Scotty can you send me your phone number Goldenboy@xtra.co.nz
need to talk thanks mate.

Martial Arts Bull-shitters

Why is it that everywhere you go there seems to be so called martial arts instructors that bullshit???

Example:
You move to a town, open up a kickboxing club, and all of a sudden you get people comming in interested about your club, tell you they have been doing thai boxing or kickboxing down the road with the local traditional instructor and proceed to tell you how this instructor is the country's top thai boxer who has apparently had heeps of kickboxing fights and knocked out and smashed some of the countries top ligitamate champions.
But:
you've been doing & heavily involved with the sport for the last 22 years fighting, training fighters & promoting shows and you have never heard of these guys and then when you try to tell them that there instructor has not done what he has told you he has done, or teaching you what you think he is meant to be teaching you they argue the point with you.

Question??

is it the students that are exagerating abit about there instructors martial arts history ???
or is it the instructors that are bullshitting to there students.

and when they tell you the style they have been doing, how many times have you thought to yourself,
how many F@%#en times have i heard that same shit from that same style in other places

I mean am i the only kickboxer that comes agross this or do we all hear this same bullshit???

High lander, when I was searching for a martial arts club I was so naieve, because I didnt know anything about the arts [apart from Bruce Lee movies], & I wanted to learn so badly that I was one of those unfourtantes that got sucked in by the hype of my 1st instrutor, but time came when the truth shone thru[as it always will] & I saw the light & moved on. It is hard to "argue with the Bullshitting devotees" cause they are blind, so until the light switches on for them leave all alone.

I think this is probably a two way thing. When first starting training, if you're keen you can become proud and protective of what you are doing and where you are doing it. Sometimes a student might hear what they want to hear or just pick up on key words being said. Like, Champion and knock out. They have nothing to compare things to. So for them, their doing it with the best.
Instructors at whatever level will talk to their students. I imagine doing so in an encouraging, enthusiastic and positive mannor,probably hyping things up a bit. The instructor may genuinely be proud of what they have done and feel that for the level of their class they are more than experienced enough.
If the student develops well and seeks more in their training, they will move on looking for what they think or know they need. Possibly in moving gyms they will want to protect their only training experience. Even just a little?

Unless they really don't like their old instructor and feel they have wasted a few months of their life. The new instructor would love that.

Just my take on it. I could be completely wrong.

Cheers

Hi Highlander,

I will tell you for sure that you are not the only one to come across this, I teach Mauy Thai, but Kickboxing clubs around here are so common, I mean every instructor is a Kickboxing champion or world Martial Arts champion, even some who claim to be 6th & 7 th Dan Karate Instructors!

It is so sad that the only people who really suffer are the students who these people teach, I have come across a lot of prejudice from students at other clubs who have been told not to train with me because they will get beaten up and rubbish like that*. All these instructors are doing is setting themself up for a fall, students who have a mind of their own will find out about them and hopefully the word will spread, so that honest and qualified instructors can teach their chsen Arts.

*When students from otehr clubs have turned up and trained with us, we always have compliments on how well they have been treated and how much they enjoyed their training with us, which obviously spreads the light a bit more about bogus instructors.

Hope it works out for you,
Tony.

Martial Arts Bull-shitters can be a real problem.

I once knew an instructor that spent the best part of 3 weeks telling me that a really hideous girl from the gym fancied me and had been asking after me - he even went as far as to tell me he had passed on my mobile number to her.

Anyway, this all seemed to die down after a while as I was absent from training. When I came back, I was informed by a reliable source that the very same instructor had done a fake-back on me, and was now telling people that I had asked the girl in question out for a drink, and that she had turned me down.


Oh the shame.

>I mean am i the only kickboxer that comes agross this or do we all hear this >same bullshit???

Actually I arrived to the idea that if you don't find such things then you are not yet into the kb business :)

I really don't understand these guys. They can do such a nice commercial thing APART kickboxing or even FROM kickboxing. There are the N and C classes where with all due respect to the difficulty of the art, if the student is tallented it is hard to believe he will not win at least a small interclub. So I have the same question - wtf do they mix all this "world" bunch of words into their language. Makes one feel like changing from "champion of the world" (their version) into "champion of his own world" (the accurate version) :) :) :)

JonC
who was this instructor?
can you email me who it was please?
also jonc , dont take this the wrong way but :
(a) are you taking the piss?
(b) is this relevant to instructors who bullshit theyre students about what they have done etc? seriously im curious
(c) why did that instructor do that? isnt that slightly wierd? or was he just having a larrf?

Jon she wants your new number mate, her sister wants to go out with you, she had the baby and even got rid of her beard, if you can get her wheel chair in your car you will have a great time. ps she has lost some weight now she is only 17 stones, trust me i am not bull shitting you mate.

Bwahahahahahaha! Sounds good to me, i'll consider anything.

on 3 different occasions students of mine have spoken to students from a club a few miles away, and each time they come in asking about this top thai boxing instructor whos students claim is the best in the west with the top fighters and the best gym, fortunatly many of my students either fight or attend the tournaments and know that they are bullshitting,
thier are unfortunatly a lot of bullshitters in this game thiers even a guy in glasgow who teaches he was a kyokashin student who just decided to take up teaching thai he has a gold arm band which he tells people he got for being the top fighter in scotland, as far as i know he has had 2 fights niether of which was in scotland and he has been kicked out of at least 3 classes, but the public dont know this they take him at face value much to their loss unfortunatlly.

I was approached by a local instructor a year or so back and asked if id come and teach a one off session for his students , he was getting all different instructors in to give his students a different outlook now and again , i thought great , an open minded instructor good to see ... so i turned up and took a session , it went really well , enjoyed every minute and got lots of feed back , then towards the end the instructor asked if id spar a couple of rounds with 3 of his lads just to see what i thought and maybe coach a little so i did , as you can imagine i was very cautious and took my time letting each one do their thing and just sparred to each ones level , again went really well ...... anyway to the point , i now keep hearing story after story of how i went to this guys club and sprred with his students and apparently his comments were " that Dale Wood is nothing special , he sparred with my guys and any one of them could have taken him out at will "....... nice to know youre appreciated !!


Oh and Jag !! ya gonna have to stop pimping out ma mum its getting a little awkward my dads getting suspicious !!

Unpopular kids a school.

Sorry at school.

The first Karate club I went to seemed to be all about the money. Gradings every second week and yet I learnt almost nothing. I'm not sure whether the instructor was bad or just didn't care, but I quickly lost interest when I realised I could be around green belt and still know nothing. I picked the club based on a friends recommendation, but I didn't realise he didn't have a clue what made a good club.

Every kickboxing instructor in the world is a 5 times world champion.

Get over it and stop being jealous. They are all the best. All we need is to have the best actually fight each other in a super masters league and find out which of the world champions should be intergalactic champions.

Some times a little hype. Some times down right lies. Some talk big some have the balls to make it all up.

Mostly its sickening and makes me want to have nothing to do with something I love.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. They may tell you they've done this and done that, everyone is a world champion nowadays. See what their students are like. They're probably useless, lol.

There are a lot of 'champion' fighters that run schools around here, and i've spent quite a lot of time with former students of these trainers, fixing their lack of quality instruction.

The moral of the story is, dont believe it till you see it....

Hey Scotty "ya can't bullshit a bullshita mate".
Hope ya got home safe.

Just a question, Does it matter if the trainer is a world champ or not? I mean fair enough he has to have a fair level of expertise, but in other sports coaches or what not might be training a world champ even though they may never have reached that level themselves. If so why do trainers and students have to make out that their club, trainer, students are the best? Answer because they spend to much time showboating rather than respecting themselves, their trainer and fellow students and practioners. Enjoy live, train hard and be open to all aspects of learning.

Just a question, Does it matter if the trainer is a world champ or not? I mean fair enough he has to have a fair level of expertise, but in other sports coaches or what not might be training a world champ even though they may never have reached that level themselves. If so why do trainers and students have to make out that their club, trainer, students are the best? Answer because they spend to much time showboating rather than respecting themselves, their trainer and fellow students and practioners. Enjoy live, train hard and be open to all aspects of learning.

I would almost look for one that isn't..

My Super Sensei, played marbles with Bruce Lee when he was twelve, Saw a picture of Mas Oyama at his local Japanese Sushi house and has luandered the jock strap of Mrs Jane Yamaguchi, Distant cousin of the son of Goshin Yamaguchi (sorry about spelling), and watched a seminar by Arjun Chai Surisite through the window of his local gym (he was trying to find the window to the ladies changing room.

Therefore by a process of osmosis and delusional association he has declared himself Hyper Master of his own martial art "Fu Lof Shi To Kai" , for those of you who are interested the website is:

www.jeanclaudevandammeisarealfighter.com

or the sister site: www.brownundiesinarealstreetfight.co.nz

Rank is decided by Sequined G String worn out side of your G Pants (because we all know G(ee) strings hold up G(ee) pants its and ancient Japanese Traditional that orginated in Bangkok, China.

OSU!

Only 5 time world champ????... man there are some slackers out there... lol

hahaha this is a great topic highlander. there are so many guys out there that say these things.
I even had one turn up at the club ad tell me how he has beaten rex redden. then I said thats strange cos i am rex redden!haha he ran really fast!

I now train in the deadly art of "Deep sleepy couch watching TV" taught by Grand Master Flash of the Seven Pillows. He told me he has knocked out everyone who posts on Ax & if I didn't believe him, he would knock me out too.

Yeah, everyone's a world champ in their own minds eh? I knew a girl at school who swore her brother was a world champ kickboxer. I'd been in the sport for a good 4 years at the time and was quite certain it was pure lies. Turns out he was just training in this modified karate class for a few months and had never even fought once. Not ONCE. Hilarious!!! Just one of many instances of false claims to fame.

At least here in NZ we have a real close community of Thai Boxers so we all pretty much know each other anyway. Fraudsters beware!

I think it will always happen. Unfortunate but a sad fact of life. Everyone wants to be like us :P

It's the "Blah Blah Blah" effect that most Bona fide instructors suffer from. For many students it is not their fault. They are looking for someone to respect and look up to and know no different when they are fed this bullshit. The amount of times I have had someone come into my shop saying that they do Thai and then head for the full contact trouser section etc etc.
I have no problem with the shitters unless it affects me and my club really.

One little problem I have is people who have been training with me for two weeks or may be not at all, getting into scrapes and telling people that they are "From the Bulldog and will be back with a team". Then I spend the next few days getting calls from concerned clubs / pubs or even the police wanting to know the crack. My response is always the same - We don't do gang fights and drunken beatings & we don't make threats. Anyone who pretends they are with us will recieve no protection from us, it's not what we are about.

You are right, it is bullshit from all angles. Insecure instructors with no track record, making one up. Insecure students trying to be part of a respected crew, jealous instructors trying to bring you down. BLAH BLAH BLAH.
The quality will always shine through, so fuck 'em

Its sad and it does effect the sport and the real champs etc...

A mate told me that he met this guy who said he had punched this machine that measures punching power and was then told he was not allowed to enter any fight tournaments! I laughed my ass off.

Oops, should have added that it was because his punch was too hard.LOL

LOL that is a good one.

I hate talking about MuayThai with people who don't know what it is. I'd rather say I was a boxer than all the MA bs that surounds everything. People go on about how they know this guy that can kill someone with one touch or start thinking you do TKD tournies or something...or worse, they think you wear clown shoes LOL just kidding...

whoa! whoa! whoa!....... you.....dont wear clown shoes??!?!?! peeeeesht, you gotta be one of those fake guys! (just playin)

It's funny, when I first started in kickboxing, I would believe these people. I would honestly sit there for hours and listen to how so and so was the greatest fighter of all time because he trained in Korea with the worlds greatest master. After a while though you figure out that EVERYONE is the worlds toughest man and us actual fighters are just mere mortals.

actual fighters are just mortals.. hehe yep I like that. Save all the superhero stuff for MA. Fighers are just fighters. Like it or don't.

Hang on a minute guys...

I have been teaching for nearly 20 years and I have always listened to my students. Do you mean that they are all talking bullshit and I really cannot maim someone with my stare or kill them with a single touch?

Damn, I better not go out at the weekends any more until I have perfected my killer stare!

Aw well at least I know that I can always use my "Human Being" bullshit to talk my way out of a fight! :)

The scary thing is, that we have all met guys who have never even been close to a ring let alone claimed to WHO FLUNG DUNG MASTER POOH, and they could spank the living pants off of most of us in a real street confrontation.

Forget the hype and get back to the gym minding your own business I say, mind you funniest thing I ever saw was a guy who believed his own hype, said he was a kickboxer who had won in Thailand, Japan and Europe as well as being a professional sparring partner for Pernell Whiticker in the States, only problem was he spent all his time looking at himself in the mirror and straightenting his hair at the gym (we let him train out of sympathy initially) anyway he decided to prance around the local Hells Angel watering hole and take on the toughest guy in the pub .....

One punch later, he had been K_'d by a 60 Kilo kid with braces and a mohawk and we all felt just a slight bit of satisafcation - he never turned up at anygyms around town again that we know of - proabley went to holliwood and became a big star

Dude,
I love hearing bull shitters. So many people have an instructor that can tear out someones heart and show to them right before they die.LOL! Freakin love it. The funniest thing is when they tell you the story they always add that their instructor is wanted in some Asian country for killing. LOL! The topper is there is a video of it floating around on the internet.HA!HA!HA!
Laters,
Caro

OK there all the MA bs, theres also alot of kickboxing and MuayThai bs. Hows the SS in this area??

Why do people who teach Kung Fu say they teach kickboxing.

Why do people who teach Kickboxing say they teach Muay Thai

Why do people bullshit about who they have trained how many champions etc.

I think at the end of the day these people are insecure & know in there heart of hearts they are lifes loosers but cant live with it.

Be who you are teach what you teach train who you have trained i think you will be alot more happier in life in the long run

It takes away from those of us who really have trained in Muay Thai for 35 years, had 300 fights and know how to kill with a single blow.
It makes me think that all the years that I spent learning those secret ninja death blows in Japan and sparring with Bruce Lee were a waste of time.
I'm glad I lived as a monk in China learning Kung-Fu for 10 years though, that was a laugh.

lol mr smith

You guys all know F*ck all!!!!!

I was trained by the one and only master.....Mr Miyagi!!!

I am now a Black Belt, 33rd Dan in Washing Cars and painting houses!!

So dirt and grime should beware!!

FB'Slim

Wax on - F*ck Off !!

MarkL.... i know of one person in the taolu hierarchy down this end of the world who teaches judging classes for SS, took the odd seminar or two for SS, refs SS, knows jack shit about SS..... apparently had one SS fight but cant remember what the out come was!!! Yeah man.... its endemic

i worked in one school in doncaster on supply and some girls were going on and on about
some one from doncaster who is about 17 years old who went to Japan and won
TWO MILLION POUNDS!!!
and apparently hes meant to be pretty big over there :P
now out of the british fighters who have fought in the K-1, not one of them is from doncaster, not one of them is 17,..
and not even ernesto hoost wins 2 million pounds for the K-1 grand prix

i tried to explain to them that there IS no kick/thai club in doncaster, and one of them said "my dad got his black belt in kickboxing" i just laughed and said " was that from kim stones black belt academy? they dont do kickboxing"
they insisted that kim stones academy IS a kickboxing club

then they said that they will send theyre nicky no name mate to come and beat me up :p



later on i found out that there is a doncaster lad called Daniel Ball who is 17, and he didnt fight in japan but he fought in a semi contact points fight in cheltenham in the -65kg divison
hmmm sounds like K-1 material to me

i got chatitng to this odler couple at the clinic once,... and the subject of kickboxing came up
so they said to me do you know "Glynn Wood " from sheffield?
i said nope never heard of him
they said " ooh hes 19 stone! and he fights for england!"
soudns like another un known K-1 hero!

it seems to me that everyones next door neighbour/ cousin / sisters Boyfreind / local hero
1. is THE world champion
2. fights for england
3. will kick youre ass
4. fights in some underground unheard of secreat death match in hong kong :P

I was taught by a ancient buddhist monk who was Jet Li's cousin on the mountains of never neverland I could kill you with a chopstick. Some of these bullshitters make the iraqi information minister look truthful

Baz: what you got against the Iraqi Information minister man?
Hes :(to jimmy round Farhads posting)
1. THE world champion
2. fights for freedom, liberty and the Iraqi way
3. will kick your ass
4. regularly fights in an underground secret death match in Dubai..... and has only lost once

... or was that Unca Bob?

I can honestly say this is probably the funniest topic i've ever talked about.
1st story.
I was in a car with the preacher and we picked up these girls that were hitchhiking, we were talking to them while driving and he had some training gear in the back they asked him did he do kickboxing so he says yeah and they say Oh really so do we! so he asks them where they do it and they said out at Doonan (The base for Noosa's K6 gym at the time) so he goes that's funny i'm there 6 days a week and i've never seen you.

Moral of the Story: Everyone's a kickboxer/Muay thai fighter... Just Ask them. If you don't know what their name is or you haven't seen them fight at your local show or you don't see them at the gym they're just full of S**T it's really that simple.

2nd story.
This dickhead shoves past bruce on the street and bruce says excuse me being polite as he is. And he said be more careful to the guy. The turns around and arcs up at him walks at him to push back past the other way. He gets pushed over into a nearby garden, no harm no foul just a rude little turd. His mate leaps to his defence leg kicks bruce from behind Bruce turns around in shock like it was almost amusing. The guy trys out a push kick which sort of misses Bruce is still dumbfounded that it was even happening, moves in grabs the guy by the head (who is furiously throwing punches in the general direction of his face) Bruces pulls his head down knees him twice neutralises him lets him calm down then tells him to piss off before he gets himself hurt. (this all happened in the space of ten seconds) Now the guys still running around town telling everyone about the time he went toe to toe with Bruce macfie and that he's not so tough.

Moral two.
There's always more to it than that.

then theres all the instructors in my home town who say
Farhad? yeah sure! he learned his trade from me!

was'nt gonna get into the story thing but....... while this topic has been going on I have had the experience.

Went to a club on the lash with an Instructor from another club (old friend). In my club I have Janine Davis (world rated, world champion, depending on who you talk to!). He has Lita Palmer (British champion). We had some of the guys with us and consequently a few girls latched on and started talking about Kick/Thai boxing.
One in particular started talking to my friend and said that she was the best Kickboxer in the area and was fighting Lita Palmer in a couple of weeks on the local show (my show, that is). She obviously did'nt know who we were so (being intoxicated) we went with it and let her talk.
"Yeah, I'm unbeaten and they are all avoiding me but I'm gonna knock Palmer out and then I'm coming for Davis. It's all set up and they are all running scared". Unfortunately she was with a group of people from my bank and we didnt wanna play up......but we had too. everyone around seemed to believe her so we started to ask questions pretending to be interested.
"Who have you fought"?
"I can't remember their names I stopped them all so quick"

"Who is your trainer"?
"It's Mike someone"

"So you have had many fights under this guy but you don't know his name.Who makes your fights"?

"Carl Sams" (that'll be me then)

"Where do you train"?
"Ashdown" (that'll be my friends gym then, where lita palmer trains)/

This all went on for some time and as she started to cotton on that the game was up, she got shitty and complained that we were pestering her.

LOL. knew the management, no problem but left anyway. Still can't find out where she is from or who she is but had a great evening on it.
Chop Soky soppy bollox. The world is full of them!

Of course I don't actually train at a club. my sensei is Grand Master Bob, sole inheritor of the Bichu Salap style from tibet and only teaches personally selected students (in his garage at $100 a lesson). Prior to the destruction of the Shaolin Temple the last grand master went on a pilgramage to tibet and so was absent during the massacre. Bichu Salap is the only style to preserve the full secret teachings of the Shaolin Monks. Grand Master Bob studied the style for 50 years after meeting a mysterious asian man at the supermarket who passed the tradition onto him and only him. He has also travelled asia extensively and beaten all of the top Karate,Kung fu and Muay Thai fighters but had to flee in fear of his life because the asian masters were angry at a foreigner disgracing them. You won't find any record of it because they destroyed the evidence to protect their own style. Bruce Lee actually studied under Grand Master Bob and learned the hidden secrets of the Dim Mak death touch. Of course I could not possibly spar with you as my techniques are far too deadly would maim or kill you.

higlander i know what your talking about i have come across these types of idiots before when i did my first class of kyokushin the instructor asked me what style i have done before and i said muay-thai so later on in the lesson he made people group off with a sparring partener and he said to me you can spar with me he told me thaiboxing was no good and that kyokushin is better because mas oyama could KO bulls so i spared him and he had this really wide stance so i leg kicked him and he got angry and sweeped me to the florr when i got up he tried to ax kick me and missed i threw a head kick and he blocked it with an open hand and it dislocated his thumb and he got the shits and was imbarassed in front of his students.
Then when i went back the next time he would try to single me out and make
a fool out of me he tryed to show me his way of getting out of a bear hug man it was sad. so i never went back he was just in it for the money i think and to try and prove that he could be hardcore.

a movice who trained with another club near me went to a karate club, was asked if he had done any martial arts , yeh a little muay thai , and like above he was singled out by the instructor for "sparring " first he was swept to the floor , fair enough the guy though then the instructor trys a mawashygeri( spelling) the guy catches it easily turns and whacks the instructor with a reverse elbow leaving a nice bruise and a cut below his left eye,


the guy was livid

it was an "i'll just get my coat moment"

lovely

I think some martial arts gyms tend to be a bit more arsey than the thai, kickboxing and boxing gyms/camps because our techniques are battle tested by hard sparring theres too many of these martial arts bullshitters who have never had a fight in their lives. In the real world you need to fight to get used to getting hit otherwise the first time you have a proper fight your system goes into shock at getting a good dig. I think theres a lot of resentment about thai in tradtional martial arts because its so effective and relatively easy to learn compared to some of these martial arts systems that take a lifetime to master.

Still it would be nice to do kung fu and be as good as Jet Li and be able to beat 12 people at once. Matman has Grand Master Bob got place for a spare student in his garage.?

Hi Farhad,

There is kickboxing taught in Doncaster, together with his main arts of ju-jitsu and BJJ by my mate Paul Murphy, and he's well qualified to teach. But he wouldn't go about saying falsities - he doesn't have to, and he's a really friendly, humble, top fella! So not all clubs in Doncaster are bad!



When I hear these stories, I just laugh! What goes around comes around, and every bullsh*tter will get their comeuppance....

I even once had someone in a nightclub, deadly serious, that he personal trained with Gary Turner twice a week, and that Gary was so hard he could take out anyone on the street! I pointed out that Gary hasn't actually had more than one or two street incidents of note, and was a sportsman not a street fighter, also that at that time I didn't think Gary was teaching personal training...only to be met by derision and comments that I must be jealous of Gary's ability!! So I chuckled and brought out my business card.....only to be told that I had made it up!

Class! Boy did I laugh!

Leg end in my own lunchtime!

Lol!

Goes around comes around....

Smiler

Hahahahhaha

This is to be quoted, put in a frame and transformed into an icon. "Meet with (the distorted image of) yourself as "the" challenge of being a top sportsman". Next is to see Ernesto Hoost teaching Myagi san stuff to a crop of kung fu wannabees, Le Banner brushing with the towel a guy with a fat excess problem and Bonjaski teaching speed abilities to guys in the class "old enough to be slow, fast enough to make a business of this".

Although it must be pointed out that in my experience it has been the students doing the bull, and not the instructors or gyms....

Smiler

smielr thats true or the groupies!
smiler can you tell me more about Paul murhpy?
will he accpet a humble apprentice?

saw the funniest thing in the employment section of my local paper. there was a job advertised to be a martial arts instructor...stating that no experience was needed and that they would be fully trained to teach!

That's Go Kan Ryu or fondly known as diet karate! Dont laugh - the organisation has a turnover of something like 20 million Australian dollars a year teaching crap but they get the numbers through the door cause of their door to door sales Just shows throw some shit on a canvas and some idiot will think its a painting and pay top dollar for it!

Hi Farhad,

Go to www.sfuk.net, go on the forum, and post a shout out for Murph to give you a mail, and I'm sure he will. He has a good student base, and is proactive, getting loads of guest instructors and stuff to give seminars etc...

He's a top fella!

But get him away from kareoke (?) machines - man, his Elvis is too good!

Smiler

I did a bit of Aikido years ago in London. The instructor would shout out Japanese terms and get insenced when the beginners (including myself) did not understand what he was saying- he would not explain it either. He would them tell us that we had to thank our partners in Japanese before and after working techiniques with them. He would just say "you have to say 'blahblahblah'" and expect us to instantly be fluent in Japanese and got pissed of when we were not able to recall the sentence.

My Japanese girlfriend at the time came to watch once and she said that she did not even realise he was trying to speak Japanese until I told her. He was either just making it up or his pronounciation was totally ineligible.

I quit his club after hearing him tell too many stories about him catching live-blade swords while sitting blindfolded, having 360 degree vision and being able to change another person's body temperature by just looking at them. The icing on the cake was him telling me that his 4th dan meant he was an official modern day samurai.

satankid theres a lot of fruitcakes around isnt there,
smiler thanx for youre help

hmm a story that some in nz will know about but based on the fact he is now a millionaire in thailand and maybe still training peter aerts may not be believe is a guy who around 15 yr ago had a school who were apparently tougher and more dangerous than the new zealand SAS and did demonstrations where they would all sit and bang their heads against bricks, now at the time as we all know "sifu" is a respectful acknowledgment of "master" in chinese well he called himself "SUFI" lol and related how he went to teh shaolin monks in china who refused to train a westerner an he waited for months outside the gates untill they took pity on him and trained him in the secret arts of shaolin.The poor guys i saw in his school believed him an obviously kept banging their heads against those bricks...now he had a unlawful weapons charge bought against him an the years he claimed to be in china well the discrepancy was he had a few unpaid speeding tickets an parking fines in those times which he had signed for...now my point is if you are gonna steal from a classic movie like " the thirteenth chambers of shaolin" you would at least learn more than banging your head against bricks...you could always recognise his students around Auckland city cus they were the guys who had little bits of skin missing from their foreheads from the head banging lol.

didnt he also make one of his students swim across the manukau harbour while shooting at him? or was that one of those stories that got bigger as time went on

possible bullshitter im not sure , he maybe the real thing

has anyone herd of a kung fu guy called Master Danny khalid

i stopped believing in masters with the tooth fairy :P

Try these lads - www.yellowbamboo.com

Hilarious.

They've been accused of having people hidden in the bushes shooting tazer guns at their opponents.

I find that easier to believe than that they can stop someone with the force of their minds alone.

Do we get a free set of Ginsu knives once weve signed up? And the complete set of remastered Carpenters cds as a special introductory offer?

*shakes head and sighs*

yes mark that was him he made his students swim across manukau harbour while shooting a gun over his head ala why he was charged with unlawful gun charges SUFI MCINNIS i believe his name was lol threw aerrible spinning back kick in the ring which missed by 2 metres at a fighter who dissed him lol i believe he called is a " spinning blade kick" lol has neevr fought in the ring but he was always introduced as the guy who defeated "J J CHAPMAN IN Florida " NOW NO ONE EVER ASKED "who the f..k is JJ CHAPMAN" lol but his students bought it .

hey theres one semi contact points fighting instructor in my town
he found out that im teaching kickboxing not far form him and taking his "chunk of the market"
so he decided to slag me off to everyone he meets.

There was one time ifought in a light contact event (light continuous)
i was drawn up against one of his students

and everytime i hit this guy, his head jolted back,... and i was told to power down so i did!
now i had to throw my kicks half power for fear of beign penalised,...
so this guy,... he decided to grab my leg and throw me on the floor,...
then while i was on the floor,.. he hit me in the head a few times while i was on the floor!!!
bear in mind this is Light continuous wehre you cant even KO let alone leg kick let alone grab legs!!!

eventually,... the bout was a DRAW thats after one round of 1 min 30 secs(sad but true! and these guys call THAT a fight!)

then we did an extra 30 secs

during that time i was still told to keep it light and he played the same "grab the leg and cheat" tactic,...
so i thought right then take that!
and i grabbed him and kneeed him in the chest and DROPPED HIM!!!
HA!
he went crying to the refs like a big girls blouse and said " he used his knee"(even toh he cheated anyway) what a dick right?

i was penalised one point which gave him the extra 30 secs by split decision yep split decision even after the penatly point!

during that extra 30 secs(yes 30 secs!)

Well when this instructor, Adrian Abdullah is his name was asked if he has heard of mne he said

"ive know Farhad, my student knocked him out"

1. his student didnt knock me out, it wasnt even a full contact fight!
2. it went an extra round and it was ME who told to power down !
3. he cheated in that fight anyway , which he had the chance to do with me powered down i.e. taking it light and STILL hurting him with my light punches!
4. even then it was a split decision!

Now this Adrian guy must have his head in the clouds if he thinks that his student "knocked me out"
even tho it was HIS glass jawed chicken hearted student who hit the deck and cried to the ref like a big girls blouse, and his student who couldnt take my left jab !

Myself i would be ASHAMED to win in such a way i.e. win because i cant take my opponents punches!

LOL!!!!

Adrian also said "farhads moves didnt work"
yeah my moves didnt work coz they were too powerful for pussies who cant even take a light jab!

To top it all off,...
Adrian advertises his system as Chinese kickboxing and says in his adverts "learn to fight in semi contact and continuous sparring"

Chinese kickboxing ? isnt that san shou?
San shou has never been semi !!!
LOL!!!

Hell i knowwhat ill do :P

ill challenege some hard bastard like Ernesto Hoost under light contact rules :P
then drop to the floor after taking one punch and then say
"i knocked hoost out!" and "his moves didnt work"

LOL!!!

Berzerker - If Go Kan Ryu doesn't fit this thread then nothing does. I had a friend who worked for them. After no previous MA training he had a couple of months training and then was given a black 'instructors belt' and able to teach classes! I went along to one of their instructors classes for a look one time and it was scary - same skill level as your average beginners class! They do door to door sales and while it's not multi level marketing it has all the trappings of that type of thing - attend the seminar, buy the book/tape etc. They do make truckloads of money though!

Baz - You have been personally selected to be a disciple of Grand Master Bob. It will cost you $150 an hour but Grand Master Bob is not in it for the money you understand - it's just important that you demonstrate your willingness to sacrifice for the art.

Matman I'm honoured mate, does mater bob accept cheques

Go Kan Ryu?
i once met a Go kan ryu (GKR) student who was telling me how someone down the street had made his own style up!
talk about the pot calling the kettle!!!

hey the latest,...
another lau gar student was saying that semi contact is "full contact" really and that semi and full are the same thing really :P

What a plonker

the guys that used to call themselves lau gar up here are now doing "southern chinese kickboxing". and were advertising in national press that they were recognised by all other martial artists as the best form of self defence.
yeh right!!

southern chinese kickboxing eh?
a system that was made up in the kitchen in birimingham :)
with the help of a karateka called mike haig,.....

one of my students was chatting up a girl in a club and he said
"every month on the 1st monday,.. me and Farhad met up in a back alley somewhere in farhads ghetto and we have a fight!"

he also told ehr that only farhads "special; students" are chsoen for such strange male bonding behaviour.

Wierd eh?

I met that girl when she eventyually took up kickboxing and i was just confused about the whole thing.

Sounds like something out of fight club maybe you could make your own fight club and call it farhad club. "first rule about farhad club, noone talks about farhad club.''

sounds like it too
LOL!!!
that guy lokked nothing like brad pitt tho :P

I've been running my gym for a few years now, but sometimes ago the caretaker asked me if I don't mind if another person wish hire the gym on Friday and the weekend. I said who? He said it some Karate guy who goes to the same church. I said, I can't see any harm in it, as long as they (him & his students) don't wreck my equipments (pads etc.) I didn't feel threat because I assumed he only wanted to use the place to practice his katas etc.

At the time, apart from old fighting posters at the gym, I didn't have any brochures about myself and our gym's achievements and history, because everyone at the area knows. I think this guy has just moved in from UK or USA where he learned his Karate (but he is a New Zealander).

But first, let me describe you where our gym is to give you a fair idea. Our gym is situated at a dead end street, behind a church. A separate building behind downstairs. Very concealed that most people have to look for it twice before they actually find it. Obviously this guy has been advertising it at the Auckland University and obviously scored some followers. The first week he was there, I found flyers advertising it around my gym, so that my students can not miss it. There flyers and ripped off pieces of paper with his contacts offering for free classes etc. Of course I have never went to the gym during his classes, as I don't want him to think I was spying on him to know who train with him. Anyway, I looked at it (brochures) and said, geez what a good idea. I think I should do one. I did photos of our champions (Ray Sefo and few others) put the gym history and made brochures and than put it on the front desk when new people comes in. Before long, I started noticed a few guys trying out classes from Karate background and almost joined immediately. Only a few months after he opened his classes at my gym, he had to closed. I found out later that a lot of my students were from his karate class. I have this policy that if I find someone who is from another school or style, I always advice him/her to let his/her instructor know that he/she is also training with me. I think he tried to steel my students but backed fired. I found out late also that a couple of my students actully tried out a free class, but never joined.

Ooooh Yesss! I have a few to tell but one at the time.
I've been blacked mail once...LOL! Man it was funny.

One time I was running a show and had to collect ticket money from this local martial art instructor. He sold lots of tickets to his students and a couple of VIP tables. He rang me up asked me to come over to his house to pick up the cheque. I went over and he was doing a private one-on-one training session with a student at his garage. He met me cheerfully as though he knew me all his life. Than out of the blue, he said to me in front of his student...."Remeber when we used to fight the Thais in Asia" blah! blah! blah1!?? , making sure he studnet heard him.

I just want you to know tha, firstly I only fought Thais here in New Zealand...second I have never seen him fight, let alone fighting kick boxing at the same card or tour together to Asia...LOL! He was saying this while he was writing a cheque of about $2,000...LOL! What am I supposed to say to him in front of his PT student who is probably paying $60 - $100 per session??? Do I call him a BS and make his student walk out of there? I just didn't have the heart, so I just said....We had some fun didn't we? LOL! Funny but true story.

One time I was spotting Ray Sefo doing bench press at a local fitness gym in Auckalnd. I was wearing an old nylon Thai Boxing jacket from Thailand that day. While Ray was struggling to push the weight up as I was encouraing him. This guy walked in and asked me if I do Thai Boxing (because of the jacket). I said to him that I do a bit. Straight away, he said, if you really want to learn, you should go and check out my instructor's gym. I said oh yeah?, what's his name. He said his name is Lollo and his cousin Ray Sefo trains there...LOL! Poor Ray almost dropped the weight on his chest...LOL! You know when you feel embarrassed for other people when they make an absolute full of themselves? Well...We lost for word....And believe me, Ray does'nt usually lost for word. We just looked at each other in amazement.LOL! We never told him who we were!!

When I first started in martial arts I was duped into believing everything I heard from my instructor and agreed with him as i thought that I would get on better if I did, the thing was he only had to show you some techniques for you to know that he was good but he insisted in bullshitting at every opertunity. He never wore clown shoes, he was a clown shoe.

Been there myself loads of times :P

Good topic!
I used to work niteclub doors, and I'd always get asked, 'What do you do?' (style of martial art) and I used to say i was a retired mud wrestler, so one night a girl decided that wasn't good enough an jabbed me right on the nose!
(I was holding the door open with one hand and smiling my best welcome and enjoy your night smile) It was a good jab, didn't even see it.
BUT I did meet a 4th dan ninja, a brown belt black tips muay thai fighter and a guy whose best mate knew 'Dim Moc' the death touch. LOL I was lucky I survived those days!

hahah Rudy Quality !
ta 4 Sharing !
and Did they mean a Black-Belt-FELT-Tips ?


and Those who say Black belt Muay-Thai hahhahah LOL
Ever seen a Black-Belt around a Pair of thai-Shorts?
dangling between your McThrapper !
No Such Thing as a Black Belt Muay-Thai
Its Japanese etc: For a start

It just gets better


p.s. Im a 10Th dan in Origami BTW
:-p

Hey Lolo - kind of off topic but very relevant to the 'people making a fool of themselves in front of Ray Sefo' thing. My most embarrassing moment (so far) as an interviewer came when I interviewed Ray for IK. I was really nervous but the interview went fine as Ray has had heaps of experience with the media and made it easy for me. Ray wanted to be able to contact me about something related to my work so I gave him my business card. I work for the Tertiary Education Commission but being a NZ Govt. department we also have a Maori name (Te Amorangi Matauranga) which is also on our card - but at that stage we had just had a name change and got new business cards so I forgot it was on there. Ray looked at my card and says "how do you pronounce this?". I was really confused - I was thinking - "Ray's an intelligent and articulate guy - how come he wants to know how pronounce Tertiary Education Commission?", I hesitated and so he asked again and, still really confused I was like "uh... Ter-tiary Ed- u-cation com- mish -on"!!! What a dork!!! I didn't realise until I had already left! I've never been able to look him in the eye since! (Ray if you read this - I'm sorry!!)

I have never told anyone that story and now the whole Ax world knows my shame!LOL

Lollo, haha I remember you telling me about that years ago. It's still so damn funny!! I nearly posted the story a while back, but thought I'd leave it to you. I would have loved to see it happen.LOL.

matman, it takes a big man to admit something like that, I won't tell anyone....promise(LOL).

Lollo I know who you're talking about [the cheque guy]. One good thing may have come out of it, I was inspired to learn some of the stuff he was teaching but not from him, so I came to you instead.

At my uni the chairman of the TKD club last year was a real tool!

I didnt know who he was at first but i met him socially, and he was going on about how great he was i.e. that hes a british TKD champion and that hes a black belt in thai boxing
I asked him where he did his thai boxing, he said he was taught by a guy called "wayne" at the Black Country Combat Academy (which is a FC club run by ex euro champion mick wolohan) in dudley near birmingham

i invited him to come down and do some sparring with us and he just laffed so i assumed he MUST be shit hot.

Black belt in thai boxing????
i didnt realise until later that he was talking shite!

later on i was at a boxing gym and got chatting to a young boxer who was at the univeristy
he was basically saying what a bag of shite he thought the TKD club there was i.e. not nmuch of a contact sport ( bear in mind that this "boxer" doesnt really spar let alone compete anyway)and that they do mostly katas,..etc.

I asked him "why dont you try the KB club there?"
he said " ive heard its not a very good club, theyre all beginners and theyre taught by a small skinny asian kid"
i said "taught by a small skinny asian kid? tell me more"
he said " ive got a mate called phil whose been down there and sparred with them and roughed them all up"
i said " ginger phil?" he said NO, i said " ahh phil who plays Golf as a pro?"
he said No chance! not this guy
later on i asked around and it turns out that this "phil" guy turns out to be the guy who claims to be a "black belt in thai boxing"

oh it might be worth mentioning that the KB club at our uni has more TKD black belts than the uni's TKD club itself! and that the current chairman of the TKD club trains with us but only acts as chairman for his own club (but doesnt really train there)

Eventually i put the word out on the street that im not happy with phil and the shit he is talking and i will soon mention this to him.

Finally got to meet phil:
i asked him who he is he says " oh im phil, ive seen you a couple of times before" i said " you never turned up to our club in youre life or i would have nopticed you" i then confront him about this and about referring to me as a small skinny asian kid he denies all knowledge of it and then goes and complains to the sports centre manager that i threatened him!!!

Again hes a total coward and a complete TOOL!!!

My TKD instructor claimed he battered 3 guys, and reported himself to the police who claimed that they thought the guys had been in a car crash.

How many times do you hear " you do martial arts, better stay away from you then" as if you are just itching to harm anyone you meet or can you run up walls and throw 60 kicks in the air before you land (not unless you are on a wire in a Hong kong movie set).

Farhad, are you a small asian kid?

im asian but not small
im 5'11" (same height as gary turner!)

101!

102

:-p

and heres me thinkin sandy couldn't count past twenty without takin his shoes of and droppin his kecks!!

that would make it "21" and plus 7"
if your counting ?
And u cumin 2 seminar Big-Little boy?
:-p

Way 2 busy small chap, got show to arrange + got my boys at the weekend, i would need a babysitter,
(not divorced, wife works weekends, i work during the week)

stevie

There was one time i was in a pub , and at the time i sued to train at Bradford Kickboxing Club with the one and only mumtaz shaffi.
There was this black guy who i was introduced to socially a girl i knew said he was into all that "hong kong fooey stuff"

He said " i teach kickboxing at the university" at the time tho, the 2 kickboxing trainers were Darren Holroyd and Clair Mckim
so i replied that it was them 2 who taught KB at the uni.

His reply to that was "ahh but you were there from 7 till 8, im there from 9 till 10 which is my Freestyle session" and then said "aah you see?" which turned out to be his favourite line.

Later on he told me its thaiboxing also known as "Moy-Lei-Thai" is his speciality and that he holds "grade 5 " in "moi-lei-Thai" (is that how you spell it?)

He told me stoires on how he trained in Korea (???) and how the temperature and the koreans training methods were really harsh :P

Funnily enuff it turns out that he wasnt technically or athletically that bad, but you could tell that his lineage was a little bit ssupect and he claimed his record was " 7 tournaments and 6 separate bouts"

interesting,... but to the unsuspecting public even those who had trained b4, he would have been able to blag it a bit.
He taught as an assitant a few times for me at a small club i started off, and he taught some interesting techniques such as Right body kick followed by left jumping kick ,... they were his "moi-lei thai " special moves.

lol, in NY it's called that Mooley Thai


j/k

i always thought that thai boxers went to thailand and not korea to train :P

Do you suppose he is one of those who trains that Mai Mae Muay Thai, which is supposedly some version of "old school" or "traditional" Muay Thai whose name is bandied about? (Pre-ring rules Muay Thai).

And Luk mai
And Mae Maid

Hey
Mr StarBrookes how goes it?
You need a Suzuki Starbugs /Brookes mobile ! Tell em !
:-p

proilly is even tho his technique wqas a mish mash of KB/TKD and a bit of kung fu thrown in :P

and yeah sure they go to korea to learn moi-lei-thai :P

when i was a student in bradford for a year, i used to go to a boxercise class for extra fitness training every wednesday.
While i was there, i asked the guys running the class (who were a pro boxer and a pro boxing trainer ) if i could take my shoes off and kick the bags a bit, they were cool with it.

I could see at the bag next to me a girl who seemed like she was a real raw novice kicking the bag i assumed she may have done some martial art b4 prolly not KB or MT but something else cuz she didnt have much of a boxers guard and was not throwing the thaiu style kick or anything.

So i asked her " what mnartial art have you done b4?"
she said " oh im a thai boxer and i like to use my knees and elbows and i dont go to that KB class here coz everything i do is wrong to them" so i thought " not surprised! everything she does would be wrong anywhere!" so i asked her "thaiboxer eh?" how many fights have you had? she said "2" so i asked oh yeah? how did you go on? she replied " Yes, i passed" with a certain lack of confidence in her tone of voice :P

yes i passed???
whats all that about?

That's soooo funnnyyy Fahrad: "I passed", what on earth...

I was at a "fitness kickboxing" seminar one time and all the people but three of us there were regular martial artists (no offense). When they started moving around and doing their little aerobic step moves I got all messed up. People were looking at me like I was retarded!!! They were moving away from me cause I was throwing them off out of their rythm LOL. Afterwards some came up to me and asked if I had trained any kickboxing before! They all were the ones that were weird and stuff, NOT ME. I felt like I was in the twilight zone. Me and two other guys were the only ones wearing thaiboxing shorts, people asked me: "what's with the funny shorts?" UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

you should ask them for a spar :P
then kick shit out of them really bad :P

yeah dicks like that make me sick!

I knew this bloke who had done Karate for years. However, he had only been in 2 real fight situations before- one where he got beaten up outside a club by a group and the other where he was part of a group beating someone else up in a pub.

I didn't see him for a while, after I kind of fell out with him. Then his picture turns up in the local paper along with an article. He was putting on 'street survival' lessons for women and was touting himself as a 'street self-protection expert'. It said that he was teaching defense from knife attacks among other things and that he was 'highly experienced' in street fighting and so forth. There were pictures of women, in his classes, wrestling knives off of him and everything.

I laughed my a$$ off until a fiend of mine said she was planning on going and I had to explain to her that his bu11sh1t was potentially dangerous.

theres only one problem with exposing these dicks,... if you try to wanr ppl,. then ppl assume that YOU are the one who is jealous and they are the genuine article !!!
im bloody serious!!!
like for example the story aforementioned about the 17 yr old points fighter whose fans went round talking about how hes the next big thing in K-1 in japan!!! and how he won 2 million british pounds!!!
£2million for playing tag?
stupid public thats what i blame it on

ok now i was working in a nursery school at one point a few years ago and one girl was going on about her pal who is a "self defence expert" i said "wow thats cool it would be great to meet her"
i finally got to meet ehr and asked her about ehr self defence training and the first thing she said was basically how shes into "reality trainign not that martial arts bullshit" so i thought great sounds l;ike she knows ehr stuff so i asked her what kind of reality training they do.
so she then started going on about how she gets her students to do tai chi exercises and she started going on about "elements" wind /earth/fire/ice/water/lightning ,...etc

so i said " basically youre a chinese stylist then?" inquisitively so she got offended (dont know why) and said " no we dont do all that rubbish! youre not going to say to an attacker , can i get inot my stance please" so i said "so youre all reality based then? do you do any sparring?" so she said " yes we do some punching on the pads" punching on the pads??? whats that gotta do with sparring?
she basically didnt have a clue what she was on about , so i asked her a few more questions and she said " i teach my students that if they have to stab somebody then do it" (???) then i questioned the actualy reality of her training and she said if you tried to use kickboxing on me id get a pen and stab you in the eey or nose and youd be dead! (the pen is mightier than the sword)
And this woman was teaching nursery kids???
she really did need a shrink!!!
i then asked her what happened if someone got the pen off her!then proceeded to pumm,el ehr with fists and shed never been hit b4?
she reacted with "then id get a gun and POW! save my energy!"
so much for real self defense eh? i asked her how long shed trained to be an instructor she said " almost a year" that answered everything :P

another woman she worked with basically asked ehr what shed do if XYZ would happen (by now shed shown ehrself top be a tool and was being taken the piss out of)
and she reacted size doesnt matter im very fast look at prince naseem she got into a horse stance and started doing some wierd punches and she didnt look like she even KNEW how to punch!!!

Almost a year?! With that much training she could be a GKR grand master!

The sad thing is that should be a "GKR grand master!...making lots of cash teaching in 5 school halls"

I was doing my thai training at my gym and a tae kwon do instructor
from downstairs decided to tell me that I was blocking incorrect .
so he demonstrated how to block a knee strike by crouching putting his head
down with his guard up . I said yeah thanks for the advice ?? If you want to get knocked out and your head kneed to oblivion sure thats great . Thats the chinese for you where I live Very narrow minded When it comes to MT .They still think that ther little tap slap kicks are where its at . Next time he tells me Im doing some thing wrong Im going to flying knee him in the head . It gets me pretty wound up .

lol hahaah

Do it n8dog, do it.

one guy i chatted to i asked him what was the most effective martial art he had done
he said TKD
i said TKD or shotokan karate
he said karate fight semi , TKD fight ful contact (in hogu etc,..)
i said TKD or KB,.... he said TKD will defeat ANY style of KB becoz KB is a sport and TKD are killing techniques :P

GKR, unfortunately, is rife in the UK

yeah and its not even a proper karate system !!!

Geeeeee!!!
Have'nt looked at this topic i started for ages.
Sounds like there are heaps of Martial Arts Bull-shitters out there.
Interesting to see the same Named Styles comming up all the time as bull-shitters

maybe GKR needs its own thread :P

aye along with southern chinese kickboxing

southern chinese kickboxing?
like lau gar you mean?
ha ha ha load of bollocks inst it :P

yeh they changed from Lua Gar to southern chinese kickboxing a couple o yrs ago up here

Well it's good to see im not the only one that has to put up with bull-shitters

the worst thing is the bullshitters are the ones who seem to be "coining it" and theyre the oens blieved by the public and "were all jealous" so to speak

Another example:
on my travels at a school in shirebrook,a kid got chatting about ninjas,..etc
one kid said " im very good with katana's im a black belt in kickboxing!"
i said "whats katana got to do with KB?"
he said " ahh its freestyle so we do everything" (???)
i questioned what kind of gloves they wear etc,.. and what else they do and this kid was going on about "kobudo" etc,.. and how his instrucotr is not to be messed with coz hes really good at kobudo and katanas and nunchaku,...etc
and how hes a 5th dan and 5 times champion(???)
champion of what?
i basically told him what i thought about what hes done is not tue kickboxing he said " well at least it keeps kids off the street!"

???

Who is Dan Cohen from the UK???

He has just been appointed as head trainer of body combat for the Les Mills Group.
They are advertising him as a Black belt Kickboxer & Lau Gar Chiness Boxer who has won the 1996 british masters Kickboxing championships & also 2nd in the World 1997 kickboxing Championships

Who is this Guy????

checking,....

Never heard of him
WHICH 2nd in world championships?
firstly:
Lau gar is NOT chinese kickbnoxing its bollocks
its a modern system made up in birmingham and disguised as a chiense system
LMAO!!!

Dan cohen if he came 2nd in lau gars tournament id have heard of him , he wasnt on the lau gar squad
as for "body Combat" its one of those taebo type health crazes
i went to one class of it and its very good fitness traning and i asked the instructor what ehr background was,... she said oh its body combat only its a combination of all the "arts" :P
what a crock of shit , she cudnt even throw a decent uppercut
i personally think shed struggle to pass her ,... well shed pass a white belt grading, shed prolly pass a red belt , but shed STRUGGLE to pass a yellow belt in the AFK system :P

They recon he won the british masters kickboxing in 1996 but he is only now 25yrs old, That would have made him only 17yrs old in 1996 but he won the masters event???
Les mills in NZ has just appointed this fruit nut as there head of body combat international.

They have advertised him as holding a black belt in Lau Gar & also in Shotokan Karate & a Qualified Head Teacher with the British Martial Arts Association.
Is this guy for real or is he another FRAUD???

this dan cohen winning a british masters KB championship?
yeah right sounds liek a load of shit

He might hold black belts in shotokan or in lau gar. If he does he shud be happy holding what he holds and NOT bullshit about being this that or the other champion

hey check out that thread kickboxing fakes in youre area :P

Sorry Ive Not heard of him, But then Kick-boxing Isnt The same Over here ! theres a Clear and Distinct Diff:
Ive a Karate Club in my Town called Black-Belt karate-Kick-Boxing?
But wears Belts, and Gis "kick-Boxing" ?
No wonder its a disliked name in the West /( Europe )
Where ? what part of the U.K is he from ?
Maybe do a Topic on here?
AXers will help ya ! no Doubt

whats wrong with belts sandy? you guys do arm bands
gradings are only a good thing.

Anyway i got chatting to an american girl about kickboxing she told me she was doing KB
i was trying to work out what kind of Kb she does coz theres that many.

i asked her if shes had any fights and she mentioend that she has a fight every friday at her gym.i think she meant sparring :P

i asked her what type of kb she did was it FC or MT? she didnt know what the difference was.so i asked her if they fight in long trousers or shorts, her answer was "i wear short pants" but she didnt mean thai shorts :P
so i asked her what rules she fights under she said " the rules that allow me to win"

WTF???

Even worse than that, one kickboxer i met made his excuse for not performing in sparring was becoz he got "sucked off" whilst out walking in the woods on the way to sparring session!

As if that happenes to every kickboxer on the way to sparring!
ive been training for nearly 10 years an NEVER been sucked off on the way to training!
sounds like bullshit to me :P

farhad for 1 it might be because you cant pull birds
secondly u might be 2 ugly
thirdly people cant see you in the woods
hahahahahha

All im gonna say is ....ITS A BLOODY DISGRACE!!!

50 pence youre trying to say that you get sucked off in the woods on the way to training on a regular basis?

on my travels i met a kid at school (a bnit of a chubby lad if you know what i mean)
who claimed to do kung fu.i didnt know any betetr and asked him what its like, and how many belts has he done etc.
he told me he had just taken his white belt i said " wow! wicked!"
i asked him what he had to do for his white belt expecting to know what theyre basics were.
he said he had to run about for 10 minutes, do X amount of press ups,. jump in the air 10 times, do 100 punches ,use the "ninja sword" then he ahd to do the "roundhouse kick"
i asked him what part of the foot you land the roundhouse kick with he said " the heel" ???
i said how is a roundhouse kick done with the heel?
he then attempted to show me a spinning heel kick.
i told him that was not a roundhouse kick and the other kids laffed at him knowing he was a BS'er

so bullshitting even happens at the lowest level

farhad i do noy appreciate your discouragment ,
from my opinion this kid will grow up being obese all because you dissd him infront of another fellow,,
shame on you young man
and yes i do get sucked off in the woods on a regular basis
something which you may never get in life even if you payed for it ,which i think you do hahahahhaa

just for the record...some styles call a spin kick 'a roundhouse kick' like some styles call jab a snap punch. it's just different terminology.

yeah the same way some styles would expect you to do a spin kick for your first grade instead the basics of a roundhouse kick or a front kick?

what next, lets do a jump back kick for the first grade and worry about front kicks,..etc later :P

but i see where youre coming from neil.

one of my students claimed that he saw two SHEEP doing thai boxing
he said the fight was crap as all they did was clinch for the whole fight with stupid grins on their faces!

sounds like a dumb cartoon to me !

now we refer to this guy as "you dumb parrot"

Don't have a pop at Farhad 50 pence, he still remembers his first bj in the woods, he got bad jaw ache!! lol

LOL !!!

there is a kickboxing club at the same
place i teach i went along to watch one night
all i saw was a bunch of people doing karate

i even saw the instuctor pulling down my
flyers and puting thers up in place of mine

i have never seen them spar or do pad work
and thay call themself kickboxers looks
like shotokhan karate to me what a joke

am not slaging karate its just why pass ure
club as kickboxing when all you teach is
modifide karate

nice 1 JD ,, that just made me crack up sp bad ,, classic ,,,, i can see farhad beeing abused as a child .,. lol hahaha

craigtabor,....
that really pisses me off!

me to farhad but a lot of people do it
to some it's just a money spiner and i
dont like to see people get ripped off

worse than that it gives ppl like myself who actually DO padwork and sparring etc,...
look like dicks!

cragitabor?
are you John Craig from scotland?

Thats why so many Of Us Dislike the Generic Word KICKBOXING

no am craig tabor from scotland
i train and teach under john ob'rien
from the s.t.b.a.

ahh got ya craig
sandy summed it up all in one
its all those bullshiutters fault!
i think we shud all walk into these clubs and play "TEK-WOON" like in the old bruce lee movies

ahaha LoL From the `Woo Hoo Hung Warr Kooooong Fu Institute` !

i met one mechanic from south africa
he told me he hwas a pro boxer
i was very impressed and asked him what his record was....
he said
in my last fight i got a 6
and in the fight before that i got a 5

WTF???

he wanst such a good mehacnic either!
he made a mess of my car :P

i met one mechanic from south africa
he told me he hwas a pro boxer
i was very impressed and asked him what his record was....
he said
in my last fight i got a 6
and in the fight before that i got a 5

WTF???

he wanst such a good mehacnic either!
he made a mess of my car :P

have not read all of thread but does zan shin or zen hin karete from "austrailia croP up a lot???THIS IS NO BULSHIT THEY TEACH COMPLETE NOVICES WHO WEAR BLACK BELTS ONE CLASS IN FRONT OF THE NOVICES THEY ARE TEACHING!!!!!!!! i know i went for a job with them

thats what GKR are like :P
gimme their number i think ill have some fun with them :P

woody i know a ganja dealer who went for a job with them
now he has stuck to ganja dealing as its much more honest work

was talkin to one of my studends who came from that kickboxing
club he said that thay suck but i will not name names
but if i ever meat any of you guys i will tell
you will have a laugh

av met guys who clame to be thai boxers
but all thay do is kick boxing whit knees

how can u tell the difference?

no clinch work and no elbows
and no low kicks
plus one of the guys i spoke
to sead he was black belt
1st dan in thai boxing

he had never heard of a
rama muay thai told me he dose
kata before a fight

sounds like a real tool!

black belt in thai boxing?
no such f**ing thing!
red arm band yeah thats cool tho

ahh i went on an instructors course withy the WKA
and there were these "scary" (only thing scary was theyre cellulite LOL)
lookign ladies (who youd shit yourself if they asked you for a date)
they said that theyre martial art is called "CARTEC" (wtf? soudns like a car makign kit!)
they were wearign cycling shorts which shwoed off theyre blubbery cellulite in a big way!
everyone had to show a combo and they did a left jab- right jab (didnt she mean right cross?) - right hook left hook combo

when it came to sparring they said " we dont spar" and they called theyre style " a ladies self defence system"

i cudnt work out what kind of qualifications they had,.. if any
prolly got it on a weekend course

CAR TEC ???
what the hell is that?

the worst thing is that you can become a "kickbox personal trainer" in a wekeend course!!!
from fox fitness!

i saw a pic in the paper of a 15 year old girl who ahd just won a "kickboxing" championship for doing a musical form with a broadsowrd :P

broadsoward sounds like the guy who i know
that dose the nunchaku for his
judo grade what a dick lol

this post has got me thinking that
thay is a lot of phoneys out there
and thay rip people off

true say bruv, and they take away from real ppl who have worked hard for theyre grades,..etc

i actually slept in sheds to take some of my grades when i didnt have an instructor

my niece was chatting to this guy who goes to school with her was telling her about how he does shotokan and TKD

and she said "shotokan is that semi contact?"
he insisted that shotokan was FULL contact!!!

she said "but you stop afetr a point and if you draw blood or KO you get D/Q'd"
he said "not necessarily"

w.t.f.???

he then backedc off by saying
1. i dont do full contact
2. im a student only thick ppl do full contact/boxing/thai
3. i do full contact really youere just not allowed to knock ppl out or ppl would die!!!

after wards he kept going round and round in circles ,..
one minute saying " semi contact is so we dont get injured"
then next hed say " i compete semi but we fight Full in the dojo"
WTF!

go faharad
tell them like
it is
LOL go

craig t

too many cooks spoile the broth
if you under stand scottish slang

every one whants a bite of the cheery

lol craig t

too many cooks spoile the broth
if you under stand scottish slang

every one whants a bite of the cheery

lol craig t