Attention Mark L.!
Mark i have read a number of your threads on here and through them i also became interested in your references to CHEK instuitute etc. well i bought the book, read the pertitinet parts together with the metabolic typing diet and all i can say is. WOW, this guy is a genius. the book, read together with the woolcot book just makes absolute common sense and i reccomend it to all those who are health conscious. some excellent references especially core function etc. Thanks Mark for bringing it to my attention.

You are welcome. Thank yourself for hearing ;)

I don't know if Paul is a genius or not but he is certainly very very educated (self educated-try dropping out at grade 9) and very intune with intuition etc

I think he's disected 9 cedavors (pretty good for self study!!) lol

Educating ones self one can focus on what oe wants and one doesn't get sucked into dogmas that are taught like fact IMO

Let me know how it works for you. I have seen amazing changes in my life and in many others.

"You Are What You Eat" is a great audio series as well. But "How To Eat, Move and Be Helathy" covers loads.

If you have any questions or something doesn't make sense feel free to email and I'll give you my take, opinion, experience etc

I'll tell you one thing, talking to Paul, listening to him lecture, watching him teach people how to help themselves... He walks the talk in ALL aspects.

The book is a simplified version of NLC I basically. Very good and effective.

(don't under estimate the power of zone exercises!! They are the bomb ;)

Enjoy your journey to better health and thank yourself for making the choice and the effort.

We choose our realities...

whats the name of the book i quite fancy given it a try?

keepyerguardup- "How To Eat, Move and Be Healthy" -Paul Chek Is the book welsh eagle is reffering to. It covers all aspects of health and living (well all might be a stretch).

It covers loads of areas and has tons of info but it also is set up so that you don't have to get so blown away by it all.

It uses questionnaires to help you see where you are sitting in over all health and stress levels and to help you determine what foods are best for you and in what ratios (metabolic typing).

From the questionnaires and filling out the corrisponding table you see what areas are of greatest concern.

You simply choose one and read the associated chapter and work on that till you bring your score down. Once that is down you move to the next problem area and so on.

This way one isn't trying to do a million things all at once.

Are programming (memes) makes it hard to change in some ways and changing a persons diet is not unlike asking someone to change thier spiritual beliefs. So a step at a time with food, life style choices etc etc is important so one doesn't get too frustrated and simply not do it.

He also refferred to "The Metabolic Typing Diet" -Wolcott

This book has the basic metabolic typing test in it as well and will do more to explain how metabolic typing works, its history etc etc

How To Eat, Move and Be Healthy" also has a basci MT test in it.

A more indepth one can be done on line and then working with a metabolic typing advisor one can do an even more indeoth test.

The basic should get one results and I know many people who get amazing results with this level. There are benifits of working with soeone of course as everyone is different and a part of metabolic typing is learning YOUR bodys needs.

covers
metabolic typing
food quality
hydration
circadian rhythems
electromagnetic pollution
stress
ANS balance
exercise
stretching
rehabbing core (after birthing too)
thoughts
meditation/Qigong etc
etc

This is basically a simplified text book for the CHEK NLC level I. Level I being mainly to teach CHEK proffessionals how to get healthy themselves.

I have been to a few lectures by Paul and been taught by him. I have also personally talked with him. He walks the talk!!! He lives whats in that book and his whoile being shows for it.

Its not an intellectual read for info. Its a clinically proven (mostly scientifically proven also) system of improving ones life and health.

Apllied knowlage is power!

Do it-don't just read it!

Thats a little abou tthe book and my understanding/interpretation or it and my experiences with it.

(don't under estimate the power of the zone exercises!!!!!!!!!!)

Enjoy

Many athletes over all score with these questionnaires (and more indepth ones) are often in the red!!!! Fitness and health are not equal but health adds to fitness!!!!!

I agree with Mark - buy the book and try it for yourself, i dont know if it has been the placebo effect or what, but honestly i started last week (wednesday) on the 'protein type' eating advice- trained on Monday and had tons of energy we were sparring 2 minute rounds and they seemed so short! bearing in mind i am 5'8" now 16.5 stones with a fat belly, i was spariing with one of my novice fighters aged 19 and 67 kg and a very very fit and healthy guy and he was looking for the breaks - this was light sparring, granted, but still at a good fast pace.
i trained again on wednesday and had loads of energy on the bags.
i work 8 hours a day (5 days) as Police officer, teach Muay Thai Mondays, Weds, Fri and Sat Morning. i have been at this eating plan for 10 days and feel more alive than i have done in years. i have tried the zone exercises and the core work too as i can do that at home and it is all looking very postive. the best part is 'i can have my steak' lol

oh and keepyergaurdup get John to mail, us celts should stick together against all the english involved in Muay Thai LOL - like you i got guys who are fighting after 6 months too- celts are made of sterner stuff than the rest realise.
on a serious note i have a couple of fighters that need a bit more experience but i may be able to pull together a welsh team at 'b' and 'c' class by late spring 2007
Good luck with the book

welsh-great to hear. Thank yourself for making an effort (the only way we get anywhere) and a change (cause other wise you get the same results lol)

I had steak for breaky :) mmmmm

Placebo is very real it will add to something that works or doesn't. Western med looks at it like it doesn't matter and take it into account with studies etc. I look at it to indicate to me the power of belief and thought and what it suggests about the power we have in our sleves.

Believe and think about what you want and it will greatly help you in getting it!

At least thats what I believe and have experienced lol

Keep us posted.

Don't worry too much if you get detox signs (can make you feel shitty). Could happen tomorrow or could happen in a year or may never happen...

But keep us posted and enjoy your journey. Now if you start to loose some energy then you may need to change a little.

We are not all the one type for ever and seasons have an affect as does circadian rhythems etc etc

The big thing is learning to listen to yoUr body. Keeping track of how you feel before eating and after (writing it down and what you eat) helps yo look back and better interpret how you feel mentally and energy wise so that you can fine tune and adapt as needed.

Most protein types (there are few hard rules) will tend to need a little more carbs in am and a little less in pm.. but learning to listen to yoUr body will help you balance it out. There is not set amount for anyone. The ratios are a starting point to work from to find out what you function best on!

Enjoy-ain't it grand? :) lol

Hi Mark,
Im interested in the method behind Metabolic typing. Just wondering how you go about finding your "metabolic type" i.e do you have to go and see a specialist or is there a way you can check yourself. I mean, can you read a certain book/look on the internet? I maintain weight pretty well at the moment i am 5'10" and 61-63kg, and i feel that the little and often meal routine works well. However, i am wondering if by checking my metabolic type that it will enable me to perhaps drop a couple of pounds as ideally i would like to make 60kg in the future.
Just wondering if it is expensive? As some dieting routines (macrobiotic etc) are pretty expensive and being a poor student i'm hoping it isnt! lol
So if you could let me know any info either here or email me that would be great, as its definately something i'd like to try.
Thanks very much
Sam

I think I mentioned above but..

"How To Eat, Move and Be Healthy" has a basic MT test in it
"The Metabolic Typing Diet" has a basic MT test in it
www.metabolictypingonline.com has an intermediate test (I think thats where it is)
and working with an metabolic typing advisor you can do the advanced testing (and then there is a more comprehensive one also).

The book ones get great results with most people. If you have serious health issues and digestive issues it might be wise to work with someone.

CHEK NLC I and up use MT
A metabolic typing advisor can use a more advanced test. Many NLCs are also MT advisors

I know of at least one guy that charges hundreds an hour (who has also worked with some top name athletes) who uses the basic program..

It might be worth doing a gluten sensitivity questionnaire.. there is a good one on

drkalish.com
The man is a genious and funny to boot and a very giving soul!

(he first introduced me to MT, after the book that is)

Mark, I have a different take on Chek!

His work on health and fitness is without a doubt got some great stuff that WE all refer to at some stage!!

My thoughts are he lacks compassion and is arrogant!

I believe he walks, talks, shits everything he says. But what about the man outside of health and fitness?

The body is a whole just as the definition of a man, isn't it?

I'm attracted to people that are very sound in all aspects of their life, not just 1 or 2!! I will respect that they are the 'guru' in those areas but if everything else has turned to sh$t then that is something I don't what to be like!!

My almost 4yr old son doesn't care if I'm the trainer to Jason Suttie and Shane Chapman he cares that I love him as much as i can give!

This has just been my experience with him both in lecture, reading, audio. Extremely disciplined, self educated, committed to health and fitness, but someone who lacks compassion and is arrogant!

Oh and I'm not saying his life is shit outside of health and fitness but i do have to question someone who 'lives' for health and fitness (or any other i.e. sport, sex etc...) Or this is all we have seen of him to date anyway!!

Spida-everyone has thier opinion and you're certainly not the first to say he's arrogant. :)

I agree with you totally that physical health is just one part of a much bigger picture.

My take, simply my opinion, is that in lectures Paulos audiance are those in the field, proffessionals, that are suppose to be helping people. He tells it straight as he sees it, no bs and does soften the blow. Some like that and some don't.

Having him as a teacher and asking personal questions and listening to him answer others personal questions, one on one, in small groups or in a class situation I see a much different side of him. I sure as hell don't think his approach is tha same with a client than it is in a class than it is in a lecture.

The teachers at the Inst, including Paul, have been some of the most accepting and loving people I have met and some of the most spiritual in terms of walking the talk in thier own beliefs.

I have seen people ask him extreamly personal stuff...about things that people are scared to talk to with others and seen and heard his approach and response.

Arrogant-well I can certainly see that. Lack of compassion? In a lecture it may seerm like that. He goes hard and looks to me like he is trying to shake up his audience and get them to challenge thier preprogrammed ideas.

When compassion is called for I have to say my experience is greatly different.

I also know a large part of the work he does and the success he gets isn't just to do with the physical body and being able to work with mental, emotional and spiritual issues etc etc is what gets some real break throughs. Dealing with grief and guilt and fears etc etc is a big part of some of the major successes these people get. You don't get that by being uncompassionate. I have seen quite a bit of sensitivity and compassion and love.. Actually the likes of which I have rarely seen.

We have different experiences and interpretations of them. Thats cool. I think he deals with a group of professionals in a certain way. And I know it does turn off many.

In my experience Paul leads an extreamly compassionate live and walks the talk in his spiritual beliefs. Oh he believes hes friggin awesome alright! lol But I also believe he thinks everyone is and should think so too.

I'd invite you to look deeper if you want to challange my statements in your own mind. If not thats cool too. :)

The three people in the world I feel most comfortable talking to and telling my deepest secretrs and fears etc etc would be a wonderful man named John (he councels me professionally-meaning I pay for his time-its on the phone in the US and I have friends and clients that also get amazing results with him). The second would be JP Sears who is a teacher and friend. He taught part of my level one at The CHEK Inst and is about the most excepting person I have met in person. Paul would be the third, probably in that order also(certainly hjad the least one on one time with Paul. I feel that I can talk without feeling judged and while feeling accepted by all these amazing people.

But agian, that is my experience and it is niether right nor wrong IMO. I don't think yours is either right or wrong either.

My last sentance above isn't worded overly well...

I'm trying to say if you would like to look deeper into any of my experiences (simply cause they differ so vastly) then I invite you to do so. If not don't :)

Well said Mark!! I was not trying to be a Paul hater that's for sure, there are many of them out there (although i was close at times :-)

Yes that is a side he should 'expose' more espically when he's dealing with Kiwi's. We aren't like the US, I've been there seen Trainers and they like to follow their leader i.e. lots of groups Poliquin, Chek, Santana, Boyle, etc.. Me, give me all of them and I'll take some good out of the pot and create my own flavor!!

I can understand that Paul wants to challenge people's beliefs, look what you do on here and what I/we do with training methodology?! Some will get it some will not! Challenging in a confrontational manner (as i perceived him to do) will work for some, me nah I'm too Alpha male type personality as he! (Not to say that I don't do his style espically when I'm tired and can't be bothered.)

I'm a Juan Carlos Santana fan, he keeps it fitness simple and exposes his family side. Which to me is what should define most of you as a whole person! Family is a big part of kiwi culture brother espically if you are maori/polynesian!

Thanks for sharing your experiences bro,

p.s. I'm going to Australia on Sunday to do Charles Poliquin Level 1, looking forward to it, like Paul he's extremely smart (doesn't mean people agree with him as you know) however my PERCEPTION is the same around Paul. Arrogant, looking forward to maybe seeing what other qualities he possesses other then eating, shitting, breathing health and fitness! :-)

lol cool cool

Santana-got any sites you might recommend (I'm reading too many books right now to get a book or do a course etc). Haven't heard of him..

Poliquin-the man knows his shit! lol

He speaks 5 languages and is on constant contact with researchers in the area all around the world.

If memory serves he taught himself German so he could study German litterature on strength and conditioning etc (Europe being ahead of America). Actually swiss balls were used in Europe before anyone here knew what they were.

A very smart man!!

I have read through quite a bit of his level 1 (training partner has it) but haven't studied it or anything. I know he knows his shit regardless. I'm sure you'll breeze through it with your background etc lol My coach has done some of his stuff too..

I have to say that Poliquin told my coach that if you want to be the best to study with Paul.. of course they had a falling out since then :)

There is no one right way for sure!!!

I the more you look at and try out and experience the better you can come up with your own stuff.

(Pauls crazy ass booked in Kiwiland when he goes there from all I hear-more so than US).

Santana's main site is www.ihpfit.com he's right up my alley because he touches on more then just "fitness" I believe in Performance whether sport or life. No difference in my mind just intensity!!!

Where Santana and I are aligned; I'm not focused with what I don't have just what I got! Wether it be in health, gym equipment, athletic ability, proper squat etc... The rest we will get in the journey i.e. able to squat with 'ideal' form!! No better way to learn then by doing!

He doesn't use 'fitness jargon' to discuss what's going on, which I like because 1) I understand it quicker
2) tells me he can communicate to people at the level they are not what he is!

This is where I feel Chek, Poliquin let themselves down in using all the jargon to explain X where it can be done in simpler terms.

Hey different stokes for different fokes! :-)

Cool cool.. I found his site yesterday... Can't say I think much of his nutrition section. But I'll take your word for it on the exercise.

Paul to me is all about results. Regardless of client goals. Health being a base. Fitness is a very very small aspect. Doing is the only way. You don't know it unless you've experienced it.

Santana, draws a very clear line in the sand. About what we are i.e. Personal Trainer, Physio, Coach etc... and believes we are getting ahead of ourselves with courses. e.g. if I do a physio course in a weekend does that make me a physio?!

Santana's nutrition is not percieved to be cutting edge (Metabolic, Paleo) etc because it's not his 'thing', he refers out because he's not a nutritionist! Just as he's not a physio. He's a coach of happiness that uses fitness as a vehicle to do that, after all aren't we all in someway or another :-)

He also trains Jeff Monson who will be fighting Tim Silvia in UFC 65.

5 years of school doesn't make one anything either in my opinion.
Doing it and experienceing it does.

Happiness is certainly a good thing.

Anyway-good on you welsh and keep us posted. interesting how much of a difference in makes in working out isn't it?

For me, my body fell apart sooner than some and in trying to work out I kept crashing. Without the food etc I wouldn't have been able to work out. I was eating quality food etc too and was even crashing on the right foods for me...untill I got the ratios down.. way lower on carbs and higher on protein and fat, that the water were biggest but sleep was huge too..

wlesh i'll give john your email. theres usually a show around february in greenock. all novices usually

keepyerguardup thanks mate. i like reading the threads between Mark L and Spida H they are quite funny and if you read what they are on about you pick up great tips and other stuff i.e information sources that will help you improve your life, health, fitness, sport, hobby and then can research it for yourself. all these guys really know their stuff and i personally will research, evaluate, re research, re evaluate, take what i feel will work for me and use it, keep the rest as information and store it in my brain for future reference. i am lucky i can always remember things that i read/experience that i am interested in, i research, evaluate, use and disseminate information everyday in my day job. prior to this i worked as a fitness instructor, Muay Thai Teacher, and fighter. in my experience of the CHEK system and the Metabolic Type Diet(last 2 weeks) it is working for me i feel great, i am losing fat, i have excess energy and only training 2-3 times per week at present although i do the ball work and core work at home and instruct 4 times a week.
i have researched Spida's stuff also, and his systems also hold a lot for me i will be applyiong some of them in the future.
i mention all of these things to my students and they are impressed with the results so far. Sparring again on Monday @ 1 hour rotating partners - 2 minute rounds 1 minute rests with a heavy bag round for the odd guy out , this time younger fitter guys who are fighting at C class i was all over them, better speed, reactions, recovery, blocking - some may say experience yes this helps, some may say motor skills are now being reruited in a better way as my body remembers its younger days, i agree that this is a factor. but remember i fought at 63-66 kg retiring 1996 due to serious back injury, i am now 107 kg (i have lost 15 kg in last 2 months although @ 5 kg of that is in last 2 weeks)i have about 30% body fat which makes my ideal healthy weight approximately 82.3 kg with 10% body fat so currently i am fat(obese), unfit,5'8" and 3 weeks ago when sparring i was blowing like a good un - for me the system i am now using is working, people are commenting on how well i look, i am more relaxed and feel much happier in myself, my work and my life.
the only problem now is that i will need to buy a whole new wardrobe of clothes. lol
Remember to keep an open mind, research ALL that which is out there and use what you think will work for YOU. good luck.

"only problem now is that i will need to buy a whole new wardrobe of clothes"

I keep hearing this more and more lol

welsh-I believe whatever one chooses is the right path for them (may not get them the results they want but right path lol).

I respect the fact that you check it out and try it out.

YOU are teaching YOU.

In a very real sense no one can teach anyone anything. The individual has to be able to hear, to understand and to interpret it and then apply it in thier life.

You are your only real teacher and I am mine.

Congratualte yourself for trying (most important) and making a difference in your life.

I'm curious if you have noticed any differances in food cravings/hunger, sleep, mood, mental clearity etc...

Mark, no cravings, no hunger (but thats the fat in the food helpin there),i missed a meal today and all i thought about was food until i ate but i stayed with the system and had pork chops, olives and radish, my sleep still not sorted completely but still my mind is in overdrive (toying with change of career and becoming self employed), mood great really happy, mental clarity excellent. overall feel 100% better than i have done in years, i look younger skin is clearer, everyone is noticing the difference. i am raving about this to my colleagues etc they cant understand the speed of the changes and also my students are interested now.
the next step is giving up the coffee, :( lol
small acheivable goals in small measurable steps to make great leaps in order to advance like an army and be victorious in life. lol

Awesome!!!!

Generally cravings signal imbalance in macronutrient ratios.

Nice!!

Sleep has many factors, coffee being one :) But don't worry about it. If and when you are ready you'll stop. Untill then enjoy lol If possible have in am or early afternoon-less effect on sleep.

wow thats cool to hear. Keep it up!

mood, clearity, cravings etc are all greatly related to food intake and are a great gage to see if something is working for you.

Also feelings are a good way to gage our thoughts..

Yeah, fat is a great filler lol and it doesn't go to fat on the body so easily like everyone thinks.. carbs are the biggest culprit for that. However eating for yoU is the key.

I'm guessing you're doing the water and sea salt too?

Nothing like taking responsibility for yoUr own health and well being is there???

water and sea salt yes, the sleep thing will sort itself out. i dont/ havent drunk coffee after 4 pm for the last 12 months anyway because i realise its effects, i once was stopped from fighting at a prefight medical as the physician said i had a heart murmur turned out to be coffee

the coffeine had affected my heartbeat caused it to flutter, very powerful stuff, very powerful

I suspect the heart murmur wasn't just coffee but that coffee tipped it off (but I don't know alot about heart murmurs).

Sea salt is the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice work. :)