamber and none escapes so you get the full dose, since I took my inhalers like this i have noticed a further improvement, i dont carry the bloody round with me, just use inhalers as normal but find i need them less.Your training will defo help tho mate, and with an instructor whos big into fitness you cant go wrong really!
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-05-21 11:22:07

Breaking News!!



A study of 14,893 children in Europe finds that consumption of Raw Milk protects against Asthma and Allergies.

( Parsifal study Waser et al. Clinical and Experimental Allergy.37 661-670 May 2007)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070510093349.htm



This research study adds tremendous weight to the “hygiene hypothesis”. Confirming that whole foods, a broad range of good bacteria and enzymes are essential to our health and immune systems function. Contrarily, those that live lives that avoid bacteria and eat processed foods become ill.



Delicious raw milk and raw dairy products which are naturally extremely pro-biotic ( 800 times more than yogurt ) provide these missing essential bacteria and enzymes.



As America embraces antibiotics, sterilized and preserved foods in an attempt to avoid disease i.e.…“terrorization and fear of bacteria” …our immune systems are failing at epidemic proportions.



Cultures that embrace a whole food diet simply do not have the diseases found rampant in the USA .



Consumers in California have discovered raw milk and the health it brings. Now it is official, Raw Milk brings healing and prevents Asthma. Something we have known from consumer testimonials for years but until now was unproven.



As far as raw milk safety is concerned, when cows are grazed naturally on green pastures, the raw milk they produce is extremely safe. The safety record of organic raw milk sold at retail in California stores is now 50 million servings to zero pathogens detected over seven years of intensive testing. Advanced testing now permits safety never imagined before. Heal your Asthma naturally with raw milk…and put away the drugs.



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Raw Milk is available in California at 300 stores and cooperatives.
Mark L.
Posted: 2009-06-05 08:26:27
Heard great results with this natural product related to asthma.
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Mark L.
Posted: 2009-06-08 08:29:23
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